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Title: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Hunty2022 on November 10, 2022, 07:11:47 PM
Is there any counties in your state/province that don't have any State Routes? This excludes County Routes, Secondary Routes, or any route in Texas that doesn't have the word Texas at the bottom and a number on top .

For Virginia, Page County and Essex County lack a state route, though both have two US Highways.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: SD Mapman on November 10, 2022, 07:30:24 PM
Nope, none in WY either.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Scott5114 on November 10, 2022, 07:30:36 PM
I don't believe there are any in Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: jlam on November 10, 2022, 07:46:25 PM
None in Colorado, but there are a few with only state highways (no Interstates or US Routes)
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: MATraveler128 on November 10, 2022, 07:47:24 PM
In Massachusetts, we have Dukes and Nantucket Counties, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket respectively.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 10, 2022, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on November 10, 2022, 07:47:24 PM
In Massachusetts, we have Dukes and Nantucket Counties, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket respectively.

The only two counties in all of New England without one.  Pretty sure we can also eliminate NY, NJ, PA, DE, and MD. 
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: webny99 on November 10, 2022, 07:54:56 PM
None in NY, and I'd be pretty surprised if there's a lot elsewhere in the country aside from oddities like islands, etc. That's because a state route system that doesn't serve all counties in the state really doesn't really make much sense.

Speaking of islands, Rhode Island has Block Island, which has no state routes, but it's also not it's own county.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 10, 2022, 07:55:21 PM
None in California, Arizona and Nevada.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: oscar on November 10, 2022, 08:10:21 PM
In Hawaii, only Kalawao County doesn't have any numbered and posted state routes. But AFAIK Hawaii DOT helps the state department of health (which with the National Park Service co-administers the county) with any major maintenance of its small and isolated road network.

In Alaska, the state DOT maintains most of the road network. But the small subset that has (usually) posted route numbers with one or two digits, in addition to five- or six-digit internal inventory numbers, doesn't include anything in the Aleutians East, Lake and Peninsula, Bristol Bay, Northwest Arctic, Kodiak Island, Yakutat, Sitka, and Wrangell boroughs, or the Aleutians West, Kusilvak, Nome, Bethel, Dillingham, Hoonah-Angoon, or Prince of Wales-Hyder census areas.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Flint1979 on November 10, 2022, 08:13:26 PM
I'm pretty sure that there is at least one state highway in all 83 Michigan counties.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: -- US 175 -- on November 10, 2022, 08:50:49 PM
TX pretty much legislated the possibility of this ever happening out of existence in the very early days of numbered roads in the state.  They wanted at least 1 numbered road to connect a county seat in 1 county, to a county seat in a neighboring county.  So even in the farthest-flung, sparsest-populated counties in TX, there's at least 1 numbered road.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 09:56:16 PM
Cross-posting some edge cases:

Quote from: cl94 on October 24, 2018, 10:12:26 PM
Massachusetts has two counties with no signed state routes (Dukes and Nantucket), but both have state-maintained roads.

Quote from: TEG24601 on October 28, 2018, 02:47:44 PM
Technically, San Juan County in Washington.  It is only served by SR 20 Spur... and that is only if you count the ferry landings as part of the route, even though it never actually travels onto any of the Islands, but the ferry route is part of the State Route.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Dirt Roads on November 10, 2022, 09:56:39 PM
All of West Virginia's 55 counties have state routes, and I'm pretty sure that each of the county seats are served by a state route.  Almost all of these counties also have a U.S. Route in addition to the state routes.

Only 1 State Route
Only 2 State Routes

No U.S. Routes
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on November 10, 2022, 10:34:18 PM
No Indiana county has fewer than 3 state highways.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: flan on November 11, 2022, 12:01:24 AM
Billings County, ND, has no state routes within its borders, but I-94 and U.S. 85 go through the county.

No county in Minnesota is without a state route–Cook County is the closest, only served by MN 61.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: US 89 on November 11, 2022, 12:16:42 AM
There is no county in Utah with fewer than two state routes or three numbered highways. That would be Daggett, which has US 191, SR 43, and SR 44.

All but one have a US and/or Interstate, too. The only one that doesn't is Wayne, and it has four state routes (12, 24, 72, and 95).

There are five more counties that lack a US route, but do have an interstate because the US route was decommissioned in favor of it. Those are Beaver, Iron, Washington (US 91 to I-15), Tooele (US 40 to I-80), and Morgan (US 30S to I-84).
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Bruce on November 11, 2022, 02:05:29 AM
San Juan County, WA only has a ferry route that is part of the state highway system (SR 20 Spur), so it has/lacks a state route depending on how you want to county ferries and bannered routes.

The fewest number of routes for a normal county is 2 (Wahkiakum and Skamania are tied).
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: mgk920 on November 11, 2022, 02:06:36 AM
None here in Wisconsin, either.

Mike
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Otto Yamamoto on November 11, 2022, 08:08:34 AM
Since all highways are actually state highways, including Interstate and US highways, no county in America, short of Alaska and Hawaii would have 'no state "routes', with the exception of of some urban areas, where surface roads might be posted for continuity, like NYC, and even then there are two exceptions: NY 9A(in reality a 9xx route) and NY 440 which is a freeway, but not an Interstate.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: kphoger on November 11, 2022, 10:09:17 AM
Quote from: kphoger on November 10, 2022, 09:56:16 PM
Cross-posting some edge cases:

Quote from: TEG24601 on October 28, 2018, 02:47:44 PM
Technically, San Juan County in Washington.  It is only served by SR 20 Spur... and that is only if you count the ferry landings as part of the route, even though it never actually travels onto any of the Islands, but the ferry route is part of the State Route.


Quote from: Bruce on November 11, 2022, 02:05:29 AM
San Juan County, WA only has a ferry route that is part of the state highway system (SR 20 Spur), so it has/lacks a state route depending on how you want to county ferries and bannered routes.

And don't forget San Juan County, too.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: jlam on November 11, 2022, 10:18:47 AM
Kenedy County, Texas only has US 77 and Concho County (also in Texas) only has US 83 and US 77. Unless you count FM routes.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: wanderer2575 on November 11, 2022, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 10, 2022, 08:13:26 PM
I'm pretty sure that there is at least one state highway in all 83 Michigan counties.

Correct, although two or three are just barely.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: bulldog1979 on November 11, 2022, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on November 11, 2022, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 10, 2022, 08:13:26 PM
I'm pretty sure that there is at least one state highway in all 83 Michigan counties.

Correct, although two or three are just barely.


I come up with four counties that each have just two:

Those last three, all in the Lower Peninsula, essentially have a single north—south and a single east—west highway, while Keweenaw has a single central highway with a loop off it.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: clong on November 11, 2022, 03:17:23 PM
None in AL
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Scott5114 on November 11, 2022, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: Otto Yamamoto on November 11, 2022, 08:08:34 AM
Since all highways are actually state highways, including Interstate and US highways, no county in America, short of Alaska and Hawaii would have 'no state "routes', with the exception of of some urban areas, where surface roads might be posted for continuity, like NYC, and even then there are two exceptions: NY 9A(in reality a 9xx route) and NY 440 which is a freeway, but not an Interstate.

Holy shit, it's Otto Yamamoto. I feel like I just saw a celebrity...
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: hbelkins on November 11, 2022, 07:06:43 PM
This question obviously does not apply in Kentucky, where we have thousands of state numbered highways.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: webny99 on November 11, 2022, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: Otto Yamamoto on November 11, 2022, 08:08:34 AM
Since all highways are actually state highways, including Interstate and US highways, no county in America, short of Alaska and Hawaii would have 'no state "routes', with the exception of of some urban areas, where surface roads might be posted for continuity, like NYC, and even then there are two exceptions: NY 9A(in reality a 9xx route) and NY 440 which is a freeway, but not an Interstate.

And NY 440 is actually the only state route in Richmond County (Staten Island). Kings County (Brooklyn) also has just one, NY 27. I believe those are the only two counties with only one state route.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: dvferyance on November 11, 2022, 08:26:04 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on November 11, 2022, 02:06:36 AM
None here in Wisconsin, either.

Mike
I beleive Door has the fewest with just 2.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: gonealookin on November 11, 2022, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 10, 2022, 07:55:21 PM
None in California, Arizona and Nevada.

In Nevada:

Carson City, which is an independent city rather than a county, has only one:  about 4 miles of NV 28 at Lake Tahoe.

Eureka and Storey Counties have four each.  Storey County is very small, a relic of the mining era.  I'd probably give the award to Eureka County because one of their four is NV 781 which is 0.039 mile of bridge out in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Counties in your State without a State Route
Post by: Dirt Roads on November 13, 2022, 08:00:18 PM
North Carolina

Counties with only one (1) state highway:
Counties with two (2) state highways:
Counties with three (3) state highways:
*which includes Wilmington, the eighth largest city in North Carolina.

All of the above counties also have US Routes, many of which have more US Routes than state highways.  Out of the 100 counties, I only found one without a US Route: