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Title: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: roadman65 on September 04, 2023, 05:08:40 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/51326033710
The exit sign on the right is that of a permanently closed ramp on I-80 EB on Yuerba Buena Island. Yet instead of removing it, Caltrans just kept it covered up.

Shouldn't a situation like this cause the need to remove the panel or at least replace it with a pull through or some other like a sequential exit list guide or even info for the next succeeding exit.  Or how about removing it completely?
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 04, 2023, 07:13:46 PM
Given that particular gantry is in Caltrans D4 I would expect it be around for decades to come.
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: Henry on September 05, 2023, 10:32:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 04, 2023, 05:08:40 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/51326033710
The exit sign on the right is that of a permanently closed ramp on I-80 EB on Yuerba Buena Island. Yet instead of removing it, Caltrans just kept it covered up.

Shouldn't a situation like this cause the need to remove the panel or at least replace it with a pull through or some other like a sequential exit list guide or even info for the next succeeding exit.  Or how about removing it completely?
At the very least, I'd make an I-80 pull through sign with the control cities of Oakland and Sacramento, as that's where it's going from here anyway.
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: Occidental Tourist on September 06, 2023, 03:52:38 AM
My understanding is that Exit 4A (the sign on the left in OP's link) is now closed until 2026 and Exit 4B (the covered up sign in OP's link) is now open and is currently the only exit to Yerba Buena Island and Treasure Island.  The picture in the link was taken mid-2021. Exit 4B was closed from 2020 to mid-2023 while it was reconstructed in conjunction with the East Span replacement.

Here's GSV from July showing the right side sign now uncovered and the left sign now covered up.  Why they didn't use a similar orange sign for the right-hand BGS while Exit 4B was being worked on is unclear.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZEfJYkJ.jpg)
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: ran4sh on September 07, 2023, 01:11:40 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 04, 2023, 05:08:40 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/51326033710
The exit sign on the right is that of a permanently closed ramp on I-80 EB on Yuerba Buena Island. Yet instead of removing it, Caltrans just kept it covered up.

Shouldn't a situation like this cause the need to remove the panel or at least replace it with a pull through or some other like a sequential exit list guide or even info for the next succeeding exit.  Or how about removing it completely?

It's caltrans
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: LilianaUwU on September 07, 2023, 01:24:57 AM
Can't wait for the gantry to still be there when our grandchildren die.
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: Scott5114 on September 09, 2023, 01:58:26 PM
Old Kansas practice during the demountable copy days would have been to leave the sign up but take the letters off of it.
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 09, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on September 07, 2023, 01:24:57 AM
Can't wait for the gantry to still be there when our grandchildren die.

I made a prediction in another thread that Caltrans will be the last stand for button copy.  If I was to even drill that bet down further I would say it would be in District 4. 
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: epzik8 on September 09, 2023, 08:02:37 PM
Ideally it would be removed as soon as the exit is closed, but in reality that's next to impossible.
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: roadman65 on October 17, 2023, 08:30:48 PM
Ok, I now see. Obviously 4B wasn't closed permanently and when I was through there July 2021, the ramp wasn't yet reconstructed.  I assumed that the new Bay Bridge permanently eliminated that particular exit altogether.

Now I see it rebuilt and recently reopened, I see why they opted not to remove the panel in the first place.
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: chrisg69911 on October 17, 2023, 09:15:40 PM
NJDOT thinks its needs to stay up for at least 2 decades. This exit has been closed since at least 2000, as that is the earliest pictures I could find
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iWJDHXR4S1AtiBV27
https://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/njfreeways/NJNJ-21MFPictures.html
Title: Re: When Should a closed Exit have its sign removed?
Post by: freebrickproductions on October 18, 2023, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: chrisg69911 on October 17, 2023, 09:15:40 PM
NJDOT thinks its needs to stay up for at least 2 decades. This exit has been closed since at least 2000, as that is the earliest pictures I could find
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iWJDHXR4S1AtiBV27
https://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/njfreeways/NJNJ-21MFPictures.html
Still got some button copy on the exit tab!