I'm looking for freeway and expressway exits that are signed for residential streets. Ideally, the exit should both indicate and the exit necessarily put you on a two-way street with a speed limit below 50 km/h or 30MPH. This doesn't count exits with "a couple sharp turns" and then a major business or one-way street. No mall, stadium, amusement park, or casino parking lots either.
Would I-75 exit 8 with Towne St/Township Ave (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1840331,-84.4843255,735m/data=!3m1!1e3) count? It's a residential street on both sides of the freeway, but the speed limit is 35 MPH east of I-75 and 25 mph west of it.
I-5 exit 168A in Seattle, to Lakeview Blvd: https://goo.gl/maps/yC6RGSduCGJxhnKs9
SR 520 unnumbered exit in Clyde Hill, to 92nd Ave NE: https://goo.gl/maps/7DG9QrsgkaFMkHnx8
I-90 exit 8 in Mercer Island, to E Mercer Way: https://goo.gl/maps/XaECTRi7pHKXw4G49
And these're just the three I found first.
From my East Bay days, Broadway Terrace (Exit 5A) off CA 13 in the Oakland hills.
https://goo.gl/maps/E3KJvXJy8WpUN5RG7 (https://goo.gl/maps/E3KJvXJy8WpUN5RG7)
Also St. Stephens Drive (Exit 10) off CA 24 in Orinda. It accesses freeway frontage roads with 35 mph speed limits but the area is all very residential (and expensive) and the residential streets are narrow and winding.
https://goo.gl/maps/HUEG61E92ETbEg9P7 (https://goo.gl/maps/HUEG61E92ETbEg9P7)
Quote from: Evan_Th on April 17, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
I-5 exit 168A in Seattle, to Lakeview Blvd: https://goo.gl/maps/yC6RGSduCGJxhnKs9
SR 520 unnumbered exit in Clyde Hill, to 92nd Ave NE: https://goo.gl/maps/7DG9QrsgkaFMkHnx8
I-90 exit 8 in Mercer Island, to E Mercer Way: https://goo.gl/maps/XaECTRi7pHKXw4G49
And these're just the three I found first.
I couldn't verify the speed limit or obvious residences on Lakeview. The exit is advised 45MPH. This looks more like a connecting road or two-way thoroughfare, but local knowledge is king.
Exit 55 on MA 128 in Gloucester empties out into a neighborhood at Crafts Road.
I-5 at N 80th Street in Seattle (25 mph street that is mostly residential): https://goo.gl/maps/oYsp6p17nZH4Gjxn6
The unnumbered exit on DC-295 that's signed only for the River Terrace neighborhood immediately comes to mind.
The first that came to mind for New York is NY 17, exit 68. I think it fits in spirit, but doesn't meet the criteria (it's signed for a through street, albeit a very residential one). Also, this will be tough to find in New York generally, as speed limits below 30mph are uncommon–and where you do find 25mph limits, they'll be substantially no different in character than 30mph zones.
A major exception to the above will be NYC, so maybe that's the place to look. However, the two-way criterion will limit the options there.
Also, if you consider parkways as freeways, then you will find a bunch more examples.
Quote from: empirestate on April 17, 2022, 01:47:42 PM
The first that came to mind for New York is NY 17, exit 68. I think it fits in spirit, but doesn't meet the criteria (it's signed for a through street, albeit a very residential one). Also, this will be tough to find in New York generally, as speed limits below 30mph are uncommon–and where you do find 25mph limits, they'll be substantially no different in character than 30mph zones.
A major exception to the above will be NYC, so maybe that's the place to look. However, the two-way criterion will limit the options there.
Also, if you consider parkways as freeways, then you will find a bunch more examples.
I'm thinking the Dyckman Street exit off of 9A.
Quote from: empirestate on April 17, 2022, 01:47:42 PM
The first that came to mind for New York is NY 17, exit 68. I think it fits in spirit, but doesn't meet the criteria (it's signed for a through street, albeit a very residential one). Also, this will be tough to find in New York generally, as speed limits below 30mph are uncommon–and where you do find 25mph limits, they'll be substantially no different in character than 30mph zones.
A major exception to the above will be NYC, so maybe that's the place to look. However, the two-way criterion will limit the options there.
Also, if you consider parkways as freeways, then you will find a bunch more examples.
Two things:
1) I'm not sure how "parkways" work or are signed. I've not driven in New York State since 1977 nor been on ground transport outside of a New York airport since 1987. If they are limited access, stop sign free, at or near the state maximum speed limit, with at most an occasional signalized intersection, they count. If they fail on two or more of those, then certainly not. We can discuss the matter, if they fail only one of these.
2) I'm expecting this phenomenon to be fairly rare. I think that I know of such places on CASR-1 and US-101, but I'm not sure that my memory is correct (and how closely they fit the description). Monterey and Santa Rosa streets in San Luis Obispo, CA, for instance, exit into a business district that quickly becomes residential. .. and several exits make a few sharp turns as I described, but end up largely as a one-way street. Similar things happen in Monterey, but I haven't driven through or all of or taken anything like every exit in Monterey.
Quote from: michravera on April 17, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
1) I'm not sure how "parkways" work or are signed. I've not driven in New York State since 1977 nor been on ground transport outside of a New York airport since 1987. If they are limited access, stop sign free, at or near the state maximum speed limit, with at most an occasional signalized intersection, they count. If they fail on two or more of those, then certainly not. We can discuss the matter, if they fail only one of these.
Most parkways will meet these criteria. The bigger obstacle then will be speed limits: for example, the Bronx River Parkway (and others) has a bunch of these (https://goo.gl/maps/S4wqpedtKcAD2JxDA) exits, but these streets will all have at least 30mph limits, because that's the lowest areal limit allowed under state law.
This is pretty common around here.
MN 62 at Tracy Ave, 28th Ave, 34th Ave, Bloomington Ave, Portland Ave
I-35W at 46th St, 35th/36th Sts
Quote from: empirestate on April 17, 2022, 01:47:42 PM
Also, this will be tough to find in New York generally, as speed limits below 30mph are uncommon–and where you do find 25mph limits, they'll be substantially no different in character than 30mph zones.
However, you might find a few more if 30 mph is inclusive. Commercial St (East Rochester) would be one such example, although as the name would suggest, it is more commercial than residential.
Pennsylvania seems in theory like a better spot to look for this sort of thing, but they seem to usually use the town name instead of the road name in these cases.
A very rare Nevada example: Bellevue Road (I-580 Exit 12). East of the freeway there's only the parking area with access to the west shore of Washoe Lake (or Washoe Mud Hole when it dries up). Bellevue Road west of the freeway has a 25 mph speed limit as it passes through a neighborhood of ranchettes to connect with US 395 Alternate.
https://goo.gl/maps/cN7VXNsjBmDDYbhj6 (https://goo.gl/maps/cN7VXNsjBmDDYbhj6)
The only one on the Interstate system in West Virginia is the Montrose Drive exit (Exit 56) on I-64 in South Charleston. And that exit functions much differently, as it is intended to serve as the main exit to US-60 east of downtown South Charleston directly serving the huge Dow (formerly Union Carbide) chemical plant. But Montrose Drive was entirely residential before the construction of I-64, and still remains residential south of the Interstate.
Dearborn Street in Detroit (Exit 44 off I-75).
5th and 6th Avenues in Saginaw (part of exit 2 off I-675).
Beltline and Todd Drive in Madison
In Louisiana: I 10 at Louise Street/Washington Street in Baton Rouge
I 10 and Bonnabel Blvd in Metarie
It's rather uncommon here in Texas since most exits actually dump you onto a frontage road, and there is constant Development along those..but sometimes one of the intersecting streets is a neighborhood street
The one I was familiar with was the 150th Street exit on US 6 in Omaha. It appears to have undergone some modifications since I last lived in Omaha in 2016, so it may not perfectly fit the criteria anymore.
Quote from: michravera on April 17, 2022, 12:43:05 PM
I'm looking for freeway and expressway exits that are signed for residential streets. Ideally, the exit should both indicate and the exit necessarily put you on a two-way street with a speed limit below 50 km/h or 30MPH. This doesn't count exits with "a couple sharp turns" and then a major business or one-way street. No mall, stadium, amusement park, or casino parking lots either.
My sister-in-law used to live two houses off the 68th Street I-94 exit ramp in Milwaukee. I could name about a dozen similar exits in the Milwaukee area. This has to be pretty common right?
Indiana I-65 Exit 110A Morris St/Prospect St.
No businesses anywhere nearby.
CT I-84 Exit 36 Slater Rd. Used to be one shopping plaza there, but it is now a bank processing center. Otherwise, not much else off the exit other than neighborhood streets. And it's a trumpet interchange to boot.
CT 2 Exit 5B that just closed recently let off into the middle of a neighborhood.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 18, 2022, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: michravera on April 17, 2022, 12:43:05 PM
I'm looking for freeway and expressway exits that are signed for residential streets. Ideally, the exit should both indicate and the exit necessarily put you on a two-way street with a speed limit below 50 km/h or 30MPH. This doesn't count exits with "a couple sharp turns" and then a major business or one-way street. No mall, stadium, amusement park, or casino parking lots either.
My sister-in-law used to live two houses off the 68th Street I-94 exit ramp in Milwaukee. I could name about a dozen similar exits in the Milwaukee area. This has to be pretty common right?
I actually lived on a on-ramp to CASR-99 in Sacramento, but the street wasn't a "residential" street. It was mostly commercial and the posted speed limit was either 35 or 40 MPH. In Sacramento, Howe and Watt Aves (which are both expressway or even freeway at the location) have exits for La Riviera Dr, which is basically residential, but it is posted at 35 MPH. What I am looking for is close to the San Luis Obispo and Monterey examples that I gave elsewhere. The 9th Street exit (signed "San Francisco") from I-880 is close, but I believe that it is one-way near the exit and posted 35MPH.
Quote from: michravera on April 18, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 18, 2022, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: michravera on April 17, 2022, 12:43:05 PM
I'm looking for freeway and expressway exits that are signed for residential streets. Ideally, the exit should both indicate and the exit necessarily put you on a two-way street with a speed limit below 50 km/h or 30MPH. This doesn't count exits with "a couple sharp turns" and then a major business or one-way street. No mall, stadium, amusement park, or casino parking lots either.
My sister-in-law used to live two houses off the 68th Street I-94 exit ramp in Milwaukee. I could name about a dozen similar exits in the Milwaukee area. This has to be pretty common right?
I actually lived on a on-ramp to CASR-99 in Sacramento, but the street wasn't a "residential" street. It was mostly commercial and the posted speed limit was either 35 or 40 MPH. In Sacramento, Howe and Watt Aves (which are both expressway or even freeway at the location) have exits for La Riviera Dr, which is basically residential, but it is posted at 35 MPH. What I am looking for is close to the San Luis Obispo and Monterey examples that I gave elsewhere. The 9th Street exit (signed "San Francisco") from I-880 is close, but I believe that it is one-way near the exit and posted 35MPH.
Here's the house in question. Rotate it one way and you see an interstate. Rotate it the other, and you see a perfectly normal residential street.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0294809,-87.9973663,3a,75y,272.69h,89.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXuo3kzJzaF5-6lmRbwxKKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 18, 2022, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: michravera on April 18, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 18, 2022, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: michravera on April 17, 2022, 12:43:05 PM
I'm looking for freeway and expressway exits that are signed for residential streets. Ideally, the exit should both indicate and the exit necessarily put you on a two-way street with a speed limit below 50 km/h or 30MPH. This doesn't count exits with "a couple sharp turns" and then a major business or one-way street. No mall, stadium, amusement park, or casino parking lots either.
My sister-in-law used to live two houses off the 68th Street I-94 exit ramp in Milwaukee. I could name about a dozen similar exits in the Milwaukee area. This has to be pretty common right?
I actually lived on a on-ramp to CASR-99 in Sacramento, but the street wasn't a "residential" street. It was mostly commercial and the posted speed limit was either 35 or 40 MPH. In Sacramento, Howe and Watt Aves (which are both expressway or even freeway at the location) have exits for La Riviera Dr, which is basically residential, but it is posted at 35 MPH. What I am looking for is close to the San Luis Obispo and Monterey examples that I gave elsewhere. The 9th Street exit (signed "San Francisco") from I-880 is close, but I believe that it is one-way near the exit and posted 35MPH.
Here's the house in question. Rotate it one way and you see an interstate. Rotate it the other, and you see a perfectly normal residential street.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0294809,-87.9973663,3a,75y,272.69h,89.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXuo3kzJzaF5-6lmRbwxKKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
This the kind of thing that I had in mind!
Do you count US-36 through Saint Joseph (MO) as a freeway? If so, then I submit the 22nd Street and 28th Street exits (https://goo.gl/maps/98XpfF9GKmGmvHGq5).
There used to be one on southbound I-405 in West Los Angeles -- Waterford St, if I recall correctly.
Closed (1980s?) because a) it was a substandard "hole-in-the-fence" exit and b) the usual commuters looking for a freeway alternative and not treating it like a residential street. The exit itself has, I think, no trace remaining, but there were until recently there were BGS greenouts covering up references to it (GSV 2021 example at the previous exit, Sunset Blvd: https://goo.gl/maps/MvwdopyKfVzmXJLz5)
Another 30-mph example might be Haskell Ave. from US 101, notable because the exit ramps connect to the street separately but right next to each other, and you can turn left or right (or straight, originally) from either lane. If that's not clear, see GSV: https://goo.gl/maps/rJ9fHFLTm5nV7AnW9. Yes, this one is often used as a connector to Ventura Blvd, but that's over a half-mile away.
Here in KC, a lot of those exits along I-70 between downtown and the stadiums (23rd St, 27th St, 31st St, Jackson Ave), on the east side of the city come to mind. Similarly, on the Kansas side, I-635 in KCK has a lot of exits like that.
More broadly, a lot of "inner city" freeways across the country (e.g. the Kennedy, Ryan, and Eisenhower in Chicago; I-44 in St. Louis; 35W in Minneapolis; I-94 in St. Paul) are like that - in fact, a lot of them cut right through residential areas when they were built.
Quote from: kphoger on April 18, 2022, 12:33:01 PM
Do you count US-36 through Saint Joseph (MO) as a freeway? If so, then I submit the 22nd Street and 28th Street exits (https://goo.gl/maps/98XpfF9GKmGmvHGq5).
If you count it, then I will also count the other one in West Virginia: Chestnut Street [and Broaddus Street] exit on US-50 in Clarksburg. You could make an argument that the next exit west of there is also for "neighborhood streets", but it is marked for both Sycamore Street (not a neighborhood street) and West Virginia Avenue (which is a neighborhood street), but the latter is connected to the exit via Thirteenth Street (which is kind of a maybe neighborhood street).
Meadow St off VA 195 Downtown Expwy (WB)
Though Meadow St is divided at the Expressway itself, it is not at all a major street and is residential in nature. Speed limit is 30 MPH over the Expressway, 25 everywhere else.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.545788,-77.463234,3a,35.8704y,298.25443h,93.30834t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0M4pdFAumdGRZaHASKweYQ!2e0
I can think of two in Santa Barbara:
-Exit 98B from US-101 north is Arrellaga Street, definitely puts you right into a 25 MPH residential neighborhood.
-Maybe less of a qualifier, but unique: Exit 95 from US-101 south is Los Patos Way - while not a residential street, definitely a side street, not meant for accessing nearby major streets - so much so, that the exit isn't even listed on advance signage (but is definitely signed as an exit at the gore point).
WB I-696 in Royal Oak has an exit signed for Bermuda St in Ferndale. It also used to be signed for a street in Royal Oak, Mohawk IIRC, but that was taken down when the residents got the city to sign the street "NO THRU TRAFFIC".
Edit: WB, not EB
The 427 in Etobicoke (Toronto), ON has some good examples. All of these are 40 km/h streets, with the first one having detached houses and the other three having apartment/condo buildings.
SB exit for Eringate Drive: https://goo.gl/maps/4Vxy24je2SebtivA7 (https://goo.gl/maps/4Vxy24je2SebtivA7)
SB exit for Holiday Drive: https://goo.gl/maps/4fuYN483WdoNPZ2d6 (https://goo.gl/maps/4fuYN483WdoNPZ2d6)
SB exit for Eva Road: https://goo.gl/maps/UL4cWg3Du6EHMoHu9 (https://goo.gl/maps/UL4cWg3Du6EHMoHu9)
NB exit for Valhalla (Inn) Road: https://goo.gl/maps/G5hGhj2ghnFBqsTG9 (https://goo.gl/maps/G5hGhj2ghnFBqsTG9)
Quote from: DTComposer on April 20, 2022, 01:27:45 AM
I can think of two in Santa Barbara:
-Exit 98B from US-101 north is Arrellaga Street, definitely puts you right into a 25 MPH residential neighborhood.
-Maybe less of a qualifier, but unique: Exit 95 from US-101 south is Los Patos Way - while not a residential street, definitely a side street, not meant for accessing nearby major streets - so much so, that the exit isn't even listed on advance signage (but is definitely signed as an exit at the gore point).
Exit 95 from US 101 North (Salinas St) is another that would be a good example, except for being a 30 MPH zone.
I don't even know why they keep the Los Patos exit open -- there isn't enough of anything on that street to warrant an exit. It could be used as (and, I suspect, originally was) a connector to Cabrillo Blvd, except that the next exit (94B) is signed for Cabrillo, so they presumably prefer traffic to use that.
Exit 99 for I-55 in Jackson is Meadowbrook Road. It's pretty much a glorified residential street, with the exception of a small office park in the northeast quadrant. To get to any real services, you must travel about a mile westward towards State Street.
A lot of the exits off the Arroyo Seco Parkway count.
The 405 southbound out of the Mullholland Pass used to have an exit for Montana Avenue that dumped you into a residential neighborhood, but they removed the exit during one of the freeway expansions.
There are several exits off the 5 north approaching the East LA Interchange that qualify, including Ditman Avenue and Calzona Street.
The 215 in San Bernardino used to have several, but they were removed and the exits were rebuilt at the major cross-streets when the freeway was widened 10 years ago.
I'd argue that the Haskell Avenue exit off the 101 in the Valley also qualifies.
There's the Landers Lane ramp off of I-295 north in Delaware.
https://goo.gl/maps/PGKk2ihhziNVULwY6
In the Philippines, the short ramp for Libis Baesa district in Caloocan (off of the NLEX/Skyway Y split) qualifies for this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Libis%20Baesa#map=18/14.67145/121.00024
There is a college down the street from that though, De La Salle Araneta University, but the road the exit leads to is primarily residential.
Here's one at the Hutchinson River Parkway in Mt. Vernon: https://goo.gl/maps/RAX4R8AtzhGyBtFR7
And an entrance-only a mile north on a very residential street: https://goo.gl/maps/7z5bNbLdFsg3VmAS7
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 19, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
Here in KC, a lot of those exits along I-70 between downtown and the stadiums (23rd St, 27th St, 31st St, Jackson Ave), on the east side of the city come to mind. Similarly, on the Kansas side, I-635 in KCK has a lot of exits like that.
Hell, I think half of the exits from the 18th Street freeway would qualify. Steele Road? Ruby Avenue??
The ur-example is probably Mogul (I-80 Exit 7 in Nevada) (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5162941,-119.9202021,3a,24y,277.85h,88.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUN3Wxp9pQ31OkU3QIpLcWw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
I never thought this was a thing. I saw lots of these when I lived in St Louis and a fair number when I lived in Tidewater. Here's just a few
St Louis
I-55@ Loughborough, especially NB onto Idaho (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5546653,-90.2595908,17.43z?hl=en)
I-55@ Bates/Virginia (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5634938,-90.2446713,17.15z?hl=en)
I-44@ Grand (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6161906,-90.2369452,16.59z?hl=en)
I-44@ Berry Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5764022,-90.3769626,17.15z?hl=en)
I-64@ Bellevue (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6281553,-90.3132798,17.71z?hl=en)
I-64@ Spoede Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.635676,-90.4168543,17.15z?hl=en)
I-70@ Branch (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6547528,-90.194233,17.43z?hl=en)
I-70 @ Lucas and Hunt (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7116595,-90.2831171,1257m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
Tidewater
I-64@ W Bay Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9425242,-76.2664928,1259m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
I-264@ Ballentine Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8466444,-76.2510542,1034m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
VA 164@ West Norfolk Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8635037,-76.3499415,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_5cR2A7Sq4tS424JIcphA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
There are others. But these were all pretty obvious.
The Editha Ave ramp off MA-57 westbound in Agawam.
The example that immediately comes to mind for me is the Chantilly Blvd. exit on US-41 (northbound only) north of Chicago. As far as I can tell the exit only serves a small residential area and is the only way in and out of the neighborhood.
Always thought the Vermont Street exit from US 101 NB in San Francisco was mysterious. Residential neighborhood, no way to reenter the freeway. Maybe just a traffic escape hatch.
https://goo.gl/maps/i7QvRNM4vdnrvMfn8
I forgot US 169 at 16th St. in St. Louis Park, MN. There used to be two RIROS, but the one to/from southbound 169 was removed a few years ago.
Quote from: flowmotion on May 25, 2022, 12:26:06 AM
Always thought the Vermont Street exit from US 101 NB in San Francisco was mysterious. Residential neighborhood, no way to reenter the freeway. Maybe just a traffic escape hatch.
https://goo.gl/maps/i7QvRNM4vdnrvMfn8
So why did they close off the left-turn lane from there?
Quote from: GaryV on April 20, 2022, 07:54:30 AM
WB I-696 in Royal Oak has an exit signed for Bermuda St in Ferndale. It also used to be signed for a street in Royal Oak, Mohawk IIRC, but that was taken down when the residents got the city to sign the street "NO THRU TRAFFIC".
That's an interesting note. Not only the "No Thru Traffic" signage, but I just looked on Street View and you can see that some time after the freeway was built, the Mohawk / Irving intersection (just a few steps north of the I-696 service drive) was reconfigured to make Irving Avenue the through route. The asphalt cuts on the right indicate the curved curb was not originally there. https://goo.gl/maps/w5wLb7CBBQtbiWnBA
When I-696 signage was replaced in 2017, the original sign plans showed "Bermuda St / Mohawk Ave." Now I know why that was changed.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on May 25, 2022, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: GaryV on April 20, 2022, 07:54:30 AM
WB I-696 in Royal Oak has an exit signed for Bermuda St in Ferndale. It also used to be signed for a street in Royal Oak, Mohawk IIRC, but that was taken down when the residents got the city to sign the street "NO THRU TRAFFIC".
That's an interesting note. Not only the "No Thru Traffic" signage, but I just looked on Street View and you can see that some time after the freeway was built, the Mohawk / Irving intersection (just a few steps north of the I-696 service drive) was reconfigured to make Irving Avenue the through route. The asphalt cuts on the right indicate the curved curb was not originally there. https://goo.gl/maps/w5wLb7CBBQtbiWnBA
That reminds me of my thought experiment: what specific action would a driver have to take to be in violation of the "No Thru Traffic" sign? (I used to live next to a street that was also signed this way. There was nothing physical preventing thru traffic, so the only way to violate it would be behavioral.)
Quote from: empirestate on May 25, 2022, 06:04:50 PM
That reminds me of my thought experiment: what specific action would a driver have to take to be in violation of the "No Thru Traffic" sign? (I used to live next to a street that was also signed this way. There was nothing physical preventing thru traffic, so the only way to violate it would be behavioral.)
The easy answer is that it probably depends on the laws in that specific location. However, having said that...
Charlie Crist is currently the US Representative of Florida's 13th district. Twenty years ago, though, he was elected to the office of Attorney General for the state of Florida. During his term as Attorney General, he wrote an advisory legal opinion in response to an attorney in Cape Coral, who had asked about the legality and enforceability of "No Thru Street" signs. Below are the last three paragraphs of his response:
Quote from: Charlie Crist, Florida Attorney General, 24-MAR-2004
The Florida Department of Transportation has adopted the Federal Highway Safety Administration Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices[5] for use in this state. No provision of the manual and specifications adopted by the Department of Transportation or elsewhere in Chapter 316, Florida Statutes, authorizes the use or erection of a sign stating "No Thru Street."[6] Thus, a municipality has no authority to erect or enforce such a sign pursuant to Chapter 316, Florida Statutes.
The roads upon which the City of Cape Coral has erected signs are municipal roadways on which the public has a right to travel. This is not a situation involving private roads over which the municipality has been requested to exercise traffic control and must enter into an agreement with the private owners to exercise such control.[7]
While the municipality is authorized to provide regulatory or warning signage on municipal roadways to alert motorists to such things as posted speed limits or "watch for children", nothing in Chapter 316, Florida Statutes, or elsewhere authorizes the city to limit the right of the public to use such roadways for the exclusive benefit of the home owners in the area and their invitees.
[5] See Rule 14-15.010, F.A.C., in which the Florida Department of Transportation adopts the MUTCD as Florida's manual of uniform traffic control devices and makes it a part of the administrative rules of the department. The manual may be viewed at http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-millennium.htm.
[6] Compare s. 316.008(1)(f), Fla. Stat., which authorizes a local authority to designate a street as a through street or designate any intersection as a stop or yield intersection.
[7] It is the availability of the area for travel and the right of general and common use that makes certain private property subject to public control pursuant to Chapter 316, Florida Statutes. Thus, this office has concluded that municipalities have enforcement authority regarding traffic violations and accidents occurring on "private property" where the public has the right to travel, such as shopping center parking lots. See Ops. Att'y Gen. Fla. 73-323 (1973) and 72-383 (1972). And see Op. Att'y Gen. Fla. 84-46 (1984) (if public has right to travel on access road owned and maintained by, and located within territorial limits of, airport authority, then provisions of Ch. 316, Fla. Stat., applicable). For those private roads or limited access roads where the public does not have a right to travel, however, section 316.006(3)(a), Florida Statutes, authorizes a municipality to exercise jurisdiction if the municipality has jurisdiction pursuant to a written agreement pursuant to section 316.006(2)(b), Florida Statutes, for municipal traffic control jurisdiction. See Op. Att'y Gen. Fla. 88-5 (1988). The agreement, which must be approved by the governing body of the municipality, must provide for reimbursement of the actual costs of traffic control and enforcement and for liability insurance and indemnification by the party who owns or controls such roads. Other terms, as may be mutually agreeable to the parties, may also be included. Section 316.006(2)(b)1., Fla. Stat. And see s. 316.006(2)(b)2., Fla. Stat., which states that the exercise of this jurisdiction is in addition to jurisdictional authority presently exercised by municipalities under law and that nothing in the paragraph shall be construed to limit or remove any such jurisdictional authority.
I think the us 20 elgin bypass has some
As part of my internship, I was checking Google Street View for the entire eastern half (by population) of Massachusetts. While intersections where both streets were residential were excluded, I saw pretty much everything on collector roads and above. There was exactly one road that said no thru traffic that was possible as a cut-through. Every other time that sign appeared, it was impossible, not just prohibited.
Quote from: kphoger on May 25, 2022, 06:48:14 PM
The easy answer is that it probably depends on the laws in that specific location. However, having said that...
Yikes. Sounds like that sign becomes a probable cause magnet, then...
Quote from: skluth on April 23, 2022, 01:56:32 PM
I never thought this was a thing. I saw lots of these when I lived in St Louis and a fair number when I lived in Tidewater. Here's just a few
St Louis
I-55@ Loughborough, especially NB onto Idaho (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5546653,-90.2595908,17.43z?hl=en)
I-55@ Bates/Virginia (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5634938,-90.2446713,17.15z?hl=en)
I-44@ Grand (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6161906,-90.2369452,16.59z?hl=en)
I-44@ Berry Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5764022,-90.3769626,17.15z?hl=en)
I-64@ Bellevue (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6281553,-90.3132798,17.71z?hl=en)
I-64@ Spoede Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.635676,-90.4168543,17.15z?hl=en)
I-70@ Branch (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6547528,-90.194233,17.43z?hl=en)
I-70 @ Lucas and Hunt (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7116595,-90.2831171,1257m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
Tidewater
I-64@ W Bay Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9425242,-76.2664928,1259m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
I-264@ Ballentine Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8466444,-76.2510542,1034m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
VA 164@ West Norfolk Avenue (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8635037,-76.3499415,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh_5cR2A7Sq4tS424JIcphA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
There are others. But these were all pretty obvious.
You forgot the I-70 EB exit for Shreve. Dumps you onto Marcus.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on May 26, 2022, 12:13:46 AM
I think the us 20 elgin bypass has some
It does indeed as you need to use neighborhood streets to get to Route 25.
Map: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0220314,-88.2671327,17z
GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0204813,-88.266071,3a,75y,312.86h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC5x8V4PRarf9ODt-ZgKUtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2022, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on May 26, 2022, 12:13:46 AM
I think the us 20 elgin bypass has some
It does indeed as you need to use neighborhood streets to get to Route 25.
Map: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0220314,-88.2671327,17z
GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0204813,-88.266071,3a,75y,312.86h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC5x8V4PRarf9ODt-ZgKUtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
That's similar to the interchange of IL-83 and IL-19.
https://goo.gl/maps/r4efLrFjsxpqZM8x5
https://goo.gl/maps/xKnWzZiKpz1m2Hxr8
Also, IL-53 and IL-38.
https://goo.gl/maps/A3LrJ4zEE37X58Ru9
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2022, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on May 26, 2022, 12:13:46 AM
I think the us 20 elgin bypass has some
It does indeed as you need to use neighborhood streets to get to Route 25.
Map: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0220314,-88.2671327,17z
GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0204813,-88.266071,3a,75y,312.86h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sC5x8V4PRarf9ODt-ZgKUtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
That's similar to the interchange of IL-83 and IL-19.
https://goo.gl/maps/r4efLrFjsxpqZM8x5
https://goo.gl/maps/xKnWzZiKpz1m2Hxr8
Also, IL-53 and IL-38.
https://goo.gl/maps/A3LrJ4zEE37X58Ru9
Not quite because the other 2 examples you posted are not technically from a freeway. But in reality, yes.
I-96 exit 76 in Portland, MI. Why does this exit even exist considering that there's an exit a mile to the east?
Quote from: ftballfan on June 14, 2022, 09:59:46 PM
I-96 exit 76 in Portland, MI. Why does this exit even exist considering that there's an exit a mile to the east?
Maybe because Kent St has a bridge across the Grand River.
Does that one exit on US 101 northbound in Ukiah count? The one near the baseball field and water treatment plant that connects to a dead end residential street.