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Title: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Any Of you Love doghouses Well Your In Luck Here's the best thread ever DogHouse Signals Are the best Post em down below and ill review em
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 27, 2022, 05:03:52 PM
When are we going to get a thread about doghouses for actual dogs?
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Scott5114 on July 27, 2022, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Any Of you Love doghouses Well Your In Luck Here's the best thread ever DogHouse Signals Are the best Post em down below and ill review em

Maybe you should go first.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 27, 2022, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 27, 2022, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Any Of you Love doghouses Well Your In Luck Here's the best thread ever DogHouse Signals Are the best Post em down below and ill review em

Maybe you should go first.

Ask and you shall receive:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31886.0
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: wanderer2575 on July 27, 2022, 06:25:28 PM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Any Of you Love doghouses Well Your In Luck Here's the best thread ever DogHouse Signals Are the best Post em down below and ill review em

I think that might be an English-language message, but with the misspellings and lack of punctuation I'm not sure.  Cripes sake, buddy, at least make an effort.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: davewiecking on July 27, 2022, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 27, 2022, 06:25:28 PM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Any Of you Love doghouses Well Your In Luck Here's the best thread ever DogHouse Signals Are the best Post em down below and ill review em

I think that might be an English-language message, but with the misspellings and lack of punctuation I'm not sure.  Cripes sake, buddy, at least make an effort.

Translation:
The OP posits that Doghouse signals are an improvement on a 4 lamp column (with the 4th position being a green arrow). He wishes to provide his opinion on various specific doghouse signals of which you, the dear readers, might be aware.

This (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9644969,-77.1359612,3a,75y,342.3h,87.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soLyatZoz0i4-0RSehWCAmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) is the newest doghouse signal near me; it was installed last year when this intersection was rebuilt, eliminating 3-way stop signs. It has a dark backplate. When vehicles are present, the left turn arrow is activated at the beginning of the thru green portion of the cycle.

Earlier this month, the green globe in this doghouse stopped working. Otherwise, this is my favorite doghouse signal, because it usually eliminates my last stop before the Beltway.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: plain on July 27, 2022, 08:04:17 PM
That's not the first new MD signals I've seen with backplates. Makes me wonder if more new signals there are going to have them.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Hobart on July 27, 2022, 10:18:52 PM
Here's an old school Indiana example in Gary.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5730753,-87.3561739,3a,41.7y,10.8h,95.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVpoFZxwQvdYvq0PYoobSLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I hate this one, mainly because it gives both directions a protected left when literally nobody wants to make a left turn.

For double trouble, one of the approaches on 25th has an approach with a left turn and a right turn doghouse.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5732601,-87.3563498,3a,48.8y,80.55h,97.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2df3pRdqnESIjem3qeyv0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: plain on July 28, 2022, 04:29:55 PM
Here's a doghouse I'm Henrico County that I almost forgot about. The red aspect is 12" while all the others are 8".

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HcfLzoE935qPYJ6i7
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: steviep24 on July 28, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
These may be some of the last doghouse signals NYSDOT installed before jumping on the FYA bandwagon. NY 441 at Five Mile Line Rd.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1299808,-77.4760277,3a,75y,87.36h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9pbO5WZ6c82-TDFu89JW7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: davewiecking on July 29, 2022, 11:16:04 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 27, 2022, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 27, 2022, 06:25:28 PM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Any Of you Love doghouses Well Your In Luck Here's the best thread ever DogHouse Signals Are the best Post em down below and ill review em

I think that might be an English-language message, but with the misspellings and lack of punctuation I'm not sure.  Cripes sake, buddy, at least make an effort.

Translation:
The OP posits that Doghouse signals are an improvement on a 4 lamp column (with the 4th position being a green arrow). He wishes to provide his opinion on various specific doghouse signals of which you, the dear readers, might be aware.

This (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9644969,-77.1359612,3a,75y,342.3h,87.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soLyatZoz0i4-0RSehWCAmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) is the newest doghouse signal near me; it was installed last year when this intersection was rebuilt, eliminating 3-way stop signs. It has a dark backplate. When vehicles are present, the left turn arrow is activated at the beginning of the thru green portion of the cycle.

Earlier this month, the green globe in this doghouse stopped working. Otherwise, this is my favorite doghouse signal, because it usually eliminates my last stop before the Beltway.

I protest. The OP seemingly promised to review my posted doghouse signal. 48 hours later: nada. Perhaps he/she has been sanctioned for inability to form an actual sentence?
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: hotdogPi on July 30, 2022, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 29, 2022, 11:16:04 PM
I protest. The OP seemingly promised to review my posted doghouse signal. 48 hours later: nada. Perhaps he/she has been sanctioned for inability to form an actual sentence?

Not banned yet. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sort=real_name;start=2300) (link won't work forever)

A00234826, also banned for being incomprehensible, received a warning before a ban, so that will probably happen with Lukeisroads.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Lukeisroads on July 30, 2022, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 30, 2022, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 29, 2022, 11:16:04 PM
I protest. The OP seemingly promised to review my posted doghouse signal. 48 hours later: nada. Perhaps he/she has been sanctioned for inability to form an actual sentence?

Not banned yet. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sort=real_name;start=2300) (link won't work forever)

A00234826, also banned for being incomprehensible, received a warning before a ban, so that will probably happen with Lukeisroads.
I usaly do it for silence i usally dont review until i write my score Thats My Verdict
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Lukeisroads on July 30, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
At All this thread is closed mods lock er up im more better at repling then starting threads
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: kirbykart on July 31, 2022, 07:18:43 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 27, 2022, 03:33:31 PM
Do any of you love doghouse signals? Well, you're in luck! Here's the best thread ever! Doghouse signals are the best. Post your examples down below, and I'll review them.
There you go, Lukeisroads. That is a version of your original post that people can actually read without losing braincells.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: kirbykart on July 31, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 30, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
At All this thread is closed mods lock er up im more better at repling then starting threads
I feel like you must be trolling us with your ridiculously bad spelling and grammar, and your non-existent punctuation.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Lukeisroads on July 31, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on July 31, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 30, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
At All this thread is closed mods lock er up im more better at repling then starting threads
I feel like you must be trolling us with your ridiculously bad spelling and grammar, and your non-existent punctuation.
im actually not kidding im serious
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: mrsman on July 31, 2022, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 31, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on July 31, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 30, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
At All this thread is closed mods lock er up im more better at repling then starting threads
I feel like you must be trolling us with your ridiculously bad spelling and grammar, and your non-existent punctuation.
im actually not kidding im serious

It's indicative of millenials and the younger generations.  Writing in text-speak as opposed to full complete sentences. 

While it is certainly quicker to avoid punctuation and capitalization, at minimum, people posting here should make their comments understandable.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: kirbykart on July 31, 2022, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 31, 2022, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 31, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: kirbykart on July 31, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on July 30, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
At All this thread is closed mods lock er up im more better at repling then starting threads
I feel like you must be trolling us with your ridiculously bad spelling and grammar, and your non-existent punctuation.
im actually not kidding im serious

It's indicative of millenials and the younger generations.  Writing in text-speak as opposed to full complete sentences. 

While it is certainly quicker to avoid punctuation and capitalization, at minimum, people posting here should make their comments understandable.
Yeah, I'm just trying to make his comments understandable. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Scott5114 on July 31, 2022, 01:40:39 PM
Quote from: Alex on May 21, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
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Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: hotdogPi on July 31, 2022, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2022, 01:40:39 PM
Quote from: Alex on May 21, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
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Case law with A00234826 says otherwise. The rule you're quoting was added in July or August 2013, within a month of when I joined (not sure whether before or after). A00234826 was active in 2014. Look through the threads they created, and there are posters telling them the correct spelling of municipalities in Massachusetts (and Gillette Stadium) after they repeatedly misspelled them, making jokes about it (pretending Subary was a variant of Subaru instead of Sudbury; singing opera involved in "serves arias" intending service areas), creating custom BGSes with their misspellings, and Alps formally warning them that they would be banned if they couldn't type coherently.

This rule also wasn't enforced with lucas01aswell, 2016-2018.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Scott5114 on July 31, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
Stare decisis? In my web forum? It's less likely than you might think!

To be more precise, the point of the rule is to keep people from nitpicking minor spelling and grammar mistakes, because those sorts of posts take up space without adding anything to the discussion. At a certain point, though, if the spelling and grammar is so bad that that post isn't adding to the discussion, then the pendulum swings the other way. If it's so bad that the person becomes a laughingstock, or their posts are consistently incomprehensible (which would trigger one of the post-quality rules), at that point it's less disruptive to show the bad-spelling person the door than to try to sanction the regulars into submission.

It is also kind of a matter of deciding to pick one's battles. Technically every post that contains just an emoji is against the post-quality rules (because there's really not much way you can come up with a meaningful reply to an emoji). But sometimes the right emoji communicates everything that needs to be said. And it's awkward to have the "hey I know you have 1,078 good posts but this one breaks the rules" conversation unless it's for a really good reason.

And also in 2014 there was a different collection of moderators and we had different standards for banning people. Hell, there's a ban on the books that Jake Bear enacted in 2010 that has the reason for the ban listed as "being a moron". If we could still ban people for simply being a moron, there are quite a few people that would have been shown the door much faster than they actually were.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: traffic light guy on August 18, 2022, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hobart on July 27, 2022, 10:18:52 PM
Here's an old school Indiana example in Gary.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5730753,-87.3561739,3a,41.7y,10.8h,95.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVpoFZxwQvdYvq0PYoobSLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I hate this one, mainly because it gives both directions a protected left when literally nobody wants to make a left turn.

For double trouble, one of the approaches on 25th has an approach with a left turn and a right turn doghouse.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5732601,-87.3563498,3a,48.8y,80.55h,97.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2df3pRdqnESIjem3qeyv0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


I never understood the need for protected right turn signals. It's safe to make a right turn if your approach has a green ball. But it does help improve to flow of traffic.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: US 89 on August 18, 2022, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on August 18, 2022, 05:21:34 PM
It's safe to make a right turn if your approach has a green ball.

Not necessarily true if there's pedestrians.

The right-turn doghouse (or FYA) setup allows a right turn to progress without stopping while the through light is red. Generally this is done if traffic coming from the right has a protected left and is not allowed to u-turn, as this guarantees there will be no pedestrians or other conflicting traffic.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: traffic light guy on August 18, 2022, 05:35:02 PM
Quote from: US 89 on August 18, 2022, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on August 18, 2022, 05:21:34 PM
It's safe to make a right turn if your approach has a green ball.

Not necessarily true if there's pedestrians.

The right-turn doghouse (or FYA) setup allows a right turn to progress without stopping while the through light is red. Generally this is done if traffic coming from the right has a protected left and is not allowed to u-turn, as this guarantees there will be no pedestrians or other conflicting traffic.

Sometimes also done when the intersection is in an all red interval 
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: steviep24 on August 18, 2022, 06:45:16 PM
Rare all 8 inch doghouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dsQ5vFQGuI
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: traffic light guy on August 18, 2022, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on August 18, 2022, 06:45:16 PM
Rare all 8 inch doghouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dsQ5vFQGuI


I don't think I've seen an 8" doghouse in person. I know they're now forbidden as per the MUTCD.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Bitmapped on August 19, 2022, 05:14:29 PM
Doghouses with 8" ball indications and 12" arrows used to be fairly common in NE Ohio. They've largely gone away as part of signal replacement projects, but Massillon OH still has a couple around.

The intersection of Lincoln Way E and Wales Road NE has examples for both left turn and right turn arrows. There are also two variations on how the right-side ball indications are positioned: https://goo.gl/maps/aRCEnAGJndtmdgZW8

16th St SE at Oak Ave SE used to have a back-to-back mounted set of mixed-size doghouses but it was replaced a couple years ago with separate 12" doghouses. Here's the old configuration: https://goo.gl/maps/MfRS3ZfoSmTZnJfc7
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: steviep24 on August 19, 2022, 06:02:26 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on August 19, 2022, 05:14:29 PM
Doghouses with 8" ball indications and 12" arrows used to be fairly common in NE Ohio. They've largely gone away as part of signal replacement projects, but Massillon OH still has a couple around.

The intersection of Lincoln Way E and Wales Road NE has examples for both left turn and right turn arrows. There are also two variations on how the right-side ball indications are positioned: https://goo.gl/maps/aRCEnAGJndtmdgZW8

16th St SE at Oak Ave SE used to have a back-to-back mounted set of mixed-size doghouses but it was replaced a couple years ago with separate 12" doghouses. Here's the old configuration: https://goo.gl/maps/MfRS3ZfoSmTZnJfc7
Canandaigua, NY has a few of those on NY 332.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8879935,-77.2816372,3a,37.5y,158.86h,95.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shoDTf9OK6su50ZW5_UChwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8802946,-77.2762251,3a,37.5y,87.22h,93.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swb1V2m4wwB6gWtSfWTb0FQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8802255,-77.2758216,3a,37.5y,295.51h,94.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soUa2CoLuwtAD2GHJa5Wa5Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: RestrictOnTheHanger on August 19, 2022, 11:47:12 PM
All 8 inch doghouses in Horseheads NY near Elmira

https://maps.app.goo.gl/12XQdvd4SPEq1S959
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: steviep24 on August 20, 2022, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: RestrictOnTheHanger on August 19, 2022, 11:47:12 PM
All 8 inch doghouses in Horseheads NY near Elmira

https://maps.app.goo.gl/12XQdvd4SPEq1S959
Nice find! Looks like a NYSDOT install too.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: traffic light guy on September 01, 2022, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: Bitmapped on August 19, 2022, 05:14:29 PM
Doghouses with 8" ball indications and 12" arrows used to be fairly common in NE Ohio. They've largely gone away as part of signal replacement projects, but Massillon OH still has a couple around.

The intersection of Lincoln Way E and Wales Road NE has examples for both left turn and right turn arrows. There are also two variations on how the right-side ball indications are positioned: https://goo.gl/maps/aRCEnAGJndtmdgZW8

16th St SE at Oak Ave SE used to have a back-to-back mounted set of mixed-size doghouses but it was replaced a couple years ago with separate 12" doghouses. Here's the old configuration: https://goo.gl/maps/MfRS3ZfoSmTZnJfc7

Had to be after the MUTCD banned 8" arrows.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: fwydriver405 on September 12, 2022, 12:21:38 PM
5-section doghouse signals with 8-inch circular indications, and 12-inch arrow indications appear to be common in Burlington VT as well - as of June 11 2022, I haven't seen doghouses in other municipalities in Vermont that use this configuration - they've moved on to using FYA or use all 12-inch heads for the doghouse.

(https://i.ibb.co/fFddGRF/IMG-9164.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T2MMqX2)
(https://i.ibb.co/DWghP4Z/IMG-9166.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jfZm9hS)




A few states down in Georgia... there are a few varients of FYA Doghouses along Piedmont Rd in Atlanta:

Left-turn FYA doghouse for shared left-thru (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8157739,-84.3665559,3a,26.8y,348.6h,90.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHQw2AQ6lrYtaAcFcBRLksA!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
Right-turn FYA doghouse for shared thru-right (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.836931,-84.3684341,3a,23.1y,83.98h,92.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBTslCtd9yvexBt9b9WDsTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Left/Right-turn FYA doghouse (Prot Left, Perm Right) (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8388247,-84.3692796,3a,20.9y,73.55h,94.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skimKIgRQAyyaCrmorUCxmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Not sure if these doghouses give an overlap with the perpendicular compatable left.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: US 89 on September 13, 2022, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: fwydriver405 on September 12, 2022, 12:21:38 PM
A few states down in Georgia... there are a few varients of FYA Doghouses along Piedmont Rd in Atlanta:

Left-turn FYA doghouse for shared left-thru (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8157739,-84.3665559,3a,26.8y,348.6h,90.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHQw2AQ6lrYtaAcFcBRLksA!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
Right-turn FYA doghouse for shared thru-right (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.836931,-84.3684341,3a,23.1y,83.98h,92.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBTslCtd9yvexBt9b9WDsTQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Left/Right-turn FYA doghouse (Prot Left, Perm Right) (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8388247,-84.3692796,3a,20.9y,73.55h,94.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skimKIgRQAyyaCrmorUCxmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Not sure if these doghouses give an overlap with the perpendicular compatable left.

Oh yes, the doghouse FYAs on Piedmont. They are apparently not MUTCD compliant as there is no dedicated left turn lane for them.

Off topic, but I hate that road. There is always a ton of traffic trying to turn left at those flashing yellows and a ton of oncoming traffic, and because there aren't any turn lanes it clogs up the highway. Then when someone gets sick of waiting to turn left and decides to bail, they'll inevitably get in an accident with a car that they didn't see driving way too fast up the middle lane. One of the many things I don't miss about driving in Atlanta.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Lukeisroads on January 26, 2023, 06:17:09 AM
Ok This thread has been dead for quite sometime now why dont we bring it back and post again
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: hotdogPi on January 26, 2023, 06:21:50 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on January 26, 2023, 06:17:09 AM
Ok This thread has been dead for quite sometime now why dont we bring it back and post again

So you want to turn this thread into a zombie.
Title: Re: The Doghouse Thread
Post by: Scott5114 on January 26, 2023, 08:44:38 AM
Quote from: Lukeisroads on January 26, 2023, 06:17:09 AM
Ok This thread has been dead for quite sometime now why dont we bring it back and post again

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