This was mentioned months ago in the Road-Related Illustrations thread...a rare practice but something that occurs once in a while:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=575.msg65001#msg65001
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=575.msg65040#msg65040
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=575.msg65042#msg65042
Thought of it again when I saw this photo on Raymond Yu's flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/raymondyue/4886864105/
I-405 south here near Irvine is signed for San Diego (which it reaches via I-5)...but in the mid-1990s Route 73 sign added after the toll road opened, it is signed for "San Diego VIA TOLL ROAD," probably the first time I've seen this type of legend on a CalTrans sign!
Are there any other present-day examples of this beyond what's listed here?
I-94 Westbound in Porter County in Northwest Indiana near the junction with the Indiana Toll Road has Chicago via I-94 on one sign and Chicago via Toll Road on the other.
There's one (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=minworth&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.088699,57.084961&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Minworth,+Sutton+Coldfield,+West+Midlands,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.508438,-1.744852&spn=0.010122,0.036049&t=k&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.508342,-1.744725&panoid=R9Zotx_nThd7WUF3r3n-Ew&cbp=12,117.51,,0,-8.66) near me which shows two ways of getting to London.
When approaching the eastern I-40/I-55 split eastbound in West Memphis, AR, both I-40 and I-55 use Memphis as one control city along with another. The control cities for I-40 East are Memphis and Nashville, and the control cities for I-55 South are Memphis and Jackson, MS.
Another one that technically qualifies is the I-80/I-680 split NE of Council Bluffs, IA. Both use Omaha in some form. The control cities for I-80 are Council Bluffs and Omaha, and the control cities for I-680 are Sioux City and North Omaha.
The I-80/I-280 split in Illinois before the Quad Cities sort of does this for Des Moines, although Des Moines doesn't actually appear as a control city for either road. Instead there is a sign before approaching the junction that says "Des Moines use I-80 or I-280".
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on August 13, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
The I-80/I-280 split in Illinois before the Quad Cities sort of does this for Des Moines, although Des Moines doesn't actually appear as a control city for either road. Instead there is a sign before approaching the junction that says "Des Moines use I-80 or I-280".
There's a similar type of sign marking I-238 and I-880 as the truck route for westbound 580 travelers in Castro Valley:
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images580/i-580_wb_exit_034_01.jpg (note the all-caps freeway name too!)
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 13, 2010, 01:05:40 PM
I-94 Westbound in Porter County in Northwest Indiana near the junction with the Indiana Toll Road has Chicago via I-94 on one sign and Chicago via Toll Road on the other.
That's actually standard practice in France, I believe (Europeans seem to be more reliant on destinations than route numbers in navigating, so their signs are far more generous with destinations - often to the point of having too much to read on one sign - and far more consistent about it). If I'm not mistaken the law requires that if, at a given intersection, there's a sign pointing to a given city by toll road, an alternate, free route needs to be shown as well.
Quote from: Truvelo on August 13, 2010, 01:30:29 PM
There's one (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=minworth&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.088699,57.084961&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Minworth,+Sutton+Coldfield,+West+Midlands,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.508438,-1.744852&spn=0.010122,0.036049&t=k&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.508342,-1.744725&panoid=R9Zotx_nThd7WUF3r3n-Ew&cbp=12,117.51,,0,-8.66) near me which shows two ways of getting to London.
Likewise, just down the road (part of the same junction complex) The NORTH WEST (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=minworth&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.088699,57.084961&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Minworth,+Sutton+Coldfield,+West+Midlands,+United+Kingdom&t=k&layer=c&cbll=52.47041,-1.71113&panoid=LsXi597ne_qTSlbVtq3jmA&cbp=12,344.29,,2,-5.94&ll=52.473789,-1.701207&spn=0.021305,0.038581&z=15) two different ways.
There's five ways to get towards London from the M6 near Stafford (there's overlap - three ways past Birmingham and two routes to London) - M6-M5-M42-M40, M6-M42-M40, M6-M1, M6 Toll-M42-M40, M6 Toll-M6-M1.
I've got lost quite a lot in France on little D roads where the control destination is Paris (miles away) or some nearby big town on both routes and you need the very small places signed under it to know which way unless you can see the little thing telling you what number road you need.
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 13, 2010, 01:05:40 PM
I-94 Westbound in Porter County in Northwest Indiana near the junction with the Indiana Toll Road has Chicago via I-94 on one sign and Chicago via Toll Road on the other.
I-65 northbound has the same thing approaching I-80/94.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southeastroads.com%2Flouisiana050%2Fus-090_eb_at_us-090b.jpg&hash=b9e990de01e733213a9fcb8ce2ba287bf1cf838c)
Not the same control cities, but it both shows directions to ME 24 and I-295:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh5.ggpht.com%2F_ZkmN2RrOJxw%2FSqCL1uQ-H7I%2FAAAAAAAANwM%2FKnuiWbL0NgY%2Fs640%2FIMG_9622.JPG&hash=d81a820c33362847eeda963aae9e939e52a42c62)
Rio Grande Valley via U.S. 77 or RGV via 281. There's a BGS on I-37. I'll see if I can find a picture somewhere.
BigMatt
Not quite it but these two signs on the QEW in Ontario show the way to two different areas of the same city (downtown and general area)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.imageshack.us%2Fimg710%2F7726%2Fdscn1798t.jpg&hash=6b9f86c44cdb19da8d794f90d654fbfe4bf1f5ff)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.imageshack.us%2Fimg822%2F3208%2Fp8040648.jpg&hash=71ec7946dc80d266b5521f536563594f429f7363)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okroads.com%2F072903%2Fi35okexit113.JPG&hash=48d127b88a1478cbf6361277b9a8d4f90dca17d7)
Courtesy Eric Stuve. Since replaced–this gantry now has a distance sign in the middle and the I-35 sign has no control city, just "RIGHT 3 LANES".
Not quite the same but I-20 westbound in Pearl has signage for South Jackson, while I-55 has North Jackson as a control city. I-55 southbound through Ridgeland is signed as Jackson, while I-220 has signage for West Jackson.
Another example I recall from Indiana, at the junction of I-69 and I-469 on the southwest side of Fort Wayne, heading east on Lafayette Center Rd. toward I-469, there is a sign for I-469 that says Fort Wayne and one for I-69 North, even though 469 only goes around Fort Wayne not through it, I-69 is a slightly more direct route. Personally, I think the control city for 469 east should be Toledo to direct traffic from US 24 but that's just me.
From Dougtone's flickr album:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4296718645/in/set-72157623141638433/
To be fair, it's on Long Island ;)
This sign shows I-35 and TX-130 TOLL both have Austin as a destination, even though 130 bypasses the city.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=austin,+tx&sll=34.052261,-84.613292&sspn=0.00848,0.02105&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Austin,+Travis,+Texas&ll=30.705067,-97.651088&spn=0,0.001827&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=30.704853,-97.650959&panoid=wMs8XX0Mo-42gmWvIGojfg&cbp=13,203.62,,0,-0.09
"Follow the signs to Austin, you can't miss it!"
This is in Aiea, Honolulu, Hawaii on the H-1
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=21.377998,-157.927952&spn=0.018263,0.054932&z=15&layer=c&cbll=21.378085,-157.928021&panoid=aAneWfqIt6yrDZbufeH9aQ&cbp=12,149.11,,0,-4.63
This thread reminds me of an old joke.
A guy is driving thru rural Vermont looking for some town. He comes to a fork in the road which has one of those crossroad signs in the shape of arrows pointing to the various destinations. The town he's looking for is indicated on both the left fork and the right fork.
Confused, he spots a (famously taciturn Vermonter) local farmer and decides to ask directions.
"Does it matter which road I take???!"
"Not to me it doesn't".
^^^
That is very good. :rofl:
Reviving this ancient thread as I just saw an example of this in google maps, at the eastern I-80/I-480 split in Ohio where both roads are signed for Cleveland:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2557817,-81.358898,3a,75y,284.85h,77.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slRoys4FKJom6ePCOUINSOg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.9756937716529%26panoid%3DlRoys4FKJom6ePCOUINSOg%26yaw%3D284.8490725152713!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxOC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
All roads lead to Saint-Hermas. (Street View link (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5619755,-74.3225807,3a,17.2y,79.35h,84.57t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smill5RAAwTvycErIFqYUsg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.434340466431578%26panoid%3Dmill5RAAwTvycErIFqYUsg%26yaw%3D79.34617729503978!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxOC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D))
(https://i.imgur.com/Jb4mWCW.png)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50091843363
US 17 at GA 251 in Darien, GA.
It doesn't really count, but MN's only example is probably this at the US 10/TH 15 split with US 10 directed to "East" St. Cloud and TH 15 to "West" St. Cloud.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.6239781,-94.1749872,3a,17.2y,166.75h,98.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZzoHg_WegY-zGDAo8IQQYg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-8.895164154081328%26panoid%3DZzoHg_WegY-zGDAo8IQQYg%26yaw%3D166.75148628501626!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxOC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
There was a historical one I was thinking of at US 2 and TH 194 west of Duluth with both routes signed for Duluth, but in typical MnDOT fashion they replaced that with a sign that has no controls at all, which makes no sense. They just finished up a roundabout project at that intersection, so there are probably new signs now that I don't know what those say.
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.8461155,-92.4202824,3a,15y,87.25h,89.08t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1smgnC-Ht3dokYMK2NttNweg!2e0!5s20120601T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.916556247522422%26panoid%3DmgnC-Ht3dokYMK2NttNweg%26yaw%3D87.24923168583081!7i13312!8i6656?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxOC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pgcc23iTdG7icscp8?g_st=ac
How about this in San Juan, PR.
Old San Juan is for PR Highway 1 and PR Highway 25R.
Toronto (Downtown) and just Toronto
(https://i.imgur.com/RRIsvS6.png)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/CQCXkx1upU9GZNqt7
Quote from: andrepoiy on September 28, 2024, 09:07:46 AMToronto (Downtown) and just Toronto
(https://i.imgur.com/RRIsvS6.png)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/CQCXkx1upU9GZNqt7
If that counts then so does this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9341229,-75.0742944,3a,75y,85.83h,94.69t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suUuPMFl2HT0jmxfV06ODQQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-4.694588003491589%26panoid%3DuUuPMFl2HT0jmxfV06ODQQ%26yaw%3D85.82573894263248!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkyNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Interestingly enough, until 2011 NJ 38 was signed for Mount Holly and NJ 70 was signed for Cherry Hill. I live in Cherry Hill and I didn't know we have a business district (and still don't).
Quote from: andrepoiy on September 28, 2024, 09:07:46 AMToronto (Downtown) and just Toronto
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/CQCXkx1upU9GZNqt7
Good example, but I don't see the logic or the need for Toronto to be signed on the 401 via 403 signage. Most traffic going to the parts of Toronto served by 401 would stay on QEW to 427. Going with the downtown theme, Mississauga (downtown) or even Brampton would make more sense as a control city for 403.
I-90/Jane Addams Tollway EB and I-290 EB/IL 53 SB both are controlled for Chicago at the interchange in Schaumburg. The Tollway is specifically "Chicago - O'Hare" whereas 290/53 is "Chicago - West Suburbs" as ISTHA signs it
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billburmaster.com%2Frmsandw%2Fillinois%2Fimages%2Fe90at2900919d.jpg&hash=72460f443766497b7ad2c8ce1aa43d5a8c5765f2)
IDOT isn't as specific on the IL 53 SB approach to the interchange:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billburmaster.com%2Frmsandw%2Fillinois%2Fimages%2Fsbil53n621022.jpg&hash=bf6ad6478b5322263644987bdf910a44197eb53b)
Photos sourced from Bill Burmaster's "Roads of the Mid-South & West" website http://roads.billburmaster.com/
The issue at the NJ 38 & 70 split is to not sign Cherry Hill as a general area. It breaks down into areas as the shopping malls for Route 38 and the part of the township that has a regular business area on a street to be via Route 70.
I don't think it counts as the same via two different roads here per OP
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on August 13, 2010, 01:44:35 PMAnother one that technically qualifies is the I-80/I-680 split NE of Council Bluffs, IA. Both use Omaha in some form. The control cities for I-80 are Council Bluffs and Omaha, and the control cities for I-680 are Sioux City and North Omaha.
Quoting this very old post because a different thread (the newest-route-number one I created a few days ago) reminded me of the 2019-present I-880 in this area (which replaced I-680 on this stretch, itself a replacement for I-80N) and..
Lo and behold, both 80 west and 880 west here are signed for Omaha!
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.49898,-95.5743094,3a,75y,261.07h,90.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9uyqqZrNNWuoEEHsJYv_FA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-0.6235505690705452%26panoid%3D9uyqqZrNNWuoEEHsJYv_FA%26yaw%3D261.0712119063152!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
The Long Island Expressway (I-495) and Northern State Parkway westbound are both signed only for New York at each's interchanges with the other:
On the Northern State:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7748695,-73.625153,3a,75y,1.39h,83.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUGkZ4_UUs0QHLRaU8kNFGw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.930238065502905%26panoid%3DUGkZ4_UUs0QHLRaU8kNFGw%26yaw%3D1.386684204005597!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
On I-495, only the Northern State exit is signed with no pull-through for I-495, but I-495 West's only control city is New York anyway.
Quote from: TheStranger on November 28, 2024, 04:02:19 AMQuote from: huskeroadgeek on August 13, 2010, 01:44:35 PMAnother one that technically qualifies is the I-80/I-680 split NE of Council Bluffs, IA. Both use Omaha in some form. The control cities for I-80 are Council Bluffs and Omaha, and the control cities for I-680 are Sioux City and North Omaha.
Quoting this very old post because a different thread (the newest-route-number one I created a few days ago) reminded me of the 2019-present I-880 in this area (which replaced I-680 on this stretch, itself a replacement for I-80N) and..
Lo and behold, both 80 west and 880 west here are signed for Omaha!
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.49898,-95.5743094,3a,75y,261.07h,90.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9uyqqZrNNWuoEEHsJYv_FA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-0.6235505690705452%26panoid%3D9uyqqZrNNWuoEEHsJYv_FA%26yaw%3D261.0712119063152!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Interestingly, 680/880 was signed for North Omaha until a year or so ago (maybe two). I definitely preferred that to the duplicate controls you posted. Iowa seems to be discontinuing the use of North Omaha on signage though there's still quite a bit out there - it's likely because North Omaha isn't a separate city, just an area of town.
One option would be to use Lincoln for 880 to suggest the route as a bypass, though it's technically a few minutes slower during normal traffic. Using the Mormon Bridge would be another control option (that's the bridge that it crosses the Missouri on). The use of "West Omaha" (or "Northwest Omaha") would suggest it as the best route to the suburbs that it serves.
Conversely, Nebraska doesn't use a control at all for 680.
Quote from: tman on December 06, 2024, 06:22:47 PMQuote from: TheStranger on November 28, 2024, 04:02:19 AMQuote from: huskeroadgeek on August 13, 2010, 01:44:35 PMAnother one that technically qualifies is the I-80/I-680 split NE of Council Bluffs, IA. Both use Omaha in some form. The control cities for I-80 are Council Bluffs and Omaha, and the control cities for I-680 are Sioux City and North Omaha.
Quoting this very old post because a different thread (the newest-route-number one I created a few days ago) reminded me of the 2019-present I-880 in this area (which replaced I-680 on this stretch, itself a replacement for I-80N) and..
Lo and behold, both 80 west and 880 west here are signed for Omaha!
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.49898,-95.5743094,3a,75y,261.07h,90.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9uyqqZrNNWuoEEHsJYv_FA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-0.6235505690705452%26panoid%3D9uyqqZrNNWuoEEHsJYv_FA%26yaw%3D261.0712119063152!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Interestingly, 680/880 was signed for North Omaha until a year or so ago (maybe two). I definitely preferred that to the duplicate controls you posted. Iowa seems to be discontinuing the use of North Omaha on signage though there's still quite a bit out there - it's likely because North Omaha isn't a separate city, just an area of town.
This stands out because out here, while cities are still the usual preferred control destinations, districts are also used if the place is large enough (examples are "Hollywood" and "Echo Park" in LA, arguably "San Pedro" as well). Omaha to me seems large enough to justify having "North Omaha" as a control, given how far away 880/680 each are from the downtown core.