Ventura, CA (San Buenaventura) and Webster Springs, WV (Addison) come to mind, but I don't know of any else.
Pryor Creek, Oklahoma is near-universally called Pryor, even on maps and signs.
New Cordell, Oklahoma is also near-universally just called Cordell, because there's nothing left at Old Cordell.
Garland City AR is usually just referred to as GARLAND.
The Town of Krupp, WA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin,_Washington) is usually referred to as Marlin, the name of its post office. Both names are displayed on signage for the town of around 49 people.
Bangkok is officially named "Krung Thep Maha Nakhon".
Wikipedia's article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waimea,_Hawaii_County,_Hawaii) suggests that Waimea, on a saddle in the northern part of the Big Island, is referred to as "Kamuela" only by USPS, but in practice those two names seem pretty interchangeable.
Den Bosch ('s-Hertogenbosch), Netherlands. Also Den Haag (The Hague), now almost universally used instead of 's-Gravenhage.
Jenison, MI is only the name of the post office. It is part of Georgetown Twp. But everyone calls it Jenison.
Quote from: index on January 10, 2023, 10:48:49 PM
Webster Springs, WV (Addison) come to mind...
Berkeley Springs WV is legally Bath, WV. Coalton WV is legally Womelsdorf.
- Fontana, WI (official name - Fontana On Geneva Lake, WI)
- Los Angeles, CA - (I won't even begin with the city's official name)
Mike
Canton City, ND, is almost always referred to as Hensel, even on official state maps.
Jewell, Iowa's official name is Jewell Junction, even though I've only ever seen it referred to as Jewell on signs and maps. I only found out about it when I was doing this city naming game (https://cityquiz.io/quizzes/usa) and was really confused that it wasn't accepting Jewell.
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- Fontana, WI (official name - Fontana On Geneva Lake, WI)
- Los Angeles, CA - (I won't even begin with the city's official name)
Mike
I'll do it. I remember having to learn (and pronouce) this in Spanish class in high school.
"El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ãngeles de Porciúncula"
Quote from: index on January 10, 2023, 10:48:49 PM
Webster Springs, WV (Addison) come to mind...
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Berkeley Springs WV is legally Bath, WV.
And both of these are county seats... ...and both names got changed by the Postal Service... ...which brings in another twist.
Not only did the Postal Service give the town Bath the name of Berkeley Springs P.O. because the name Bath was already used to describe the residents of most all of what was then Bath County, but the Commonwealth did the same thing when Morgan County separated from Berkeley County in 1820. Thusly, Berkeley Springs is the official county seat of Morgan County, West Virginia. But the same didn't happen with Addison. We are not exactly why the Postal Service gave Addison the name of Webster Springs P.O., but a plausible reason was that there was a post office in the Addison Heights community of what when (then) Alexandria County, which had been in Virginia at the time of the founding of the Postal Service. But this wasn't a problem for the Commonwealth, which also incorporated Webster County in 1860... with the official county seat of Addison. Today, many of the county documents claim an address of the more commonly used name of "Webster Springs".
And once-upon-a-time: The town of Gallipolis Ferry, West Virginia was once incorporated and officially known as Gallipolis, the same name as its larger sister city across the river in Ohio. But the post office there has always been Gallipolis Ferry, and apparently the locals called it the same. There's another one in Mason County that is even more unusual: The town of Ambrosia was once known as Brosia, but the post office there was named Ambrosia. This location was never incorporated, and the locals just simply gave up and called it what the Postal Service said it was.
The capital of China is officially named Peking, but for several years, it has been called Beijing instead.
Another once-upon-a-time: The town of Pennington Gap, Virginia was chartered as Pennington but the Postal Service (and everyone else) still called it Pennington Gap. In 1985, the old charter was repealed by the General Assembly and reincorporated the way that the locals call it.
One here in North Carolina: The railroad town of Marsden in Beaufort County was the hub of the old Norfolk Southern Railway, but the town was officially named Chocowinity. As the railroad lost its luster (and most of its customers), the town lost its taste for the railroad name. But the few old-timers left still call it Marsden, as the town was named after one of the railroad financiers (who eventually took control and became its president).
Fun fact: The old Norfolk Southern Railway was leased by the Southern Railway, which purchased the line outright in the mid-1970s. And lo-and-behold, the Southern merged with the Norforlk & Western Railway to become (yup!) Norfolk Southern Railway again. This angered folks that were connected with the old Norfolk & Southern (as the locals called it), and they sued the holding company to try to keep the old railroad name from being reused. The lawsuit was dropped when it became obvious that the new Norfolk Southern still owned the full rights to the old name for the Norfolk & Southern. But someone apparently got their revenge, as the corporate headquarters unveiled the new marble sign which proudly read Norfork Southern Railway. The mega-railroad corrected the marble slab several weeks later.
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2023, 08:11:03 PM
The capital of China is officially named Peking, but for several years, it has been called Beijing instead.
Officially? According to whom?
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Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2023, 08:11:03 PM
The capital of China is officially named Peking, but for several years, it has been called Beijing instead.
Officially? According to whom?
Huh, I always thought it was 北京. :bigass: Differences in Romanization of characters over the years. The US doesn't have an office of orthographic reform, but some other countries do.
It occurs with Japanese, too. For example, the invasive plant we call "kudzu" is actually
kuzu. I'd go as far as to say it probably happens all the dang time when foreign words enters the lexicon of other languages, and changes to fit the speech patterns and accents of that language.
The city (not village) of Grosse Pointe Shores MI is officially named (https://cms8.revize.com/revize/gpointeshoresmi/Document_center/Government/GPSCHARTER.pdf) "Village of Grosse Pointe Shores, A Michigan City" .
Quote from: Henry on January 11, 2023, 08:11:03 PM
The capital of China is officially named Peking, but for several years, it has been called Beijing instead.
The official name of that city is 北京 ("Northern Capital" ), which has not changed. Peking is the older Wade—Giles transliteration of those characters, Beijing (or Běijīng) is the newer Pinyin transliteration.
Apparently Manchester-By-The-Sea, MA is usually referred to as just Manchester by locals, but I haven't been there (except through on MA 128), so I can't confirm. Where I live (well, Reading; it rarely gets referred to at all where I actually live), it sometimes gets its full name to distinguish it from the more important Manchester NH, but "Manchester Mass" is just as common.
Angels Camp, California is often referred to by its nickname "Frogtown."
In Spain many towns are officially [first name] de [last name], but are colloqualy referred to with their first name. I took that to my advantage once, in which I used Alcolea (del Pinar) to confuse a relative who works at a kindergarten in Alcolea (de Cinca).
Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
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Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadmoor,_California
Broadmoor, CA this town is rarely known by it's real name due to the area being close to Daly City , and San Francisco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Canyon,_California
American Canyon, CA was previously known as Napa Junction but it's sometimes mistakenly identified as Vallejo or Napa given how close it is to those areas.
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Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It is redundantly, and rather sillily if you want my view, officially named the City of Salt Lake City.
Worcester, MA is referred to as Wooster. :bigass:
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Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It is redundantly, and rather sillily if you want my view, officially named the City of Salt Lake City.
I used to cringe every time I saw a certain municipalities in Powell County, Ky., referred to as "City of Clay City."
The county seat is governed by a body called the Stanton City Council, so I'm not sure if the governing body of the town five miles to the west should be the Clay City Council or the Clay City City Council.
Of course, since there is an incorporated city named Clay in western Kentucky, it could make things awkward.
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Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to “Salt Lake” on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It is redundantly, and rather sillily if you want my view, officially named the City of Salt Lake City.
Ditto with Jersey City, NJ. It’s the City of Jersey City and so might be said of Kansas City both in KS and MO.
New York City is really the City of New York and is called NYC to avoid ambiguity between the state that uses the same exact name with it. Even for the state it’s the State of New York despite being called New York State.
It doesn't matter. 90% of people outside the region hear "New York" and assume you mean the city.
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It doesn't matter. 90% of people outside the region hear "New York" and assume you mean the city.
Tell that to NJDOT. They just spent millions to change " New York" to " New York City" on freeway guides and small ground mounts along US 22. To me ( and everyone else in North Jersey) knows that " New York" means the city and not state.
I don't know if this counts, but in Grant County, Washington, there's a community called Lakeview, Washington; however, to locals and on signs: https://goo.gl/maps/FiUojouKgL9YpBq29
Winfield, NJ does the same. Winfield Park appears on guide signs. ^^^
Quote from: catch22 on January 11, 2023, 12:33:35 PM
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- Fontana, WI (official name - Fontana On Geneva Lake, WI)
- Los Angeles, CA - (I won't even begin with the city's official name)
Mike
I'll do it. I remember having to learn (and pronouce) this in Spanish class in high school.
"El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ãngeles de Porciúncula"
Wildly off topic, but some time ago I ran across a music group called Los Angeles Negros. For a second, I thought whaaaaa...? then it hit me; "oh, Black Angels" [emoji23]
Quote from: catch22 on January 11, 2023, 12:33:35 PM
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- Los Angeles, CA - (I won't even begin with the city's official name)
I'll do it. I remember having to learn (and pronouce) this in Spanish class in high school.
"El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ãngeles de Porciúncula"
According to its original charter (https://digital.library.ucla.edu/catalog/ark:/21198/zz0002nw49), the official, if not necessarily historical, name of the city is the City of Los Angeles:
(https://i.imgur.com/eAT0a02.png)
Quote from: catch22 on January 11, 2023, 12:33:35 PM
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- Fontana, WI (official name - Fontana On Geneva Lake, WI)
- Los Angeles, CA - (I won't even begin with the city's official name)
Mike
I'll do it. I remember having to learn (and pronouce) this in Spanish class in high school.
"El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ãngeles de Porciúncula"
I remember reading that in a late 70s Guinness Book as the longest official name of a city, shortened simply to "LA." Even as a kid, I laughed.
Quote from: amroad17 on January 18, 2023, 01:58:49 AM
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Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It's the City of Salt Lake City, according to the city code. I don't think that's silly. No one says "I live in the City of Dallas" or "I live in the Village of Wherever." People say "I live in Dallas" or "I live in Wherever." I don't say that I live in the State of Texas. In the same way, I would introduce myself as "Bob" rather than as "Robert Henry Edward Thurston Howell the Fifty-Second." Legal names have a certain place, but casual conversation is not that place.
"I live upon a tract of land within the defined boundaries of the body corporate and politic of the legally established municipality hereinafter noted as the City of Bump, within which is placed a bump and, more recently, a stop sign and is located upon Route Five just outside of the similarly established municipality of Raytown." Is it silly to identify your place of residence in such a way? Yes, it is. But would you actually say that to anyone? The answer is No.
https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/saltlakecityut/latest/saltlakecity_ut/0-0-0-40605 (https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/saltlakecityut/latest/saltlakecity_ut/0-0-0-40605)
City of Salt Lake City sounds silly to me and right in line with Utahn thinking.
The City of Oklahoma City is its official name too. In actual practice, "Oklahoma City" refers to the geographical place and "The City of Oklahoma City" is used to explicitly refer to the municipal government when it would otherwise be ambiguous.
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City of Salt Lake City sounds silly to me and right in line with Utahn thinking.
Is the village of
Village of the Branch (Suffolk County) in line with New York thinking?
Paso Robles, CA, officially El Paso de Robles.
Locals in Ellis County, TX call Midlothian "Midlo" and Waxahachie "Hachie."
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2023, 09:47:28 AM
Angels Camp, California is often referred to by its nickname "Frogtown."
Max probably knows this, but some people on the board may not - the nickname is from Mark Twain's comic short story The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County.
The legal name for the city that happens to be the capital of Missouri is Jefferson. Turns out that's too simplistic, so it's referred to as Jefferson City, or Jeff City.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 22, 2023, 11:32:53 PM
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Quote from: roadman65 on January 18, 2023, 01:08:16 AM
Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It is redundantly, and rather sillily if you want my view, officially named the City of Salt Lake City.
Ditto with Jersey City, NJ. It's the City of Jersey City and so might be said of Kansas City both in KS and MO.
New York City is really the City of New York and is called NYC to avoid ambiguity between the state that uses the same exact name with it. Even for the state it's the State of New York despite being called New York State.
The most extreme version of this I know of is Orange, NJ, which is legally known as the City of Orange Township.
I believe it was originally a city but due to some federal funding quirk it was more advantageous to change to the Township form, creating the ridiculous name.
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Quote from: amroad17 on January 18, 2023, 01:58:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 18, 2023, 01:08:16 AM
Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It is redundantly, and rather sillily if you want my view, officially named the City of Salt Lake City.
Ditto with Jersey City, NJ. It's the City of Jersey City and so might be said of Kansas City both in KS and MO.
New York City is really the City of New York and is called NYC to avoid ambiguity between the state that uses the same exact name with it. Even for the state it's the State of New York despite being called New York State.
The most extreme version of this I know of is Orange, NJ, which is legally known as the City of Orange Township.
I believe it was originally a city but due to some federal funding quirk it was more advantageous to change to the Township form, creating the ridiculous name.
Many NJ municipalities begin with "Township/Borough/City/Town/Village of... "
Central City, Colorado is legally the City of Central, but the former is used everywhere I've seen.
In NJ most town border signs were changed to present day Township, City, etc of name instead of name and then municipality. For example previous signs on US 1 would say Entering Edison Township, but now says Entering Twp. Of Edison. Even on I-78 entering Newark used to say Entering Newark which now states Entering City of Newark.
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Quote from: amroad17 on January 18, 2023, 01:58:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 18, 2023, 01:08:16 AM
Salt Lake City is sometimes referred to "Salt Lake" on guide signs in both Nevada and Utah.
So, is it officially the City of Salt Lake or the City of Salt Lake City? Just like it is not the City of New York City but the City of New York.
It is redundantly, and rather sillily if you want my view, officially named the City of Salt Lake City.
Ditto with Jersey City, NJ. It's the City of Jersey City and so might be said of Kansas City both in KS and MO.
New York City is really the City of New York and is called NYC to avoid ambiguity between the state that uses the same exact name with it. Even for the state it's the State of New York despite being called New York State.
The most extreme version of this I know of is Orange, NJ, which is legally known as the City of Orange Township.
I believe it was originally a city but due to some federal funding quirk it was more advantageous to change to the Township form, creating the ridiculous name.
Michigan has two similar examples: the City of the Village of Clarkston and the City of the Village of Douglas.
South Orange has a similar situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Orange,_New_Jersey
Quote from: roadman65 on May 01, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
In NJ most town border signs were changed to present day Township, City, etc of name instead of name and then municipality. For example previous signs on US 1 would say Entering Edison Township, but now says Entering Twp. Of Edison. Even on I-78 entering Newark used to say Entering Newark which now states Entering City of Newark.
Because they were changed to their legal name.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 01, 2023, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 01, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
In NJ most town border signs were changed to present day Township, City, etc of name instead of name and then municipality. For example previous signs on US 1 would say Entering Edison Township, but now says Entering Twp. Of Edison. Even on I-78 entering Newark used to say Entering Newark which now states Entering City of Newark.
Because they were changed to their legal name.
So you're saying that the Orlando City Limit signs at the city's entry points in Florida are wrong. The signs then should say " City of Orlando City Limit?"
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 01, 2023, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 01, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
In NJ most town border signs were changed to present day Township, City, etc of name instead of name and then municipality. For example previous signs on US 1 would say Entering Edison Township, but now says Entering Twp. Of Edison. Even on I-78 entering Newark used to say Entering Newark which now states Entering City of Newark.
Because they were changed to their legal name.
So you're saying that the Orlando City Limit signs at the city's entry points in Florida are wrong. The signs then should say " City of Orlando City Limit?"
Dude...you said "IN NJ". You weren't referring to Florida.
I understand where you’re coming from, as it’s the City of whatever in all cases and know for sure that city limits are a wrong but not desperate need to be corrected. Yes NJ did decide to use proper form to state the names instead of before where the common unofficial reference was used.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not debating it if it sounds so.
Apparently one user before stated how people know that when referring to New York people know the difference between city and state after I pointed out to another one user that New York City is not the official name like Kansas City ( or presumably Jersey City) is. It’s City of New York unlike Kansas City which is the City of Kansas City.
People add city afterwards to avoid confusion with the state of the same name just as we also call the State of Washington, Washington State to avoid confusion with the city on the opposite end of the nation even though it’s not the State of Washington State.
The said user to made a point about New York, as I’m sure those in the Pacific Northwest will just say “Washington” and 86 the description after the name as the DC city name is not a confusing issue in that corner of our nation.
It’s just the usual AA roads confusion here.
Roadman seems to be trying to find consistency when there just isn't any.
The longest municipality name in Ontario is rarely used for obvious reasons: United Townships of Dysart, Dudley, Harcourt, Guilford, Harburn, Bruton, Havelock, Eyre and Clyde. Instead it's referred to as "Dysart et al", including its website: https://www.dysartetal.ca/en/index.aspx (https://www.dysartetal.ca/en/index.aspx).
(https://i.imgur.com/EqTITypl.jpg)
Quote from: bulldog1979 on May 01, 2023, 12:03:30 AM
Michigan has two similar examples: the City of the Village of Clarkston and the City of the Village of Douglas.
Plus the Village of Mackinaw City.
Here is a good one - the towns of Canaan and North Canaan, CT. Referred to as "Canaan" or "Canaan Village", the CDP is actually within the town of North Canaan, which split off from the town of Canaan years ago. And the town of Canaan is referred to by it's principal settlement, "Falls Village". Post Office also considers each town by its common name. So if you're in North Canaan, the address will be Canaan. And if you're in Canaan it's Falls Village.
Anyone mentioned Ark(ansas) City, Kansas yet?
Thetford Mines, Quebec is often only referred as Thetford and the town of Asbestos is renamed Val-des-Sources but I think lots of older people will still refer it as Asbestos.