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Title: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: KCRoadFan on December 21, 2023, 12:50:12 PM
I was just thinking about how in the time and place I grew up (the early 2000's in Columbia, MO), many of the houses there - especially those in the westside neighborhood in which we lived - displayed their address numbers as being spelled out, most commonly set in a small, black cursive script font.

More recently, the spelled-out house numbers seem to have fallen out of favor - during that period, there were several ABA consultants who worked with me, and we would often go on walks, which normally followed a set route through my neighborhood in Columbia. Because of that, I came to remember which houses had the spelled-out numbers, and when I drove down those same streets more than a decade later, I saw that many of those houses had since replaced the text with conventional numerals.

That being said, where I live now - Kansas City - there are still some spelled-out house numbers out there, although they seem somewhat uncommon. That made me wonder: when did you start seeing them in your area? Also, what is your opinion on spelled-out house numbers? I think that while they look pretty, they could pose a hindrance to people looking for the house, such as pizza deliveries, mail carriers, and emergency personnel.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 12:51:54 PM
The neighborhood I grew up in had a lot of these though the homeowners tended to gradually replace them with digits.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: GaryV on December 21, 2023, 12:56:39 PM
I think it was a trend to look "classy". I most often saw them on 1970's and 1980's era houses, the ones with two stories and a big garage front.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: SectorZ on December 21, 2023, 01:07:35 PM
I feel like a lot of the houses the had/have spelled out numbers also have the half-screen storm door with the horse-drawn wagon on it.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: CtrlAltDel on December 21, 2023, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 12:51:54 PM
The neighborhood I grew up in had a lot of these though the homeowners tended to gradually replace them with digits.

This is my experience as well. As a side note, I never liked them, and I especially didn't like them when the ten's digit was zero, so you'd see things like:

(https://i.imgur.com/wYT3BhM.png)

which negated, I think, any elegance they were going for.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Rothman on December 21, 2023, 01:38:50 PM
Bonus prestige points if they were in cursive. :D
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
Some—definitely by no means all—of the houses in the neighborhood where we lived when I was ages 2–10 had spelled-out numbers, usually in cursive. The neighborhood where I live now has covenants that specifically disallow spelled-out numbers. Supposedly digits are easier for emergency responders to identify at a quick glance.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
Some—definitely by no means all—of the houses in the neighborhood where we lived when I was ages 2–10 had spelled-out numbers, usually in cursive. The neighborhood where I live now has covenants that specifically disallow spelled-out numbers. Supposedly digits are easier for emergency responders to identify at a quick glance.

Yes, it is much easier (and expedient) for a first responder to recognize a dwelling with "123" on it rather than "One Twenty-Three" or "One Hundred Twenty-Three", whether the spelled out number is in cursive or not.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
Some—definitely by no means all—of the houses in the neighborhood where we lived when I was ages 2–10 had spelled-out numbers, usually in cursive. The neighborhood where I live now has covenants that specifically disallow spelled-out numbers. Supposedly digits are easier for emergency responders to identify at a quick glance.

Yes, it is much easier (and expedient) for a first responder to recognize a dwelling with "123" on it rather than "One Twenty-Three" or "One Hundred Twenty-Three", whether the spelled out number is in cursive or not.

No doubt. The main reason I said "supposedly" (which is not apparent from my prior comment, so my fault there) is that it may be questionable whether the digits are particularly visible at all, at least at night. There are some people in our neighborhood, for example, who refuse to turn on their outside lights at night. It's not all that easy to see their house numbers at all, but I suppose if the neighbor uses his, they could use his house number to find the one they need.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
Some—definitely by no means all—of the houses in the neighborhood where we lived when I was ages 2–10 had spelled-out numbers, usually in cursive. The neighborhood where I live now has covenants that specifically disallow spelled-out numbers. Supposedly digits are easier for emergency responders to identify at a quick glance.

Yes, it is much easier (and expedient) for a first responder to recognize a dwelling with "123" on it rather than "One Twenty-Three" or "One Hundred Twenty-Three", whether the spelled out number is in cursive or not.

No doubt. The main reason I said "supposedly" (which is not apparent from my prior comment, so my fault there) is that it may be questionable whether the digits are particularly visible at all, at least at night. There are some people in our neighborhood, for example, who refuse to turn on their outside lights at night. It's not all that easy to see their house numbers at all, but I suppose if the neighbor uses his, they could use his house number to find the one they need.
Yup. Also, there are some neighborhoods that have the house numbers painted on the curb (if there is one), which also helps them identify a particular house. Sometimes the numbers are even painted with reflective paint.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: kkt on December 21, 2023, 02:50:01 PM
Maybe if the house number is in the single digits:  One Bag End.

Otherwise, it's a silly attempt to look prestigious which makes it look pompous instead, and houses harder to find.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on December 21, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 21, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
Some—definitely by no means all—of the houses in the neighborhood where we lived when I was ages 2–10 had spelled-out numbers, usually in cursive. The neighborhood where I live now has covenants that specifically disallow spelled-out numbers. Supposedly digits are easier for emergency responders to identify at a quick glance.

Yes, it is much easier (and expedient) for a first responder to recognize a dwelling with "123" on it rather than "One Twenty-Three" or "One Hundred Twenty-Three", whether the spelled out number is in cursive or not.

No doubt. The main reason I said "supposedly" (which is not apparent from my prior comment, so my fault there) is that it may be questionable whether the digits are particularly visible at all, at least at night. There are some people in our neighborhood, for example, who refuse to turn on their outside lights at night. It's not all that easy to see their house numbers at all, but I suppose if the neighbor uses his, they could use his house number to find the one they need.
Yup. Also, there are some neighborhoods that have the house numbers painted on the curb (if there is one), which also helps them identify a particular house. Sometimes the numbers are even painted with reflective paint.

Heh. My Eagle Scout project way back when involved painting house numbers on curbs, so I'm quite familiar with that sort of thing.  :-D

My current neighborhood doesn't have those, perhaps because the curbs on the streets where the houses are all yellow curbs (with some few exceptions on streets with single-family houses).
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: mgk920 on December 21, 2023, 03:24:17 PM
I've never liked spelled out numbers, either, numbers are there so that others can find the address.  There is one small townhouse complex here where the individual units are lettered ('A' through 'P'), but the letters are in such fancy Olde Englische script that many of them look more like Chinese characters to me.

Mike
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: epzik8 on December 21, 2023, 03:27:23 PM
There's always an occasional house in the older neighborhoods where I live with these. I've found them to be pretentious.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: -- US 175 -- on December 21, 2023, 03:45:28 PM
I've seen occasional spelled-out house addresses over the years, but it's been *quite* a while since I saw one last.  IINM, they were all in snooty/uppity neighborhoods or the homeowner was trying to be that way.  It's hard enough to see house numbers at night as it is, without the added cursive verbiage version.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Rothman on December 21, 2023, 04:45:37 PM
People should just paint huge numbers from roof to ground on the side of their homes.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Big John on December 21, 2023, 04:47:00 PM
Green Bay frequently had spelled out house numbers (and in cursive, Rothman) until the city changed their requirements in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: kphoger on December 21, 2023, 06:01:59 PM
It's better than a house with no visible number on it at all.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Scott5114 on December 21, 2023, 07:08:19 PM
I remember there being a few of these in the neighborhood in Del City I lived in before I was six. I didn't like them then because they were hard to read; being so young, I had trouble with cursive anyway, and the cursive these used was so overly ornate that it was hard even for people more familiar with it to read.

Then I moved to the country and everyone had Route Whatever Box Whatever addresses, so of course there was none of that cursive stuff. When the area got "normal" addresses for 911 purposes, everyone just used normal digits. Then I moved to Norman, and I can't say I remember seeing any houses with anything other than numbers.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Road Hog on December 21, 2023, 07:47:23 PM
No matter how the street address is spelt out, Bell End in Worcestershire wins Street of the Year.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/street-bell-end-names-vladimir-25770554

Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: kphoger on December 21, 2023, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 21, 2023, 07:08:19 PM
Then I moved to Norman, and I can't say I remember seeing any houses with anything other than numbers.

Numbers spelled out are still numbers.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: hotdogPi on December 21, 2023, 08:49:25 PM
Are 110A and 110B numbers?
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Big John on December 21, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 21, 2023, 08:49:25 PM
Are 110A and 110B numbers?
No, alphanumeric characters.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: mgk920 on December 22, 2023, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 21, 2023, 08:49:25 PM
Are 110A and 110B numbers?

They are in Oshkosh, WI.

Mike
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: DandyDan on December 24, 2023, 03:33:15 AM
I remember my old hometown Cottage Grove, MN had a few of them when I was growing up, which was annoying because that city has all 4 or 5 digit addresses. St. Paul Park next door had some as well.

I still see some here in Mason City. One of my coworkers, when he bought his house, had a "thirty" instead of a "30" on his house, which he said had been owned by someone who had owned it "forever". Once winter was over, he changed that as fast as possible. I don't blame him.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Brandon on December 24, 2023, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: Rothman on December 21, 2023, 04:45:37 PM
People should just paint huge numbers from roof to ground on the side of their homes.

The Post Office would still miss these and still deliver to the wrong address.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Here's a house not far from me that has the spelt out numbers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1063923,-77.7200711,3a,15y,189.4h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMhlUMwzM2Qq7ytl07S3FAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

NOTE: The house I posted is currently abandoned (for a while actually) and is for sale so no privacy issues exist here.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Here's a house not far from me that has the spelt out numbers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1063923,-77.7200711,3a,15y,189.4h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMhlUMwzM2Qq7ytl07S3FAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

NOTE: The house I posted is currently abandoned (for a while actually) and is for sale so no privacy issues exist here.
Heh.  There wouldn't be privacy issues anyway.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: 1995hoo on December 25, 2023, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Here's a house not far from me that has the spelt out numbers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1063923,-77.7200711,3a,15y,189.4h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMhlUMwzM2Qq7ytl07S3FAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

NOTE: The house I posted is currently abandoned (for a while actually) and is for sale so no privacy issues exist here.
Heh.  There wouldn't be privacy issues anyway.

Exactly. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when something is in plain view in a public space.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: mgk920 on December 25, 2023, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 25, 2023, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on December 25, 2023, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Here's a house not far from me that has the spelt out numbers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1063923,-77.7200711,3a,15y,189.4h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMhlUMwzM2Qq7ytl07S3FAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

NOTE: The house I posted is currently abandoned (for a while actually) and is for sale so no privacy issues exist here.
Heh.  There wouldn't be privacy issues anyway.

Exactly. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when something is in plain view in a public space.

I have no doubt that there are some people out there who still regard numbered addresses on their properties as nothing more that a part of a sinister conspiracy plot to take over they wold.

Mike
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 25, 2023, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Here's a house not far from me that has the spelt out numbers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1063923,-77.7200711,3a,15y,189.4h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMhlUMwzM2Qq7ytl07S3FAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

NOTE: The house I posted is currently abandoned (for a while actually) and is for sale so no privacy issues exist here.

If if abandoned, the property is still owned by someone; whether it be an individual, bank, government or other entity.  But either way, there's no privacy issue.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 25, 2023, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on December 25, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
Here's a house not far from me that has the spelt out numbers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1063923,-77.7200711,3a,15y,189.4h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMhlUMwzM2Qq7ytl07S3FAA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu

NOTE: The house I posted is currently abandoned (for a while actually) and is for sale so no privacy issues exist here.

If if abandoned, the property is still owned by someone; whether it be an individual, bank, government or other entity.  But either way, there's no privacy issue.
It was most recently owned by a church.

Anyway, I spotted another house with spelled out house numbers. Those are so rare now they really stand out.
Title: Re: Spelled-out house numbers
Post by: kkt on December 25, 2023, 07:44:41 PM
Even though the church doesn't pay tax on it, if they still own the property they have the potential liability risk if someone is injured on their property, especially if they've been neglecting it.