As said in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=33033.0), July is many people's least favorite because only MLB of Big Four leagues play (and MLS). But that could change. What would you do to change sports seasons' dates? At least NBA finals could end in July, and minor football leagues would play their seasons from February to July, as well as minor baseball and soccer leagues too. What are your thoughts?
I'd stagger the big four playoffs so that there's one every three months. Adding in MLS, the major college sports and periodic worldwide events would give each year a playoff or major sporting event in nine of the twelve months:
January: NFL playoffs
February: (Winter Olympics)
March: College basketball tournaments
April: NHL playoffs
May:
June: College World Series
July: NBA playoffs
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
September:
October: MLB playoffs
November: MLS playoffs
December: College football bowl games
The WNBA should become more popular.
Quote from: 1 on August 23, 2023, 01:49:17 PM
The WNBA should become more popular.
Some basketball leagues should play in summer at outdoors. I once thought that all official basketball games are played at outdoors.
^^ What is this outdoors place that basketball games should be played at?
Quote from: Big John on August 23, 2023, 02:05:37 PM
^^ What is this outdoors place that basketball games should be played at?
A local outdoors basketball court, like in a park.
I maintain that the NFL should go back to a 16-game season, start Labor Day weekend, and make every team's bye the first week of November.
Quote from: thspfc on August 23, 2023, 03:13:47 PM
I maintain that the NFL should go back to a 16-game season, start Labor Day weekend, and make every team's bye the first week of November.
NFL should go to both fall and spring sport, to avoid competing with college football. The regular season would start on the weekend of the first Sunday in November, end 17 weeks after it (on the weekend of Sunday between February 28 and March 6, next year March 3, can be leap day). Playoffs would start on the following weekand and Super Bowl would be played on Sunday between April 4 and April 10 (or April 3 in leap years when the start has been on November 1, such as 2016 and 2044).
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
Not ideal for a number of reasons, namely the European season starting around that time and the risk of weather disruptions is higher than in July.
It's fun to hypothesize, but the NFL is never going to change their season.
Labor Day weekend pulled weak ratings, thus the move to the week after for the start of the season.
Starting earlier runs the risk of heat problems in the south.
Starting later gets you mid-January to mid-February games in the north.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 23, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
It's fun to hypothesize, but the NFL is never going to change their season.
Labor Day weekend pulled weak ratings, thus the move to the week after for the start of the season.
Starting earlier runs the risk of heat problems in the south.
Starting later gets you mid-January to mid-February games in the north.
Maybe NFL should play entirely in the spring.
Quote from: Bruce on August 23, 2023, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
Not ideal for a number of reasons, namely the European season starting around that time and the risk of weather disruptions is higher than in July.
Acknowledging that my list was American-centric, but looking back at recent Olympics and World Cup it appeared they start the last week of July and go into mid-August, so it was just a shift of one week.
Quote from: 1 on August 23, 2023, 01:49:17 PM
The WNBA should become more popular.
Absolutely agree, their playoffs could go in the May slot.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 23, 2023, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on August 23, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
It's fun to hypothesize, but the NFL is never going to change their season.
Labor Day weekend pulled weak ratings, thus the move to the week after for the start of the season.
Starting earlier runs the risk of heat problems in the south.
Starting later gets you mid-January to mid-February games in the north.
Maybe NFL should play entirely in the spring.
They dominate the Fall. Spring brings competition with March Madness, Masters, Kentucky Derby, Indy 500, etc.
The NFL isn't moving their season. Period.
Minor league baseball won't change because of player movement between the teams (especially AAA) and the parent teams during the Major League season. I did like it better when the minor league seasons ended at Labor Day and the MLB rosters expanded to 40 players in September so that some of the more promising minor-leaguers got a taste of the big leagues at the end of the season.
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 23, 2023, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
Not ideal for a number of reasons, namely the European season starting around that time and the risk of weather disruptions is higher than in July.
Acknowledging that my list was American-centric, but looking back at recent Olympics and World Cup it appeared they start the last week of July and go into mid-August, so it was just a shift of one week.
The last few have been different than normal, due to a variety of factors (hosting in the Southern Hemisphere + pandemic). Normally, the World Cup begins in June and ends in July; this is the general timeframe for the 2026 event in North America.
Quote from: Bruce on August 23, 2023, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 23, 2023, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
Not ideal for a number of reasons, namely the European season starting around that time and the risk of weather disruptions is higher than in July.
Acknowledging that my list was American-centric, but looking back at recent Olympics and World Cup it appeared they start the last week of July and go into mid-August, so it was just a shift of one week.
The last few have been different than normal, due to a variety of factors (hosting in the Southern Hemisphere + pandemic). Normally, the World Cup begins in June and ends in July; this is the general timeframe for the 2026 event in North America.
This year has Women's World Cup. It used to start in June and end in July like men's, but this year changed the schedule. If men's event is held in Southern Hemisphere, it is held in June-July (local winter), as happened in 1930, 1950, 1962, 1978, 2010 and 2014.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 24, 2023, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: Bruce on August 23, 2023, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Bruce on August 23, 2023, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
Not ideal for a number of reasons, namely the European season starting around that time and the risk of weather disruptions is higher than in July.
Acknowledging that my list was American-centric, but looking back at recent Olympics and World Cup it appeared they start the last week of July and go into mid-August, so it was just a shift of one week.
The last few have been different than normal, due to a variety of factors (hosting in the Southern Hemisphere + pandemic). Normally, the World Cup begins in June and ends in July; this is the general timeframe for the 2026 event in North America.
This year has Women's World Cup. It used to start in June and end in July like men's, but this year changed the schedule. If men's event is held in Southern Hemisphere, it is held in June-July (local winter), as happened in 1930, 1950, 1962, 1978, 2010 and 2014.
But in the area where it was played, the Pacific Ocean definitely has a moderating effect on temperatures and 'local winters' are quite pleasant.
Mike
Quote from: DTComposer on August 23, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
I'd stagger the big four playoffs so that there's one every three months. Adding in MLS, the major college sports and periodic worldwide events would give each year a playoff or major sporting event in nine of the twelve months:
January: NFL playoffs
February: (Winter Olympics)
March: College basketball tournaments
April: NHL playoffs
May:
June: College World Series
July: NBA playoffs
August: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
September:
October: MLB playoffs
November: MLS playoffs
December: College football bowl games
Here's what I'd do, including All-Star Games and championship contests:
January: NFL playoffs/
NHL All-Star GameFebruary: (Winter Olympics)/
NFL Pro Bowl and Super Bowl/
NBA All-Star GameMarch: College basketball tournaments
April: NHL playoffs
May:
NBA Playoffs/
Stanley Cup FinalsJune: College World Series/
NBA FinalsJuly:
MLB and WNBA All-Star GamesAugust: (Summer Olympics, Men's World Cup, Women's World Cup)
September:
WNBA Playoffs and FinalsOctober: MLB playoffs and World Series
November: MLS playoffs and MLS Cup
December: College football bowl games
Minor professional football would be big deal. The regular season in most leagues would start in early May, run until mid-August, after which playoffs would start, and the championship games would be played in late September. There would also be promotion and relegation in these leagues.
CFL should start earlier, in early May rather than mid-June.
I've believed that the four major sports should begin their regular seasons in or around major holidays:
MLB: Memorial Day (or sometime from mid-May forward)
NFL: Labor Day
NHL: Halloween
NBA: Christmas
All four begin their seasons well before then, of course. But it makes no sense to begin baseball in late March or the NBA when baseball is in the midst of its playoffs and everyone is watching the NFL. Many fans (myself included) don't really pay attention to the Big 4 until the respective holidays.
Moving everything later by two months wouldn't fix anything; it would just shift the months around.
"15 seconds" notice again, and as before, someone made a post in a completely different part of the forum under 15 seconds ago from when I tried.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 26, 2023, 02:48:37 PM
Minor professional football would be big deal. The regular season in most leagues would start in early May, run until mid-August, after which playoffs would start, and the championship games would be played in late September. There would also be promotion and relegation in these leagues.
CFL should start earlier, in early May rather than mid-June.
As long as college football exists in its current form, there will never be a minor league for the NFL. Why bother, when you have a fully-formed minor league infrastructure in place that the NFL has no financial or legal responsibility for?
Quote from: DTComposer on August 28, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 26, 2023, 02:48:37 PM
Minor professional football would be big deal. The regular season in most leagues would start in early May, run until mid-August, after which playoffs would start, and the championship games would be played in late September. There would also be promotion and relegation in these leagues.
CFL should start earlier, in early May rather than mid-June.
As long as college football exists in its current form, there will never be a minor league for the NFL. Why bother, when you have a fully-formed minor league infrastructure in place that the NFL has no financial or legal responsibility for?
The "minor professional" leagues would be independent from NFL, like independent baseball leagues. No promotion and relegation would exist between them and NFL, but promotion and relegation would exist within minor leagues. Like in soccer, where some MLS expansion teams have been brought to MLS from USL, new NFL expansion teams would be brought from top level minor leagues, but it would not be automatic.
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 28, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 26, 2023, 02:48:37 PM
Minor professional football would be big deal. The regular season in most leagues would start in early May, run until mid-August, after which playoffs would start, and the championship games would be played in late September. There would also be promotion and relegation in these leagues.
CFL should start earlier, in early May rather than mid-June.
As long as college football exists in its current form, there will never be a minor league for the NFL. Why bother, when you have a fully-formed minor league infrastructure in place that the NFL has no financial or legal responsibility for?
The "minor professional" leagues would be independent from NFL, like independent baseball leagues. No promotion and relegation would exist between them and NFL, but promotion and relegation would exist within minor leagues. Like in soccer, where some MLS expansion teams have been brought to MLS from USL, new NFL expansion teams would be brought from top level minor leagues, but it would not be automatic.
No, USA will never have promotion/relegation. Marketing dollars wasted! Stadium deals annulled! Our country just can't.
Quote from: Alps on August 29, 2023, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 28, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 26, 2023, 02:48:37 PM
Minor professional football would be big deal. The regular season in most leagues would start in early May, run until mid-August, after which playoffs would start, and the championship games would be played in late September. There would also be promotion and relegation in these leagues.
CFL should start earlier, in early May rather than mid-June.
As long as college football exists in its current form, there will never be a minor league for the NFL. Why bother, when you have a fully-formed minor league infrastructure in place that the NFL has no financial or legal responsibility for?
The "minor professional" leagues would be independent from NFL, like independent baseball leagues. No promotion and relegation would exist between them and NFL, but promotion and relegation would exist within minor leagues. Like in soccer, where some MLS expansion teams have been brought to MLS from USL, new NFL expansion teams would be brought from top level minor leagues, but it would not be automatic.
No, USA will never have promotion/relegation. Marketing dollars wasted! Stadium deals annulled! Our country just can't.
Promotion/relegation is the best thing that can exist in sports. US should definitely have it. It is fun when a big team is relegated or a team is promoted after many decades of absence.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
Name one.
Quote from: GaryV on August 30, 2023, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
Name one.
I mean, I agree with you guys, but Kurt Warner is an easy example here. Played for the Iowa Barnstormers in the arena league.
If a pro/rel system were implemented, what would eventually happen is the top ~20-25 franchises would scoop all the talent, and the remaining teams would bounce between leagues playing ugly, unwatchable football and getting slaughtered by the legit NFL teams.
Quote from: thspfc on August 30, 2023, 05:13:33 PM
If a pro/rel system were implemented, what would eventually happen is the top ~20-25 franchises would scoop all the talent, and the remaining teams would bounce between leagues playing ugly, unwatchable football and getting slaughtered by the legit NFL teams.
And have even more guys getting hurt since, if nothing else, you'd have QBs playing behind shitty O-lines against dominant D-lines.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 30, 2023, 02:11:50 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 29, 2023, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 28, 2023, 04:22:17 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 26, 2023, 02:48:37 PM
Minor professional football would be big deal. The regular season in most leagues would start in early May, run until mid-August, after which playoffs would start, and the championship games would be played in late September. There would also be promotion and relegation in these leagues.
CFL should start earlier, in early May rather than mid-June.
As long as college football exists in its current form, there will never be a minor league for the NFL. Why bother, when you have a fully-formed minor league infrastructure in place that the NFL has no financial or legal responsibility for?
The "minor professional" leagues would be independent from NFL, like independent baseball leagues. No promotion and relegation would exist between them and NFL, but promotion and relegation would exist within minor leagues. Like in soccer, where some MLS expansion teams have been brought to MLS from USL, new NFL expansion teams would be brought from top level minor leagues, but it would not be automatic.
No, USA will never have promotion/relegation. Marketing dollars wasted! Stadium deals annulled! Our country just can't.
Promotion/relegation is the best thing that can exist in sports. US should definitely have it. It is fun when a big team is relegated or a team is promoted after many decades of absence.
In a foreign country where allegiances remain with teams regardless of their level.
Quote from: thspfc on August 30, 2023, 05:13:33 PM
If a pro/rel system were implemented, what would eventually happen is the top ~20-25 franchises would scoop all the talent, and the remaining teams would bounce between leagues playing ugly, unwatchable football and getting slaughtered by the legit NFL teams.
Poiponen, if you want to see this post in action, watch Alabama's annual pay to play game against Central Wyoming State or East Indiana Technical College. No one wants that.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 30, 2023, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 30, 2023, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
Name one.
I mean, I agree with you guys, but Kurt Warner is an easy example here. Played for the Iowa Barnstormers in the arena league.
True, but he played college before that. It wasn't a minor leagues to major leagues type of thing that you see in baseball, for example, where the player started directly in the minors. And yes, that is getting less and less common as college baseball becomes more prominent.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Easter isn't even during the season half the time.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 11, 2023, 09:44:28 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on August 29, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Quote from: Big John on August 29, 2023, 10:30:55 AM
The NFL had a couple minor leagues - WLAF and NFL Europe. They did not catch on and very few players in those leagues actually made an NFL roster later on.
But many players from top-level independent minor leagues would make to NFL.
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Easter isn't even during the season half the time.
If Opening Day is on Thursday between March 26 and April 1, Easter does not fall on season if Easter is on between March 22 and 28. This is only 7 dates, and next such date is March 28 in 2027. Maybe MLB should start on March 25 then.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Baseballs should be blue.
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Baseballs should be blue.
Why? I know that baseball is only Big Four sport that is not associated with any holidays (NFL plays on Thanksgiving, NBA on Christmas Day and NHL on Boxing Day), and that should change. Easter is my favorite holiday because of defining of its date (can be any between March 22 and April 25), and Easter games featuring rivals would be success.
Nobody cares about Boxing Day in the US.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Baseballs should be blue.
Why? I know that baseball is only Big Four sport that is not associated with any holidays (NFL plays on Thanksgiving, NBA on Christmas Day and NHL on Boxing Day), and that should change. Easter is my favorite holiday because of defining of its date (can be any between March 22 and April 25), and Easter games featuring rivals would be success.
The Fubon Guardians should be part of the Frontier League. Their jerseys would be jade green, and all the players' numbers would be primes. All of their games would be played on Tuesdays.
Poiponen is, as usual, either mistaken, ignorant, or both. The NHL is not "associated with" December 26. The collective bargaining agreement requires a Christmas break and provides that no games or "team activities" are allowed on December 24 or 25, and the only time games are allowed on December 26 is when that date falls on a Saturday (in which case no games are allowed on December 23). The CBA also prohibits teams from traveling during the Christmas break–a few years ago the Maple Leafs were fined $100,000 for making the players travel on December 26 in advance of a game on December 27 in St. Louis.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2023, 11:31:41 AM
Poiponen is, as usual, either mistaken, ignorant, or both. The NHL is not "associated with" December 26. The collective bargaining agreement requires a Christmas break and provides that no games or "team activities" are allowed on December 24 or 25, and the only time games are allowed on December 26 is when that date falls on a Saturday (in which case no games are allowed on December 23). The CBA also prohibits teams from traveling during the Christmas break–a few years ago the Maple Leafs were fined $100,000 for making the players travel on December 26 in advance of a game on December 27 in St. Louis.
I surely remember about reading from lost Wikipedia article:
Quote from: A Wikipedia article (I have forgotten which)
Baseball and soccer are not commonly associatd with any holidays, but as baseball plays almost every day...
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This article mentioned that NHL is associated with some holiday. Sadly I can't remember which article it was. But for Boxing Day, I remembered wrong.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Baseballs should be blue.
Why? I know that baseball is only Big Four sport that is not associated with any holidays (NFL plays on Thanksgiving, NBA on Christmas Day and NHL on Boxing Day), and that should change. Easter is my favorite holiday because of defining of its date (can be any between March 22 and April 25), and Easter games featuring rivals would be success.
Baseball plays games on Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day - three of the most "patriotic" holidays America has, and fitting for a sport long considered "America's Pastime."
Quote from: DTComposer on September 11, 2023, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Baseballs should be blue.
Why? I know that baseball is only Big Four sport that is not associated with any holidays (NFL plays on Thanksgiving, NBA on Christmas Day and NHL on Boxing Day), and that should change. Easter is my favorite holiday because of defining of its date (can be any between March 22 and April 25), and Easter games featuring rivals would be success.
Baseball plays games on Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day - three of the most "patriotic" holidays America has, and fitting for a sport long considered "America's Pastime."
And on Easter in most years, including 2022, 2023 and 2024. But no particular games (rivalries) are associated with these days, like in NFL where Detroit Lions and Dallas Cowboys host a game each on Thanksgiving every year.
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 11, 2023, 11:31:41 AM
Poiponen is, as usual, either mistaken, ignorant, or both. The NHL is not "associated with" December 26. The collective bargaining agreement requires a Christmas break and provides that no games or "team activities" are allowed on December 24 or 25, and the only time games are allowed on December 26 is when that date falls on a Saturday (in which case no games are allowed on December 23). The CBA also prohibits teams from traveling during the Christmas break–a few years ago the Maple Leafs were fined $100,000 for making the players travel on December 26 in advance of a game on December 27 in St. Louis.
The only sport I know of that has Boxing Day as an "associated holiday" is English football.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
All flags thrown will be jade green, because I like it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
All US sports games will commence at at 2:15 AM, local time. DST will not be observed.
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
All US sports games will commence at at 2:15 AM, local time. DST will not be observed.
You still post nonsense. Do you think that playing natural rivalries on Easter would be good and imitates NFL Thanksgiving games?
Serious question: Will any baseball games have the eclipse next year happen during the game?
Quote from: 1 on September 11, 2023, 01:54:35 PM
Serious question: Will any baseball games have the eclipse next year happen during the game?
In theory it's quite possible as that Monday may be a home opener for some teams who like to have afternoon home openers. I don't believe most teams have announced game times though yet which usually come after the schedule has been announced.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
All US sports games will commence at at 2:15 AM, local time. DST will not be observed.
You still post nonsense. Do you think that playing natural rivalries on Easter would be good and imitates NFL Thanksgiving games?
All sports rivalries will be played on Saint Valentine's Day. All participating coaches will perform the
Aira Fortuna from Mozart's
Il sogno di Scipione [K. 126] before play begins. Booing will be prohibited.
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
All US sports games will commence at at 2:15 AM, local time. DST will not be observed.
You still post nonsense. Do you think that playing natural rivalries on Easter would be good and imitates NFL Thanksgiving games?
All sports rivalries will be played on Saint Valentine's Day. All participating coaches will perform the Aira Fortuna from Mozart's Il sogno di Scipione [K. 126] before play begins. Booing will be prohibited.
Use of the standard poncho will, of course, be mandatory.
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on August 31, 2023, 09:29:27 PM
I just don't see it happening - with college football as it is, any player with NFL potential will get a scholarship, the opportunity for a college education if they want, now with NIL rules they'll get a piece of the action, and if they're good enough they'll get drafted. That's the minor league system.
Any minor league outside of that will be made up of D1 washouts, D2 players, and NFL players past their prime, as has been the case with previous attempts. The level of competition would get blown out by your top D1 teams - and since every market of significant size already has a rooting interest in an NFL and/or D1 team, there's no value added by bringing in what's essentially a Group of Five team.
MLB should play rivalries on Easter. It falls on the early season and natural rivalries would be played on this day.
Baseballs should be blue.
That way they can be seen in the snow when they play games on Easter.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
All US sports games will commence at at 2:15 AM, local time. DST will not be observed.
You still post nonsense. Do you think that playing natural rivalries on Easter would be good and imitates NFL Thanksgiving games?
I do not. For one, the only "regular" Thanksgiving football game is Detroit-Dallas - all other games rotate between teams and are often not rivalries. In fact, Detroit-Dallas isn't really a rivalry - just a game that happens to be on the same day each season. (neither team's Wikipedia articles lists the other team in their "rivalries" section)
Two, as mentioned above, it would require shifting the regular season back a week to accommodate all possible Easter dates, and with the weather that time of year, there would be more possibilities of postponements/delays/etc.
Three, Easter is still for the most part a religious holiday - even if non-Christians use it as an excuse to get the family together, have an egg hunt, etc., it is the most Christian holiday on the American calendar, and I don't think tying a sporting event to it makes sense. (I acknowledge there's a lot of sports on Christmas, but Christmas is celebrated on a secular level to a much greater extent than Easter)
If you really want a holiday for baseball, Memorial Day makes the most sense. It's a Federal Holiday, weather is good, it's American.
Quote from: DTComposer on September 11, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
I do not. For one, the only "regular" Thanksgiving football game is Detroit-Dallas - all other games rotate between teams and are often not rivalries. In fact, Detroit-Dallas isn't really a rivalry - just a game that happens to be on the same day each season. (neither team's Wikipedia articles lists the other team in their "rivalries" section)
Detroit and Dallas both host Thanksgiving games every year--they don't play each other.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 11, 2023, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on September 11, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
I do not. For one, the only "regular" Thanksgiving football game is Detroit-Dallas - all other games rotate between teams and are often not rivalries. In fact, Detroit-Dallas isn't really a rivalry - just a game that happens to be on the same day each season. (neither team's Wikipedia articles lists the other team in their "rivalries" section)
Detroit and Dallas both host Thanksgiving games every year--they don't play each other.
Oh boy, you're totally right. Don't know how I got that conflated - thank you for the correction.
Quote from: DTComposer on September 11, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
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Three, Easter is still for the most part a religious holiday - even if non-Christians use it as an excuse to get the family together, have an egg hunt, etc., it is the most Christian holiday on the American calendar, and I don't think tying a sporting event to it makes sense. (I acknowledge there's a lot of sports on Christmas, but Christmas is celebrated on a secular level to a much greater extent than Easter)
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To that end, I remember during the 2003 Stanley Cup Playoffs the NHL scheduled the Washington Capitals to host home games on both the first night of Passover and the afternoon of Easter Sunday; the latter game went three overtimes. Attendance suffered for both games and ownership was decidedly displeased about it.
Quote from: DTComposer on September 11, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 11, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 11, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 11, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
In 2025 all sports rivalries will be played on Flag Day. All refs will throw twice as many penalties as usual because it is Flag Day.
What does that mean? I just threw a funny proposal to play "natural rivalries" on Easter. This has been on my mind about three years.
All US sports games will commence at at 2:15 AM, local time. DST will not be observed.
You still post nonsense. Do you think that playing natural rivalries on Easter would be good and imitates NFL Thanksgiving games?
I do not. For one, the only "regular" Thanksgiving football game is Detroit-Dallas - all other games rotate between teams and are often not rivalries. In fact, Detroit-Dallas isn't really a rivalry - just a game that happens to be on the same day each season. (neither team's Wikipedia articles lists the other team in their "rivalries" section)
Two, as mentioned above, it would require shifting the regular season back a week to accommodate all possible Easter dates, and with the weather that time of year, there would be more possibilities of postponements/delays/etc.
Three, Easter is still for the most part a religious holiday - even if non-Christians use it as an excuse to get the family together, have an egg hunt, etc., it is the most Christian holiday on the American calendar, and I don't think tying a sporting event to it makes sense. (I acknowledge there's a lot of sports on Christmas, but Christmas is celebrated on a secular level to a much greater extent than Easter)
If you really want a holiday for baseball, Memorial Day makes the most sense. It's a Federal Holiday, weather is good, it's American.
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday. US soccer leagues should also play annual Easter rounds.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 11, 2023, 02:02:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 11, 2023, 01:54:35 PM
Serious question: Will any baseball games have the eclipse next year happen during the game?
In theory it's quite possible as that Monday may be a home opener for some teams who like to have afternoon home openers. I don't believe most teams have announced game times though yet which usually come after the schedule has been announced.
What did they do in 2017? It wasn't opening day or anything, just a regular Monday, but I could imagine that there was some schedule shifting.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
Most countries in Europe play games at Easter. But why US doesn't?
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
The Declaration of Independence confirmed that.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
Most countries in Europe play games at Easter. But why US doesn't?
Some US leagues do. For instance the NBA has 12 gamed scheduled on Good Friday and 10 games scheduled on Easter, 2024.
So stop posting what you don't know about.
Quote from: GaryV on September 12, 2023, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
Most countries in Europe play games at Easter. But why US doesn't?
Some US leagues do. For instance the NBA has 12 gamed scheduled on Good Friday and 10 games scheduled on Easter, 2024.
So stop posting what you don't know about.
All 30 MLB teams will be playing on Easter in 2024.
Quote from: GaryV on September 12, 2023, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
Most countries in Europe play games at Easter. But why US doesn't?
Some US leagues do. For instance the NBA has 12 gamed scheduled on Good Friday and 10 games scheduled on Easter, 2024.
So stop posting what you don't know about.
Do US cand Canadian soccer leagues play games at Easter? At least in Canada, Easter usually is the start of season, so a few games could be played on Easter Monday. Also, Canada Day could have whole round in Canadian leagues, including Canadian Premier League.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: GaryV on September 12, 2023, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
In Europe, soccer leagues at different levels play many games at Easter weekend - leagues in England except Premier League play whole round at Good Friday and another on Easter Monday.
So what? You may (or may not) have noticed that the USA is not in Europe, nor is it England.
Most countries in Europe play games at Easter. But why US doesn't?
Some US leagues do. For instance the NBA has 12 gamed scheduled on Good Friday and 10 games scheduled on Easter, 2024.
So stop posting what you don't know about.
Do US cand Canadian soccer leagues play games at Easter? At least in Canada, Easter usually is the start of season, so a few games could be played on Easter Monday. Also, Canada Day could have whole round in Canadian leagues, including Canadian Premier League.
So now you want us to do the research for you, and look up every sport?
We pointed out 2 examples that contradict your fallacy that US teams don't play at Easter. You can find the rest.
Not to mention NASCAR has recently resumed Easter racing.
The majority of MLS games are played on Saturday for various reasons, including the current TV deal.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 12, 2023, 11:49:17 AM
The majority of MLS games are played on Saturday for various reasons, including the current TV deal.
So are games in England, but Premier League plays a few games every Sunday, one game in most Mondays, one game in some Fridays and a few games each in both Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in rounds that are played entirely on weekdays (usually 2-4 such rounds from total 38). The second-tier Championship plays one game every Friday, one game on some Sundays, one game on Mondays when Premier League doesn't play and equal number of games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in midweek rounds. From third-tier League One down, almost every game takes place either at 3.00pm local time on Saturdays or 7.45pm on Tuesdays.
I don't think anybody here, other than apparently you, gives a damn about how the Brits schedule their games. I don't think you actually care, either; you just want to have another excuse for your endless "Europe does it this way" refrain.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 12, 2023, 12:04:35 PM
I don't think anybody here, other than apparently you, gives a damn about how the Brits schedule their games. I don't think you actually care, either; you just want to have another excuse for your endless "Europe does it this way" refrain.
I like to look historical soccer schedules from live score sites and I nearly always think when I look at soccer league: I wish US did same. I have made many fantasy soccer schedules on Google Sheets and thought if this were real (both past and future years). So I think that it is good to have recurring Friday or Monday game, or whole round at public holiday falling on weekday.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
I like to look historical soccer schedules from live score sites and I nearly always think when I look at soccer league: I wish US did same. I have made many fantasy soccer schedules on Google Sheets and thought if this were real (both past and future years). So I think that it is good to have recurring Friday or Monday game, or whole round at public holiday falling on weekday.
Neither Good Friday nor Easter Monday are federal or bank holidays in the US. (Good Friday is a state holiday in a few states, but that doesn't mean much unless you work for the state government in those states.)
In the US, employers are generally not obliged to follow "official" holiday schedules. While I wouldn't be surprised that some US employers give Good Friday off, I never had it as a work holiday until my present job...and that's only because I'm working on a Québec calendar (where I have my choice of either Good Friday or Easter Monday off; elsewhere in Canada I believe just Good Friday is a "statutory holiday").
Growing up I did, however, usually get a break from school that coincided with Easter weekend.
FWIW, both New England Revolution (MSL) and Hartford Athletic (USL Championship) played matches the Saturday of Easter Weekend. Both teams normally play games on Saturday.
Easter isn't really a big enough holiday in the US to justify special treatment for sports schedules.
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on September 12, 2023, 01:36:02 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
I like to look historical soccer schedules from live score sites and I nearly always think when I look at soccer league: I wish US did same. I have made many fantasy soccer schedules on Google Sheets and thought if this were real (both past and future years). So I think that it is good to have recurring Friday or Monday game, or whole round at public holiday falling on weekday.
Neither Good Friday nor Easter Monday are federal or bank holidays in the US. (Good Friday is a state holiday in a few states, but that doesn't mean much unless you work for the state government in those states.)
In the US, employers are generally not obliged to follow "official" holiday schedules. While I wouldn't be surprised that some US employers give Good Friday off, I never had it as a work holiday until my present job...and that's only because I'm working on a Québec calendar (where I have my choice of either Good Friday or Easter Monday off; elsewhere in Canada I believe just Good Friday is a "statutory holiday").
Growing up I did, however, usually get a break from school that coincided with Easter weekend.
FWIW, both New England Revolution (MSL) and Hartford Athletic (USL Championship) played matches the Saturday of Easter Weekend. Both teams normally play games on Saturday.
Easter isn't really a big enough holiday in the US to justify special treatment for sports schedules.
Good Friday and Easter Monday should be federal holidays in Canada. And maybe a new holiday called Gemerton's Day (I came up with this a couple of years ago). This day would be 157 days after Easter Sunday and next occurrence would be tomorrow. If Gemerton's Day became at least local holiday, it would have sporting events, as I think that every holiday should have sporting events.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
Good Friday and Easter Monday should be federal holidays in Canada. And maybe a new holiday called Gemerton's Day (I came up with this a couple of years ago). This day would be 157 days after Easter Sunday and next occurrence would be tomorrow. If Gemerton's Day became at least local holiday, it would have sporting events, as I think that every holiday should have sporting events.
Good grief, are you really down to saying that there should be sporting events on holidays
that you're making up??
Quote from: kphoger on September 12, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
Good Friday and Easter Monday should be federal holidays in Canada. And maybe a new holiday called Gemerton's Day (I came up with this a couple of years ago). This day would be 157 days after Easter Sunday and next occurrence would be tomorrow. If Gemerton's Day became at least local holiday, it would have sporting events, as I think that every holiday should have sporting events.
Good grief, are you really down to saying that there should be sporting events on holidays that you're making up??
Yes. I think that there should be moveable feast with date determined by date of Easter also in fall, like Pentecost, Ascension and Corpus Christi are in spring. Only every Sunday until mid-November have a designation "Xth Sunday after Pentecost", like previous Sunday was 15th (I have nicknamed this Ambition Sunday). The Gemerton's Day would be August 26 at the earliest and September 29 at the latest. Other similar fall feasts and holidays would also be good.
Well, there are two moveable observances in fall that I can think of, but they're about as purely religious as I can imagine. One of them is this coming weekend. But one issue with trying to use those as holidays in the USA would be that there would be major blowback against trying to use Jewish holy days as the basis for civic holidays. Otherwise, though, what would be the basis for establishing a moveable fall holiday based on the date of Easter? There is no religious observance that does that.
We already have moveable holidays in both September and October (Labor Day and Columbus Day, respectively; they fall on the first Monday of September and the second Monday of October) that are not religious in nature. Columbus Day is widely ignored by the private sector, though.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
Good Friday and Easter Monday should be federal holidays in Canada.
In Canada federal holidays have little relevance outside the federal government, those that contract directly with the federal government, and those in certain federally-regulated industries.
For most workers in Canada, provincial statutory holidays ("stat holidays") are the ones that are relevant.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
Good Friday and Easter Monday should be federal holidays in Canada. And maybe a new holiday called Gemerton's Day (I came up with this a couple of years ago). This day would be 157 days after Easter Sunday and next occurrence would be tomorrow. If Gemerton's Day became at least local holiday, it would have sporting events, as I think that every holiday should have sporting events.
Exactly 157 days?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2023, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2023, 04:39:02 PM
This thread became a 157 mph Category 5 Shitshow.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
While we're on the topic of hurricanes, the category division wind speed thresholds are laughable. You go from 75 to 95 mph winds, the same category, but going from 110 to 130 mph winds is a two category difference. And where the hell did they get 157 from?
MMM. Very disappointed in you. I literally lobbed this one to you and you completely whiffed at what I, and the NWS, did there.
Quote from: 1 on September 13, 2023, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 01:52:18 PM
Good Friday and Easter Monday should be federal holidays in Canada. And maybe a new holiday called Gemerton's Day (I came up with this a couple of years ago). This day would be 157 days after Easter Sunday and next occurrence would be tomorrow. If Gemerton's Day became at least local holiday, it would have sporting events, as I think that every holiday should have sporting events.
Exactly 157 days?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2023, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2023, 04:39:02 PM
This thread became a 157 mph Category 5 Shitshow.
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 24, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
While we're on the topic of hurricanes, the category division wind speed thresholds are laughable. You go from 75 to 95 mph winds, the same category, but going from 110 to 130 mph winds is a two category difference. And where the hell did they get 157 from?
MMM. Very disappointed in you. I literally lobbed this one to you and you completely whiffed at what I, and the NWS, did there.
I counted this in my calculator.
MLS specifically schedules some games on the Fourth of July; Colorado traditionally hosts one and does a fireworks show afterwards. The league could also try and claim Thanksgiving/Black Friday for a playoff round if they so desired. Their first-ever Thanksgiving game in 2021 drew 1.9 million viewers (https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/colorado-portland-thanksgiving-game-on-fox-sets-mls-playoff-viewership-record), which was more than any MLS match since 2004.
There is also some level of traditional scheduling in the other leagues. Aside from what you've mentioned, and the already-mentioned NFL Thanksgiving games in Dallas and Detroit, the Nationals host a home game on July 4 at 11:05 AM so that (barring extra innings) it's over well in advance of the downtown events that night. The Red Sox host a home game the morning of the Boston Marathon (which is a state holiday there) so that the game will let out roughly around the time the runners pass Fenway Park. The Capitals traditionally play home games the night before and the day after Thanksgiving and early in the afternoon on Super Bowl Sunday.
But one point that has been made in this thread that Poiponen probably doesn't understand is that no state is required to follow the federal holiday calendar, and no private business is required to follow either one. About 20 years ago, the Capitals scheduled afternoon home games on Columbus Day and Veterans Day. They more or less assumed everyone had the day off because DC is dominated by federal government workers. They quickly learned otherwise due to massive negative pushback from the large part of the fan base that didn't work for the government. They've never repeated that mistake. That sort of thing is one reason why a glib "every holiday should have sports" is an absurd oversimplification. It doesn't do the league or the teams much good to schedule a game if people can't attend or watch. (To be sure, Thanksgiving and Christmas are pretty universal, and July 4 is close to universal except for retail.)
Columbus Day should be celebrated as "Native Americans Day" and games on that day (e.g. NFL) could feature some Native American themed.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 14, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
Columbus Day should be celebrated as "Native Americans Day" and games on that day (e.g. NFL) could feature some Native American themed.
Several states now use the term Indigenous Peoples' Day.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 14, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
... could feature some Native American themed.
This could end up being worse that expected...
NFL games on Columbus Day featuring Washington wearing Redskins-themed throwbacks!!!!!!!
(The name of the federal holiday is Columbus Day.)
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 12, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
So I think that it is good to have recurring Friday or Monday game, or whole round at public holiday falling on weekday.
It's not. It's bad. Real real bad.
Quote from: Big John on September 14, 2023, 12:05:29 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 14, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
Columbus Day should be celebrated as "Native Americans Day" and games on that day (e.g. NFL) could feature some Native American themed.
Several states now use the term Indigenous Peoples' Day.
And some tribes have their own holiday that supersedes Columbus Day. In the Chickasaw Nation, for instance, it's Piomingo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piomingo) Day.
Talking about making changes to sports schedules is fun, but realize that every sports league has people who study attendance and TV patterns for a living, and leagues make their schedules accordingly. If a particular sport doesn't play on a particular day when you think they should, they have a good reason why they don't. Nothing is arbitrary.
Golf rearranged their entire calendar based on getting their top events away from football weekends.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 14, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
Talking about making changes to sports schedules is fun, but realize that every sports league has people who study attendance and TV patterns for a living, and leagues make their schedules accordingly. If a particular sport doesn't play on a particular day when you think they should, they have a good reason why they don't. Nothing is arbitrary.
Golf rearranged their entire calendar based on getting their top events away from football weekends.
Indeed. For many, many years the NFL avoided playing on Christmas Day after the problem that occurred in 1971 with the Dolphins—Chiefs playoff game on Christmas. It's still the longest game in NFL history–it ended 7:40 into the second overtime. That year was the first time the NFL had scheduled games on Christmas, and they got so much criticism for it, especially as a result of the length of the Dolphin game, that they didn't schedule any other games on Christmas until 1989, and the significant change that had occurred by then was that playoff games could no longer fall on Christmas due to the regular season being longer than it was in 1971.
NASCAR avoided racing on Mother's Day for a long time because they found attendance and viewership both suffered.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 14, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
Talking about making changes to sports schedules is fun, but realize that every sports league has people who study attendance and TV patterns for a living, and leagues make their schedules accordingly. If a particular sport doesn't play on a particular day when you think they should, they have a good reason why they don't. Nothing is arbitrary.
It's OK. In my estimation, Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! has already reached troll status.
Quote from: kphoger on September 14, 2023, 12:12:09 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 14, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
... could feature some Native American themed.
This could end up being worse that expected...
If it's done with consultation with the tribes, it can be good.
The Mariners recently hosted a Native American Night with the Muckleshoot Tribe that included a custom jersey that incorporated traditional art and an on-field blessing ceremony. Also a bunch of Mariners baseball camps for the tribe's youth.
The Spokane Indians partnered with the Spokane Tribe instead of changing their name, and now feature a lot of tribal artwork in the stadium and on jerseys, which are even written in the Salish language.
Quote from: Bruce on September 14, 2023, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 14, 2023, 12:12:09 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 14, 2023, 12:01:47 PM
... could feature some Native American themed.
This could end up being worse that expected...
If it's done with consultation with the tribes, it can be good.
Yes. I was imagining that
not being the case.
Quote from: Bruce on September 14, 2023, 03:25:36 PM
The Mariners recently hosted a Native American Night with the Muckleshoot Tribe that included a custom jersey that incorporated traditional art and an on-field blessing ceremony. Also a bunch of Mariners baseball camps for the tribe's youth.
The Spokane Indians partnered with the Spokane Tribe instead of changing their name, and now feature a lot of tribal artwork in the stadium and on jerseys, which are even written in the Salish language.
Both of those cases sound awesome.
Quote from: kphoger on September 14, 2023, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on September 14, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
Talking about making changes to sports schedules is fun, but realize that every sports league has people who study attendance and TV patterns for a living, and leagues make their schedules accordingly. If a particular sport doesn't play on a particular day when you think they should, they have a good reason why they don't. Nothing is arbitrary.
It's OK. In my estimation, Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! has already reached troll status.
But when you're bored, it's fun to pick apart his posts.
Quote from: GaryV on September 14, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
But when you're bored, it's fun to pick apart his posts.
i know right :awesomeface:
Replays should be abolished–at least for proper rounds. However, FA Trophy replays should be brought back.
Falkland Islands and Pitcairn should enter the FA Cup. France lets overseas clubs to enter, yet England doesn't. England should also let them do so.
And, lastly, FA Cup quarter-finals could have a Friday game.
Quote from: kphoger on September 15, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
Replays should be abolished–at least for proper rounds. However, FA Trophy replays should be brought back.
Falkland Islands and Pitcairn should enter the FA Cup. France lets overseas clubs to enter, yet England doesn't. England should also let them do so.
And, lastly, FA Cup quarter-finals could have a Friday game.
Have you collected this from nonleaguematters.co.uk forum, where I am in same username as here?
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 15, 2023, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 15, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
Replays should be abolished–at least for proper rounds. However, FA Trophy replays should be brought back.
Falkland Islands and Pitcairn should enter the FA Cup. France lets overseas clubs to enter, yet England doesn't. England should also let them do so.
And, lastly, FA Cup quarter-finals could have a Friday game.
Have you collected this from nonleaguematters.co.uk forum, where I am in same username as here?
I really like these ideas, and I think they should happen.
All soccer fields should have yard lines painted on them in the way football fields are painted. It would help the commentators in referring to locations on the field and it would help with judging offside calls.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 15, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
All soccer fields should have yard lines painted on them in the way football fields are painted. It would help the commentators in referring to locations on the field and it would help with judging offside calls.
I don't know about offside. But it sure helps determine 10-yard distance from a restart that the opponents can stand. For the refs that is. The players still don't appreciate how far 10 yards is. Even when you point out that the ball is on the 30 yard line, so you have to be at the 20 or farther back.
Quote from: GaryV on September 15, 2023, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 15, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
All soccer fields should have yard lines painted on them in the way football fields are painted. It would help the commentators in referring to locations on the field and it would help with judging offside calls.
I don't know about offside. But it sure helps determine 10-yard distance from a restart that the opponents can stand. For the refs that is. The players still don't appreciate how far 10 yards is. Even when you point out that the ball is on the 30 yard line, so you have to be at the 20 or farther back.
You're measuring 10 yards in a straight line distance to the goal, so the 10 yard lines would actually need to be arcs.
In Canada, local soccer would generally start on the second week of April (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be few weeks later, in early to mid-May), run until late June, when every league would take a break until late July, and then play until first week of October (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be couple of weeks earlier, in mid to late September). The divisions would have 8, 10, 12, 14 or 16 teams.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 15, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
All soccer fields should have yard lines painted on them in the way football fields are painted. It would help the commentators in referring to locations on the field and it would help with judging offside calls.
From a player's perspective the yard lines don't make much difference (and I'm sure many find them annoying), but I've played on a lot of fields with painted football end zones and midfield logos. I actually like them because they help you orient yourself and know exactly where you are without needing to look up.
The other situation where yard lines are helpful is positioning walls on free kicks, though most teams still intentionally delay things anyway by standing too close since there's no consequence for it unless it's egregious.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 24, 2023, 07:22:51 AM
In Canada, local soccer would generally start on the second week of April (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be few weeks later, in early to mid-May), run until late June, when every league would take a break until late July, and then play until first week of October (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be couple of weeks earlier, in mid to late September). The divisions would have 8, 10, 12, 14 or 16 teams.
The break needs a purpose, otherwise it's useless. Summer is usually the best moneymaker for soccer in the US and the same probably holds true for Canada. MLS has a break for Leagues Cup, but what would CPL have?
Quote from: Bruce on September 24, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 24, 2023, 07:22:51 AM
In Canada, local soccer would generally start on the second week of April (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be few weeks later, in early to mid-May), run until late June, when every league would take a break until late July, and then play until first week of October (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be couple of weeks earlier, in mid to late September). The divisions would have 8, 10, 12, 14 or 16 teams.
The break needs a purpose, otherwise it's useless. Summer is usually the best moneymaker for soccer in the US and the same probably holds true for Canada. MLS has a break for Leagues Cup, but what would CPL have?
In Sweden and Norway, most leagues take a break from late June to early August every year. Other countries playing in summer (like Japan, South Korea, Finland, Belarus, Latvia and Estonia) do not generally take such a break, but some leagues there take. And leagues in Japan, South Korea, Sweden and other countries playing in calendar year (which may actually be winter in Southern Hem.), take a break for World Cup, and Sweden (and Norway sometimes too) also for European Championship and South American leagues for Copa America. for example, in 2018 World Cup, the breaks were as follows:
Japan May 19-July 18
S. Korea May 19-July 7
China May 19-July 18
Sweden May 26-July 7
Brazil June 13-July 18
Peru June 9-July 21
Uruguay June 9-July 21
The MLS and CPL should take total "moratorium" for international breaks and take a break for World Cup and Gold Cup.
Quote from: Bruce on September 24, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
The break needs a purpose, otherwise it's useless.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 25, 2023, 07:24:08 AM
Other countries do blah blah blah blah blah. And no, I'm not going to give an actual purpose to the break. That is to say, I'm not going to actually answer the post I'm quoting.
FTFY
Quote from: kphoger on September 25, 2023, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: Bruce on September 24, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
The break needs a purpose, otherwise it's useless.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 25, 2023, 07:24:08 AM
Other countries do blah blah blah blah blah. And no, I'm not going to give an actual purpose to the break. That is to say, I'm not going to actually answer the post I'm quoting.
FTFY
The purpose probably is:
The players in these leagues are semi-professional or amateur. They need a summer vacation as they have other primary jobs.
If you get paid an average wage (enough to comfortably live on but not what you hear about on the sports networks with millions-of-dollars deals) as a low-level sports player and an average wage as something else, it shouldn't matter when the break is. Since the offseason already exists, why not use that?
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
If you get paid an average wage (enough to comfortably live on but not what you hear about on the sports networks with millions-of-dollars deals) as a low-level sports player and an average wage as something else, it shouldn't matter when the break is. Since the offseason already exists, why not use that?
The leagues in Sweden and Norway, what I have used as model for the my fantasy lower Canadian leagues, just don't play in midsummer. Youth soccer leagues in every country playing in summer always take break for July.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 25, 2023, 07:24:08 AM
Quote from: Bruce on September 24, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 24, 2023, 07:22:51 AM
In Canada, local soccer would generally start on the second week of April (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be few weeks later, in early to mid-May), run until late June, when every league would take a break until late July, and then play until first week of October (in some smaller and more northern leagues, it would be couple of weeks earlier, in mid to late September). The divisions would have 8, 10, 12, 14 or 16 teams.
The break needs a purpose, otherwise it's useless. Summer is usually the best moneymaker for soccer in the US and the same probably holds true for Canada. MLS has a break for Leagues Cup, but what would CPL have?
The MLS and CPL should take total "moratorium" for international breaks and take a break for World Cup and Gold Cup.
MLS already has international breaks as mandated by FIFA. We don't need a full summer break with no action because that's when the league is at its most well-attended with little competition (really only baseball) and better weather for many markets. In a country where soccer is not the number one sport, scheduling strategically is really important.