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Title: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: roadman65 on February 13, 2023, 09:26:18 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52452193199/in/album-72177720303127651/
This one could use a much shorter cantilever to support the sign.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 13, 2023, 09:26:18 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52452193199/in/album-72177720303127651/
This one could use a much shorter cantilever to support the sign.
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: hbelkins on February 13, 2023, 11:28:03 PM
Any APL/OAPL sign. :-D
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: Scott5114 on February 13, 2023, 11:28:39 PM
This cantilever (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.2411254,-97.1767212,3a,25.7y,18.31h,96.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stBPM57gTXXdMM-Wxkfrcqg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DtBPM57gTXXdMM-Wxkfrcqg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D141.231%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) seems way too excessive for such a small sign.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 13, 2023, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D

The Chicagoan in me was confused for a while here.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: interstatefan990 on February 14, 2023, 12:05:59 AM
I actually thought this thread would be referring to signs that have too much empty space on them.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: Rothman on February 14, 2023, 08:40:24 AM


Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 13, 2023, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D

The Chicagoan in me was confused for a while here.

Oh.  Illinois exists.  Right.

I still have no idea why NYSTA installed that thing.  I think there was part of a thread where we tried to find another example of such an installation and could not.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: wanderer2575 on February 14, 2023, 08:58:04 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/Pd7cpgwWQFWhHLn67

At least add a small pull-through sign (no arrows) to make this seem sort of justified.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: 1995hoo on February 14, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
This old gantry on I-395 in Virginia (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.831999,-77.1082893,3a,75y,225.71h,87.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJUzvnp-KXmrP68K0UYHPBQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) has just the LGS for Seminary Road, the traffic light warning sign, and a variable speed limit sign for the express lanes (facing the opposite way from the camera viewpoint). Notice they put the other express lane signage on a new gantry constructed right next to the existing one, which feels sort of like it furthers the issue of using "too much metal."

In terms of non-APL signs that are themselves insanely big, the signs for Exit 16 on I-295 in Virginia come to mind, as they always make me wonder whether they could have handled the road name differently (perhaps abbreviate "Technology," for starters?) (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3680962,-77.3455778,3a,75y,168.75h,82.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbWI9dQMAheHGQLXe0nBfng!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: kirbykart on February 14, 2023, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D

For the record, here's (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7927094,-74.0167776,3a,41.3y,186.01h,97.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl_FbZDjQz7De_rRsJQB0QQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) the sign.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 14, 2023, 10:36:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2023, 08:40:24 AM
I still have no idea why NYSTA installed that thing.  I think there was part of a thread where we tried to find another example of such an installation and could not.

The only other overhead gore sign like that that comes to mind for me is I-78 exit 60B westbound in PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5560441,-75.4271616,3a,39.4y,247.27h,87.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUJji5rpkS9luSytNGkvYuA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)...this one can at least be somewhat justified by the unusual gore design beyond, unlike that NYSTA example where the gore sign could probably be slapped on the bridge support.

While looking up that exit 60B example, I realized that the gore sign for the ramp from PA 309 NB to I-78 EB (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5511606,-75.4276584,3a,22y,336.31h,92.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCAc7ojNqvu3Ny_4Z-F78Dg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) at the same interchange is also elevated...but this one seems completely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: vdeane on February 14, 2023, 12:46:45 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 14, 2023, 08:40:24 AM


Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 13, 2023, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D

The Chicagoan in me was confused for a while here.

Oh.  Illinois exists.  Right.

I still have no idea why NYSTA installed that thing.  I think there was part of a thread where we tried to find another example of such an installation and could not.
There used to be one at I-690, but it was removed during the 39-40 reconstruction over a decade back.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: machias on February 21, 2023, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 13, 2023, 09:26:18 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52452193199/in/album-72177720303127651/
This one could use a much shorter cantilever to support the sign.
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D

That same design was used at I-90 EB at I-690 for the exit 39 gore sign when they first rebuilt the interchange in 1987. If memory serves, I think Exit 25A was built around the same time because I remember both of these interchanges having the same design with a button copy gore sign of the same era.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: Rothman on February 22, 2023, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: machias on February 21, 2023, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 13, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 13, 2023, 09:26:18 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52452193199/in/album-72177720303127651/
This one could use a much shorter cantilever to support the sign.
See the overhead exit gore sign on I-90 EB at I-88. :D

That same design was used at I-90 EB at I-690 for the exit 39 gore sign when they first rebuilt the interchange in 1987. If memory serves, I think Exit 25A was built around the same time because I remember both of these interchanges having the same design with a button copy gore sign of the same era.
We have an old map up in our office that shows the old configuration of the I-690/I-90 interchange, with the signal on I-690.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: kirbykart on February 26, 2023, 09:34:30 AM

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dEooXCXxsYeCHoZg7 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/dEooXCXxsYeCHoZg7)

This giant overhead gantry is unnecessary for one small sign.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: brad2971 on February 26, 2023, 09:46:03 AM
This is just a little much for the small signs that are on it: https://www.google.com/maps/place/855+Omaha+St,+Rapid+City,+SD+57701/@44.0840943,-103.2322652,3a,75y,81.63h,91.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxQDOvWJHJvzQ1hUvGNnCkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x877d5cd20ee3fe9b:0x8e63cd7fc7cf4f85!8m2!3d44.0838666!4d-103.2312531!16s%2Fg%2F11j0t9wb0w

Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: vdeane on February 26, 2023, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on February 26, 2023, 09:34:30 AM

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dEooXCXxsYeCHoZg7 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/dEooXCXxsYeCHoZg7)

This giant overhead gantry is unnecessary for one small sign.
It wasn't always (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8167006,-78.7919141,3a,49.8y,188.95h,92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slGAX9lxdCFnjN58dHq554w!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192) just one sign.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: kirbykart on February 26, 2023, 07:45:11 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 26, 2023, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: kirbykart on February 26, 2023, 09:34:30 AM

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dEooXCXxsYeCHoZg7 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/dEooXCXxsYeCHoZg7)

This giant overhead gantry is unnecessary for one small sign.
It wasn't always (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8167006,-78.7919141,3a,49.8y,188.95h,92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slGAX9lxdCFnjN58dHq554w!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192) just one sign.

Honestly that's still ridiculous.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: countysigns on March 28, 2023, 09:31:09 PM
https://tinyurl.com/468zy883
I-475 eastbound 1/2 mile from the Corey Road exit.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: hotdogPi on March 29, 2023, 08:48:16 AM
For a different kind of metal... there's probably a sign out there somewhere that calls Uber Über.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: wanderer2575 on April 02, 2023, 05:07:27 PM
A cantilever right in front of a full-width gantry on I-75 at US-23's northern terminus in Mackinaw City.  (I believe the gantry is no longer there.)

(https://i.imgur.com/7RgeZ2K.jpg)
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 10, 2023, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on February 26, 2023, 09:46:03 AM
This is just a little much for the small signs that are on it: https://www.google.com/maps/place/855+Omaha+St,+Rapid+City,+SD+57701/@44.0840943,-103.2322652,3a,75y,81.63h,91.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxQDOvWJHJvzQ1hUvGNnCkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x877d5cd20ee3fe9b:0x8e63cd7fc7cf4f85!8m2!3d44.0838666!4d-103.2312531!16s%2Fg%2F11j0t9wb0w

This is a bit comedic. Not a fan of BGS for arterials that are too small like this. If you're going to go through the effort of installing overhead guide signs, do it right.
Title: Re: Signs that use more metal than needed
Post by: plain on April 11, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on April 10, 2023, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on February 26, 2023, 09:46:03 AM
This is just a little much for the small signs that are on it: https://www.google.com/maps/place/855+Omaha+St,+Rapid+City,+SD+57701/@44.0840943,-103.2322652,3a,75y,81.63h,91.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxQDOvWJHJvzQ1hUvGNnCkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x877d5cd20ee3fe9b:0x8e63cd7fc7cf4f85!8m2!3d44.0838666!4d-103.2312531!16s%2Fg%2F11j0t9wb0w

This is a bit comedic. Not a fan of BGS for arterials that are too small like this. If you're going to go through the effort of installing overhead guide signs, do it right.

Yeah those signs definitely should be bigger. That gantry is so big that it might distract people from the signs and the information on them.