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Title: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: roadman65 on April 25, 2022, 01:03:11 AM
Many Classic Rock Stations, prominently with Pink Floyd, that has albums with all the songs segueing into each other, makes ending a song real challenge to program directors especially with Next Gen, the program that plays the songs from a pre set queue.

Most notably the songs played from the Dark Side of the Moon such as Breath and Us And Them where the songs have no fade outs or outros.  Many times you will hear both tracks quickly end to avoid playing the next tracks. Though on Wish You Were Here songs like the Title Track and Shine On You Crazy Diamond at least have long  fade outs  or instrumental endings so the abrupt end is not created, but on Dark Side of The Moon you have to stop Breathe before the first sound effects of On The Run which is the song that immediately starts from Breath's last line. Ditto for US And Them as Any Color You Like starts pronto after the " The Old Man Died"  verse of the aforementioned track.

However WPLJ in New York would let On The Run and Any Color You Like play for a few bars before a quick slow fade or let On The Run's first line play to make it sound like both songs actually have a little bit of an outro.   That IMO is how it should be done, but WMMO in Orlando drops the song end quickly for the next song on the station playlist.

Considering that Speak To Me is played with Breathe, another song before it, IMO itwon't hurt to play part of On The Run either.

On Chicago It's Hard To Say I'm Sorry most stations seem like the end of that which segues into another track afterwards, has trouble finding the right spot to quickly fade that one out.  Each on air personality ends the song at various points or some play the next track completely ( which is a rockety tune sort of like the band's roots before going to ballads) to avoid the hassle.

Then on Another Brick In The Wall Part Two most stations I hear, play Happiest Days Of Our Lives ( the preceding song on the album) to avoid the abrupt start that has. However, I have heard some versions actually play an intro to Another Brick In The Wall Part Two and WPLJ when they were a Classic Rock Station were able to mix perfectly Another Brick Part One into Part Two without any problem to make all three song parts as one whole song sacrificing the end with the child crying and the " How can you have any pudding"  line for the part three song to end it all.

So how does most stations you know handle ending a song fading directly into the next song?
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: kevinb1994 on April 25, 2022, 03:05:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 25, 2022, 01:03:11 AM
Many Classic Rock Stations, prominently with Pink Floyd, that has albums with all the songs segueing into each other, makes ending a song real challenge to program directors especially with Next Gen, the program that plays the songs from a pre set queue.

Most notably the songs played from the Dark Side of the Moon such as Breath and Us And Them where the songs have no fade outs or outros.  Many times you will hear both tracks quickly end to avoid playing the next tracks. Though on Wish You Were Here songs like the Title Track and Shine On You Crazy Diamond at least have long  fade outs  or instrumental endings so the abrupt end is not created, but on Dark Side of The Moon you have to stop Breathe before the first sound effects of On The Run which is the song that immediately starts from Breath's last line. Ditto for US And Them as Any Color You Like starts pronto after the " The Old Man Died"  verse of the aforementioned track.

However WPLJ in New York would let On The Run and Any Color You Like play for a few bars before a quick slow fade or let On The Run's first line play to make it sound like both songs actually have a little bit of an outro.   That IMO is how it should be done, but WMMO in Orlando drops the song end quickly for the next song on the station playlist.

Considering that Speak To Me is played with Breathe, another song before it, IMO itwon't hurt to play part of On The Run either.

On Chicago It's Hard To Say I'm Sorry most stations seem like the end of that which segues into another track afterwards, has trouble finding the right spot to quickly fade that one out.  Each on air personality ends the song at various points or some play the next track completely ( which is a rockety tune sort of like the band's roots before going to ballads) to avoid the hassle.

Then on Another Brick In The Wall Part Two most stations I hear, play Happiest Days Of Our Lives ( the preceding song on the album) to avoid the abrupt start that has. However, I have heard some versions actually play an intro to Another Brick In The Wall Part Two and WPLJ when they were a Classic Rock Station were able to mix perfectly Another Brick Part One into Part Two without any problem to make all three song parts as one whole song sacrificing the end with the child crying and the " How can you have any pudding"  line for the part three song to end it all.

So how does most stations you know handle ending a song fading directly into the next song?
Sirius XM has no problem with segues.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: Rothman on April 25, 2022, 06:44:14 AM
Huh.  When was the last time I listened to the radio?  Outside of tuning into traffic advisories...three years ago or so.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: ErmineNotyours on April 25, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
XTC's "Dear God" ended with a rhythm pattern at the end (back when I still heard it on the radio).  I thought that was how the song ended until I heard the album and found out that was the start of the next song.  There are other examples out there that I can't remember right now.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 25, 2022, 08:19:21 AM
Quote from: Rothman on April 25, 2022, 06:44:14 AM
Huh.  When was the last time I listened to the radio?  Outside of tuning into traffic advisories...three years ago or so.

People still listen to radio. I still turn on the WDRV Chicago when I'm at home sometimes. I usually just want a slightly different mix than my own playlist. Also, if I'm on my own playlist, I skip so many songs that I always hear a similar selection, wearing me down on those specific songs. Listening to the radio forces me to listen to songs (or ads) I don't necessarily want to hear in order for the good songs to stand out.

Yes, it's a bit odd, but somewhat true.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: kphoger on April 25, 2022, 10:47:31 AM
Back when I was making mix tapes, I would either fade in or fade out in such cases.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: michravera on April 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.

I haven't heard either pair on the radio lately, but back in the day, I never heard "This Beat Goes On / Switching to Glide" by the Kings or "HeartBreaker / Living Loving Maid" by Led Zeppelin EXCEPT together.

Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: michravera on April 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.

I haven't heard either pair on the radio lately, but back in the day, I never heard..."HeartBreaker / Living Loving Maid" by Led Zeppelin EXCEPT together.
My understanding is that that was because it was physically impossible to remove the needle from the record at the end of Heartbreaker and before Living Loving Maid started.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: golden eagle on April 25, 2022, 02:25:04 PM
It's Hard to Say I'm Sorry from Chicago fades about before it begins to segue into the postlude "Get Away". Also, Prince's I Would Die For You hits a "brick wall" on radio because on the Purple Rain soundtrack, it goes right into Baby I'm A Star.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: hbelkins on April 25, 2022, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: michravera on April 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.

I haven't heard either pair on the radio lately, but back in the day, I never heard..."HeartBreaker / Living Loving Maid" by Led Zeppelin EXCEPT together.
My understanding is that that was because it was physically impossible to remove the needle from the record at the end of Heartbreaker and before Living Loving Maid started.

Interesting that this one gets mentioned, because it's the one I was going to bring up. Back in the LP days, I heard "Living Loving Maid" and "Ramble On" together. It was only in later years that the combo became "Heartbreaker" and "Living Loving Maid."
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 25, 2022, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: michravera on April 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.

I haven't heard either pair on the radio lately, but back in the day, I never heard..."HeartBreaker / Living Loving Maid" by Led Zeppelin EXCEPT together.
My understanding is that that was because it was physically impossible to remove the needle from the record at the end of Heartbreaker and before Living Loving Maid started.

Interesting that this one gets mentioned, because it's the one I was going to bring up. Back in the LP days, I heard "Living Loving Maid" and "Ramble On" together. It was only in later years that the combo became "Heartbreaker" and "Living Loving Maid."
It might have been because LLM has no intro and just sort of...starts.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: epzik8 on April 25, 2022, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on April 25, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
XTC's "Dear God" ended with a rhythm pattern at the end (back when I still heard it on the radio).  I thought that was how the song ended until I heard the album and found out that was the start of the next song.  There are other examples out there that I can't remember right now.
That song, "Dying", also has similar chords to "Dear God".
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: jp the roadgeek on April 25, 2022, 08:46:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 25, 2022, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: michravera on April 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.

I haven't heard either pair on the radio lately, but back in the day, I never heard..."HeartBreaker / Living Loving Maid" by Led Zeppelin EXCEPT together.
My understanding is that that was because it was physically impossible to remove the needle from the record at the end of Heartbreaker and before Living Loving Maid started.

Interesting that this one gets mentioned, because it's the one I was going to bring up. Back in the LP days, I heard "Living Loving Maid" and "Ramble On" together. It was only in later years that the combo became "Heartbreaker" and "Living Loving Maid."
It might have been because LLM has no intro and just sort of...starts.

Another one like that is Feeling That Way/Anytime by Journey.  Absolutely no pause between the Way and Ooooh, Anytime that you want me so it makes it seem like it's one long song. 
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 10:00:04 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 25, 2022, 08:46:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 25, 2022, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 25, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: michravera on April 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
On SiriusXM when they play Us and Them, their way out is to loop the "died" from the final line "the old man died" and fade it out.

I haven't heard either pair on the radio lately, but back in the day, I never heard..."HeartBreaker / Living Loving Maid" by Led Zeppelin EXCEPT together.
My understanding is that that was because it was physically impossible to remove the needle from the record at the end of Heartbreaker and before Living Loving Maid started.

Interesting that this one gets mentioned, because it's the one I was going to bring up. Back in the LP days, I heard "Living Loving Maid" and "Ramble On" together. It was only in later years that the combo became "Heartbreaker" and "Living Loving Maid."
It might have been because LLM has no intro and just sort of...starts.

Another one like that is Feeling That Way/Anytime by Journey.  Absolutely no pause between the Way and Ooooh, Anytime that you want me so it makes it seem like it's one long song.
I...did not know those were two different songs.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 25, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Queen has said We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions were never intended to be played as one, but most stations do to the point it surprised me once when they played one without the other.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: michravera on April 25, 2022, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Queen has said We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions were never intended to be played as one, but most stations do to the point it surprised me once when they played one without the other.
I'm not sure who did the "intending". They were certainly available together as a single in the US.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: kphoger on April 25, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Queen has said We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions were never intended to be played as one, but most stations do to the point it surprised me once when they played one without the other.

It's actually a pet peeve of mine that they're always played together on the radio.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:18:50 AM
Donna Summer's greatest hits set was like this too.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:25:01 AM
"Head Over Heels" by Tears For Fears has this long ending like "Hard To Say I'm Sorry" does that sounds like it might really be listed as a separate track on the album. But the only station I ever remember that played the long ending was WLAP-FM.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:31:29 AM
Another unusual record was "One Night In Bangkok" by Murray Head. Some versions have this long symphonic intro that goes right into the vocals. 'American Top 40' and MTV had that version. I think the commercial 45 may have had this, while the promo 45 may have had the version that was heard on the radio more, which WCLU and Q-102 played. But WLAP-FM may have played the version with the symphonic intro.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: LilianaUwU on April 26, 2022, 12:40:38 AM
When I aired "Home by the Sea" and "Second Home by the Sea" by Genesis on the radio, I opted to air the two parts in two consecutive episodes, as if the first episode was a cliffhanger for the second.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: roadman65 on April 26, 2022, 12:55:22 AM
One song I used to think was one was The Load Out/ Stay by Jackson Browne. In fact I remember that Stay was a cover of a Maurice Williams tune back in the early sixties. That confused me as Richard Pryor had not yet became famous, so I wondered why it was in there until I learned the whole first part was not a Maurice Williams song and a separate track.

Some soft rock stations do leave off The Load Out and start Stay as begins abruptly just as some radio stations play only the end of We're Not Gonna Take It by The Who starting with " See Me Feel Me etc."  instead of the entire song starting with " Welcome to the camp, etc."
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: Henry on April 26, 2022, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: kphoger on April 25, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Queen has said We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions were never intended to be played as one, but most stations do to the point it surprised me once when they played one without the other.

It's actually a pet peeve of mine that they're always played together on the radio.
I thought about that one too. Although there's no fade out between the former's guitar solo and the latter's opening, it's easy to see where the song changes. The single edit of We Will Rock You simply ends after the guitar part.

A trickier example of this is Earth, Wind & Fire's After the Love Has Gone, whose ending bleeds directly into another song which I can't remember offhand, but it has the often repeated line "Gotta let your feelings show". On the full album cut, the sax solo slowly fades out during the new song's intro, while the single just ends on said solo.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: abefroman329 on April 26, 2022, 11:19:53 AM
The downside to Pandora and the like is that they'll play songs like this by themselves, when it seems doubtful that that's how the artist(s) wanted people to listen to it.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: hbelkins on April 26, 2022, 11:31:47 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on April 26, 2022, 12:40:38 AM
When I aired "Home by the Sea" and "Second Home by the Sea" by Genesis on the radio, I opted to air the two parts in two consecutive episodes, as if the first episode was a cliffhanger for the second.

I consider those two songs to be one entity, a suite of sorts.

The CD and digital age certainly has played a role in how we think of songs. If you run down the parts of "2112," you see all sorts of what appear to be separate tracks: "Overture," "The Temples of Syrinx," "Discovery," etc. But on the CD, they're not broken down into individual portions or movements. It's all one big long, nearly 20-minute track.

Contrast that to Chicago's "Ballet For a Girl in Buchannan" (sic). Each song is its own digital track.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on April 26, 2022, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 26, 2022, 12:55:22 AM
One song I used to think was one was The Load Out/ Stay by Jackson Browne. In fact I remember that Stay was a cover of a Maurice Williams tune back in the early sixties. That confused me as Richard Pryor had not yet became famous, so I wondered why it was in there until I learned the whole first part was not a Maurice Williams song and a separate track.

Some soft rock stations do leave off The Load Out and start Stay as begins abruptly just as some radio stations play only the end of We're Not Gonna Take It by The Who starting with " See Me Feel Me etc."  instead of the entire song starting with " Welcome to the camp, etc."

This is the one I immediately thought of.  It helps that Jackson Browne's version of Stay is kinda short so playing them back to back is kinda the equivalent of playing Like a Rolling Stone.  Also, I think both songs can't live without each other.

There are other way around this, especially if one of the songs was a single.  The Simon and Garfunkel song "America" was actually a medley with "The Bookends Theme" and "Save the Life of My Child" preceding it on the Bookends album, but since "America" was released as a single, the record company did the hard work of eliminating the end of "Save the Life of My Child" from the beginning of "America" so the DJ didn't have to.  Basically there is the Album version nd a standalone version. 
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:12:12 PM
It seems like WLAP-FM actually played "Stay" by itself in the late '80s.

Wasn't this actually a double-sided hit?
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on April 26, 2022, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:12:12 PM
It seems like WLAP-FM actually played "Stay" by itself in the late '80s.

Wasn't this actually a double-sided hit?

Wow it was.  I didn't know that.  They seemed to have been a package deal a lot of times on the radio but were separate singles and not on the same 45.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Remember when AM stations usually played shorter versions than FM stations?

I think "Eyes Without A Face" by Billy Idol was like this. The AM version of "Cum On Feel The Noize" by Quiet Riot omitted a whole verse. AM stations usually removed the long ending of "When Doves Cry" and "Purple Rain" by Prince.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: golden eagle on April 26, 2022, 02:15:11 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:25:01 AM
"Head Over Heels" by Tears For Fears has this long ending like "Hard To Say I'm Sorry" does that sounds like it might really be listed as a separate track on the album. But the only station I ever remember that played the long ending was WLAP-FM.

It's called Broken. I heard it played on a few stations back in the day.

INXS also had the same deal with Need You Tonight with a song called Mediate. I've never heard Mediate played without hearing Need You Tonight first.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: kphoger on April 26, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on April 26, 2022, 02:15:11 PM
INXS also had the same deal with Need You Tonight with a song called Mediate. I've never heard Mediate played without hearing Need You Tonight first.

/me switches YouTube from playing Toad the Wet Sprocket to playing the INXS album Kick.

:cheers:
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: I-55 on April 26, 2022, 03:27:41 PM
Van Halen's "Eruption" and "You Really Got Me" seem to be segued more often on rock stations than classic hits stations. For example, I can get 98.7 WASK (Classic Hits) which plays just the latter, while 103.9 (Crawfordsville, Rock) plays both.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: ErmineNotyours on April 26, 2022, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 26, 2022, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: kphoger on April 25, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 25, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Queen has said We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions were never intended to be played as one, but most stations do to the point it surprised me once when they played one without the other.

It's actually a pet peeve of mine that they're always played together on the radio.
I thought about that one too. Although there's no fade out between the former's guitar solo and the latter's opening, it's easy to see where the song changes. The single edit of We Will Rock You simply ends after the guitar part.
[snip]

I remember hearing the songs on the radio at the time, and I bought the single.  The version on the consumer single is a longer version of "We Will Rock You" on one side, and "We Are the Champions" on the other.  However, the AM radio version was a shorter version of "We Will Rock You" followed by the other song.  Despite what the band said, the label must have furnished radio with a special double-song single.

"Stay" (1960) is the shortest number-one single at 1:36.  So, of course, the 70s version is a bloated live version, because of long-playing records or drugs.  Take your pick.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: ErmineNotyours on April 26, 2022, 10:08:50 PM
After discovering the American Top 40 Fun and Games site (https://at40fg.proboards.com/board/5) (another UBB board not unlike this one) I discovered where someone posts the cue sheets from American Top 40 shows.  Wow!  And sometimes the cue sheets include the even further behind-the-scenes rundown that demonstrate how the shows were put together.  Double wow!  They have all the timings for the various versions of all the songs so that they can make a four hour show that times out properly, and other information for the smooth construction of the show.  Under the info for Janet Jackson's "Control" on page 5 of the following PDF file, they say, "TRACKS TO NEXT CUT".  Yet more evidence of having to avoid segues.

http://charismusicgroup.com/Cue%20Sheets/12-13-86.pdf
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: hbelkins on April 27, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Remember when AM stations usually played shorter versions than FM stations?

The single versions of Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" and "Dialogue" are chopped all to pieces. The single version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" omitted both the free form piano intro and the beginning horn section. "Beginnings" was heavily edited. And the single version of "Make Me Smile" was an edited version of the album track of the same name, combined with an edited version of "Now More Than Ever."
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 27, 2022, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 27, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Remember when AM stations usually played shorter versions than FM stations?

The single versions of Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" and "Dialogue" are chopped all to pieces. The single version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" omitted both the free form piano intro and the beginning horn section. "Beginnings" was heavily edited. And the single version of "Make Me Smile" was an edited version of the album track of the same name, combined with an edited version of "Now More Than Ever."

This has been one of my biggest gripes about satellite radio, playing censored/single versions. It's like they're trying to replicate everything that sucks about regular radio except for the commercials.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: abefroman329 on April 27, 2022, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 27, 2022, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 27, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Remember when AM stations usually played shorter versions than FM stations?

The single versions of Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" and "Dialogue" are chopped all to pieces. The single version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" omitted both the free form piano intro and the beginning horn section. "Beginnings" was heavily edited. And the single version of "Make Me Smile" was an edited version of the album track of the same name, combined with an edited version of "Now More Than Ever."

This has been one of my biggest gripes about satellite radio, playing censored/single versions. It's like they're trying to replicate everything that sucks about regular radio except for the commercials.
As far as I can tell, they play the censored versions on the "[decade] on [channel number]" channels, and the uncensored versions on the other channels.

It was even more jarring when I was listening to one of the "clean" standup channels and they played Mitch Hedberg's bit about how "you can't be like pancakes, all excited at first, but by the end, you're fuckin' sick of em," and they just removed everything after "all excited at first."
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: skluth on April 27, 2022, 02:48:11 PM
All the Moody Blues albums from In Search of the Lost Chord through Seventh Sojourn (and possibly later but I didn't listen to those albums much) have every song bleeding into the next. It was a pain in the ass when I was younger and would make mix tapes that included their songs.

The worst example of blatant editing to create a single for me was Light My Fire by the Doors with a very abrupt transition where the instrumental middle section was deleted. I didn't mind the editing for Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is as a single because that's the version I heard first. The album version of 25 or 6 to 4 is simply too long and self-indulgent and I prefer the single. It's been years since I heard the single of Dialogue but it was released with Parts 1 and 2 so I understand the AM desire to chop it to pieces. I don't recall ever hearing a single of Beginnings, but I honestly can't imagine it as anything other than the 8+ minute masterpiece that it is.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: bandit957 on April 27, 2022, 02:50:38 PM
The AM version of "While You See A Chance" by Steve Winwood is weird. The edit is right in the middle of some vocals.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: Dirt Roads on April 27, 2022, 03:53:07 PM
Just an hour ago on a Greensboro radio station:  a female robo-voiceover comes on during the brief interlude between two songs saying "Random is good!"  The first song was T.N.T. (AC/DC) and the second song was Boogie Shoes (KC and the Sunshine Band).  Can't say that I was ever in the mood for a segue between those two songs.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on April 27, 2022, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 27, 2022, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 27, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Remember when AM stations usually played shorter versions than FM stations?

The single versions of Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" and "Dialogue" are chopped all to pieces. The single version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" omitted both the free form piano intro and the beginning horn section. "Beginnings" was heavily edited. And the single version of "Make Me Smile" was an edited version of the album track of the same name, combined with an edited version of "Now More Than Ever."

This has been one of my biggest gripes about satellite radio, playing censored/single versions. It's like they're trying to replicate everything that sucks about regular radio except for the commercials.

Some people want that.  I can say that I am someone that can use less profanity on the radio and TV.  Its all the comforts of hearing the way the songs were played on the radio, the way you remember it when you were young, with the added bonus of being able to pick up the channel in Boston and listen to it as you drive to Denver and never lose it.

That's what satellite radio is to me.  Again, I get nothing out of hearing people professionally curse, so the added taboo of listening to DJs drop F-bombs or hearing Nine Inch Nails sing F-bombs on the radio is not appealing to me.  For me its finding a station I like and not having to worry about 3 hours down the road having it fade into white noise, or Tejano music down here.   

Now I will add that I am more a fan of the album versions of songs because they are usually longer and the single version so many times is shortened but cutting my favorite lick out of the song. 
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: golden eagle on April 28, 2022, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 27, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on April 26, 2022, 12:52:50 PM
Remember when AM stations usually played shorter versions than FM stations?

The single versions of Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" and "Dialogue" are chopped all to pieces. The single version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" omitted both the free form piano intro and the beginning horn section. "Beginnings" was heavily edited. And the single version of "Make Me Smile" was an edited version of the album track of the same name, combined with an edited version of "Now More Than Ever."

I was in Walmart Saturday and they played the very chopped down version of "25 Or 6 To 4". I was seething inside when I heard that.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: SectorZ on April 28, 2022, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: skluth on April 27, 2022, 02:48:11 PM
All the Moody Blues albums from In Search of the Lost Chord through Seventh Sojourn (and possibly later but I didn't listen to those albums much) have every song bleeding into the next. It was a pain in the ass when I was younger and would make mix tapes that included their songs.

All of the core seven (Days of Future Passed to Seventh Sojourn) do and their 1974 greatest hits album does as well. All the ones after did not, outside of a couple tracks that were meant to be paired together, but not the run-on segue those earlier albums were.

Getting into them in my early teens I thought that was a really unique thing they did in doing that.
Title: Re: Radio Stations and cutting out segued songs
Post by: michravera on April 28, 2022, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: skluth on April 27, 2022, 02:48:11 PM
All the Moody Blues albums from In Search of the Lost Chord through Seventh Sojourn (and possibly later but I didn't listen to those albums much) have every song bleeding into the next. It was a pain in the ass when I was younger and would make mix tapes that included their songs.

The worst example of blatant editing to create a single for me was Light My Fire by the Doors with a very abrupt transition where the instrumental middle section was deleted. I didn't mind the editing for Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is as a single because that's the version I heard first. The album version of 25 or 6 to 4 is simply too long and self-indulgent and I prefer the single. It's been years since I heard the single of Dialogue but it was released with Parts 1 and 2 so I understand the AM desire to chop it to pieces. I don't recall ever hearing a single of Beginnings, but I honestly can't imagine it as anything other than the 8+ minute masterpiece that it is.

.....
Tried to set the night on fire. Yeahayeay.
Do Do Di Do dodi do
dodi dodi dum
dodi dum  dump didledum
Bop Bop Bop Bop! Bop Bop Bop Bop


Cut from 7:10 down to 2:30.

"Get Ready" by Rare Earth has an deeper cut from 19:25 down to around 3:15, but since the original by The Temptations was just around 4:00 and the Rare Earth version was a "jam extension cover", I don't exactly count it. It is somewhat incongruous that the chopped version by Rare Earth is shorter than that of the Temptations.