Full article from the
Courier-Herald and Tribune, Glen Prairie, Texas:
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Oklahoma Passes Legislation to Ban Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices Over Concerns of Government Overreach
Oklahoma lawmakers have recently passed legislation that bans the use of the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) in the state, citing concerns of government overreach. The MUTCD is a document published by the Federal Highway Administration that provides guidelines and standards for the use of traffic control devices, such as signs, signals, and pavement markings, on public roads and highways.
According to Oklahoma lawmakers, the decision to ban the MUTCD was made as part of an effort to push back against what they see as an overreaching federal government. The legislation was introduced by State Senator John Smith, who argued that the use of the MUTCD constituted an infringement on the state's sovereignty and the rights of its citizens.
Supporters of the ban argue that the MUTCD represents an example of the federal government overstepping its bounds and imposing unnecessary regulations on state and local governments. They contend that the guidelines outlined in the MUTCD are often overly prescriptive and do not take into account the unique circumstances and needs of individual communities.
Opponents of the ban, however, warn that the decision to prohibit the use of the MUTCD could have serious consequences for public safety. They note that the guidelines outlined in the MUTCD are based on extensive research and testing, and are designed to ensure that traffic control devices are effective and consistent across the country.
In response to the ban, some traffic safety experts have expressed concern that it could lead to confusion and inconsistency on the state's roads and highways. Without a standard set of guidelines for traffic control devices, they argue, drivers and pedestrians could be placed in danger.
It remains to be seen how the ban on the MUTCD will be implemented in Oklahoma, and whether other states will follow suit. For now, however, it represents a significant challenge to the federal government's efforts to promote traffic safety and consistency across the nation.
The House Democrats all voted against this bill, but since there are only 20 of them out of 101 seats, it passed with a veto-proof majority. Kevin Stitt has already signed the bill.
In an interview with KWTV, Oklahoma Department of Transportation director Tim Gatz said:
Quote from: Tim Gatz
Well, this is a real big deal, in a real big way. We're gonna take a look at all of the signs, and we're going to make sure we post them in a format that follows the Oklahoma values and spirit that the Legislature asked us to. We want to work with the Tourism Department to really show in our signs what's unique and special about the great state of Oklahoma. We're looking at making more of those signs like the ones that say "Cemetery", we're thinking we might do some of them for churches, casinos, and cannabis dispensaries too.
Truly spoken like a man with a degree in landscape architecture.
Governor Kevin Stitt said:
Quote from: Kevin Stitt
This is just another step in our plan to make Oklahoma a top ten state. We really can't stand out as a state if everything about it is the same as everywhere else. We're also going to modify the signs and make it a priority that they help guide business leaders to the most important destinations in our state, by which I mean the Mid-America Industrial Park in Pryor. We're also looking at not having signs to other destinations at all. That way we can keep jobs in the state of Oklahoma, by making it hard to find other states once you get here.
According to sources familiar with the subject that have asked to remain anonymous in order to speak freely, the president of the Automobile Club of Southern California sighed, muttered "This shit again?" and reluctantly dispatched a truck to Oklahoma.
Are these rules not backed by federal law? Can they actually ban the MUTCD? This makes no sense. Which is about average for Stitt.
Tag team AFD. Well done!
Quote from: Kevin Stitt
This is just another step in our plan to make Oklahoma a top ten state. We really can't stand out as a state if everything about it is the same as everywhere else.
No need to change the signs in Oklahoma then. They already stand out when compared to "everywhere else"...
Kinda Like this.
Special thanks to Scott and okroads for sponsoring today's oklahoma shitposting
*looks at the calendar*
That example on the Creek Turnpike might take the trophy for worst designed big green sign in the state. I thought some of the signs we have in Lawton were bad, such as this one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6382016,-98.4232233,3a,75y,90.94h,80.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAaolFfKif1XcGR_gR5mxww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0
Funny April Fools joke by the way.
The ugly sign has been there since at least 2012. This is from 2014:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8898/17423431070_14649d31ce_z.jpg)
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2023, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: Kevin Stitt
This is just another step in our plan to make Oklahoma a top ten state. We really can't stand out as a state if everything about it is the same as everywhere else. We're also going to modify the signs and make it a priority that they help guide business leaders to the most important destinations in our state, by which I mean the Mid-America Industrial Park in Pryor.
This part cracked me up!
Anxiously awaiting for Gov Stitt to hold his breath until he turns blue if he doesn't get his way from the feds.
Oklahoma actually followed the MUTCD to begin with?
Quote from: bugo on April 01, 2023, 10:53:04 PM
*looks at the calendar*
There's also no link to the original article.
Also the MUTCD isn't something that can even be "banned" to begin with, they are guidelines, not rules.
Oklahoma is totally awesome! Easily my favorite state to visit. I hope they never change.
Quote from: US 41 on April 02, 2023, 07:06:08 PM
Oklahoma is totally awesome! Easily my favorite state to visit. I hope they never change.
You just got fooled by an April Fools joke. And I hope that Oklahoma does change a lot of things.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 02, 2023, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 02, 2023, 07:06:08 PM
Oklahoma is totally awesome! Easily my favorite state to visit. I hope they never change.
You just got fooled by an April Fools joke. And I hope that Oklahoma does change a lot of things.
Strong possibility 41's response was dripping with sarcasm.
I don't think anyone has ever said "Oklahoma is totally awesome" with a straight face.
As a longtime collector, I'm anxiously awaiting the new Oklahoma traffic manual with the old Craig County sign used as the example for boundary/feature crossing signs.
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
I've got a house in Norman I'll be looking to get rid of in a couple of years. :P
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
As someone who often seeks haggard and run down things I can appreciate the angle of thought here.
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
I've been through Boise City, and if there is one thing Boise City has plenty of, it's "not a lot there". It's a very desolate town.
Quote from: swake on April 03, 2023, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
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I've been through Boise City, and if there is one thing Boise City has plenty of, it's "not a lot there". It's a very desolate town.
It's also the only town in the United States to have been bombed. Albeit not by any enemy.
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,777833,00.htm
And it's no wonder most, if not all, of their signs suck!
The fact that many of us thought this was a real thing and not an April Fool's joke says a lot about the environment in Oklahoma...🙄
Keeping with the MUTCD subject, anyone who is familiar with the stretch of I-244 eastbound between Sheridan and OK 11 knows that since 244 has an affinity with left exits, there is that section where drivers need to exit at Memorial but people have no idea that lane also is an exit only lane for OK11 just about 1/3 past the Memorial exit. This in the past created conflict with cars trying to pass not realizing OK11 was an impending forced exit.
I've noticed in the last two or three weeks that ODOT has put down an OK11 route pavement marking in that left lane just east of the on-ramp from Sheridan Rd. I hope this cuts down on the franticness of drivers in that segment.
Quote from: BigOkie on April 04, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Keeping with the MUTCD subject, anyone who is familiar with the stretch of I-244 eastbound between Sheridan and OK 11 knows that since 244 has an affinity with left exits
I-244 is a little under 16 miles long, and it has 23 left exits or entrances. Here are three of the exits in a row.
(https://i.imgur.com/568Mgn0.png)
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
Oklahoma in the past has had a libertarian bent which I liked, but lately (in the last 6-7 years) it's been riding the toadstool hard.
Quote from: Road Hog on April 09, 2023, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
Oklahoma in the past has had a libertarian bent which I liked, but lately (in the last 6-7 years) it's been riding the toadstool hard.
I would suggest any supposed libertarian image the state may have put out toward outsiders in the past is pure fiction. When I was growing up, tattoo parlors were illegal and the only beer for sale outside of a liquor store was limited to 3.2% ABV. This is the state that inspired
Footloose.
Quote from: bugo on April 09, 2023, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: BigOkie on April 04, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Keeping with the MUTCD subject, anyone who is familiar with the stretch of I-244 eastbound between Sheridan and OK 11 knows that since 244 has an affinity with left exits
I-244 is a little under 16 miles long, and it has 23 left exits or entrances. Here are three of the exits in a row.
(https://i.imgur.com/568Mgn0.png)
Impressive, that's more than the 180 km Yamuna Expressway in Uttar Pradesh, India!
Quote from: Bickendan on April 10, 2023, 12:28:44 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 09, 2023, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: BigOkie on April 04, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Keeping with the MUTCD subject, anyone who is familiar with the stretch of I-244 eastbound between Sheridan and OK 11 knows that since 244 has an affinity with left exits
I-244 is a little under 16 miles long, and it has 23 left exits or entrances. Here are three of the exits in a row.
(https://i.imgur.com/568Mgn0.png)
Impressive, that's more than the 180 km Yamuna Expressway in Uttar Pradesh, India!
It has taken me 30 years of driving in this city to navigate the NW section of the IDL (where this is located) in a manner as to not get me killed.
Quote from: bugo on April 02, 2023, 06:03:48 AM
The ugly sign has been there since at least 2012. This is from 2014:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8898/17423431070_14649d31ce_z.jpg)
Still can't beat the "CrAiG CoUnTy" and "COnCeSsIoNs" signs.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 09, 2023, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on April 09, 2023, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
Oklahoma in the past has had a libertarian bent which I liked, but lately (in the last 6-7 years) it's been riding the toadstool hard.
I would suggest any supposed libertarian image the state may have put out toward outsiders in the past is pure fiction. When I was growing up, tattoo parlors were illegal and the only beer for sale outside of a liquor store was limited to 3.2% ABV. This is the state that inspired Footloose.
Yep, and it's not been that long now that anything above 3.2abv has been available in grocery stores, convenience stores, etc. And then in pretty short order, they passed a law allowing liquor stores to be open on Sundays (which is on a county by county basis). And they removed many of the mandated holidays they must observe; now it's down to just Thanksgiving and Christmas I believe. Also removed the restriction that liquor stores must be closed while elections are in progress (I know many stores that would open on 7pm on election days only to be able to stay open two hours because of the arcane alcohol laws).
Most counties (like Comanche County here) are keeping the liquor stores closed on Sundays and certain holidays. But you can buy beer or wine in a grocery store on Sunday here. Bars are still supposed to close by/before 2:00am. Quite a few bars, night clubs and other out of home hang-outs have closed down over the past 10 or so years (not because of any bible-thumping efforts, but more because a lot of younger adults are socializing more thru their phones and computers, meeting in person less).
But, yeah, I agree 100% with Road Hog about Oklahoma or rather its state government "riding the toad stool hard."
The new state superintendent for public education is an absolute jackass. Oklahoma has been losing teachers to other higher paying states for a long time because we don't pay teachers worth a damn. This week the guy called the teachers union a "terrorist organization." They're trying to ram-rod a so-called "school choice" bill into law. But the idiots in charge appear blissfully ignorant of some basic math. All but a few counties in Oklahoma are losing population, especially the rural counties. The small town/rural areas are aging ever older. A small town with a lopsided percentage of retired age people isn't going to have dick for a tax base to fund schools. A bunch of these places can barely keep the one school they have in town operational. Yet we're going to re-direct a bunch of funding to other kinds of schools. This stupid shit is going to result in more teachers leaving this back-water state in disgust. And it's going to make this state a far less desirable landing spot for young couples fleeing California or the Northeast US. Hell, we'll probably see more of our own people move off to Texas, Colorado or elsewhere.
Ultimately this "culture war" crap is bad for business. We're trying to grow some industry around here. But it's going to be hard to do if those companies can't staff up properly. Leaning hard into fundamentalism is not a good way to attract highly educated, highly skilled workers here.
Your superintendent is borrowing a line from then-Education Secretary Rod Paige, who nineteen years ago said something similar about the NEA.
Quote from: CapeCodder on May 03, 2023, 05:54:37 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 02, 2023, 06:03:48 AM
The ugly sign has been there since at least 2012. This is from 2014:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8898/17423431070_14649d31ce_z.jpg)
Still can't beat the "CrAiG CoUnTy" and "COnCeSsIoNs" signs.
This sign is arguably worse, IMO. This is hideous. Even to a non-roadgeek I'd be willing to bet.
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 03, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: CapeCodder on May 03, 2023, 05:54:37 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 02, 2023, 06:03:48 AM
The ugly sign has been there since at least 2012. This is from 2014:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8898/17423431070_14649d31ce_z.jpg)
Still can't beat the "CrAiG CoUnTy" and "COnCeSsIoNs" signs.
This sign is arguably worse, IMO. This is hideous. Even to a non-roadgeek I'd be willing to bet.
I rarely get that far south on 169 but it always sticks out like a sore thumb when I do get out that way. Ugh.
Quote from: CapeCodder on May 03, 2023, 05:54:37 AM
Still can't beat the "CrAiG CoUnTy" and "COnCeSsIoNs" signs.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/784/40911394981_35435dc99c_z.jpg)
Quote from: bugo on May 03, 2023, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on May 03, 2023, 05:54:37 AM
Still can't beat the "CrAiG CoUnTy" and "COnCeSsIoNs" signs.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/784/40911394981_35435dc99c_z.jpg)
I drive this section of the Will Rogers sort of frequently; not sure why I've never noticed that.
The thing that really pisses me off about those signs: after a few years of aging in the sun ODOT replaces the worn/faded letters using the exact same layout with all the damned errors!
If there's any kind of graphic design jobs that are asking to be replaced with artificial intelligence schemes these freaking highway sign design jobs are asking to get placed at the front of the line.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on May 03, 2023, 07:38:51 PM
The thing that really pisses me off about those signs: after a few years of aging in the sun ODOT replaces the worn/faded letters using the exact same layout with all the damned errors!
If there's any kind of graphic design jobs that are asking to be replaced with artificial intelligence schemes these freaking highway sign design jobs are asking to get placed at the front of the line.
Be careful what you wish for. They might train the AI with Oklahoma signage.
Quote from: BigOkie on May 03, 2023, 05:45:58 PM
.I drive this section of the Will Rogers sort of frequently; not sure why I've never noticed that.
This sign was on the Cherokee Turnpike, and it's been gone since at least 2012. The service plaza was removed years ago.
Quote from: BigOkie on May 03, 2023, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 03, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: CapeCodder on May 03, 2023, 05:54:37 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 02, 2023, 06:03:48 AM
The ugly sign has been there since at least 2012. This is from 2014:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8898/17423431070_14649d31ce_z.jpg)
Still can't beat the "CrAiG CoUnTy" and "COnCeSsIoNs" signs.
This sign is arguably worse, IMO. This is hideous. Even to a non-roadgeek I'd be willing to bet.
I rarely get that far south on 169 but it always sticks out like a sore thumb when I do get out that way. Ugh.
This sign is a quarter mile before that sign and is even worse
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0248281,-95.8728916,3a,37.6y,83.01h,103.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_VXgTCKZJ9c8DlgSZpvLGA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: swake on May 04, 2023, 01:43:21 AM
This sign is a quarter mile before that sign and is even worse
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0248281,-95.8728916,3a,37.6y,83.01h,103.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_VXgTCKZJ9c8DlgSZpvLGA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Thanks, I didn't need eyes anyways.
Heh... I could see a dark red state instruct its DOT/ DPWs to not follow the MUTCD as a test to see if the Feds would actually follow through on withholding funds.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 04, 2023, 02:31:06 AM
Heh... I could see a dark red state instruct its DOT/ DPWs to not follow the MUTCD as a test to see if the Feds would actually follow through on withholding funds.
Isn't that what happened with the Florida colored US route shields? Granted, that was 30 years ago, but they've done it before.
They're going with Geneva Convention striping and signage, complete with all of the coloration logic and measurement units?
KEWL!
:hyper:
Mike
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 04, 2023, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 04, 2023, 02:31:06 AM
Heh... I could see a dark red state instruct its DOT/ DPWs to not follow the MUTCD as a test to see if the Feds would actually follow through on withholding funds.
Isn't that what happened with the Florida colored US route shields? Granted, that was 30 years ago, but they've done it before.
Fair Point. But it would be interesting to see the rule challenged in the current political and judicial environment.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 04, 2023, 02:31:06 AM
Heh... I could see a dark red state instruct its DOT/ DPWs to not follow the MUTCD as a test to see if the Feds would actually follow through on withholding funds.
We had numerous dark blue states (plus purple NH) do the same with exit numbers for decades.
Quote from: SectorZ on May 04, 2023, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 04, 2023, 02:31:06 AM
Heh... I could see a dark red state instruct its DOT/ DPWs to not follow the MUTCD as a test to see if the Feds would actually follow through on withholding funds.
We had numerous dark blue states (plus purple NH) do the same with exit numbers for decades.
Thinking something more like a new change, noticeable to the average motorist. Like a new road marking color or LED stoplight strips and such.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 04, 2023, 01:27:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 04, 2023, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 04, 2023, 02:31:06 AM
Heh... I could see a dark red state instruct its DOT/ DPWs to not follow the MUTCD as a test to see if the Feds would actually follow through on withholding funds.
We had numerous dark blue states (plus purple NH) do the same with exit numbers for decades.
Thinking something more like a new change, noticeable to the average motorist. Like a new road marking color or LED stoplight strips and such.
Ah, OK. Yeah that would stand out a tad more.
The best AFD jokes have a nugget of reality to go off of. Well done.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 09, 2023, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on April 09, 2023, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
Oklahoma in the past has had a libertarian bent which I liked, but lately (in the last 6-7 years) it's been riding the toadstool hard.
I would suggest any supposed libertarian image the state may have put out toward outsiders in the past is pure fiction. When I was growing up, tattoo parlors were illegal and the only beer for sale outside of a liquor store was limited to 3.2% ABV. This is the state that inspired Footloose.
Well, I can agree on the part about the "Tattoo Parlors" I can't stand seeing those hideous things disfiguring so many these days.
Quote from: captkirk_4 on August 03, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 09, 2023, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on April 09, 2023, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
Oklahoma in the past has had a libertarian bent which I liked, but lately (in the last 6-7 years) it's been riding the toadstool hard.
I would suggest any supposed libertarian image the state may have put out toward outsiders in the past is pure fiction. When I was growing up, tattoo parlors were illegal and the only beer for sale outside of a liquor store was limited to 3.2% ABV. This is the state that inspired Footloose.
Well, I can agree on the part about the "Tattoo Parlors" I can't stand seeing those hideous things disfiguring so many these days.
I'm not the biggest tattoo fan myself, but disfiguring?
Quote from: captkirk_4 on August 03, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 09, 2023, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on April 09, 2023, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: US 41 on April 03, 2023, 05:06:15 PM
I actually meant it. I love Oklahoma. It's like a healthy Midwestern / Southwestern mix. I've been looking for land to buy in the western part of the state. Would really like to find something in Boise City, but there's not a lot there unfortunately.
Oklahoma in the past has had a libertarian bent which I liked, but lately (in the last 6-7 years) it's been riding the toadstool hard.
I would suggest any supposed libertarian image the state may have put out toward outsiders in the past is pure fiction. When I was growing up, tattoo parlors were illegal and the only beer for sale outside of a liquor store was limited to 3.2% ABV. This is the state that inspired Footloose.
Well, I can agree on the part about the "Tattoo Parlors" I can't stand seeing those hideous things disfiguring so many these days.
"I don't want people to be allowed to do something because I think it is hideous" is not a libertarian philosophy, though.
I only have two small tattoos, and you would never know I had them unless I showed them to you. I don't understand facial or neck tattoos. I sound like a hypocrite, but I generally don't like tattoos on women. Especially sleeves and chest tattoos.
I don't have any tattoos of my own because I'm sure I'd get sick of them after a period of time and want to change or remove them. I've designed tattoos for other people though.
I think it's alright for people to get tattoos if that's what floats their boat. I don't even mind tattoos on women. But I do wish a lot of people had better taste in their choices of tattoos. Some are just not well drawn or thought out. And some of the art is just freaking clip art. Who knows how many other people have the same thing drawn on them. I like tattoo art that is unique and crafted precisely. That stuff can get really expensive though.
The Japanese crime novelist Akimitsu Takagi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akimitsu_Takagi) got interested in tattoo culture when researching his debut novel, The Tattoo Murder Case (1948). He took photographs, some of which have now been published online (https://thetattoowriter.com/en/tattoo-gallery-photographs-tokyo/) and in a book, and they do demonstrate the possibilities of tattoo as an art form. But the novel also describes the pain associated with getting full-body, full-color tattoos.
I don't like most people's tattoos. If I were to get them I would want all of them to match in color and style. Most people don't seem to bother doing that and it leads to a cluttered, disjointed appearance...
...much like an Oklahoma road sign. Hey, look, we circled back around to being on topic!
Took me 31 years to get even one tattoo. It is mostly hidden from view since under the left sleeve of most shirts I wear. Something small and tasteful I'm fine with, covering good portions of their body just isn't for me.
Could we move talk about one's tattoos to an Off-Topic thread? This thread is about Oklahoma banning MUTCD.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 07, 2023, 08:29:54 PM
This thread is about Oklahoma banning MUTCD.
Which never actually happened, so...
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 07, 2023, 08:29:54 PM
Could we move talk about one's tattoos to an Off-Topic thread? This thread is about Oklahoma banning MUTCD.
Banning the MUTCD requires the depletion of order. What you see before you is the introduction of disorder/entropy to this thread.