This thread is for random climate discussion. Such as what is best climate to live and which would be extreme climate.
At least would a climate where coldest month averages 8 C (47 F) and warmest month 12 C (54 F). Freezing temperatures would be possible to occur in any month and snow would fall in coolest month.
And a climate where average low temperatures are close to 0 F in winter and average highs to 100 F in summer.
Mexico City is consistently a good climate.
What I enjoy out of a climate tends to vary. The only things I'm sure about is that I have no desire to live in a super humid tropical climate again.
Oklahoma has a random climate.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 17, 2023, 02:36:06 AM
Oklahoma has a random climate.
That's crazy, Québec does too!
I prefer something temperate with enough variance to be exciting (but not life-threatening or super annoying). Western Washington generally fits the bill, with summers that are warm and sometimes hot and winters that give us a taste of lowland snow but not long cold snaps. Could do with some more fun to break up the long gray season.
I like large populated places in extremely cold or hot climates. Northern China has average January temperatures in as cold as -25 C (-13 F) and Yakutsk approaches -40 degrees.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 17, 2023, 05:19:32 AM
I like large populated places in extremely cold or hot climates. Northern China has average January temperatures in as cold as -25 C (-13 F) and Yakutsk approaches -40 degrees.
Neither of these is above the Arctic Circle, getting soft aren't we?
I like climates where they measure temperature in degrees F.
Quote from: davewiecking on September 17, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
I like climates where they measure temperature in degrees F.
I hate them.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 17, 2023, 05:19:32 AM
I like large populated places in extremely cold or hot climates.
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Quote from: davewiecking on September 17, 2023, 09:25:09 AM
I like climates where they measure temperature in degrees F.
I really like hot climates measured in °F. Because 100 °F sounds better than 38 °C :sombrero:.
Here's what I want:
10 months out of the year – highs in the 60s to 80s, lows in the 40s to 60s.
1 month of full-on winter, with snowstorms every other day or something.
1 month of full-on summer, with highs over 100 and not a cloud in the sky.
People talk about how they love the changing of the seasons. I do too, but summer and winter are just way too long.
Give me Wisconsin September all year long. :cool:
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 18, 2023, 10:40:29 AM
Give me Wisconsin September all year long. :cool:
Yeah, September and October always make me miss Chicago.
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
My best unit is Celsius. A climate where average high temperature of warmest month is about 30-33 C and average low temperature of coldest month is about -1-(-5) C. Temperatures over 30 C would be normally measured as early as mid-April and as late as mid-September, and temperatures over 25 C (so-called summer days)would be measured as early as late March and as late as early November. There would be at least some snow every year and maximums under 0 C and minimums under -10 C would be regular.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
Disagree. By the point I've covered my face sufficiently to stop the bitter cold from hurting, I can neither see nor breathe properly. There's always some part of my face exposed.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
Disagree. By the point I've covered my face sufficiently to stop the bitter cold from hurting, I can neither see nor breathe properly. There's always some part of my face exposed.
Do you use a balaclava?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
Disagree. By the point I've covered my face sufficiently to stop the bitter cold from hurting, I can neither see nor breathe properly. There's always some part of my face exposed.
Do you use a balaclava?
I use a balaclava when I hike or run below 20F. It definitely solved the exposed face and breathing issues.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
Exactly. There's no bad weather, just bad clothing and gear.
Personally, I like having four seasons that can range from 0
oF to 100
oF with sun, rain, and snow.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
Disagree. By the point I've covered my face sufficiently to stop the bitter cold from hurting, I can neither see nor breathe properly. There's always some part of my face exposed.
Do you use a balaclava?
I use a balaclava when I hike or run below 20F. It definitely solved the exposed face and breathing issues.
If my eyes are still exposed, then my brow still hurts from the cold. By the time I've pulled the forehead part of it down far enough to block that cold, it impedes my vision. As I said, unless my entire face is covered, the cold hurts
somewhere.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DriverDave on September 18, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
I like warmer weather. I'd rather the highs be 90-100 degrees F than the lows be 20-25 F. Whereas heat is uncomfortable, cold is more painful. Also the wind worsens the feeling of extreme cold vs extreme heat. In terms of driving, my car's AC works better in 100 degree summer heat than the heater works in 20 degree cold.
You just need to have the right gear for cold. I went hiking in -10 degree weather a couple of years ago and had to shed layers. It wasn't bad at all due to having the right stuff.
Disagree. By the point I've covered my face sufficiently to stop the bitter cold from hurting, I can neither see nor breathe properly. There's always some part of my face exposed.
Do you use a balaclava?
I use a balaclava when I hike or run below 20F. It definitely solved the exposed face and breathing issues.
If my eyes are still exposed, then my brow still hurts from the cold. By the time I've pulled the forehead part of it down far enough to block that cold, it impedes my vision. As I said, unless my entire face is covered, the cold hurts somewhere.
Apply Vaseline to the parts of your skin getting licked by wind. I was taught to this while playing sports in high school in Michigan. Vaseline is very affective blocking the wind from hitting exposed skin. I still use it on my wrists and neck during winter runs.
Maybe my face is just less sensitive since I have a lot of Scandinavian blood and I lived my early formative years in Minnesota.
I've always wondered if there is a genetic factor to cold tolerance. I come from a similar ethnic background to you and my tolerance for cold tends to be very high. My wife (who is Hispanic) struggles at temperatures I find warm such as the mid-50s. The reverse is that I overhear easily whereas she does not.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
Apply Vaseline to the parts of your skin getting licked by wind. I was taught to this while playing sports in high school in Michigan. Vaseline is very affective blocking the wind from hitting exposed skin. I still use it on my wrists and neck during winter runs.
Or just... you know... do away with the bitter cold. Excessive heat doesn't cause me physical pain the way excessive cold does, and there's no need to 'have the right gear'.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
Apply Vaseline to the parts of your skin getting licked by wind. I was taught to this while playing sports in high school in Michigan. Vaseline is very affective blocking the wind from hitting exposed skin. I still use it on my wrists and neck during winter runs.
Or just... you know... do away with the bitter cold. Excessive heat doesn't cause me physical pain the way excessive cold does, and there's no need to 'have the right gear'.
But I'm pointing out the differences between more extreme cold vs. more extreme heat. There isn't a reasonable corollary to dealing with heat - you can't wear an air conditioning unit for instance. Even if it were socially acceptable to walk around naked in public, that still wouldn't alleviate enough of the heat discomfort (and it would introduce new issues, i.e. sunburning your junk).
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
Apply Vaseline to the parts of your skin getting licked by wind. I was taught to this while playing sports in high school in Michigan. Vaseline is very affective blocking the wind from hitting exposed skin. I still use it on my wrists and neck during winter runs.
Or just... you know... do away with the bitter cold. Excessive heat doesn't cause me physical pain the way excessive cold does, and there's no need to 'have the right gear'.
Trouble is for me that most of my winter runs are done in weather ranging from 30-37F early in the morning. I find I'm much more motivated first thing in the morning versus say going for a run after work. I'm able to go far longer with less fluid intake the colder the weather is.
The heat coupled with humidity did put me in the emergency room once after a 13.5 mile run through downtown Orlando during the summer of 2015. The temperature was about 86F and 90% humidity at 5 AM in the morning. I drank about 70oz of fluid during that run but still ended up with heat exhaustion/heat stroke after.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
Apply Vaseline to the parts of your skin getting licked by wind. I was taught to this while playing sports in high school in Michigan. Vaseline is very affective blocking the wind from hitting exposed skin. I still use it on my wrists and neck during winter runs.
Or just... you know... do away with the bitter cold. Excessive heat doesn't cause me physical pain the way excessive cold does, and there's no need to 'have the right gear'.
Trouble is for me that most of my winter runs are done in weather ranging from 30-37F early in the morning. I find I'm much more motivated first thing in the morning versus say going for a run after work. I'm able to go far longer with less fluid intake the colder the weather is.
The heat coupled with humidity did put me in the emergency room once after a 13.5 mile run through downtown Orlando during the summer of 2015. The temperature was about 86F and 90% humidity at 5 AM in the morning. I drank about 70oz of fluid during that run but still ended up with heat exhaustion/heat stroke after.
I try not to run when the temp is over 70. 40 feels great.
Personally, I find extreme cold easier to deal with than extreme heat. My experience with older cars has been that the heater (with the original core, even) is much more likely than the A/C to still be working after 15 years. R-134a (used from the early 1990's until just a few years ago) is considered more likely to leak than its predecessor, R-12, because it is a more compact molecule.
I haven't worn a balaclava in years, though I do acknowledge that it and snow goggles would be necessary in winter in a place like Alaska. On windy and extremely cold days, I do the following:
* Stay in the lee of the wind whenever possible
* Wear a goose-down parka with hood up (it is easier for extremities to stay warm when the core is warm)
* Wind a thick woolen scarf around my throat in such a way that everything below my eyes is covered
* Wear a llama-herder's hat on top of scarf and underneath hood
* Put on thermal underwear
In terms of clothing, summer is much more of a hassle than winter. There are probably just a handful of days each winter when I have to change clothes to go out, whereas I have to do this for at least five months in the summer.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 01:22:32 PMOr just... you know... do away with the bitter cold. Excessive heat doesn't cause me physical pain the way excessive cold does, and there's no need to 'have the right gear'.
I don't know about
need to have the right gear, but in summer having a completely separate set of sacrificial clothes (including underwear) for going out helps avoid:
* Dye shift in fabrics due to sweat soaking (yes, this really does happen)
* Salt deposits on car upholstery
* Discomfort from sitting in wet underwear beneath dry clothes when coming back into A/C
The outdoor clothes last longer if they are light-colored, not because the fabric is better, but because dye shift is less noticeable.
This summer I've actually been wearing a charcoal-gray long-sleeved T-shirt for evening walks, and the dye has already shifted along the back. I wouldn't have chosen the color, but the price was right--i.e., free from the Red Cross as a blood donation incentive.
This said, I think it
may be possible to limit dye shift by pre-washing in cold to lukewarm water in the kitchen sink before putting in the washer (cold water, gentle cycle, with lots of detergent). I tried this with the Red Cross shirt and it seemed to help. (The pre-soak water in the sink was golden brown after five minutes of sloshing the fabric back and forth by hand.)
40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Nashville:
I-840 → I-40S
I-40 → I-40C
Unbuilt northern half of beltway → I-40N
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Okay! So you're headed to Seville next June, right?
It was 39°C the first day I was in Paris. They let everyone use the Metro for free to discourage people from being outside.
I much prefer it being cold rather than being hot. Being outside for more than a few minutes when it's 90+ F gives me a headache that usually lasts the rest of the day. Being outside when it's below freezing gives me a runny nose until I warm back up. Easy choice for me.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Okay! So you're headed to Seville next June, right?
Finland has never reported temperatures over 40 C or 100 F. The alltime record high is 37.2 C / 99.0 F. But eventually both will be broken. I imagine many my fantasy cities being located in areas where several days have 40+ C highs, some even 45+ C, like in Central Asia.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 01:44:39 PM
On windy and extremely cold days, I do the following:
* Stay in the lee of the wind whenever possible
* Wear a goose-down parka with hood up (it is easier for extremities to stay warm when the core is warm)
* Wind a thick woolen scarf around my throat in such a way that everything below my eyes is covered
* Wear a llama-herder's hat on top of scarf and underneath hood
* Put on thermal underwear
My sub-zero outfitting is far less bulky, hence why I actually voluntarily go out hiking in that stuff:
* Merino wool base layer
* Technical fleece
* Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer down jacket
* Mountaineering hard shell for one slightly warming layer but mostly for wind protection and water/snowproofing
* Any old beanie
* Balaclava if the wind is biting, otherwise no need for me
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 01:44:39 PM
On windy and extremely cold days, I do the following:
* Stay in the lee of the wind whenever possible
* Wear a goose-down parka with hood up (it is easier for extremities to stay warm when the core is warm)
* Wind a thick woolen scarf around my throat in such a way that everything below my eyes is covered
* Wear a llama-herder's hat on top of scarf and underneath hood
* Put on thermal underwear
My sub-zero outfitting is far less bulky, hence why I actually voluntarily go out hiking in that stuff:
* Merino wool base layer
* Technical fleece
* Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer down jacket
* Mountaineering hard shell for one slightly warming layer but mostly for wind protection and water/snowproofing
* Any old beanie
* Balaclava if the wind is biting, otherwise no need for me
You mean <0 Fahrenheit? Sub-0 C is much more nice and needs lees clothing. I wish next winter in Helsinki goes to -20 C. 0 F, which is -17.8 C, is the average lowest temperature in winter there, last winter we hit -16 C.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
Apply Vaseline to the parts of your skin getting licked by wind. I was taught to this while playing sports in high school in Michigan. Vaseline is very affective blocking the wind from hitting exposed skin. I still use it on my wrists and neck during winter runs.
Or just... you know... do away with the bitter cold. Excessive heat doesn't cause me physical pain the way excessive cold does, and there's no need to 'have the right gear'.
Trouble is for me that most of my winter runs are done in weather ranging from 30-37F early in the morning. I find I'm much more motivated first thing in the morning versus say going for a run after work. I'm able to go far longer with less fluid intake the colder the weather is.
The heat coupled with humidity did put me in the emergency room once after a 13.5 mile run through downtown Orlando during the summer of 2015. The temperature was about 86F and 90% humidity at 5 AM in the morning. I drank about 70oz of fluid during that run but still ended up with heat exhaustion/heat stroke after.
I try not to run when the temp is over 70. 40 feels great.
Fortunately the morning temperatures in Fresno during summer tend to range from 60-70F. That's as close to perfect conditions as I can ask for. Even after the sun goes down in the evening the temperature doesn't dip below 80F often until past 10 PM.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
But I'm pointing out the differences between more extreme cold vs. more extreme heat. There isn't a reasonable corollary to dealing with heat - you can't wear an air conditioning unit for instance. Even if it were socially acceptable to walk around naked in public, that still wouldn't alleviate enough of the heat discomfort (and it would introduce new issues, i.e. sunburning your junk).
But I don't need to wear an air conditioning unit during hot summer days. I just wear go outside in a tee shirt and shorts or jeans or whatever. Yes, I'll be sweaty after I'm done doing whatever I'm doing, but no physical pain to endure and no need for special gear to get me through it. Just go outside, do your thing, and maybe shower off afterward. The 'heat discomfort' is minimal to me, compared to the 'cold discomfort' I feel in the winter. When it's over 95 or so, I tire out more easily, but otherwise I'd much rather mow the lawn on a hot summer day than shovel the driveway on a cold winter day.
One thing I've also noticed is that people with a non-zero amount of body fat do not appreciate how quickly and easily beanpoles like me get cold.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
But I'm pointing out the differences between more extreme cold vs. more extreme heat. There isn't a reasonable corollary to dealing with heat - you can't wear an air conditioning unit for instance. Even if it were socially acceptable to walk around naked in public, that still wouldn't alleviate enough of the heat discomfort (and it would introduce new issues, i.e. sunburning your junk).
But I don't need to wear an air conditioning unit during hot summer days. I just wear go outside in a tee shirt and shorts or jeans or whatever. Yes, I'll be sweaty after I'm done doing whatever I'm doing, but no physical pain to endure and no need for special gear to get me through it. Just go outside, do your thing, and maybe shower off afterward. The 'heat discomfort' is minimal to me, compared to the 'cold discomfort' I feel in the winter. When it's over 95 or so, I tire out more easily, but otherwise I'd much rather mow the lawn on a hot summer day than shovel the driveway on a cold winter day.
One thing I've also noticed is that people with a non-zero amount of body fat do not appreciate how quickly and easily beanpoles like me get cold.
I'm 6'4", 180#, so not dramatically different from you.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:55:04 PM
You mean <0 Fahrenheit? Sub-0 C is much more nice and needs lees clothing. I wish next winter in Helsinki goes to -20 C. 0 F, which is -17.8 C, is the average lowest temperature in winter there, last winter we hit -16 C.
Obviously, yes, that's what I mean. 0° C can be patio weather here if the sun is shining brightly. Jeans and a heavier hoodie weather.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 02:23:50 PM
I'm 6'4", 180#, so not dramatically different from you.
Yes, you are. I'm only three inches shorter than you, but I weight about 60 pounds less.
Our BMIs come out to 21.9
vs 15.8. Actually, when I used one of those handheld BMI things at the YMCA a few years ago, it returned an error code.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 01:52:38 PMMy sub-zero outfitting is far less bulky, hence why I actually voluntarily go out hiking in that stuff:
* Merino wool base layer
* Technical fleece
* Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer down jacket
* Mountaineering hard shell for one slightly warming layer but mostly for wind protection and water/snowproofing
* Any old beanie
* Balaclava if the wind is biting, otherwise no need for me
You are also at much higher altitude (5280 feet or more versus 1300 feet), which has an effect on heat transfer.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PMOne thing I've also noticed is that people with a non-zero amount of body fat do not appreciate how quickly and easily beanpoles like me get cold.
I think muscle mass and conditioning is also a factor. I'm about the same BMI as JayhawkCO, so I'm not exactly a beanpole, but I have noticed that resistance training at the gym makes a noticeable difference in how cold I feel at my extremities.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PMWhen it's over 95 or so, I tire out more easily, but otherwise I'd much rather mow the lawn on a hot summer day than shovel the driveway on a cold winter day.
I'd say my preferences in this regard are more evenly balanced. However, I may find myself shoveling snow just two or three times per winter, whereas I typically mow at least 25 times a year (27 in 2017, 25 in 2018, 28 in 2019, 31 in 2020, 28 in 2021, 20 in 2022, and 22 so far in 2023). Mowing also requires a fair degree of advance preparation in terms of ice water to take outside and Vitamin C and magnesium before I start.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Fuck no. That's 104
oF. Where I live, we can see a dew point of 75
oF with those temperatures and a heat index of 119
oF. Again, fuck no.
Quote from: Brandon on September 18, 2023, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Fuck no. That's 104oF. Where I live, we can see a dew point of 75oF with those temperatures and a heat index of 119oF. Again, fuck no.
As someone has lived in those conditions most their adult life I'm greatly amused at how much the number one Sault Sainte John Madden fan is about this.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 01:52:38 PMMy sub-zero outfitting is far less bulky, hence why I actually voluntarily go out hiking in that stuff:
* Merino wool base layer
* Technical fleece
* Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer down jacket
* Mountaineering hard shell for one slightly warming layer but mostly for wind protection and water/snowproofing
* Any old beanie
* Balaclava if the wind is biting, otherwise no need for me
You are also at much higher altitude (5280 feet or more versus 1300 feet), which has an effect on heat transfer.
Yes, but because I'm higher, heat should leave me more easily.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 02:51:11 PM
You are also at much higher altitude (5280 feet or more versus 1300 feet), which has an effect on heat transfer.
Yes, but because I'm higher, heat should leave me more easily.
In my experience, the lower humidity of western climates tends to make me feel less cold than the higher humidity of eastern climates, assuming the same reading on the thermometer.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:52:16 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
Okay! So you're headed to Seville next June, right?
Finland has never reported temperatures over 40 C or 100 F. The alltime record high is 37.2 C / 99.0 F. But eventually both will be broken. I imagine many my fantasy cities being located in areas where several days have 40+ C highs, some even 45+ C, like in Central Asia.
You know nothing, Jon Snow. Here are the temperatures (all Fahrenheit) that I've been in.
Chicagoland, Illinois, July 1995 during a major heat wave where it got to 106
oF with a low of 81
oF. The dew point was about 80
oF, making for a heat index during the day of about 130
oF. It was hot as hell for those 5 days, and I was outside doing land surveying during a good portion of it.
Houghton, Michigan, February 1996 during a cold snap during Winter Carnival, specifically the all-nighter part of it when people are finishing up gigantic snow statues. The temperature was a frosty -23
oF that night with, fortunately, no wind chill. And yes, I was out in that, helping to complete a 35-foot tall snow statue.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 03:12:54 PMYes, but because I'm higher, heat should leave me more easily.
Not through convection. Air pressure at 5280 feet is about 81% sea level, while it is around 96% at 1300 feet.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 18, 2023, 03:24:55 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 03:12:54 PMYes, but because I'm higher, heat should leave me more easily.
Not through convection. Air pressure at 5280 feet is about 81% sea level, while it is around 96% at 1300 feet.
The lower density of the air here decreases the air's ability to insulate in between layers of clothing.
Still... if I'm on a 700-mile driving trip, and I need to fill up with gas, and it's —10°F at the gas station pump with a stiff north wind, what am I supposed to do? Put on a bunch of layers, a balaclava, a thick pair of gloves with liners? I mean, it's not like I've been driving in all that stuff, so...
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 03:38:13 PM
Still... if I'm on a 700-mile driving trip, and I need to fill up with gas, and it's —10°F at the gas station pump with a stiff north wind, what am I supposed to do? Put on a bunch of layers, a balaclava, a thick pair of gloves with liners? I mean, it's not like I've been driving in all that stuff, so...
Get out of the car, prepay, pump gas, get back in the car while it finishes, get back out and put the pump away? If it's really howling, a normal winter jacket that you'd be wearing while driving will keep you warm enough for that limited time. Again, maybe I'm just used to being colder given where I grew up. I rarely bring a jacket when running errands around town because I'm only outside for 30 seconds at a time, even if it's down to 20° or so.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 03:38:13 PM
Still... if I'm on a 700-mile driving trip, and I need to fill up with gas, and it's —10°F at the gas station pump with a stiff north wind, what am I supposed to do? Put on a bunch of layers, a balaclava, a thick pair of gloves with liners? I mean, it's not like I've been driving in all that stuff, so...
Get out of the car, prepay, pump gas, get back in the car while it finishes, get back out and put the pump away? If it's really howling, a normal winter jacket that you'd be wearing while driving will keep you warm enough for that limited time. Again, maybe I'm just used to being colder given where I grew up. I rarely bring a jacket when running errands around town because I'm only outside for 30 seconds at a time, even if it's down to 20° or so.
I never leave the pump unattended. I don't trust the shutoff switch.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 18, 2023, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 03:38:13 PM
Still... if I'm on a 700-mile driving trip, and I need to fill up with gas, and it's —10°F at the gas station pump with a stiff north wind, what am I supposed to do? Put on a bunch of layers, a balaclava, a thick pair of gloves with liners? I mean, it's not like I've been driving in all that stuff, so...
Get out of the car, prepay, pump gas, get back in the car while it finishes, get back out and put the pump away? If it's really howling, a normal winter jacket that you'd be wearing while driving will keep you warm enough for that limited time. Again, maybe I'm just used to being colder given where I grew up. I rarely bring a jacket when running errands around town because I'm only outside for 30 seconds at a time, even if it's down to 20° or so.
I never leave the pump unattended. I don't trust the shutoff switch.
I don't go far, but I'm fine going into the car if the weather is ridiculous. I can still see the pump in the rearview.
Here's a good climate for you, Poips:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrdNNJsJ/phoenixazweather.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The full forecast is much better:
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
So...Oklahoma City? Dallas? San Antonio? Austin? Houston? Corpus Christi? El Paso? Heck, even Kansas City gets up to 40° C sometimes.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 18, 2023, 04:41:20 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 18, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
40 C would be comfortable to see in major city.
So...Oklahoma City? Dallas? San Antonio? Austin? Houston? Corpus Christi? El Paso? Heck, even Kansas City gets up to 40° C sometimes.
Kuwait City...
104F is a regular thing around Fresno. I certainly wouldn't say it is comfortable.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 18, 2023, 04:48:43 PM
104F is a regular thing around Fresno. I certainly wouldn't say it is comfortable.
Depends on where one is. Out West, where the dew points are low and the air is dry, it's not bad. In the Midwest and South, where the dew points can be upwards of 70
oF in the summer, and sometimes hitting 80
oF, it's a different story.
Or the rancid humid hell of an Orlando summer where I was living previous to moving back west. Nonetheless it's not as though even a dry 104F doesn't lend itself too much in the way of outdoor recreation. I tend to get my activities started before sunrise and done before 9 AM during the summer.
Well earlier this summer we did see temperatures of 104 degrees coupled with 80-degree dew points to produce Heat Index in the 120s for two straight weeks in South Texas.
Any air temperature hotter than body temperature is way too hot.
I agree that "but it's a dry heat" has a ceiling. It's not as if dry heat simply can't be uncomfortably hot. Definitely not true. But the upper limit of comfort is certainly lower in humid regions.
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 11:39:29 AM
I agree that "but it's a dry heat" has a ceiling. It's not as if dry heat simply can't be uncomfortably hot. Definitely not true. But the upper limit of comfort is certainly lower in humid regions.
For sure. The hottest and coldest I've ever felt were both in very humid areas. Kansas City for the hot, and surprisingly, New Orleans for the cold. It was 50 degrees in New Orleans with a drizzle and I just had a hoodie and not a warm jacket. That cold soaked into my bones.
People don't realize this but dry heat can be more lethal than wet heat, especially if you don't drink enough water. In the deserts where dew points are less than 50 degrees but the temperatures are triple-digits, you lose water at a much faster rate than in the Gulf Coast regions. Both can be lethal, but in my experience dry heat was the greater of the two evils.
As you've no-doubt have guessed, I prefer summer over winter. Not that I relished many of the days this summer, but I dread our winter even more.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 11:42:04 AM
... and surprisingly, New Orleans for the cold. It was 50 degrees in New Orleans with a drizzle and I just had a hoodie and not a warm jacket. That cold soaked into my bones.
This may have some bearing on why you tolerate cold better than I do: you live in a drier climate. I know you've lived elsewhere, but still. As I mentioned earlier, dry cold doesn't seem to bother me quite as much as humid cold. Below a certain point, though, cold is just painful.
Quote from: jgb191 on September 19, 2023, 11:54:39 AM
People don't realize this but dry heat can be more lethal than wet heat, especially if you don't drink enough water. In the deserts where dew points are less than 50 degrees but the temperatures are triple-digits, you lose water at a much faster rate than in the Gulf Coast regions. Both can be lethal, but in my experience dry heat was the greater of the two evils.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the Chihuahuan Desert of southern Coahuila. Some of those times have involved manual labor with a mattock, shovel, and wheelbarrow. For example, one year, we went in July, and demolished a
placa roof. That involved destroying the roof (while standing on it) using mattocks and San Angelo bars, then shoveling the rubble into wheelbarrows, then dumping the wheelbarrows into a pickup truck, then driving out to a different location, then shoveling the rubble back out of the pickup truck again–then go back and do it all again, multiple trips per day, for two or three days. High elevation (about 5000 feet), with temps in the 90s every day. Hard work, no doubt.
But I can get
at least that exhausted just by mowing my lawn for an hour here in Wichita if the temp is over about 98. I have to take more frequent breaks doing manual labor in this humid heat, and surprisingly I find it necessary to consume more water as well. I get soaked with sweat working in this humid heat, yet in Mexico I hardly sweat at all some days (or it evaporates right away).
I don't know, I guess maybe my body is more conditioned to dry heat than a lot of other people. I also drink a lot less liquid when working in dry heat than other people say is necessary.
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 11:42:04 AM
... and surprisingly, New Orleans for the cold. It was 50 degrees in New Orleans with a drizzle and I just had a hoodie and not a warm jacket. That cold soaked into my bones.
This may have some bearing on why you tolerate cold better than I do: you live in a drier climate. I know you've lived elsewhere, but still. As I mentioned earlier, dry cold doesn't seem to bother me quite as much as humid cold. Below a certain point, though, cold is just painful.
When I go outside when cold, I can put on all my gear and at least be reasonably comfortable. I might not want to spend an hour outside in -10° wind chill, but it won't
immediately be intolerable for me. When I walk outside in the Midwest and it's 98° with 85% humidity, I
immediately feel oppressed and want to get out of the heat as quickly as possible. There is no planning for heat; there is for cold.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
When I walk outside in the Midwest and it's 98° with 85% humidity, I immediately feel oppressed and want to get out of the heat as quickly as possible.
Yeah, 85% humidity is brutal. As I mentioned, that weather zaps my energy as well. But I can be outside in 98°F
dry weather with little problem.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
There is no planning for heat; there is for cold.
Exactly, but not in the way you meant. There is no need to plan for heat (except to bring water). But there is a need to plan for cold, including wearing multiple layers of clothing, and buying specialized gear to protect you from the painful air.
Is it colder than you expected? Not prepared for it? Too bad!
Is it hotter than you expected? Not prepared for it? Just take your shirt off and find some shade.
It's not like I'm going to convince you that hot is better than cold. And you're not going to convince me that cold is better than hot. We're different people.
Dress like fans going to a late season game at Lambeau Field.
:spin:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on September 19, 2023, 01:11:22 PM
Dress like fans going to a late season game at Lambeau Field.
:spin:
I mean, that's basically the gist of what people are telling me:
Cold weather is just fine, as long as you put on so much stuff that you can no longer feel the weather. Which is kind of a silly argument to me.
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 19, 2023, 01:11:22 PM
Dress like fans going to a late season game at Lambeau Field.
:spin:
I mean, that's basically the gist of what people are telling me: Cold weather is just fine, as long as you put on so much stuff that you can no longer feel the weather. Which is kind of a silly argument to me.
Isn't that kind of the same thing as ducking under a tree for shade?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 01:54:55 PM
Isn't that kind of the same thing as ducking under a tree for shade?
Maybe sort of. On the other hand, your solution to bitter cold wasn't "get to where it's sunny".
I could live in a city where +40C temperatures are regular.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 19, 2023, 02:20:27 PM
I could live in a city where +40C temperatures are regular.
Have you even been in weather above 35°C? Ever?
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 01:54:55 PM
Isn't that kind of the same thing as ducking under a tree for shade?
Maybe sort of. On the other hand, your solution to bitter cold wasn't "get to where it's sunny".
Philadelphia?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
When I walk outside in the Midwest and it's 98° with 85% humidity, I immediately feel oppressed and want to get out of the heat as quickly as possible.
That's because it's never happened at least in our country's history: 98 degrees with 85% RH simultaneously. Your numbers calculate to a Heat Index of 156 degrees. At 98 degrees even with half of that RH percentage, the Heat Index would still come out to nearly 110 degrees, which is what I believe you probably meant. Which again stresses that it's the dew point that indicates the total amount of moisture in the air.
Those living along the Gulf Coast (from Brownsville, TX to Naples, FL and all points in between) tend to handle moist air better than elsewhere in the country; a dew point of around 70 degrees is normal and tolerable in a state like Louisiana, while the same dew point would be considered very uncomfortable anywhere in the Northern Plains.
Quote from: jgb191 on September 19, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
When I walk outside in the Midwest and it's 98° with 85% humidity, I immediately feel oppressed and want to get out of the heat as quickly as possible.
That's because it's never happened at least in our country's history: 98 degrees with 85% RH simultaneously. Your numbers calculate to a Heat Index of 156 degrees. At 98 degrees even with half of that RH percentage, the Heat Index would still come out to nearly 110 degrees, which is what I believe you probably meant. Which again stresses that it's the dew point that indicates the total amount of moisture in the air.
Those living along the Gulf Coast (from Brownsville, TX to Naples, FL and all points in between) tend to handle moist air better than elsewhere in the country; a dew point of around 70 degrees is normal and tolerable in a state like Louisiana, while the same dew point would be considered very uncomfortable anywhere in the Northern Plains.
Correct. 98°/85% ~ Hot & Sticky.
Looks like the highest heat index in the U.S. was in Appleton, WI of all places, 101° with a 90° dew point. Heat index of 148°.
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 01:01:36 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PMThere is no planning for heat; there is for cold.
Exactly, but not in the way you meant. There is no need to plan for heat (except to bring water). But there is a need to plan for cold, including wearing multiple layers of clothing, and buying specialized gear to protect you from the painful air.
Is it colder than you expected? Not prepared for it? Too bad!
Is it hotter than you expected? Not prepared for it? Just take your shirt off and find some shade.
I don't think the distinction is that simple. Heat does potentially require a significant amount of advance planning in terms of maintaining electrolyte balance (not just taking water out with you). As the climate warms up, it will increasingly become necessary to check whether it is safe to be outside at all. Under a 2° C warming scenario, even Canada will see deadly wet-bulb heatwaves with a recurrence interval of less than 25 years. (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/08/deadly-humid-heatwaves-to-spread-rapidly-as-climate-warms-study) A lot of concrete construction already occurs at night during the summer in order to avoid the heat.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 02:59:28 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on September 19, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
When I walk outside in the Midwest and it's 98° with 85% humidity, I immediately feel oppressed and want to get out of the heat as quickly as possible.
That's because it's never happened at least in our country's history: 98 degrees with 85% RH simultaneously. Your numbers calculate to a Heat Index of 156 degrees. ...
Correct. 98°/85% ~ Hot & Sticky.
Looks like the highest heat index in the U.S. was in Appleton, WI of all places, 101° with a 90° dew point. Heat index of 148°.
Appleton doesn't surprise me, only because of its situation between Lake Winnebago, Green Bay, and Lake Michigan. Lakes have an underrated impact on humidity in general.
The Twin Cities area this summer had some of the most oppressive heat I've ever encountered, and that's coming from relatively humid upstate NY. It was so bad that even going on a short walk was physically draining and we are seriously considering avoiding summer and visiting in other times of year in the future. And guess what...? There are lakes
everywhere in the Twin Cities area. You couldn't get away from them all if you tried.
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 19, 2023, 01:11:22 PM
Dress like fans going to a late season game at Lambeau Field.
:spin:
I mean, that's basically the gist of what people are telling me: Cold weather is just fine, as long as you put on so much stuff that you can no longer feel the weather. Which is kind of a silly argument to me.
If Packers fans are anything like Bills fans, I think that means just the opposite of what you thought it meant :sombrero:
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 12:38:22 PM
Looks like the highest heat index in the U.S. was in Appleton, WI of all places, 101° with a 90° dew point. Heat index of 148°.
Yeah that historic 1995 heat wave had that massive moisture blast in the western coast of the Lake Michigan area. Appleton, WI indeed had registered a dew point of 90 degrees, which was well-documented considering its northerly location. But I read somewhere that the highest dew point in the country's history is right where we expected it to be -- 92 degrees at New Orleans, LA. And a location in Central Florida had the second highest dew point at 91 degrees; Appleton had the third-highest at 90 degrees.
Quote from: webny99 on September 19, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Appleton doesn't surprise me, only because of its situation between Lake Winnebago, Green Bay, and Lake Michigan. Lakes have an underrated impact on humidity in general.
The Twin Cities area this summer had some of the most oppressive heat I've ever encountered, and that's coming from relatively humid upstate NY. It was so bad that even going on a short walk was physically draining and we are seriously considering avoiding summer and visiting in other times of year in the future. And guess what...? There are lakes everywhere in the Twin Cities area. You couldn't get away from them all if you tried.
I was in Minnesota this summer as well, and the conditions was a cakewalk (compared to back home) as it was in all my other summer visits to the state.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 19, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
I don't think the distinction is that simple. Heat does potentially require a significant amount of advance planning in terms of maintaining electrolyte balance (not just taking water out with you). As the climate warms up, it will increasingly become necessary to check whether it is safe to be outside at all.
YMMV.
I mow the lawn during the hottest part of the afternoon, to make sure the grass is as dry as possible when I mow. I've always done it this way, since I was in fifth grade. I drink a glass of water ahead of time, and one after I'm done. If it's over about 98°F I might take a break to drink some water halfway through, but usually I don't even do that. On summer Saturdays in high school, after lunch, I used to mow our lawn, then mow the neighbor's lawn, then go directly to the swimming pool for three hours–all without stopping for a drink in between, with temps around 100°F; that was my normal Saturday routine all summer long.
When I've done my manual labor mission projects in desert Mexico, I haven't typically done anything other than stop in to hydrate once every couple of hours. Now, I do usually take powdered Gatorade on those trips, so we can mix it into the Culligan-style water jug instead of drinking just plain water. But the Mexicans who work alongside us scoff at it, preferring to drink only water, and they hydrate even less than I do–which, as I already mentioned, seems to be a lot less than most people (in this country, at least) I know.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 19, 2023, 02:20:27 PM
I could live in a city where +40C temperatures are regular.
That's 120 degrees Farenheit, far too extreme. The most I'm willing to tolerate is 100 F for only a couple hours in the heat of the day. Low 90s in general is better than 20-30, but 100-120 all day is unbearable.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 01:54:55 PM
Isn't that kind of the same thing as ducking under a tree for shade?
Maybe sort of. On the other hand, your solution to bitter cold wasn't "get to where it's sunny".
Philadelphia?
Sad no one appears to have gotten this joke.
Quote from: webny99 on September 19, 2023, 04:24:04 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 19, 2023, 01:11:22 PM
Dress like fans going to a late season game at Lambeau Field.
:spin:
I mean, that's basically the gist of what people are telling me: Cold weather is just fine, as long as you put on so much stuff that you can no longer feel the weather. Which is kind of a silly argument to me.
If Packers fans are anything like Bills fans, I think that means just the opposite of what you thought it meant :sombrero:
Liquid jacket works great. ;)
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 19, 2023, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 19, 2023, 01:54:55 PM
Isn't that kind of the same thing as ducking under a tree for shade?
Maybe sort of. On the other hand, your solution to bitter cold wasn't "get to where it's sunny".
Philadelphia?
Sad no one appears to have gotten this joke.
Some people are too good for TV. :P
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 19, 2023, 02:20:27 PM
I could live in a city where +40C temperatures are regular.
Phoenix had temperatures as high as 47°C this summer.
In an average year, the city I live in now (Norman, Oklahoma) experiences temperatures of 38°C or greater about twelve times.
"regular" = "occurs at regular intervals", so you know exactly when the heat waves are coming
Quote from: 1 on September 20, 2023, 02:29:29 PM
"regular" = "occurs at regular intervals", so you know exactly when the heat waves are coming
Seeing who posted it, I'm sure he has an opinion about exactly when those heat waves should come...
Days above 40°C in Norman this year...
Aug 2 - 40°C
Aug 3 - 40°C
Aug 11 - 41°C
Aug 19 - 40°C
Aug 20 - 41°C
Aug 25 - 40°C
Sep 5 - 40°C
Wanna trade me places, Poiponen?
Quote from: kphoger on September 20, 2023, 02:31:42 PMSeeing who posted it, I'm sure he has an opinion about exactly when those heat waves should come...
The comments we make and the questions we ask open a window into our own experiences.
Personally, I think 40° C (104° F) in Helsinki would be far more dangerous than it is in the parts of the US and Europe that see such temperatures regularly, not just in terms of direct effects like heat-related injuries, but also firefighting. When Britain went above 100° F for the first time in its recorded history in the summer of 2022, the fire services were overstretched not just by grass fires but also by house fires with trigger mechanisms related to higher-than-normal ambient temperatures. Many European countries have surprisingly weak appliance safety standards--for example, the Grenfell Tower fire has been blamed partly on Britain allowing plastic instead of metal backings for refrigerators.
Upthread, I suggested going to Seville in June to see what 40° C feels like. This doesn't give the full picture since that temperature, while considered dangerous enough to justify issuance of official heat warnings, is a lot less out of the ordinary than it would be in Scandinavia.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 20, 2023, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 20, 2023, 02:31:42 PMSeeing who posted it, I'm sure he has an opinion about exactly when those heat waves should come...
The comments we make and the questions we ask open a window into our own experiences.
Personally, I think 40° C (104° F) in Helsinki would be far more dangerous than it is in the parts of the US and Europe that see such temperatures regularly, not just in terms of direct effects like heat-related injuries, but also firefighting. When Britain went above 100° F for the first time in its recorded history in the summer of 2022, the fire services were overstretched not just by grass fires but also by house fires with trigger mechanisms related to higher-than-normal ambient temperatures. Many European countries have surprisingly weak appliance safety standards--for example, the Grenfell Tower fire has been blamed partly on Britain allowing plastic instead of metal backings for refrigerators.
Upthread, I suggested going to Seville in June to see what 40° C feels like. This doesn't give the full picture since that temperature, while considered dangerous enough to justify issuance of official heat warnings, is a lot less out of the ordinary than it would be in Scandinavia.
The all-time record high of Helsinki is 33.2
°C (91.8 °F), and it was measured in July 2019, the previous high was 31.6 °C (88.9 °F). Helsinki is little cooler in summer than places further north in Finland, but in coming decades, temperatures could easily rise to 38 °C in Helsinki, and to 43 °C in futher north.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 21, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
The all-time record high of Helsinki is 33.2 °C (91.8 °F), and it was measured in July 2019, the previous high was 31.6 °C (88.9 °F). Helsinki is little cooler in summer than places further north in Finland, but in coming decades, temperatures could easily rise to 38 °C in Helsinki, and to 43 °C in futher north.
Have you even been in weather above 35°C? Ever? [/sizе]
Quote from: kphoger on September 21, 2023, 09:26:54 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 21, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
The all-time record high of Helsinki is 33.2 °C (91.8 °F), and it was measured in July 2019, the previous high was 31.6 °C (88.9 °F). Helsinki is little cooler in summer than places further north in Finland, but in coming decades, temperatures could easily rise to 38 °C in Helsinki, and to 43 °C in futher north.
Have you even been in weather above 35°C? Ever? [/sizе]
Probbaly in summer of 2010 in Finland. Then a temperature of 37.2 °C was measured.
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on September 21, 2023, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 21, 2023, 09:26:54 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on September 21, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
The all-time record high of Helsinki is 33.2 °C (91.8 °F), and it was measured in July 2019, the previous high was 31.6 °C (88.9 °F). Helsinki is little cooler in summer than places further north in Finland, but in coming decades, temperatures could easily rise to 38 °C in Helsinki, and to 43 °C in futher north.
Have you even been in weather above 35°C? Ever? [/sizе]
Probbaly in summer of 2010 in Finland. Then a temperature of 37.2 °C was measured.
[sizе=1em]Were you in Joensuu on [/sizе][sizе=2]July 29 of that year?[/sizе]
Quote from: kphoger on September 21, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on September 21, 2023, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on September 21, 2023, 09:26:54 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on September 21, 2023, 07:38:53 AM
The all-time record high of Helsinki is 33.2 °C (91.8 °F), and it was measured in July 2019, the previous high was 31.6 °C (88.9 °F). Helsinki is little cooler in summer than places further north in Finland, but in coming decades, temperatures could easily rise to 38 °C in Helsinki, and to 43 °C in futher north.
Have you even been in weather above 35°C? Ever? [/sizе]
Probbaly in summer of 2010 in Finland. Then a temperature of 37.2 °C was measured.
[sizе=1em]Were you in Joensuu on [/sizе][sizе=2]July 29 of that year?[/sizе]
No, but somewhat close. I don't want to tell further.
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on September 21, 2023, 09:49:17 AM
No, but somewhat close. I don't want to tell further.
No problem. No need to tell us where you were on July 29, 2010. I mean, after all, if we had that information, then we might be able to track you down and sign you up for unwanted magazine subscriptions or something.
So just look up the high temperature for that date in whatever town you were in, and let us know how hot it got that day.
Here's a good website to use for that (https://weatherspark.com/history). I can see from that site, for example, that it got up to 32.8°C in the city I was in that day. And it got up to 33.7°C in Kuopio, Finland.
My best climate would be a climate where there is at least some variation in temperature, but maybe not any frost or snow, and average high temperatures in warmest month would be around 30 C and average low temperatures in coolest month would be around 8 C. The west season (summer) and dry season (winter) would also be good, rather than uniform rainfall all year long. Or a semi-arid or desert climate.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 21, 2023, 12:39:51 PM
My best climate would be a climate where there is at least some variation in temperature, but maybe not any frost or snow, and average high temperatures in warmest month would be around 30 C and average low temperatures in coolest month would be around 8 C. The west season (summer) and dry season (winter) would also be good, rather than uniform rainfall all year long. Or a semi-arid or desert climate.
Waco, Texas?
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 21, 2023, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on September 21, 2023, 12:39:51 PM
My best climate would be a climate where there is at least some variation in temperature, but maybe not any frost or snow, and average high temperatures in warmest month would be around 30 C and average low temperatures in coolest month would be around 8 C. The west season (summer) and dry season (winter) would also be good, rather than uniform rainfall all year long. Or a semi-arid or desert climate.
Waco, Texas?
Something like that. A climate where there is at least 25-45 nights below freezing annually, and at least 3-15 days above 40 C annually.
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My best climate would be a climate where there is at least some variation in temperature, but maybe not any frost or snow, and average high temperatures in warmest month would be around 30 C and average low temperatures in coolest month would be around 8 C. The west season (summer) and dry season (winter) would also be good, rather than uniform rainfall all year long. Or a semi-arid or desert climate.
Waco, Texas?
Something like that. A climate where there is at least 25-45 nights below freezing annually, and at least 3-15 days above 40 C annually.
I'm not sure your ideal climate necessarily exists. Most places that drop below freezing that often are going to have some amount of snow at some point over the course of the winter. Also, very few places that have that many days over 40C (104F) have an *average* high in the warmest month of only 30C (86F). Some parts of Europe might have a summer temperature climatology like that but for the most part you don't really get that kind of extreme variation in the US. Yes, heatwaves are a thing, but there are very few places that have that many 40C days annually and most of them are either in the Plains or the desert southwest, where July highs are typically in the 90s F (33-38C roughly) at least.
I will second Scott though and point you towards the southern Plains or Texas for a place in the US that comes closest to every category you described.
Continuing this thread. Large parts of North America and Asia indeed have colder winters than places in the same latitude in Europe. And in Aberdeen, SD, January averages -10 C yet July averages 22 C.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 27, 2023, 09:10:50 AM
Continuing this thread. Large parts of North America and Asia indeed have colder winters than places in the same latitude in Europe.
Yep. You can thank the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Current for that.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on December 27, 2023, 09:10:50 AM
Continuing this thread. Large parts of North America and Asia indeed have colder winters than places in the same latitude in Europe. And in Aberdeen, SD, January averages -10 C yet July averages 22 C.
The averages in January are:
Aberdeen, South DakotaLatitude: 45 degrees North
Average Low: 2 degrees
Average High: 21 degrees
Aberdeen, ScotlandLatitude: 57 degrees North
Average Low: 33 degrees
Average High: 44 degrees
The one in Scotland is farther north than even Winnipeg, Manitoba, and yet the coldest ever recorded in Scotland was -3 F, which is a normal January low in Winnipeg. In fact Scotland's average January low temperature is similar to that of Macon, Georgia, which is only about 30 degrees North of the equator.
My goal is to become a "reverse snowbird." This summer, I plan to take a couple of weeks in late July and visit the UP of Michigan to see if I enjoy it. If I do, I might extend future trips well into August. As long as it stays 100ºF in Dallas and below I'm good, but when it starts getting to 105 or 106 I'm ready to bail.
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My goal is to become a "reverse snowbird."
That sounds more like when my dad said he'd enjoy living in a cold climate during the winter and a hot climate during the summer.
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My goal is to become a "reverse snowbird."
That sounds more like when my dad said he'd enjoy living in a cold climate during the winter and a hot climate during the summer.
And then he moved to Kansas and got to live out his dream, eh?
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And then he moved to Kansas and got to live out his dream, eh?
He has only ever lived in Indiana (Fort Wayne), Illinois (Chicago area, Charleston), Missouri (Saint Louis), and Kansas (Mission, Atwood, Wichita).
But I remember seeing snowbirds on vacation growing up, and my dad and I had a discussion about it at the time. He said that he enjoys the different seasons so much that he'd enjoy living somewhere like Colorado in the winter and then a desert area like Arizona during the summer.
Quote from: kphoger on January 03, 2024, 04:08:36 PM
But I remember seeing snowbirds on vacation growing up, and my dad and I had a discussion about it at the time. He said that he enjoys the different seasons so much that he'd enjoy living somewhere like Colorado in the winter and then a desert area like Arizona during the summer.
Well, most of the Great Lakes region has all four seasons in equal measure. And minus the desert, I would argue the summers and winters are almost as superlative.
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But I remember seeing snowbirds on vacation growing up, and my dad and I had a discussion about it at the time. He said that he enjoys the different seasons so much that he'd enjoy living somewhere like Colorado in the winter and then a desert area like Arizona during the summer.
Well, most of the Great Lakes region has all four seasons in equal measure. And minus the desert, I would argue the summers and winters are almost as superlative.
Nope, nice spring temperatures only last for a few hours some random May afternoon. Then it goes directly into hot summer weather. :-D Before that it's still the season called mostly-winter.
Fall is better, but half of it consists of dreary chilly cloudy days through most of Nov and Dec.
There's a huge difference between 105 and sunny in New Mexico and 95 and sunny in Illinois.
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There's a huge difference between 105 and sunny in New Mexico and 95 and sunny in Illinois.
Yeah, 95 and sunny in Illinois is a lot worse.
Dry heat and humid heat have their own evils; summer in New Orleans you can't cool your body down, and in Phoenix you dehydrate
much more rapidly....both ways can be lethal. The Gulf Coast (from Texas to Florida) has the most uncomfortable summers and the highest heat index in the country.
The Great Plains and Midwest are hit and miss when it comes to summer conditions (mostly misses). In my experiences in July I've felt more comfortable in the Twin Cities (83 average high) than in Phoenix (107 average high)....I've been to both cities in the peak of summer. Even Southern Illinois averages only around 40-45 days of 90+ degrees in a year....that not much of an extreme.
My point was to disagree with the assertion by |webny99| that Arizona summers and Great Lakes summers are similar in any meaningful way.
At least in a desert, you know you're in a desert and can plan accordingly by having water on hand should you need it. There's no escaping humidity.
Sort of like the water version of the "heat is worse than cold because you can always put more clothes on but can't keep taking them off" thing.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2024, 06:50:57 PM
My point was to disagree with the assertion by |webny99| that Arizona summers and Great Lakes summers are similar in any meaningful way.
And my point was that the Illinois version of summer is arguably the more extreme/superlative version, so he wouldn't have had to go to Arizona to experience that.
From my experience living in both dry-heat climates (Utah) and humid heat climates (Georgia and Florida), the humidity only really makes a difference when temperatures are in the 80s and 90s. Once the temperature gets above 100, it doesn't really matter anymore - it's brutal no matter what.
It's a different kind of heat, though. 100 and humid, you feel like you're going to melt away. A dry 100 feels like getting baked. This past summer in Tallahassee we had several periods with temperatures approaching or exceeding 100 with dewpoints in the high 70s, which gave heat index values higher than 115. Was that brutal? Absolutely. But I don't think it was any worse than the 100+ days I've experienced out west.
The hottest I have ever been was downtown Salt Lake City on a 107 degree day (airport tied the all-time record). A breeze was blowing out of the south...and it was not at all refreshing. It felt like getting roasted alive in a convection oven.
Quote from: US 89 on January 06, 2024, 02:53:03 AM
From my experience living in both dry-heat climates (Utah) and humid heat climates (Georgia and Florida), the humidity only really makes a difference when temperatures are in the 80s and 90s. Once the temperature gets above 100, it doesn't really matter anymore - it's brutal no matter what.
It's a different kind of heat, though. 100 and humid, you feel like you're going to melt away. A dry 100 feels like getting baked. This past summer in Tallahassee we had several periods with temperatures approaching or exceeding 100 with dewpoints in the high 70s, which gave heat index values higher than 115. Was that brutal? Absolutely. But I don't think it was any worse than the 100+ days I've experienced out west.
The hottest I have ever been was downtown Salt Lake City on a 107 degree day (airport tied the all-time record). A breeze was blowing out of the south...and it was not at all refreshing. It felt like getting roasted alive in a convection oven.
For me, the biggest difference is that, in a dry climate, my sweat evaporates much more readily. (Bear in mind, I've done outdoor manual labor in both southern Illinois and northern Mexico.) If it's 96 and humid, it's oppressive, and I feel like someone is sitting on my chest if I do hard work for very long. If it's 106 and dry, I can go significantly longer—even at higher elevation.
It would be nice to see a place where summers are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on January 08, 2024, 01:36:46 PM
It would be nice to see a place where summers are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
Where in the Southern Hemisphere? Not even Ushuaia matches those criteria.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
Where in the Southern Hemisphere? Not even Ushuaia matches those criteria.
I wasn't thinking of any place in particular, just pointing out that those are the winter months in the Southern Hemisphere, so that would be a good starting point to find this "reverse climate" on Earth as currently constituted.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 04, 2024, 10:20:26 PM
At least in a desert, you know you're in a desert and can plan accordingly by having water on hand should you need it.
You would think it's that simple, but apparently people are still (literally) dying while out in the middle of the desert like bottom of the Grand Canyon. I guess people either:
A) Had that false sense of comfort by underestimating the lethality of low humidity and neglect to properly hydrate, or
B) Even with drinking a lot of water, but overexerting themselves causing them to dehydrate faster.
In conditions such as temperature of 110 degrees and dew point of anything below 40 degrees, even just standing outside doing nothing else, the average person probably can't last an hour (at least without immediate medical assistance) in dry heat without ample hydration.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
I meant a place which is too far north or in high elevation. In Northern hemisphere. It causes summers to be very short and cool, and long winters with snow cover continuously from late September to early June.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
I meant a place which is too far north or in high elevation. In Northern hemisphere. It causes summers to be very short and cool, and long winters with snow cover continuously from late September to early June.
Northern Greenland? Baffin Island?
Quote from: jgb191 on January 08, 2024, 09:16:35 PM
In conditions such as temperature of 110 degrees and dew point of anything below 40 degrees, even just standing outside doing nothing else, the average person probably can't last an hour (at least without immediate medical assistance) in dry heat without ample hydration.
In 90s weather, I can go several hours of manual labor without hydration in a dry climate, even at high elevation. But I don't think I've had to do much in temps in the ballpark of 110. As a kid, though, I could have easily gone swimming in those temperatures for hours at a time; growing up, I used to swim from 2:00 to 5:00 every day in the summer without drinking anything, and high temps generally ran between 96 and 102.
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In conditions such as temperature of 110 degrees and dew point of anything below 40 degrees, even just standing outside doing nothing else, the average person probably can't last an hour (at least without immediate medical assistance) in dry heat without ample hydration.
In 90s weather, I can go several hours of manual labor without hydration in a dry climate, even at high elevation. But I don't think I've had to do much in temps in the ballpark of 110. As a kid, though, I could have easily gone swimming in those temperatures for hours at a time; growing up, I used to swim from 2:00 to 5:00 every day in the summer without drinking anything, and high temps generally ran between 96 and 102.
Yeah, same here. Then, my kidneys decided to protest with a slowdown.
You get your adult kidneys and then it's just managing their deterioration from that point forward...
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
I meant a place which is too far north or in high elevation. In Northern hemisphere. It causes summers to be very short and cool, and long winters with snow cover continuously from late September to early June.
Northern Greenland? Baffin Island?
Souky.
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Souky.
Unless Souky is a real place, then this belongs in your fictional "Poiponen13 in one thread" dumpster fire.
Troll.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
I meant a place which is too far north or in high elevation. In Northern hemisphere. It causes summers to be very short and cool, and long winters with snow cover continuously from late September to early June.
Northern Greenland? Baffin Island?
Souky.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
I meant a place which is too far north or in high elevation. In Northern hemisphere. It causes summers to be very short and cool, and long winters with snow cover continuously from late September to early June.
Northern Greenland? Baffin Island?
Souky.
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It would be nice to see a place where summers winters are very cool, and there is still quite a lot of snow in the beginning of June, frost measured at least one day in every July and August, and temperatures under -15 C as late as early May and as early as late September. I now start imagining a large city in such climate. I like places where it happens.
This belongs in your fictional thread. You're just making stuff up.
Well, with one small change, it sounds a whole lot like the Southern Hemisphere...
I meant a place which is too far north or in high elevation. In Northern hemisphere. It causes summers to be very short and cool, and long winters with snow cover continuously from late September to early June.
Northern Greenland? Baffin Island?
Souky.
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Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2024, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on January 08, 2024, 09:16:35 PM
In conditions such as temperature of 110 degrees and dew point of anything below 40 degrees, even just standing outside doing nothing else, the average person probably can't last an hour (at least without immediate medical assistance) in dry heat without ample hydration.
In 90s weather, I can go several hours of manual labor without hydration in a dry climate, even at high elevation. But I don't think I've had to do much in temps in the ballpark of 110. As a kid, though, I could have easily gone swimming in those temperatures for hours at a time; growing up, I used to swim from 2:00 to 5:00 every day in the summer without drinking anything, and high temps generally ran between 96 and 102.
In low dew points, mid-90s is quite tolerable....we were around 90 degrees yesterday and I was still able to mow the lawn without much discomfort. But mid-110s can be damaging to the skin especially being outside for a while. And lots of people also neglect to realize that the desert Southwest also sees consistently higher heat index than most other places in the country (outside the Gulf Coast). Even with dew point in the 40s, the average July high in Phoenix (106 degrees) sees the Heat Index near the actual temperature.
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In conditions such as temperature of 110 degrees and dew point of anything below 40 degrees, even just standing outside doing nothing else, the average person probably can't last an hour (at least without immediate medical assistance) in dry heat without ample hydration.
In 90s weather, I can go several hours of manual labor without hydration in a dry climate, even at high elevation. But I don't think I've had to do much in temps in the ballpark of 110. As a kid, though, I could have easily gone swimming in those temperatures for hours at a time; growing up, I used to swim from 2:00 to 5:00 every day in the summer without drinking anything, and high temps generally ran between 96 and 102.
In low dew points, mid-90s is quite tolerable....we were around 90 degrees yesterday and I was still able to mow the lawn without much discomfort. But mid-110s can be damaging to the skin especially being outside for a while. And lots of people also neglect to realize that the desert Southwest also sees consistently higher heat index than most other places in the country (outside the Gulf Coast). Even with dew point in the 40s, the average July high in Phoenix (106 degrees) sees the Heat Index near the actual temperature.
It also depends if you're in the blazing sun or the shade, and if there's a breeze or not.
Quote from: webny99 on January 09, 2024, 09:38:17 PM
It also depends if you're in the blazing sun or the shade, and if there's a breeze or not.
Breezes don't work past 95°. (http://www.zunis.org/at_least_theres_a_breeze.htm)
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It also depends if you're in the blazing sun or the shade, and if there's a breeze or not.
Breezes don't work past 95°.
Oversimplification. Breezes help your sweat evaporate faster, which helps your body cool, no matter how hot the ambient air temperature.
That was interesting phenomenon to observe on summer runs in Phoenix. If it was super windy (not uncommon with the monsoon) and in the 90s it my water intake needs went up exponentially. The wind felt great, but the effect is definitely was something I noticed.
Humidity is a small price to pay for consistent access to abundant water.
Punch a hole in the ground anywhere around here and you've pretty got as much water as you need.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 10, 2024, 09:54:21 AM
That was interesting phenomenon to observe on summer runs in Phoenix. If it was super windy (not uncommon with the monsoon) and in the 90s it my water intake needs went up exponentially. The wind felt great, but the effect is definitely was something I noticed.
Yes. Sweating will keep you cool better but, when your sweat isn't soaking through your clothes, it's easy to forget your body is still sweating water out—indeed, more than usual.
Quote from: kphoger on September 18, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
Here's what I want:
10 months out of the year – highs in the 60s to 80s, lows in the 40s to 60s.
1 month of full-on winter, with snowstorms every other day or something.
1 month of full-on summer, with highs over 100 and not a cloud in the sky.
People talk about how they love the changing of the seasons. I do too, but summer and winter are just way too long.
Good luck with that :)
Didn't mean to start a holy war with my previous post. I just want a break from the extreme summer temperatures. Whether it's a couple weeks or if I can get it with my vaca, a full month.