http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/video:-i-675-crash-caught-on-tape
Cruiser cam catches 100 mph crash
SUGARCREEK TWP., Montgomery Co. (WDTN) - A single car crash on Interstate 675 shut down the southbound lanes in Sugarcreek Twp. for six hours Aug. 23.
Brennan S. Eden, 19, of Mason, Ohio, lost control of his car and slammed into the concrete pillar of a bridge south of Indian Ripple Road about 7:15 a.m.
The force of the crash broke the car into three pieces and Brennan was ejected.
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Wow! I've never seen something so stupid and crazy. God was smiling on him with him being still alive.
Here's a video of another stupid driver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMzt4bdjmP0
Be well,
Bryant
Interesting update:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime/police-had-arrested-released-man-before-horrific-i-675-crash-877351.html
Police had arrested, released man before horrific I-675 crash
By Kelli Wynn, Staff Writer
Updated 12:28 PM Tuesday, August 24, 2010
BEAVERCREEK – Beavercreek police released 19-year-old Brennan Eden of Mason from custody roughly 20 minutes before he sped down Interstate 675 on Monday morning, hit a culvert, and launched his Pontiac Firebird into the Wagner Road overpass.
The force of the crash broke the car apart and ejected Eden onto the highway during the morning rush hour. He remains at Miami Valley Hospital after suffering serious injuries. The crash closed the southbound lanes of I-675 for five hours on Monday, Aug. 23.
Crash investigators with the Xenia Post of the Ohio State Highway Patrol have not determined the specific cause of the accident or if alcohol or drugs played a role
Beavercreek police said Tuesday that they had arrested Eden at 6:13 a.m. Monday on charges including possession of alcohol, drug paraphernalia and drug abuse after he was found with a girl in the parking lot near the corner of Beaver Vu Drive and North Fairfield Road. The officer found an unopened can of alcohol, a trace of marijuana and drug paraphernalia in the car.
The girl was released to her father. Eden was cited, given a court summons and released.
"It's police procedure not to incarcerate people on a prohibition (charge)," Sgt. Jim Wuebben said.
"Eden was cooperative throughout, and there were no indications of Eden to be under the influence of alcohol at the time of his arrest. He was released prior to 6:54 a.m." Monday, Wuebben said.
Wuebben added that Eden was not tested for alcohol or drugs because the situation "did not warrant testing for alcohol."
In November 2009, Eden was cited by the Ohio State Highway Patrol for driving 90 mph in an 65 mph zone, according to records filed in the Fairborn Municipal Court.
A message left on a relative's answering service asked callers to continue to prayer for Eden, a 2009 Mason High School graduate.
"Our hearts go out to the family and friends of Brennan, who is a valued member of the Mason Schools community," said Mindy McCarty-Stewart, principal of Mason High School. "We continue to hope that he will make a full recovery. Brennan's a great kid with a lot of artistic ability who was very well-liked by his teachers."
Staff Writer Mark Gokavi contributed to this report.
Contact Kelli Wynn at (937) 225-2414 or kwynn@daytondailynews.com.
How does that even happen? 100 MPH isn't that fast and cars have brakes.
Wacky.
Well he was driving in the grass, but where did that ramp come from? And how did he manage to turn like that?
QuoteWell he was driving in the grass, but where did that ramp come from? And how did he manage to turn like that?
Wait, he was driving in the grass? Idiot.
People like this are why I dislike putting safety features in cars- natural selection was defeated by man here. That's a loss.
Might want to review the design/installation of that guardrail. It's supposed to stop cars, not launch them into the air!
Quote from: Duke87 on August 24, 2010, 01:03:06 PM
Might want to review the design/installation of that guardrail. It's supposed to stop cars, not launch them into the air!
He never hit the guardrail - he launched off a rough portion of the grassy median about 5-6 feet away from the Armco rail, then flew mid-air into the concrete overpass.
:hmmm: Kinda looks like a suicide attempt?? If not, maybe at 100 mph he came up on slower traffic and had nowhere to go except the median.
Quote from: allniter89 on August 24, 2010, 01:18:24 PM
If not, maybe at 100 mph he came up on slower traffic and had nowhere to go except the median.
Here's an eyewitness account:
http://blog.oneduality.com/2010/08/23/accident-on-south-675-here-in-daytonsugarcreek-was-the-worst-thing-ive-ever-witnessed/
He's really fortunate that he's living, despite the critical condition.
This is what happens with morons going over 20 MPH over the speed limit in more urban areas pass traffic that's going significantly slower.
giving fast drivers a bad name. this is the reason why the speed limit won't be raised to 100 ever, because people keep abusing the privilege by being complete morons.
I honestly don't care if people speed, but they shouldn't blow past people in adjacent lanes who are going 25 MPH slower than them.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 25, 2010, 01:41:38 AM
I honestly don't care if people speed, but they shouldn't blow past people in adjacent lanes who are going 25 MPH slower than them.
then people should consider not going 25mph slower.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 25, 2010, 01:41:38 AM
I honestly don't care if people speed, but they shouldn't blow past people in adjacent lanes who are going 25 MPH slower than them.
If I'm doing 75 (the speed limit) on the turnpike, and somebody is doing 50, you're saying I should slow down to pass them? Fuck that. I'm blowing by the bastards.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 24, 2010, 11:59:25 PM
giving fast drivers a bad name. this is the reason why the speed limit won't be raised to 100 ever, because people keep abusing the privilege by being complete morons.
I think a speed limit 100 wouldn't be seriously considered just because that seems to be shorthand for "ludicrously fast" for many people. Speed limit 80, maybe even 90, seems rational to people, but 100 is just too much. It's a psychological thing.
He was just playing the Dukes of Hazzard.
That was one crazy crash.
Quote from: bugo on August 25, 2010, 02:10:04 AM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 25, 2010, 01:41:38 AM
I honestly don't care if people speed, but they shouldn't blow past people in adjacent lanes who are going 25 MPH slower than them.
If I'm doing 75 (the speed limit) on the turnpike, and somebody is doing 50, you're saying I should slow down to pass them? Fuck that. I'm blowing by the bastards.
I'm all for enforced minimum speed limits, but that's generally not a problem unless the driver is too old to drive, carrying a heavy load, or has car problems.
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And on the last two, if you discover that you can't keep up a decent speed due what you're hauling or car problems come up. Get off the highway as soon as possible. Especially in the latter case, it may not be your "fault" you can't go fast enough, but you're still a safety hazard regardless of whose fault it is.
Quote from: Duke87 on August 24, 2010, 01:03:06 PM
Might want to review the design/installation of that guardrail. It's supposed to stop cars, not launch them into the air!
To be honest, I don't think I even saw a guardrail in the video.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 25, 2010, 01:55:37 AM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 25, 2010, 01:41:38 AM
I honestly don't care if people speed, but they shouldn't blow past people in adjacent lanes who are going 25 MPH slower than them.
then people should consider not going 25mph slower.
So if you want to do 100mph, then I also have to go 100 just to suit you, when I'd rather do 75 or so?
So people shouldn't drive the damn speed limit? I don't get it.. Say the speed limit is 75, if someone going 100 blows by them, then the people actually going the speed limit are doing the "wrong" in your eyes?
I don't get it. I don't get annoyed with people speeding unless:
1) They do stupid shit when they go by.
2) They speed on my road (too many stupid kids here play in the street *also it's illegal to play "ball" in the street here! :ded: )
3) They're driving way fast and swerving between cars.
Other than that if you drive safe while driving fast, I don't really care about it..
BigMatt
Speeding and driving unsafely are not directly related. You can drive unsafely by speeding, but speeding is not at its root unsafe.
Nobody thinks it's a good idea to drive 50 through a neighborhood. Swerving between cars is obviously dangerous, but not because they're speeding, because they're swerving and driving recklessly. Going 82 or even 90 or even 100 instead of 75 on a rural interstate? Probably not so dangerous.
The speed limit is a relatively arbitrary construct- there's loose direct ties, like the whole 85% theory, but speed limits often aren't assigned on that basis. For instance, the freeway speed on I-84 in Eastern Oregon is 65 because some legislators in Portland don't want trucks going more than 55. The geometry of that roadway isn't any different than most roads with a speed limit of 70 or 75, and on those roads it's safe to go 80 or 85. The speed limit on I-80 in Nebraska is 75 while the speed limit on I-70 in Kansas is 70 for...wait...why is that again?
Regardless of the speed limit, there shouldn't be ANYBODY on the road going more than 25 MPH below the flow of traffic. I don't care if the speed limit is 55 and traffic is going 80. They're a danger on the roadway and the legislators responsible for designating that 55 MPH speed limit should be tried for conspiracy to commit vehicular manslaughter for encouraging cars to drive 25 MPH below the flow of traffic. Just because the law is the law doesn't mean the law is correct.
It's the same thing as a post I made in another thread about legislation of morality failing. Speed limits fail when they're artificially low because people see the law as a pointless construct. When the law doesn't jive with the beliefs, particularly in a situation where you're dealing with massive amounts of people, it tends to be ignored. Those that choose to follow it to the letter end up in the minority, and then they're the ones that are the danger on the roadway.
If I'm driving, I keep up with the flow of traffic. If that means traffic is mostly going 90 in a 55, I'll also go 90 in a 55 rather than endanger everyone else by going 55 in the right lane. If that means traffic is mostly going 40 in a 55, that means I'm going 40 in a 55 as opposed to swerving around like an asshat trying to pass everyone else. The legal thing to do and the safe thing to do are often not the same. I'll always err on the safe side, and if I ever got a ticket for keeping up with the flow of traffic I will fight it to the bitter end.
Quote from: corco on August 25, 2010, 08:24:06 PM
Regardless of the speed limit, there shouldn't be ANYBODY on the road going more than 25 MPH below the flow of traffic. I don't care if the speed limit is 55 and traffic is going 80. They're a danger on the roadway and the legislators responsible for designating that 55 MPH speed limit should be tried for conspiracy to commit vehicular manslaughter for encouraging cars to drive 25 MPH below the flow of traffic. Just because the law is the law doesn't mean the law is correct.
You're a Westerner. Here in the east, a lot of roads are signed at 55 MPH because they're designed to that standard - sharper curves, less superelevation, low clearances, bad sight distance, frequent exits. A few in the NYC area: Connecticut Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, I-80. A lot of cars (by which I mean, roughly 20% depending on day/time) travel at 80 MPH, while some (roughly 10%) travel at 55 MPH. We all get by - in part because we have 3 or more lanes on those roads. But it works.
QuoteYou're a Westerner. Here in the east, a lot of roads are signed at 55 MPH because they're designed to that standard - sharper curves, less superelevation, low clearances, bad sight distance, frequent exits. A few in the NYC area: Connecticut Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, I-80. A lot of cars (by which I mean, roughly 20% depending on day/time) travel at 80 MPH, while some (roughly 10%) travel at 55 MPH. We all get by - in part because we have 3 or more lanes on those roads. But it works.
But then the average flow of traffic is probably somewhere around 65-70 if 10% are going 55 and 20% are going 80, so that's a 10-15 MPH flow of traffic variation from the average as opposed to a few rogue cars going 55 while everyone else is going 80...which, ok, sure that probably only occurs in the west, but the point still stands- if 95% of traffic is going 80 and 5% is going 55, the legislators who put up that 55 sign are endangering lives.
And yes, I just made up those numbers, so that hypothetical may or may not actually exist. It may be that even in the situations I'm thinking of (I-25 where it drops to 55 in Denver, for example), it's not quite so bimodal but it feels that way
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And, that's why I dislike ticketing for "not keeping up with the flow of traffic."
In your hypothetical 80/55mph scenario, the cops could ticket you no matter what you were doing. Obviously, they could ticket you for speeding if you're going 80 and the "everybody was doing it" argument falls prey to "well we can't arrest everybody and you were breaking the law."
But, doing 55 in that scenario you could be ticketed for being a safety hazard.
In other words, a no potential no-win situation. In reality, the local authorities will only get you for one or the other, but if you're not a local, good luck.
But, I guess if you're potentially damned if you do and damned if you don't, then I reluctantly say go 80. If you're not ticketed, you'll get there faster. (and maybe even if you are)
NOTE TO OUR EUROPEAN MEMBERS
On a different note, I'm sure that speed differential on the German Autobahns can be much greater than 25mph (40kph). So, how is it generally treated and how safe is it?
Yeah- I can't imagine how to enforce it with existing laws in place- our society is so centered on speed limits being super important even when we routinely violate and disagree with them that there's little way to succeed. As a whole, we seem convinced that speed kills while thinking speed limits are bad, which is really weird. So yeah, I'm in full agreement with you on reluctantly doing 80.
If I were to get ticketed for speeding while keeping up with the flow of traffic, I'd fight on the grounds of civil disobedience against an unjust law and attempt to prove that the 55 MPH speed limit is illegal. I would likely fail for a myriad of reasons, many invalid, all cloaked in the name of society's mantra that "speeding kills"
well if I'm going to get a ticket - damned if I do and damned if I don't - then the least they can do is give me a ticket for going fast.
speeding does not kill. going too fucking slowly because you're an idiot - that kills.
Quote from: mightyace on August 25, 2010, 09:16:46 PMNOTE TO OUR EUROPEAN MEMBERS
On a different note, I'm sure that speed differential on the German Autobahns can be much greater than 25mph (40kph). So, how is it generally treated and how safe is it?
The real problem on the German
Autobahnen has more to do with high truck percentages. The EU mandates differential speed limits for HGVs and buses and modal split for freight is skewed much more toward roads rather than rail (at least by weight) than is the case in the USA. So the real challenge is choosing a speed for overtaking trucks which is low enough to leave a margin of error for unexpected lane changing maneuvers but high enough not to unreasonably delay following vehicles which want to go even faster. Road geometry tends not to force sharp changes in speed (except in some older mountainous stretches) because the Germans, unlike us, long ago abandoned the long-tangent, short-circular-curve approach to highway design.
Edit: In regard to the question of speed differentials, the problem of badly timed lane changing maneuvers is mitigated by the generally higher standard of driver training, which leads directly to firm lane discipline. However, overall the German safety record with respect to motorway fatalities is not all that much better than in the US. According to IRTAD data we have 5.2 fatalities per billion vehicle km on the Interstates, followed by Germany with 4.5 on the
Autobahnen, 2.5 on Swiss
Autobahnen, and 2.2 on British motorways. The guideline maximum speed on derestricted
Autobahnen is 130 km/h, while Swiss motorways tend to have low speed limits and Britain has a 70 MPH general motorway speed limit which is widely flouted except in construction workzones with SPECS (average speed camera) enforcement (19% of drivers exceed 80 MPH). Considering our level of physiographic variation, the fact that our Interstates include a substantial proportion of urban mileage, and the general lack of a culture of perspective evaluation of proposed highway alignments, I think we actually do quite well.
I've also read German driving lessons include driving 120 miles per hour on the Autobahn, so these people know how to handle high speed limits. Also; the cars that drive very fast (over 90 mph) tend to be more high-end passenger cars, like Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc. Those are built for speed and have excellent braking systems.
It should be noted that all European trucks are physically limited, usually somewhere between 50 and 55 mph, sometimes 60 mph. So you have trucks driving 55 mph, and passenger cars driving 100 mph.
Another note; most Germans do not actually drive 120 miles per hour all the time. My experience is most cars do not exceed ~100 mph, only a few drive really fast. There is also a large proportion of passenger cars that keeps to 80 - 85 mph.
To be honest I really think it is a mystery why our nation posts speed limits if we routinely speed 10-15 mph over them. I mean whether it's a small street with a 25mph limit (where people do 35-40), a major arterial with 35-45 mph speed limit (where people do 45-60) or a freeway, people are going to do over the speed limit. Obviously we need to increase the speed limits, or give a range that you can do over it without getting a ticket. Keeping them the way they are is doing no one any favors, whether they're speeding with everyone else or doing the speed limit.
Quote from: Chris on August 26, 2010, 10:26:31 AM
It should be noted that all European trucks are physically limited, usually somewhere between 50 and 55 mph, sometimes 60 mph. So you have trucks driving 55 mph, and passenger cars driving 100 mph.
Now that sounds very harrowing. I'm used to having no more than a 10mph speed differential between truck traffic and car traffic here. In many places, there is no differential anymore. If I were a trucker, I'd be a lot more nervous driving (speed differential-wise) in Europe over North America.
Quote from: kj3400 on August 26, 2010, 11:13:28 AM
To be honest I really think it is a mystery why our nation posts speed limits if we routinely speed 10-15 mph over them. I mean whether it's a small street with a 25mph limit (where people do 35-40), a major arterial with 35-45 mph speed limit (where people do 45-60) or a freeway, people are going to do over the speed limit. Obviously we need to increase the speed limits, or give a range that you can do over it without getting a ticket. Keeping them the way they are is doing no one any favors, whether they're speeding with everyone else or doing the speed limit.
I'm all in favor of rational speed limits for surface streets. In fact, 25mph is fine for most residential street with driveways, on-street parking, kids playing, and maybe less than a lane of traffic between parked cars. I'm also in favor of using engineering solutions to slow traffic down. Roundabouts, alternating stop signs, on-street parking (including overnight) all seem to be sane ways to slow down traffic on residential streets. I've seen a few streets where I think the limit could be lower (downtown Houghton, MI comes to mind on US-41 Nbd), and some where it should be higher (Naper Blvd in Naperville - speed limit 35, should be 40). Most surface streets do however have well set limits in urban/suburban areas.
Now, in rural areas, I believe they could be slightly higher. In Illinois, 60mph should be fine for most rural 2 lane highways. There are few driveways, and cross streets are usually limited to one per mile.
As for freeways, here in Illinois, most of them (even within Chicago city limits) could handle 70mph easily, maybe 75mph. There are a few I think sould be slower than that (Ryan local lanes, Kennedy rapid-fire ramps, etc).
Raising or lowering limits should only be done with engineering and environmental (i.e. pedestrians, parking, driveways) factors in mind, not the blind idiocy of a politician.
Quote from: Brandon on August 26, 2010, 12:00:08 PM
Roundabouts, alternating stop signs, on-street parking (including overnight) all seem to be sane ways to slow down traffic on residential streets.
no, no, no. one man's residential street is another man's through route. the idea sounds nice in principle, until the community decides that
every road within their jurisdiction needs to be turned into a low-traffic residential street.
I've had the misfortune of 15 or 20 consecutive four-way stop signs on a main arterial boulevard, simply because the city planners decided to fly in the face of reality, and declare that, by edict, a particular street is not going to be a through route anymore, dang it.
But surely the community can't be that dumb to think no roads are major enough to escape traffic calming. If the street in question is quiet enough for you to be able to count the cars coming down (excluding cars that park on that street, and yes I have sat on my porch and watched cars) and not lose count, it should have methods to control speed.
Quote from: kj3400 on August 26, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
But surely the community can't be that dumb to think no roads are major enough to escape traffic calming.
never underestimate the dumbness of the herd.
Indeed. Within a mile of where I live, there are two major roads that should have four lanes. They have two, because people consider them "residential streets" so the widening projects have been canceled. This leads to odd lane endings and it being virtually impossible to make a left turn onto these roads without a traffic light.
Speed limits are under-posted all over New York. I can only name a few freeways that should be posted lower than 65. Most rural two-lane roads should be 60 or 65, but the max is 55 no matter what on non-freeways (mostly non-interstates as well; the only non-interstates with a 65 mph speed limit are NY 17, US 15, and parts of the Thruway). NY 12 north of Alexandria Bay could easily be signed for 70 or even 80, especially outside of tourist season when there is no traffic of any kind. Additionally, there are some 55 mph zones that are under a mile long and make no sense (NY 17 just west of I-87 and I-81 the mile south of the Thousands Island Bridge).
Even 65 on the Thruway is absurdly low, at least upstate. The only ticket I ever got was going 82 in a 65 west of Schenectady, and it was a matter of me being in a car without cruise control and simply not paying attention to my speed. 82 felt completely natural on that stretch of road.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 26, 2010, 12:00:08 PM
Roundabouts, alternating stop signs, on-street parking (including overnight) all seem to be sane ways to slow down traffic on residential streets.
no, no, no. one man's residential street is another man's through route. the idea sounds nice in principle, until the community decides that every road within their jurisdiction needs to be turned into a low-traffic residential street.
I've had the misfortune of 15 or 20 consecutive four-way stop signs on a main arterial boulevard, simply because the city planners decided to fly in the face of reality, and declare that, by edict, a particular street is not going to be a through route anymore, dang it.
Except you've deemed every route is a through route. If you think you can drive so damn fast, go jump the Snake River.
Quote from: Adam Smith on August 27, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Except you've deemed every route is a through route. If you think you can drive so damn fast, go jump the Snake River.
not correct. Only if they are clearly is geographically instantiated as a through route - i.e. it links to the only road out of town on both ends.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2010, 04:37:13 AM
speeding does not kill. going too fucking slowly because you're an idiot - that kills.
Agreed. I have mentioned in an earlier thread that speed itself doesn't kill. The
DIFFERENCE in speed DOES KILL. In Ohio, there are most freeways that are signed 65 that can actually be increased to 70, some signed 55 and 60 that can actually be increased to 60 and 65, and the like.
Unless that happens, I'll drive the limit established on the sign.
Quote from: The Premier on August 30, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
The DIFFERENCE in speed DOES KILL.
then don't go 60 when everyone else is doing 85.