According to Lord Carhorn in this thread one can find absolute fact in Wallethub:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=30421.0
Personally I've found the conclusions Wallethub comes to as being somewhat questionable. Has anyone actually had success finding insight via Wallethub? If so what matters did those conclusions pertain to?
Isn't Wallethub the unquestioned, authoritative , definitive website for information of this kind?
I believe Theodore Roosevelt said so himself.
/sarcasm off
What the hell is wallethub?
Quote from: Takumi on May 27, 2022, 11:52:02 PM
What the hell is wallethub?
Yeah, I'd never heard of it until today, either.
Wallethub sounds like some cryptocurrency thing. Fortunately, it's not.
I never heard of it until carhorn kept posting the link. Oh look Illiinois ranks 5th and Michigan ranks 37th and Wisconsin ranks 40th that means Illinois is sooooooooo much better than Michigan and Wisconsin. LMAO.
Wikipedia says it was started as a site to rate and review financial professionals. Wonder how it veered off into lifestyle/adventure ratings? (Much like threads on this site often veer into uncharted territory.)
Even other travel blogs use it as a source. Like this one for example
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffal.cn%2F3oYK2&h=AT1L58yypN_1mlG3Ahd2SsdOy_P4ldD_0HqkpYwFiOLc8C4J3qW1YxeQA9RycbjGY6VGfxVEQmZxFssdHwX-zH4Skduwp8eqZ_FwJgdA5EafSXbZ4AWULpPXcF0KyUauTkostEtecbLngp2WpA
Your problem isn't using it. Your problem is treating it like religious people treat the Bible.
Quote from: Crash_It on May 28, 2022, 01:08:46 PM
Even other travel blogs use it as a source. Like this one for example
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffal.cn%2F3oYK2&h=AT1L58yypN_1mlG3Ahd2SsdOy_P4ldD_0HqkpYwFiOLc8C4J3qW1YxeQA9RycbjGY6VGfxVEQmZxFssdHwX-zH4Skduwp8eqZ_FwJgdA5EafSXbZ4AWULpPXcF0KyUauTkostEtecbLngp2WpA
OK, another person that cites WalletHub. So there's two people instead of just one. Whee. Just because somebody cites a source doesn't mean that the source is knowledgeable.
I, too, had never heard of "WalletHub" until Lord Carhorn started citing it. Apparently WalletHub is a personal finance web site (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WalletHub), so I wouldn't expect them to be experts in travel and tourism.
I found my wife on Wallethub.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 28, 2022, 10:56:01 PM
I found my wife on Wallethub.
Did she have to convert Wallethubism? If so, did she go through trials of the flattening to be baptized properly?
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
But it only counts if the rankings are pro-Illinois. Cherry picking data is a required practice of Wallethubism.
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
I really don't want to defend Crash_It, but both of those lists broadly agree with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_Human_Development_Index.
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
There is NOTHING relevant about that. We really don't care where Illinois ranks or our states rank this website does nothing to prove anything. Just because wallethub says something it's the tell all and must be 100% true. Yeah right. If Illinois is one of the best states to live in how come it's losing population?
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
I don't think Alanland is Illinois levels of flat after the annexation of Virginia Oblast and Pittsburgh Oblast. Goat Jesus would be pissed but yet indifferent to Wallethubism.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 29, 2022, 09:53:50 AM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
There is NOTHING relevant about that. We really don't care where Illinois ranks or our states rank this website does nothing to prove anything. Just because wallethub says something it's the tell all and must be 100% true. Yeah right. If Illinois is one of the best states to live in how come it's losing population?
It's actually not losing population. Knew you would pipe up with that 😂:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-undercounted-in-2020-census-actually-grew-to-13-million-the-states-largest-population-ever/2837753/
Shoot and score!! ⛹🏾♂️🏀🗑️
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
Lmao you care about the stats for both of my states much more than I do. I posted the link for that list because I don't care that both IN and OH are lower than IL and waiting for you to pointlessly point that out (which you just did). Guess this is what happens when you're a huge Illinois shill.
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 29, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
Lmao you care about the stats for both of my states much more than I do. I posted the link for that list because I don't care that both IN and OH are lower than IL and waiting for you to pointlessly point that out (which you just did). Guess this is what happens when you're a huge Illinois shill.
If you're going to point something like that out, you gotta make sure that you are from somewhere that has it going on.
Did you know that Indiana is bordered entirely by states that people take vacations to?
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 29, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
Lmao you care about the stats for both of my states much more than I do. I posted the link for that list because I don't care that both IN and OH are lower than IL and waiting for you to pointlessly point that out (which you just did). Guess this is what happens when you're a huge Illinois shill.
If you're going to point something like that out, you gotta make sure that you are from somewhere that has it going on.
What's the "it" you have in mind?
Also, note that I haven't chose where personally I want to live in yet. My current locations are my parents' choice and the location of my college (and no, I look at qualities of the school itself much more than "which state is it in" when applying to colleges 2 years ago).
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 29, 2022, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 29, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
Lmao you care about the stats for both of my states much more than I do. I posted the link for that list because I don't care that both IN and OH are lower than IL and waiting for you to pointlessly point that out (which you just did). Guess this is what happens when you're a huge Illinois shill.
If you're going to point something like that out, you gotta make sure that you are from somewhere that has it going on.
What's the "it" you have in mind?
Also, note that I haven't chose where personally I want to live in yet. My current locations are my parents' choice and the location of my college (and no, I look at qualities of the school itself much more than "which state is it in" when applying to colleges 2 years ago).
Illinois has a higher GDP than both those states combined. Also has:
-More state parks and county forest preserves, even has some municipal nature preserves. All are
free (though some on the county and municipal levels aren't unless you live there).
-Better quality restaurants
-Better drinking water quality
-More lakes
-better paying jobs
I can go on and on. All of those things are what the wallethub articles I've cited were alluding to.
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 29, 2022, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 29, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on May 29, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Lord Carhorn's almighty god Wallethub says that Wisconsin is #6 and Illinois is #18 for "Best states to live in (https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617)" :-D
I don't know why you're laughing, even on that dated report... It's still a higher rating than both of your states (Indiana and Ohio). Here's a more updated and relevant report:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-for-millennials/33371
Even this report which isn't as recent as the former but more updated than your own ranks Illinois higher than any of the 4xx Zip code states
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-raise-a-family/31065
Lmao you care about the stats for both of my states much more than I do. I posted the link for that list because I don't care that both IN and OH are lower than IL and waiting for you to pointlessly point that out (which you just did). Guess this is what happens when you're a huge Illinois shill.
If you're going to point something like that out, you gotta make sure that you are from somewhere that has it going on.
What's the "it" you have in mind?
Also, note that I haven't chose where personally I want to live in yet. My current locations are my parents' choice and the location of my college (and no, I look at qualities of the school itself much more than "which state is it in" when applying to colleges 2 years ago).
Illinois has a higher GDP than both those states combined. Also has:
-More state parks and county forest preserves, even has some municipal nature preserves. All are free (though some on the county and municipal levels aren't unless you live there).
-Better quality restaurants
-Better drinking water quality
-More lakes
-better paying jobs
I can go on and on. All of those things are what the wallethub articles I've cited were alluding to.
And I'm sure a lot of those would be cited differently in non-Wallethub articles. But then again, I'm not trying to start a Wallethub-centric religious movement based around cherry picking favorable factoid articles.
Did anyone actually look at the Human Development Index link I posted above? It actually shows Illinois far ahead of its states to the east, but not Illinois vs. Wisconsin – exactly the same as the two WalletHub links.
Quote from: 1 on May 29, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Did anyone actually look at the Human Development Index link I posted above? It actually shows Illinois far ahead of its states to the east, but not Illinois vs. Wisconsin – exactly the same as the two WalletHub links.
Get out of here with your sensible logic. This is about religious devotion, proven fact.
Wallethub
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 29, 2022, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 29, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Did anyone actually look at the Human Development Index link I posted above? It actually shows Illinois far ahead of its states to the east, but not Illinois vs. Wisconsin – exactly the same as the two WalletHub links.
Get out of here with your sensible logic. This is about religious devotion, proven fact.
3. Minnesota
7. North Dakota
13. Nebraska
20 (tie). Iowa
22 (tie).
Illinois/Wisconsin
Yep. Illinois, leaps and bounds above the competition...
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 29, 2022, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 29, 2022, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 29, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Did anyone actually look at the Human Development Index link I posted above? It actually shows Illinois far ahead of its states to the east, but not Illinois vs. Wisconsin – exactly the same as the two WalletHub links.
Get out of here with your sensible logic. This is about religious devotion, proven fact.
3. Minnesota
7. North Dakota
13. Nebraska
20 (tie). Iowa
22 (tie). Illinois/Wisconsin
Yep. Illinois, leaps and bounds above the competition...
Still above average and that data is 3 years old. I see it being updated soon to reflect the wallethub rankings.
Quote from: Crash_It on May 30, 2022, 02:16:06 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 29, 2022, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 29, 2022, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 29, 2022, 02:17:18 PM
Did anyone actually look at the Human Development Index link I posted above? It actually shows Illinois far ahead of its states to the east, but not Illinois vs. Wisconsin – exactly the same as the two WalletHub links.
Get out of here with your sensible logic. This is about religious devotion, proven fact.
3. Minnesota
7. North Dakota
13. Nebraska
20 (tie). Iowa
22 (tie). Illinois/Wisconsin
Yep. Illinois, leaps and bounds above the competition...
Still above average and that data is 3 years old. I see it being updated soon to reflect the wallethub rankings.
Wait...do you actually think the United Nations calculates the Human Development Index based on Wallethub rankings?
I think the actual average would be an average of all of the HDIs, rather than the list itself.
Just don't retire there. Nope, no way. Bad idea. Four months ago, WalletHub ranked Illinois #45 in the nation.
(Wisconsin ranked #15.)
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-to-retire/18592
And don't plan on getting a job there. When it comes to employment rebounding since the pandemic drop-off, a WalletHub report from less than two weeks ago found Illinois to be #42 in the nation.
(Wisconsin ranked #14.)
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-unemployment-rates/74907
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 02:19:06 PM
Just don't retire there. Nope, no way. Bad idea. Four months ago, WalletHub ranked Illinois #45 in the nation.
(Wisconsin ranked #15.)
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-to-retire/18592
And don't plan on getting a job there. When it comes to employment rebounding since the pandemic drop-off, a WalletHub report from less than two weeks ago found Illinois to be #42 in the nation.
(Wisconsin ranked #14.)
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-unemployment-rates/74907
Michigan didn't rank too well here but don't leave out that Indiana was ranked #3.
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 02:19:06 PM
Just don't retire there. Nope, no way. Bad idea. Four months ago, WalletHub ranked Illinois #45 in the nation.
(Wisconsin ranked #15.)
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-to-retire/18592
Illinois is only ranked badly because people in Illinois don't see it as retiring if they stay in the same state.
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 02:19:06 PM
And don't plan on getting a job there. When it comes to employment rebounding since the pandemic drop-off, a WalletHub report from less than two weeks ago found Illinois to be #42 in the nation.
(Wisconsin ranked #14.)
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-unemployment-rates/74907
Obviously, people in Illinois are too busy having fun to get jobs again. This is why Wisconsin, a less fun state according to WalletHub, has much better unemployment.
Well played, sir. :clap:
Illinois was declared inferior to Minnesota and Iowa by Wallethub and Crash_It. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
Quote from: Crash_It on January 25, 2023, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 25, 2023, 07:27:17 AM
That's why it's called an estimate.
Which is not to be taken seriously. It's only misinformation spread by conservative fear mongering blogs to make Illinois look bad when it actually is one of the best states to raise a family.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2023, 10:17:26 AM
Illinois was declared inferior to Minnesota and Iowa by Wallethub and Crash_It. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
Crash_It has consistently praised Minnesota whenever the topic comes up, both a few months ago and a few days ago. It's not inconsistent with his beliefs. (And I personally believe Minnesota is one of the best states if you can handle the temperature extremes.) Iowa, on the other hand...
I lost internet for 5 minutes while I was typing this.
I have cousins in Duluth and I always enjoyed the outdoor access much of the state provided. Certainly seemed superior (ironically on Lake Superior) to what I experienced day to day living in Chicago.
Minnesota is a nice state, so is Wisconsin and Michigan they are all pretty close to the same though. Each of the three states I mentioned has a ton of lakes, lots of farm land, lots of outdoor activities, scenic drives and so on. And in the NFL each of the three states has a team in the same division, something that they don't in the other three major sports. If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
I heard a news report on the radio a couple mornings ago refer to Wallethub. I don't remember what they were listing - I mentally tuned out once I heard the source.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 25, 2023, 04:45:10 PM
If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
The deleted posts in the Illinois Notes thread said you had nothing against Indiana. It seems like you were lying.
Quote from: 1 on January 26, 2023, 08:01:30 AM
The deleted posts in the Illinois Notes thread said you had nothing against Indiana. It seems like you were lying.
Just because I said that Illinois has more lakes than Indiana doesn't mean I have anything against it. Just stating a fact.
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
Quote from: hbelkins on January 26, 2023, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
No, he's Cabinet Minister of Car Horn Affairs except on the third Tuesday of every month between 2:07-2:21 PM.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 26, 2023, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
We have been greatly mislead if he is the Grand Alan.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 26, 2023, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 26, 2023, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
We have been greatly mislead if he is the Grand Alan.
RGT lost to someone during the last election and attempted coup d'état. I don't think we ever sorted out "who" that someone was.
Quote from: Crash_It on January 26, 2023, 07:56:14 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 25, 2023, 04:45:10 PM
If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 11:21:32 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 26, 2023, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
No, he's Cabinet Minister of Car Horn Affairs except on the third Tuesday of every month between 2:07-2:21 PM.
Is that third Tuesday every month between 2:07-2:21pm the time when he thinks he speaks for all of Illinois when in fact no one inside or outside of the state cares?
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Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
We have been greatly mislead if he is the Grand Alan.
RGT lost to someone during the last election and attempted coup d'état. I don't think we ever sorted out "who" that someone was.
RGT didn't even run in an election. The last election was Alan Merritt (T) vs. Alan Major Deegan (J), which Merritt won. RGT stated loudly to nobody in particular that he was running for an election that wasn't actually going on, never bought a fish hat, and thus committed woosterism without even having an election to run in.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 26, 2023, 05:52:11 PM
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Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
We have been greatly mislead if he is the Grand Alan.
RGT lost to someone during the last election and attempted coup d'état. I don't think we ever sorted out "who" that someone was.
RGT didn't even run in an election. The last election was Alan Merritt (T) vs. Alan Major Deegan (J), which Merritt won. RGT stated loudly to nobody in particular that he was running for an election that wasn't actually going on, never bought a fish hat, and thus committed woosterism without even having an election to run in.
I guess at best RGT would be regarded as an Antialan, similar to the concept of an Antipope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope).
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 26, 2023, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 26, 2023, 10:53:41 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: ET21 on January 26, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 29, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Is Wallethubism the official religion of Alanland?
Yes it is
The Facebook alias used by Crash has the first name "Alan." Coincidence or grand design?
So he is (or is not) the Grand Alan?
We have been greatly mislead if he is the Grand Alan.
RGT lost to someone during the last election and attempted coup d'état. I don't think we ever sorted out "who" that someone was.
RGT didn't even run in an election. The last election was Alan Merritt (T) vs. Alan Major Deegan (J), which Merritt won. RGT stated loudly to nobody in particular that he was running for an election that wasn't actually going on, never bought a fish hat, and thus committed woosterism without even having an election to run in.
I guess at best RGT would be regarded as an Antialan, similar to the concept of an Antipope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope).
I'm not sure. Is Antialan an official or ceremonial posting in Alanland? Is it a combination of both except for certain days and hours?
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 26, 2023, 03:59:11 PM
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 26, 2023, 03:59:11 PM
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 26, 2023, 08:58:55 PM
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
There are plenty of units that are part of the USDA , these could easily be considered national parks . Just because the people that you know didn't want to doesn't mean that no one else wants to. The beaches are part of why Chicago is one of the most visited cities in the US and keeps winning Best big city YoY.
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
There are plenty of units that are part of the USDA , these could easily be considered national parks . Just because the people that you know didn't want to doesn't mean that no one else wants to. The beaches are part of why Chicago is one of the most visited cities in the US and keeps winning Best big city YoY.
Fair to say though, that I've had a fair greater sampling of parklands to base my opinion. You can cherry pick your Illinois data, units and factoids all you want it still doesn't chance the fact that most of your travels/experiences are confined to your home state. How do you expect anyone except Illinois homers such as yourself to get on board with what you say with such limited exposure? Can you even plausibly give fully informed opinions on Illinois considering you haven't even visited all the counties?
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
I find it hilarious that you are using the number of state parks in each state. That doesn't mean Illinois is better than Wisconsin or Michigan and it's not. I don't care how many state parks Illinois has.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 25, 2023, 04:45:10 PM
If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
The only difference is state parks are operated by state governments and national parks by the federal government. State parks also usually have more amenities to offer than national parks as well.
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
The beaches are part of why Chicago is one of the most visited cities in the US and keeps winning Best big city YoY.
No it's not.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 25, 2023, 04:45:10 PM
If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
There are plenty of units that are part of the USDA , these could easily be considered national parks . Just because the people that you know didn't want to doesn't mean that no one else wants to. The beaches are part of why Chicago is one of the most visited cities in the US and keeps winning Best big city YoY.
Fair to say though, that I've had a fair greater sampling of parklands to base my opinion. You can cherry pick your Illinois data, units and factoids all you want it still doesn't chance the fact that most of your travels/experiences are confined to your home state. How do you expect anyone except Illinois homers such as yourself to get on board with what you say with such limited exposure? Can you even plausibly give fully informed opinions on Illinois considering you haven't even visited all the counties?
Same here even though he wants to try to discredit where I have been and where I haven't been in Illinois. I guarantee I have more counties clinched in Illinois than he does. Looking at my mob-rule I have 84 counties out of 102 clinched, that's 82.4% of the state's counties. The only part of Illinois I haven't been in is the western part from just south of the Quad Cities to a little north of St. Louis and a little west of Peoria. I would say a state that I have 82.4% of the counties from I have seen plenty of that state I would think.
Here is Crash's Illinois county map:
https://www.facebook.com/100058274311672/posts/pfbid0FK62ErL3vbY97m1cThAm9ToJhxgoNdAatjpJWcWh3NWhcnsEXp36rLo9WUKqpVLvl/?mibextid=gkx3sN
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
There are plenty of units that are part of the USDA , these could easily be considered national parks . Just because the people that you know didn't want to doesn't mean that no one else wants to. The beaches are part of why Chicago is one of the most visited cities in the US and keeps winning Best big city YoY.
Fair to say though, that I've had a fair greater sampling of parklands to base my opinion. You can cherry pick your Illinois data, units and factoids all you want it still doesn't chance the fact that most of your travels/experiences are confined to your home state. How do you expect anyone except Illinois homers such as yourself to get on board with what you say with such limited exposure? Can you even plausibly give fully informed opinions on Illinois considering you haven't even visited all the counties?
Same here even though he wants to try to discredit where I have been and where I haven't been in Illinois. I guarantee I have more counties clinched in Illinois than he does. Looking at my mob-rule I have 84 counties out of 102 clinched, that's 82.4% of the state's counties. The only part of Illinois I haven't been in is the western part from just south of the Quad Cities to a little north of St. Louis and a little west of Peoria. I would say a state that I have 82.4% of the counties from I have seen plenty of that state I would think.
Again, I find that hard to believe with all the statements you make. How's it possible that we've likely been to the same counties and you not have seen either a lake,state park, forest/nature preserve and a good restaurant while I have?
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If you included Illinois they lack the lakes, still have plenty of farm land, the outdoor activities are more limited, Illinois does have scenic drives but not on the scale of the other three states mentioned here. I would say Lakeshore Drive or any of the expressways leading to the Chicago Loop are pretty nice with the Chicago skyline on the horizon but that gets old after awhile. There are still new things I'm finding in Michigan and I've traveled around this state for 4 decades.
There are a few thousand lakes in Illinois, not as much as the other mentioned states but they are here and more numerous than Indiana or Ohio. Also, there are numerous outdoor activities in Illinois. I really don't think that you've traveled Illinois as much as you claim due to this statement. Just within the Chicago area alone, there's a forest preserve within every 5 miles.
Good for those few thousand lakes in Illinois and I don't care about Indiana or Ohio and how many lakes those two states have because they don't have many either. So instead of discussing these numerous outdoor activities you decided to attack how much I've traveled Illinois which is much further than you think it is and that is for damn sure. Oh wonderful, in the Chicago area alone which doesn't consist of very much of the state's land area. I really don't care what you think, I guarantee my travels in life are a lot further than yours are.
No they aren't, not if you're making such statements. I said the Chicago area alone as a baseline, the rest of the state has just as much. There are 309 State Parks in the state alone. That's more than Wisconsin and Michigan combined.
Last I checked the National Park representing Chicago and much of Illinois is in Indiana.
Forgot to look at the Pullman National historic site. That's considered a National park now.
https://www.nps.gov/pull/index.htm
This one will likely be the next addition
https://www.fs.usda.gov/midewin
National parks differ from state parks just like they as well differ from Forest Preserves.
I haven't forgotten about Pullman.
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/05/national-park-wednesday-pullman.html?m=1
Pullman was a National Monument and now is a National Historic Park. Pullman is a "National Park unit" but "Monument" and "National Historic Park" don't exactly have the name brand recognition "National Park" does. The National Parks "mostly" are designated to places with significant natural features. Illinois just doesn't have the natural features worthy of National Park consideration. But that's speaking from the perspective of someone who has actually been to every designated "National Park" in the continental U.S. along with one in Hawaii.
When I lived in Chicago almost nobody I knew went to spend time on Lake Michigan beaches in Illinois. Most of us went to beaches outside the state, most commonly the Indiana Dunes. Personally I'd preferred to drive up to the Sleeping Bear Dunes when time permitted.
There are plenty of units that are part of the USDA , these could easily be considered national parks . Just because the people that you know didn't want to doesn't mean that no one else wants to. The beaches are part of why Chicago is one of the most visited cities in the US and keeps winning Best big city YoY.
Fair to say though, that I've had a fair greater sampling of parklands to base my opinion. You can cherry pick your Illinois data, units and factoids all you want it still doesn't chance the fact that most of your travels/experiences are confined to your home state. How do you expect anyone except Illinois homers such as yourself to get on board with what you say with such limited exposure? Can you even plausibly give fully informed opinions on Illinois considering you haven't even visited all the counties?
Same here even though he wants to try to discredit where I have been and where I haven't been in Illinois. I guarantee I have more counties clinched in Illinois than he does. Looking at my mob-rule I have 84 counties out of 102 clinched, that's 82.4% of the state's counties. The only part of Illinois I haven't been in is the western part from just south of the Quad Cities to a little north of St. Louis and a little west of Peoria. I would say a state that I have 82.4% of the counties from I have seen plenty of that state I would think.
Again, I find that hard to believe with all the statements you make. How's it possible that we've likely been to the same counties and you not have seen either a lake,state park, forest/nature preserve and a good restaurant while I have?
Do you really think I care what you do and don't believe? What do you even mean with all the statements I make? My statements are based on actually traveling to those places unlike you. I bet I've been in more counties in Illinois than you have btw. How do you figure that I haven't seen a lake, state park, forest preserve or a good restaurant? Where do you get that odd idea from? Just because I don't rank Illinois very high in catergories doesn't mean I haven't been there, doesn't mean that my travels are limited there. I've been to Chicago thousands of times in my life and I really don't care if you believe that or not. Your opinion means nothing to me.
The 18 counties I haven't been to in Illinois are Mercer, Henderson, Warren, Hancock McDonough, Fulton, Adams, Mason, Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Pike, Brown and Schuyler. All the other 84 counties in the state I have been to.
Maybe it's just familiarity breeding contempt but I've never really enjoyed living in the Twin Cities, going back to being a kid. That said somehow I have only found one area I would choose to live in over this area. MSP is one of those cities that's deceptively small in the sense that the reputation of not being the most welcome to outsiders (matching the frosty weather) is definitely still perceptible even though I'm not an outsider. The city feels...fake, somehow, I guess.
For me with Detroit, Metro Detroit and Lansing the factors that spurred me to move primarily were:
1. I didn't want to work in the auto industry (working at a garage in high school sucked, but paid well)
2. I didn't want to compete with tenured union employees for jobs.
3. I was tired of Midwest winters.
With Chicago, I could have gone back there and moved in with my Dad after high school. All the same I didn't want to live with either of my parents after I turned 18. Chicago didn't have much to offer someone entering the workforce to compel me enough to go back. To that end, Crash keeps saying Chicago is great for millennials because "insert site" said. What are is the criteria being used by those sites? The kitchen was certainly bare when I was entering the job market two decades ago, what has supposedly changed?.
I ultimately drove across the country to Phoenix and rented a room from my brother for a year until I got established enough to get my own apartment. I was definitely much happier in Phoenix and there was a lot more opportunities (especially at the time) for someone out of high school trying to establish themselves in the job market.
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Crash keeps saying Chicago is great for millennials because "insert site" said. What are is the criteria being used by those sites?
kphoger agrees: low cost of living with decent public transportation.
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Aside from, say, the top five most expensive cities to live in, where can a single person not find a studio apartment for less than $800 a month? Or at least a two-bedroom apartment that he or she could split in half with a roommate? Chicago, for example, which has excellent transit and whose monthly transit pass is just a hair over $100, has plenty of 2BR apartments for less than $900 a month. Split that with a roommate, and your rent is less than $450. Back in 2005 or so, I used to live in Wheaton (a nice suburb of Chicago) and split a nice 2BR apartment with two roommates, and rent for each of us was less than $300 a month.
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As Detroit has continued to decline I have found myself to like it less and less. When I was a kid I thought Detroit was cool, it was one of the largest cities in the country I believe it was 6th when I was born, it's out of the top 25 now. About 20 years ago I would go to Detroit about as often as I could which was just about every weekend I would stay in the city with my uncle who lived off of Greenfield near Grand River he lives in Fenton now but it didn't seem to be that bad of a neighborhood back then. I remember on my birthday in 2003 I went to the Yankees-Tigers game where Roger Clemens was going for this 300th win, Comerica was packed and the Tigers were awful (that was the year they lost 119 games) anyway I went down to Detroit early that day and went up to the box office as soon as they opened at 9 got tickets to the game and my dad was still in Saginaw coming toward Detroit so I thought well I'll drive to Rosedale Park which is a neighborhood on Detroit's west side, drove around there then got the idea of driving around Brightmoor which is another neighborhood on Detroit's west side where there was a lot of crime. I never felt unsafe driving around there or even getting out of my car to go inside a gas station or fast food restaurant or whatever. But now I think about it and Detroit is a shithole it truly is. You think I attack cities and places out of my state, the truth is I attack the cities in my state more than anywhere else. I attack Detroit, Saginaw, Flint, Lansing, Kalamazoo, the only one I don't attack is Grand Rapids even though I could probably find something about that city to attack too. And as a Chicago sports fan I have been to several games in Chicago. At no point did I feel unsafe anywhere I went in Chicago either. I walked all over the Bridgeport neighborhood which is just west of Comiskey Park, I walked from the Blue Line station to the United Center and that's in an even rougher part of town than Comiskey is. I remember being at Wrigley one time in 2005 and I was rooting for Boston, I was putting on a pretty good disguise telling everyone that I was from Boston, talking in a Boston accent and everything. This Cubs fan at Wrigley tells me that it's much safer around Wrigley than it is Comiskey and acting like a tourist I went along with him and was like oh ok guess I won't go there, even though I had been to several more Sox games than Cubs games since I'm a Sox fan and not a Cubs fan. As far as that goes I find the area around Wrigley to be a bit more unsafe than the area around Comiskey. When I drove through Englewood I wasn't scared. Same with Auburn-Gresham or Greater Grand Crossing or any of those Southside neighborhoods.
One thing Chicago has going good for it is it does have a pretty good public transportation system. You have the CTA, Pace and Metra. The CTA runs the city buses and the L, Pace is the suburban bus system and Metra is the commuter rail system. All three do pretty well.
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Crash keeps saying Chicago is great for millennials because "insert site" said. What are is the criteria being used by those sites?
kphoger agrees: low cost of living with decent public transportation.
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Aside from, say, the top five most expensive cities to live in, where can a single person not find a studio apartment for less than $800 a month? Or at least a two-bedroom apartment that he or she could split in half with a roommate? Chicago, for example, which has excellent transit and whose monthly transit pass is just a hair over $100, has plenty of 2BR apartments for less than $900 a month. Split that with a roommate, and your rent is less than $450. Back in 2005 or so, I used to live in Wheaton (a nice suburb of Chicago) and split a nice 2BR apartment with two roommates, and rent for each of us was less than $300 a month.
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That's actually not as bad as I thought it might be. For comparison same I was paying between $525-$639 monthly for one bedroom apartments during the 2002-2006 and 2010-2013 eras in Phoenix. I paid about $800 for a one bedroom in Orlando during 2014-2015 and $1,100 for a two bedroom from 2016-17 in Hanford, CA. Our mortgage is about the same as what I was paying for the apartment in Hanford.
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Crash keeps saying Chicago is great for millennials because "insert site" said. What are is the criteria being used by those sites?
kphoger agrees: low cost of living with decent public transportation.
Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2020, 12:32:27 PM
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Aside from, say, the top five most expensive cities to live in, where can a single person not find a studio apartment for less than $800 a month? Or at least a two-bedroom apartment that he or she could split in half with a roommate? Chicago, for example, which has excellent transit and whose monthly transit pass is just a hair over $100, has plenty of 2BR apartments for less than $900 a month. Split that with a roommate, and your rent is less than $450. Back in 2005 or so, I used to live in Wheaton (a nice suburb of Chicago) and split a nice 2BR apartment with two roommates, and rent for each of us was less than $300 a month.
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That's actually not as bad as I thought it might be. For comparison same I was paying between $525-$639 monthly for one bedroom apartments during the 2002-2006 and 2010-2013 eras in Phoenix. I paid about $800 for a one bedroom in Orlando during 2014-2015 and $1,100 for a two bedroom from 2016-17 in Hanford, CA. Our mortgage is about the same as what I was paying for the apartment in Hanford.
Yeah, I mentioned some of this in some now-deleted comments in the Illinois Notes thread (and, to the best of my knowledge, none of what I'm about to repeat was the reason those comments were deleted), but the cost of living in Chicago is dirt-cheap compared to DC or NYC. In fact, when we drove to DC a year ago, we stayed at a 2-bedroom, 1-bath, third-floor walkup in Alexandria that would have cost more money to buy than our 3-bedroom, 2.5-bath townhouse on the Far North Side.
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The 18 counties I haven't been to in Illinois are Mercer, Henderson, Warren, Hancock McDonough, Fulton, Adams, Mason, Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Pike, Brown and Schuyler. All the other 84 counties in the state I have been to.
Some of the most scenic counties in the state according to the topographical view on Google maps, from what I've seen in videos from another road geek. I've been to Jersey,Greene and McDonough and they are all very scenic. It's no wonder you say that IL is mostly flat and boring. Even elsewhere like Madison County etc can have very dynamic terrain. Same thing with the Peoria area and the West-northwest-Southwest suburbs of Chicago. The countries you mention are high on my must visit and film list. Bottom line, IL is not the drab and bland state that you are making it out to be.
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Even elsewhere like Madison County etc can have very dynamic terrain.
Does it have synergy too? Be sure to note that in your first-quarter KPI report.
I think "dynamic terrain" means the land is alive and moving. And it might be out to get you.
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I think "dynamic terrain" means the land is alive and moving. And it might be out to get you.
Now that I think about it "dynamic terrain" does sound like an option in MapTool (https://www.rptools.net/toolbox/maptool/), probably on a menu right between "Fog of War" and "Vision Blocking Layer".
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 27, 2023, 01:55:07 PM
The 18 counties I haven't been to in Illinois are Mercer, Henderson, Warren, Hancock McDonough, Fulton, Adams, Mason, Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Pike, Brown and Schuyler. All the other 84 counties in the state I have been to.
Some of the most scenic counties in the state according to the topographical view on Google maps
Seeing something on Google versus seeing it reality are very different things. Funny, usually GSV is the argument most people make with Google. I don't think that I've seen anyone cite the terrain feature?
Apparently hills cannot be ugly. Who knew?
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Apparently hills cannot be ugly. Who knew?
Can any dynamic terrain be considered ugly?
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The 18 counties I haven't been to in Illinois are Mercer, Henderson, Warren, Hancock McDonough, Fulton, Adams, Mason, Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Pike, Brown and Schuyler. All the other 84 counties in the state I have been to.
Some of the most scenic counties in the state according to the topographical view on Google maps, from what I've seen in videos from another road geek. I've been to Jersey,Greene and McDonough and they are all very scenic. It's no wonder you say that IL is mostly flat and boring. Even elsewhere like Madison County etc can have very dynamic terrain. Same thing with the Peoria area and the West-northwest-Southwest suburbs of Chicago. The countries you mention are high on my must visit and film list. Bottom line, IL is not the drab and bland state that you are making it out to be.
Good for you there's something that I've seen that you haven't seen very much of obviously since you're such a biased homer for Illinois and that's other states there's only three states east of the Mississippi River that I haven't been to that's Maine, New Hampshire and Delaware. There are 49 other states in this country other than Illinois.
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The 18 counties I haven't been to in Illinois are Mercer, Henderson, Warren, Hancock McDonough, Fulton, Adams, Mason, Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Pike, Brown and Schuyler. All the other 84 counties in the state I have been to.
Some of the most scenic counties in the state according to the topographical view on Google maps, from what I've seen in videos from another road geek. I've been to Jersey,Greene and McDonough and they are all very scenic. It's no wonder you say that IL is mostly flat and boring. Even elsewhere like Madison County etc can have very dynamic terrain. Same thing with the Peoria area and the West-northwest-Southwest suburbs of Chicago. The countries you mention are high on my must visit and film list. Bottom line, IL is not the drab and bland state that you are making it out to be.
There are 49 other states in this country other than Illinois.
I know that.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 27, 2023, 01:55:07 PM
The 18 counties I haven't been to in Illinois are Mercer, Henderson, Warren, Hancock McDonough, Fulton, Adams, Mason, Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey, Calhoun, Pike, Brown and Schuyler. All the other 84 counties in the state I have been to.
Some of the most scenic counties in the state according to the topographical view on Google maps, from what I've seen in videos from another road geek. I've been to Jersey,Greene and McDonough and they are all very scenic. It's no wonder you say that IL is mostly flat and boring. Even elsewhere like Madison County etc can have very dynamic terrain. Same thing with the Peoria area and the West-northwest-Southwest suburbs of Chicago. The countries you mention are high on my must visit and film list. Bottom line, IL is not the drab and bland state that you are making it out to be.
There are 49 other states in this country other than Illinois.
I know that.
According to your statements here it doesn't look like you do.
Illinois isn’t the only flat state. In addition to Illinois, I’ve been to central Nebraska, eastern Colorado, western Kansas, north Texas, and eastern New Mexico and they were also flat.
There, that better?
He acts as if saying that Illinois is a flat state is a bad thing. Compared to the other 49 states Illinois is pretty flat.
:popcorn: :popcorn:
West Virginia is about the least flat state and yet I don't think anyone is trying to claim it's the best state or anything. Heck, it's rare that people from there even say anything nice about it.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 28, 2023, 09:16:28 AM
He acts as if saying that Illinois is a flat state is a bad thing. Compared to the other 49 states Illinois is pretty flat.
Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Delaware are all flatter.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 28, 2023, 09:16:28 AM
He acts as if saying that Illinois is a flat state is a bad thing. Compared to the other 49 states Illinois is pretty flat.
Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Delaware are all flatter.
Might want to check in with Tom from the Chicago Tribune.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on January 28, 2023, 09:16:28 AM
He acts as if saying that Illinois is a flat state is a bad thing. Compared to the other 49 states Illinois is pretty flat.
Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Delaware are all flatter.
So 46th out of 50? That's not very good.
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He acts as if saying that Illinois is a flat state is a bad thing. Compared to the other 49 states Illinois is pretty flat.
Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Delaware are all flatter.
So 46th out of 50? That's not very good.
And at least all of those have the ocean/Gulf. Love the Great Lakes and struggle to see myself moving away from them, but they ain't the ocean.
Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
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Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
49/56 in terms of relief, beating out Indiana which is 50/56 and again also beating out those other states I listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation?wprov=sfla1
Elevation of a high point says nothing about how flat a state is.
A state's high point could be an elevation of 1500 ft with most almost all of the state being at 1499 ft except for the high point.
What is it like being the guy who "defends the honor of Illinois?" I can't imagine that you are engaging a thankful task given how much pushback you get in the road community. How did you know when it was your calling in life?
I mean, I have a favorite state too, but I don't think I'd ever talk it up as much as Crash does Illinois.
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I mean, I have a favorite state too, but I don't think I'd ever talk it up as much as Crash does Illinois.
What state? We all know it sure as hell isn't Oklahoma based on how you speak of it.
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Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
49/56 in terms of relief, beating out Indiana which is 50/56 and again also beating out those other states I listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation?wprov=sfla1
Elevation of a high point says nothing about how flat a state is.
A state's high point could be an elevation of 1500 ft with most almost all of the state being at 1499 ft except for the high point.
Who in the hell cares?
Elevation of a high point does too tell you how flat a state is. If a state's high point is 1,500 feet with most almost all of the state being at 1,499 feet expect for the high point then that state would indeed be flat.
It's really mind boggling how biased toward Illinois you are. You are perhaps the only member of this forum like that. You don't see me being a Michigan homer and I actually talk about other states that I have been to. Not my fault or anyone else's that your travels are limited.
I have a few favorite states, Texas and Tennessee are two that aren't Michigan that I like.
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 03, 2023, 06:46:36 AM
Elevation of a high point does too tell you how flat a state is. If a state's high point is 1,500 feet with most almost all of the state being at 1,499 feet expect for the high point then that state would indeed be flat.
Kansas is flat but not level. There's over a 3,000 foot difference between its eastern edge and its western edge, but it's a steady incline.
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I mean, I have a favorite state too, but I don't think I'd ever talk it up as much as Crash does Illinois.
What state? We all know it sure as hell isn't Oklahoma based on how you speak of it.
I visited Nevada this past October and am quite fond of it now, enough that my wife and I are considering moving there.
Arizona probably is still my favorite state. I would love to live there again, just not in Phoenix.
I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. People are very accepting of LGBT people and other conditions such as autism; even some of the Christian churches have rainbow flags. As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country. While Boston drivers are known for being aggressive, the crash rate is low compared to other states, which means something's being done right here.
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Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
49/56 in terms of relief, beating out Indiana which is 50/56 and again also beating out those other states I listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation?wprov=sfla1
Elevation of a high point says nothing about how flat a state is.
A state's high point could be an elevation of 1500 ft with most almost all of the state being at 1499 ft except for the high point.
Who in the hell cares?
Elevation of a high point does too tell you how flat a state is. If a state's high point is 1,500 feet with most almost all of the state being at 1,499 feet expect for the high point then that state would indeed be flat.
It's really mind boggling how biased toward Illinois you are. You are perhaps the only member of this forum like that. You don't see me being a Michigan homer and I actually talk about other states that I have been to. Not my fault or anyone else's that your travels are limited.
Who said that my travels are limited? I certainly didn't say that, I just want to discover my home state a lot more before truly venturing out. But I've been to other states such as Indiana (even visited it's high point), Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio (almost visited it's high point), Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia , Wisconsin and Missouri. I know enough about each of those states to say that Illinois has the best food out of all of them.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
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Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
49/56 in terms of relief, beating out Indiana which is 50/56 and again also beating out those other states I listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation?wprov=sfla1
Elevation of a high point says nothing about how flat a state is.
A state's high point could be an elevation of 1500 ft with most almost all of the state being at 1499 ft except for the high point.
Who in the hell cares?
Elevation of a high point does too tell you how flat a state is. If a state's high point is 1,500 feet with most almost all of the state being at 1,499 feet expect for the high point then that state would indeed be flat.
It's really mind boggling how biased toward Illinois you are. You are perhaps the only member of this forum like that. You don't see me being a Michigan homer and I actually talk about other states that I have been to. Not my fault or anyone else's that your travels are limited.
Who said that my travels are limited? I certainly didn't say that, I just want to discover my home state a lot more before truly venturing out. But I've been to other states such as Indiana (even visited it's high point), Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio (almost visited it's high point), Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia , Wisconsin and Missouri. I know enough about each of those states to say that Illinois has the best food out of all of them.
A lot of us have been saying your travels are limited based on where you said you've been. Considering you haven't even been to all the counties in Illinois how exactly are your opinions on ranking cuisine compared to other states truly representative?
Hitting on the county clinching further, what qualifies you as an expert on Illinois considering you haven't visited them all?
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
I find it hard to give Crash the "benefit of the doubt" based off other things he's said that were and/or bordered hate speech.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
I find it hard to give Crash the "benefit of the doubt" based off other things he's said that were and/or bordered hate speech.
If we're assuming the worst about Crash's intent, then he's living in the wrong state.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
And this is why I didn't give the benefit of the doubt. I find it odd that the guy who has admitted to hitting on a woman (from Wisconsin no less) young enough to be his daughter is worried about being hit on by someone who is trans.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
That's what I was afraid of. You can take that shit to literally any state that borders Illinois; it'll be very welcome there.
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Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
49/56 in terms of relief, beating out Indiana which is 50/56 and again also beating out those other states I listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation?wprov=sfla1
Elevation of a high point says nothing about how flat a state is.
A state's high point could be an elevation of 1500 ft with most almost all of the state being at 1499 ft except for the high point.
Who in the hell cares?
Elevation of a high point does too tell you how flat a state is. If a state's high point is 1,500 feet with most almost all of the state being at 1,499 feet expect for the high point then that state would indeed be flat.
It's really mind boggling how biased toward Illinois you are. You are perhaps the only member of this forum like that. You don't see me being a Michigan homer and I actually talk about other states that I have been to. Not my fault or anyone else's that your travels are limited.
Who said that my travels are limited? I certainly didn't say that, I just want to discover my home state a lot more before truly venturing out. But I've been to other states such as Indiana (even visited it's high point), Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio (almost visited it's high point), Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia , Wisconsin and Missouri. I know enough about each of those states to say that Illinois has the best food out of all of them.
You did. You have also stated that the furthest you have been to in Michigan is Niles so I'd like to ask you now how in the world would you know enough about Michigan to say that Illinois has better food? This is pretty ridiculous to be quite honest. Chicago has great food choices but the rest of the state is very average to below average. You couldn't even begin to comment on the food choices around the Detroit area because since you have only been as far as Niles that means you've never been to Detroit to know what you are talking about. Do you want me to say congratulations for making it 5 miles into Michigan before turning around?
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
I'm not too worried about being Funky Cold Medina'd to care about that problem. Been with the same woman for almost 25 years, I wouldn't know if someone was hitting on me if my life depending on it.
Thanks for making me regret giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
First rule of holes: "When you find yourself in one, quit digging."
Unless your purpose is to display to us your trans-phobic attitudes.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
First rule of holes: "When you find yourself in one, quit digging."
Unless your purpose is to display to us your trans-phobic attitudes.
If he digs a good enough hole he can bless his state with some actual topography.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
First rule of holes: "When you find yourself in one, quit digging."
Unless your purpose is to display to us your trans-phobic attitudes.
If he digs a good enough hole he can bless his state with some actual topography.
Last update he gave he was pursuing a woman from Wisconsin. I guess Wisconsin isn't all bad after all.
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I know enough about each of those states to say that Illinois has the best food out of all of them.
I'll say! You can buy tacos at Hardees in Illinois. :-D
Obviously Chicago makes the entire state punch above its weight. And I do enjoy me some Portillos from time to time. Glad they're expanding.
But outside of Chicagoland, Illinois is a continuation of the rest of the Corn Belt in terms of the foodie scene, in my frequent travels. Yeah you got a few gems scattered around, but no more so than adjacent areas.
Compare it to, say, Texas, which has a reputation of having so many good BBQ joints that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one.
Or Louisiana with its distinct Cajun take on everything.
Of course, saying IL is better than any state it borders in terms of food; that's really not saying much. The entire Midwest doesn't have particularly distinct food reputation. Just something about deep frying, I guess. Too many northern Europeans with bland palettes settled here. :P
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
And this is why I didn't give the benefit of the doubt. I find it odd that the guy who has admitted to hitting on a woman (from Wisconsin no less) young enough to be his daughter is worried about being hit on by someone who is trans.
At least that's a woman, someone who is trans is not. Also the bible condemns trans, it does not condemn a man courting a woman so much younger than he is as long as it's not in violation of the ordinances set by authority (laws). If you don't find someone dating a trans offensive but then turn around and find a 40 year old with a 20 year old (not my situation since I'm not 40 but using this as an example) offensive then that's part of the problem. It's hypocrisy.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
I'm not too worried about being Funky Cold Medina'd to care about that problem. Been with the same woman for almost 25 years, I wouldn't know if someone was hitting on me if my life depending on it.
Thanks for making me regret giving you the benefit of the doubt.
If you actually had it happen to you you would feel the same. It was quite a traumatic experience for me.
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I'll take Things That Didn't Happen for $400, Alex.
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I live in Massachusetts, and I think it's the best state, although nearby states aren't far behind. We're #1 in healthcare and education, #1 or very close to it in quality of life, and we don't really have any problems other than the occasional blizzard. (We're getting down to -8°F tonight; this is even rarer than blizzards.) In addition, we had a $5 billion surplus last year. Minimum wage is $15 per hour, and unions are still a thing. . As I was waiting for a bus and talking to someone, one person outright told me she was trans, which I don't think she would have done in many of the states in this country.
As they should. Everyone who is trans should be open about it or have that flag around somewhere denoting it.
Making them have a flag sounds a bit 1930's Germany but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't mean it in that way. How about just let them choose to live their life as they please?
They already do have a flag. That's why I said that. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be hit on by one of them only to discover it when it's too late.
And this is why I didn't give the benefit of the doubt. I find it odd that the guy who has admitted to hitting on a woman (from Wisconsin no less) young enough to be his daughter is worried about being hit on by someone who is trans.
At least that's a woman, someone who is trans is not. Also the bible condemns trans, it does not condemn a man courting a woman so much younger than he is as long as it's not in violation of the ordinances set by authority (laws). If you don't find someone dating a trans offensive but then turn around and find a 40 year old with a 20 year old (not my situation since I'm not 40 but using this as an example) offensive then that's part of the problem. It's hypocrisy.
Did you not graduate high school during 2003? Funny thing about creepers, they find ways to justify the things they do. If you don't like being called out for the questionable behavior you engage in then maybe don't put it out there that you dislike certain groups of people. Interesting you speak of the bible and hypocrisy when all evidence presented points to you having a considerable large amount of hatred.
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Illinois has the lowest state highpoint in the Midwestern region of the United States and Charles Mound where the highest point in Illinois is located is about 1/4 of a mile from the Wisconsin state line so it's almost not even in Illinois. It ranks 45th in the country for state high points. It's 45th as well in difference between the highest and lowest point in the state. Btw, Michigan is hilly in areas, flat in others and I think it's one of the flatter states but Illinois is flatter than Michigan.
Michigan goes from 1,979 feet at Mount Arvon to 571 feet at Lake Erie.
Illinois goes from 1,235 feet at Charles Mound to 279 feet at Cairo in the southern most point in the state.
49/56 in terms of relief, beating out Indiana which is 50/56 and again also beating out those other states I listed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation?wprov=sfla1
Elevation of a high point says nothing about how flat a state is.
A state's high point could be an elevation of 1500 ft with most almost all of the state being at 1499 ft except for the high point.
Who in the hell cares?
Elevation of a high point does too tell you how flat a state is. If a state's high point is 1,500 feet with most almost all of the state being at 1,499 feet expect for the high point then that state would indeed be flat.
It's really mind boggling how biased toward Illinois you are. You are perhaps the only member of this forum like that. You don't see me being a Michigan homer and I actually talk about other states that I have been to. Not my fault or anyone else's that your travels are limited.
Who said that my travels are limited? I certainly didn't say that, I just want to discover my home state a lot more before truly venturing out. But I've been to other states such as Indiana (even visited it's high point), Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio (almost visited it's high point), Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia , Wisconsin and Missouri. I know enough about each of those states to say that Illinois has the best food out of all of them.
You did. You have also stated that the furthest you have been to in Michigan is Niles so I'd like to ask you now how in the world would you know enough about Michigan to say that Illinois has better food? This is pretty ridiculous to be quite honest. Chicago has great food choices but the rest of the state is very average to below average. You couldn't even begin to comment on the food choices around the Detroit area because since you have only been as far as Niles that means you've never been to Detroit to know what you are talking about. Do you want me to say congratulations for making it 5 miles into Michigan before turning around?
This site has Michigan at #17 and Illinois at #5
https://www.farandwide.com/s/us-states-ranked-food-2f86e72cb89c4904
Pizza Transit in Niles was pretty good I'll admit that, there's probably tons of options around Detroit, Lansing etc as well.
In Illinois you can pretty much find good food throughout. In fact, one of the only times I found bad food in Illinois was in a restaurant that was just getting started. Haven't been back there since.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZNfSYKervDG1z5dd7
I expect this discussion to be deleted (please keep my previous post that started this [reply #104], though, although you can delete this one), so I'm going to say this: All the admins are offline, so I emailed Scott5114 using personal email rather than forum PM, since it's that serious. I wasn't expecting my reply #104 to be the reason for him finally getting banned (he isn't yet as of when I'm typing this), but if it means that I get credit for it, I'll take it.
Well, it's not every day I get to roll out of bed and rush straight to the admin panel, but today I sure did!
This thread is now flat.