I am looking for what place in the United States has the best weather. I would like to find a place that is usually sunny and 70 most of the time year-round with minimal rain and no snow.
Quote from: Dough4872 on November 01, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
I am looking for what place in the United States has the best weather. I would like to find a place that is usually sunny and 70 most of the time year-round with minimal rain and no snow.
San Francisco.
Do you tolerate greater than 70 degrees? Try Phoenix.
Looking for exactly 70 degrees year-round? Can't help ya.
Quote from: Rothman on November 01, 2023, 11:43:23 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on November 01, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
I am looking for what place in the United States has the best weather. I would like to find a place that is usually sunny and 70 most of the time year-round with minimal rain and no snow.
San Francisco.
For minimal rain I'd go for Santa Barbara to San Diego, anywhere within a few miles of the ocean. Inland can get hotter pretty quickly.
Not Florida, that's for sure.
Hawaii has very consistent temperatures albeit closer to 80 than 70, if you can afford to live there.
Quote from: bm7 on November 02, 2023, 12:00:51 AM
Hawaii has very consistent temperatures albeit closer to 80 than 70, if you can afford to live there.
But it also rains a lot in some parts of the state. One spot on Kauai is the rainiest place on earth. Other islands have extreme precipitation variations, with "microclimates" only a few miles wide, and at least one community with "wet" and "dry" sides. So choose your spot carefully.
The extreme cost of living is statewide, sometimes called the "paradise tax" (COL about a third higher than the mainland).
The other thing to think about, from our perspective, is road trip opportunities are somewhat limited. You can't even take your car to other islands, with the failure of the Hawaii Superferry. So even road trips to Hawaii's other islands, let alone other states, mean catching a plane and renting a car at the other end. I'm sure I would be feeling pretty cooped up if I lived there, as much as I've enjoyed my short-term visits to Hawaii.
San Diego
I would have to say San Diego.
San Diego
San Diego isn't warmer than 70 on average?
Quote from: Rothman on November 02, 2023, 02:39:53 PM
San Diego isn't warmer than 70 on average?
Seven months have an average high temp of < 70°F.
Five months have an average high temp of > 70°F.
No month has an average high temp of 80°F or more.
My high school math teacher used to live in San Diego. I don't know how she survived her first November to April in the Great Lakes, not seeing the sun for weeks on end. November alone probably brought more clouds that she'd seen in three decades in San Diego.
Quote from: kphoger on November 02, 2023, 02:43:31 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 02, 2023, 02:39:53 PM
San Diego isn't warmer than 70 on average?
Seven months have an average high temp of < 70°F.
Five months have an average high temp of > 70°F.
No month has an average high temp of 80°F or more.
That would be downtown San Diego, which is on the water.
Go inland 17 miles to El Cajon and you have three months (July-September) when the average high temperature is 86°F or higher. That's why I add the caveat, stay within "a few" (meaning 3-5) miles of the water in Southern California if you want those cooler temperatures.
Another thing about Southern California vs. San Francisco would be many more 70-degree days in Southern California during the winter months, where the Bay Area has a lot of not-cold but chilly and damp days in the 50s in the winter.
I can't believe no one has said Redwood City. It's been tested!
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Quote from: IMGoph on November 03, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
I can't believe no one has said Redwood City. It's been tested!
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Heh. Well, it is just a little south of San Francisco. I used to live near Redwood City in far southern San Mateo...
Look no further than southern Texas gulf coast....either Corpus Christi or Rio Grande Valley area. We have the closest to perfect year-round climate as you'll find anywhere in the country. Even in the middle of January we can enjoy golfing, barbecue, a day at the beach, or any other form of outdoor activity. Not very many states outside Texas will you find ideal beach weather in the winter.
The only thing I don't like about our climate is that during our winters we will get a couple of frigid cold blasts that send our low temperatures very close to freezing for a few nights out of the year. But vast majority of the year, you'll get to enjoy warm conditions and best of all, here you'll never have to worry about snow or ice hazards, which cause a lot of fatalities on the roads and highways.
Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
Look no further than southern Texas gulf coast....either Corpus Christi or Rio Grande Valley area. We have the closest to perfect year-round climate as you'll find anywhere in the country. Even in the middle of January we can enjoy golfing, barbecue, a day at the beach, or any other form of outdoor activity. Not very many states outside Texas will you find ideal beach weather in the winter.
The only thing I don't like about our climate is that during our winters we will get a couple of frigid cold blasts that send our low temperatures very close to freezing for a few nights out of the year. But vast majority of the year, you'll get to enjoy warm conditions and best of all, here you'll never have to worry about snow or ice hazards, which cause a lot of fatalities on the roads and highways.
Corpus Christi? Land of 150% humidity?
Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
Look no further than southern Texas gulf coast....either Corpus Christi or Rio Grande Valley area. We have the closest to perfect year-round climate as you'll find anywhere in the country. Even in the middle of January we can enjoy golfing, barbecue, a day at the beach, or any other form of outdoor activity. Not very many states outside Texas will you find ideal beach weather in the winter.
I enjoyed my trip to South Padre Island a couple years ago. Nice beach town, has a very Mexican atmosphere, and many of the buildings look like they're built like fortresses to withstand the occasional hurricane.
However...the OP is looking for temperature around 70°F year-round, and I'm not seeing that along the Texas Gulf Coast. At South Padre the average
low temperature from June through September is in the 77°F-79°F vicinity. The Gulf does moderate the high temperature so that's around 88°F-89°F during those months, but it comes with rain and plenty of humidity. I'd call that "relentless heat". It's a reasonable snowbird destination but you can have the summer.
Quote from: DriverDave on November 02, 2023, 12:56:49 AM
San Diego
"June gloom" can mean inconsistent beach weather much of the year.
I'm looking to make the reverse snowbird move. Take a few weeks in July/August and maybe check out the UP or the northern LP.
Here is a map where you can find which areas have a climate that's just right for you.
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Quote from: bing101 on November 04, 2023, 07:33:52 AM
Here is a map where you can find which areas have a climate that's just right for you.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/36/e7/2b36e7e9acf6b3ad4a6fca556b288e12.png)
Here we go again...
Quote from: Rothman on November 04, 2023, 07:41:40 AM
Quote from: bing101 on November 04, 2023, 07:33:52 AM
Here is a map where you can find which areas have a climate that's just right for you.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/36/e7/2b36e7e9acf6b3ad4a6fca556b288e12.png)
Here we go again...
Yes we mentioned this on another thread about movies getting their local references wrong.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10575.150
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2023, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on November 03, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
Look no further than southern Texas gulf coast....either Corpus Christi or Rio Grande Valley area. We have the closest to perfect year-round climate as you'll find anywhere in the country. Even in the middle of January we can enjoy golfing, barbecue, a day at the beach, or any other form of outdoor activity. Not very many states outside Texas will you find ideal beach weather in the winter.
The only thing I don't like about our climate is that during our winters we will get a couple of frigid cold blasts that send our low temperatures very close to freezing for a few nights out of the year. But vast majority of the year, you'll get to enjoy warm conditions and best of all, here you'll never have to worry about snow or ice hazards, which cause a lot of fatalities on the roads and highways.
Corpus Christi? Land of 150% humidity?
Not every day.....some days we do drop down to around 102% RH. Which reminds me: Did I forget to mention we are also the land of 80-degree Dew Points and Heat Index in the 110s on the daily for nearly half the year and 90 degree temperatures even in the winter?
Miami is nice.
Quote from: bing101 on November 04, 2023, 07:33:52 AM
Here is a map where you can find which areas have a climate that's just right for you.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/36/e7/2b36e7e9acf6b3ad4a6fca556b288e12.png)
I'm not sure I trust any map that claims that Long Island has the same climate as most of Florida.
I wouldn't pick here (Central VA). Every weekend in the summer has at least one thunderstorm.
Quote from: vdeane on November 04, 2023, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: bing101 on November 04, 2023, 07:33:52 AM
Here is a map where you can find which areas have a climate that's just right for you.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/36/e7/2b36e7e9acf6b3ad4a6fca556b288e12.png)
I'm not sure I trust any map that claims that Long Island has the same climate as most of Florida.
One expects Long Island to be in the same climate zone as Chicago though as in Continental climate. But then again data over a long period of time was considered.
Quote from: bing101 on November 06, 2023, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: vdeane on November 04, 2023, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: bing101 on November 04, 2023, 07:33:52 AM
Here is a map where you can find which areas have a climate that's just right for you.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/36/e7/2b36e7e9acf6b3ad4a6fca556b288e12.png)
I'm not sure I trust any map that claims that Long Island has the same climate as most of Florida.
One expects Long Island to be in the same climate zone as Chicago though as in Continental climate. But then again data over a long period of time was considered.
Eh, I wouldn't, but then, I live near Albany, so the weather maps I see regularly show the temperature difference. But Long Island has a winter, while I doubt anyone living in the north would consider Florida to have a winter.
While I agree that Long Island does not have the same climate as Florida... a Long Island winter is probably more comparable to a Florida winter than it is to an upstate/western NY winter. :)
Quote from: webny99 on November 07, 2023, 10:47:12 AM
While I agree that Long Island does not have the same climate as Florida... a Long Island winter is probably more comparable to a Florida winter than it is to an upstate/western NY winter. :)
No.
Quote from: Rothman on November 07, 2023, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 07, 2023, 10:47:12 AM
While I agree that Long Island does not have the same climate as Florida... a Long Island winter is probably more comparable to a Florida winter than it is to an upstate/western NY winter. :)
No.
I had made some graphs illustrating this point, but then my computer completely locked up and I had to pull the plug to restart it. And I'm not too eager to re-input the data. Suffice it to say that, at least when it comes to average monthly temperatures, Hempstead (NY) is a lot more like Rome (NY) than it is like Gainesville (FL).
ETA: Ah, good old document recovery!(https://i.imgur.com/E9UTRqk.jpg)
Quote from: webny99 on November 07, 2023, 10:47:12 AM
While I agree that Long Island does not have the same climate as Florida... a Long Island winter is probably more comparable to a Florida winter than it is to an upstate/western NY winter. :)
I wouldn't say that. For one thing, it gets down to freezing and snows on the regular on Long Island. Not as much as around Albany, must less areas to the north or west, but still. As I understand it, such are rare events in Florida.
Incidentally, I think you might have just accused Albany of being downstate there, given that we only get half the snow that Rochester does, at least in a normal year.
Mostly, I was just making fun of Long Island. The ocean prevents temperatures from falling dramatically below freezing and winter precipitation often falls as rain - not just relative to upstate, even relative to inland areas like Orange and Dutchess.
Quote from: webny99 on November 07, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
Mostly, I was just making fun of Long Island. The ocean prevents temperatures from falling dramatically below freezing and winter precipitation often falls as rain - not just relative to upstate, even relative to inland areas like Orange and Dutchess.
106 inches = Average annual snowfall in Rome, New York
65 inches = Average annual snowfall in Fairbanks, Alaska
23 inches = Average annual snowfall in Hempstead, Long Island, New York
18 inches = Average annual snowfall in Kansas City, Missouri
0 inches = Average annual snowfall in Gainesville, Florida
Quote from: kphoger on November 07, 2023, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: webny99 on November 07, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
Mostly, I was just making fun of Long Island. The ocean prevents temperatures from falling dramatically below freezing and winter precipitation often falls as rain - not just relative to upstate, even relative to inland areas like Orange and Dutchess.
106 inches = Average annual snowfall in Rome, New York
65 inches = Average annual snowfall in Fairbanks, Alaska
23 inches = Average annual snowfall in Hempstead, Long Island, New York
18 inches = Average annual snowfall in Kansas City, Missouri
0 inches = Average annual snowfall in Gainesville, Florida
What's the average snowfall in Antarctica?
Note that the Koppen map distinguishes between types of climates. Two things can be the same type without being identical. While on a human scale, temperature is probably the first thing we notice, it is not the whole picture. So I would suppose someone who knows more about Koppen climate categorization could point out the things that Gainesville and Hempstead have in common that make them the same "climate type".
Quote from: GaryV on November 07, 2023, 04:38:04 PM
What's the average snowfall in Antarctica?
Somewhere between 2 inches and 7 inches per year, depending on what source you read.
However, it varies quite a lot between the coast and inland. McMurdo Station gets an average of 58 inches of snow per year.
Quote from: kphoger on November 08, 2023, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 07, 2023, 04:38:04 PM
What's the average snowfall in Antarctica?
Somewhere between 2 inches and 7 inches per year, depending on what source you read.
However, it varies quite a lot between the coast and inland. McMurdo Station gets an average of 58 inches of snow per year.
The Antarctic Desert is one of the driest on Earth...
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 07, 2023, 04:52:44 PM
Note that the Koppen map distinguishes between types of climates. Two things can be the same type without being identical. While on a human scale, temperature is probably the first thing we notice, it is not the whole picture. So I would suppose someone who knows more about Koppen climate categorization could point out the things that Gainesville and Hempstead have in common that make them the same "climate type".
For climates that aren't polar (average temp less than 50F in all months - Köppen prefix
E), some type of arid/semiarid (prefix
B), or tropical (average temp greater than 64.4F in all months - prefix
A), the Köppen classification distinguishes three things:
1. Extent of cold season - this is measured by the average temperature in coldest month. If this is less than 26.6F or 32F, depending on the definition you use, it is a continental climate (prefix
D). Between that 26.6/32F threshold and 64F, it is considered temperate (prefix
C). If it were warmer than 64.4F, it'd be tropical.
2. Seasonality of precipitation - as determined by dry season. In dry winter climates (Köppen
w), the driest winter month has less than 10% of the precipitation of the wettest summer month. Dry summer climates (
s) have the driest summer month with less than 33% of the precipitation of the wettest winter month. If it doesn't meet either of those criteria, the precip is considered more or less evenly distributed, and
f is used.
3. Degree of summer warmth. Hot summer climates (Köppen
a) have at least four months average over 50F, and at least one averages over 71.6F. Warm summer (
b) have at least four monthly averages over 50F but none over 71.6F. Cool summer (
c) has 1 to 3 months over 50F - any less and it'd be a polar climate. There is also a cold-winter variant (
d)for continental climates involving 1-3 months over 50F and the coldest winter month average below -36.4F, but these climates are not found outside of interior Siberia.
By those definitions, Gainesville and Hempstead both have a "temperate" winter, evenly distributed precipitation, and a hot summer, thus the
Cfa climate class. That class is relatively broad, and Gainesville and Hempstead are at opposite ends of that distribution - Hempstead's winter is almost cold enough to be continental, and Gainesville's winter isn't too much colder than that required for a tropical climate.
Quote from: Dough4872 on November 01, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
I am looking for what place in the United States has the best weather. I would like to find a place that is usually sunny and 70 most of the time year-round with minimal rain and no snow.
San Francisco mid-peninsula - around Palo Alto, Menlo Park, and Redwood City. Lots of sun. Freezes are rare, and temperatures above about 85 are unusual.
The city of San Francisco is in the fog belt and rarely gets over 65.
Either way, make sure you're sitting down before you look through the real estate listings.
Quote from: kkt on January 12, 2024, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on November 01, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
I am looking for what place in the United States has the best weather. I would like to find a place that is usually sunny and 70 most of the time year-round with minimal rain and no snow.
San Francisco mid-peninsula - around Palo Alto, Menlo Park, and Redwood City. Lots of sun. Freezes are rare, and temperatures above about 85 are unusual.
The city of San Francisco is in the fog belt and rarely gets over 65.
Either way, make sure you're sitting down before you look through the real estate listings.
I've always found it fascinating how San Francisco is basically in a different climate than Sacramento.
Quote from: epzik8 on February 03, 2024, 03:58:23 PM
I've always found it fascinating how San Francisco is basically in a different climate than Sacramento.
Yup. That's what the ocean and mountains would do. Sacramento typically gets a lot hotter than San Francisco.
Quote from: epzik8 on February 03, 2024, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 12, 2024, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: Dough4872 on November 01, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
I am looking for what place in the United States has the best weather. I would like to find a place that is usually sunny and 70 most of the time year-round with minimal rain and no snow.
San Francisco mid-peninsula - around Palo Alto, Menlo Park, and Redwood City. Lots of sun. Freezes are rare, and temperatures above about 85 are unusual.
The city of San Francisco is in the fog belt and rarely gets over 65.
Either way, make sure you're sitting down before you look through the real estate listings.
I've always found it fascinating how San Francisco is basically in a different climate than Sacramento.
If you live in cities like Benicia, Vallejo, Fairfield and Suisun City in Solano County, CA we get a mix of both Sacramento and Bay Area weather at the same time given that these places are at the border of CSC and CSB Mediterranean climate. It's that we get both variants of the Mediterranean climate.
One thing I was surprised to learn is that hardly anyone in the Bay area has central air conditioning. The homes warm up in the afternoon/evening but cool right off throughout the night.
Quote from: webny99 on February 08, 2024, 02:30:23 PM
One thing I was surprised to learn is that hardly anyone in the Bay area has central air conditioning. The homes warm up in the afternoon/evening but cool right off throughout the night.
That used to be the case in Denver too back in the day. We didn't have central air in a new build when I moved here originally in 1993.
Quote from: webny99 on February 08, 2024, 02:30:23 PM
One thing I was surprised to learn is that hardly anyone in the Bay area has central air conditioning. The homes warm up in the afternoon/evening but cool right off throughout the night.
Also the case in Seattle, until very recently. The 2021 heat dome event broke most of us.
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Here is one if one wants to find the best climate outside of the United States.