Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
That said, a list of many of the other works that had their copyrights expire and lapse into public domain at 0001 eastern time today should be very interesting (ie, the Grapes of Wrath).
Mike
Now you can include Mickey Mouse in any work you please!
No, you can't. Disney still owns the trademark and will come after you if there is a reasonable assertion that you're portraying your use as theirs.
I think you can only specifically use the Steamboat Willie characterization. It's the same deal when Pooh went into the PD last year. You can use the A.A. Milne novels' interpretation and characterization, but if your Pooh has a red shirt expect the Mouse tro send lawyers after you.
I'd be careful in the early going since I'm sure Disney is eager to make examples out of people.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 01, 2024, 07:36:19 PM
I think you can only specifically use the Steamboat Willie characterization. It's the same deal when Pooh went into the PD last year. You can use the A.A. Milne novels' interpretation and characterization, but if your Pooh has a red shirt expect the Mouse tro send lawyers after you.
I'd be careful in the early going since I'm sure Disney is eager to make examples out of people.
Yeah, only the versions that appear in Steamboat Willie and the other shorts that were released in 1928. Anyone wanting to try should probably just rename the character to Steamboat Willie to give an extra level of protection.
I wasn't disappointed by Blood and Honey. It certainly delivered on the B-level murderous Pooh bear that was promised. I don't know how "Steamboat Willy" can be made over the top silly but I'm sure someone will find a way.
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
So, we're talking about the public just saying, "Wow, nice thing you invented, there. Yeah, you don't own that anymore. It's ours now. Yoink!"
Quote from: Rothman on January 02, 2024, 06:49:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
So, we're talking about the public just saying, "Wow, nice thing you invented, there. Yeah, you don't own that anymore. It's ours now. Yoink!"
Yeah?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: Rothman on January 02, 2024, 06:49:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
So, we're talking about the public just saying, "Wow, nice thing you invented, there. Yeah, you don't own that anymore. It's ours now. Yoink!"
Yeah?
Yep, putting a time limit on private ownership in a capitalist society would be controversial. :D
Quote from: Rothman on January 02, 2024, 06:49:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
So, we're talking about the public just saying, "Wow, nice thing you invented, there. Yeah, you don't own that anymore. It's ours now. Yoink!"
Isn't that more or less what the patent system does?
Quote from: Rothman on January 02, 2024, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: Rothman on January 02, 2024, 06:49:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
So, we're talking about the public just saying, "Wow, nice thing you invented, there. Yeah, you don't own that anymore. It's ours now. Yoink!"
Yeah?
Yep, putting a time limit on private ownership in a capitalist society would be controversial. :D
And?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2024, 10:41:19 PM
I wasn't disappointed by Blood and Honey. It certainly delivered on the B-level murderous Pooh bear that was promised. I don't know how "Steamboat Willy" can be made over the top silly but I'm sure someone will find a way.
John Oliver created a character on Last Week Tonight based off him in preparation for this. It will be interesting to see where that goes.
IIRC, in the earliest days of the USA under its current Constitution, patents and copyrights were limited to 13 years.
Mike
If I recall correctly from my law school patent law class (recognizing that was 26 years ago), the patent term was 17 years for a good while but was changed to 20 years to comply with a multilateral treaty to which the US was a party. Joining the treaty was perceived as beneficial because it meant other member countries afforded more protection to US intellectual property rights (with some notable exceptions, of course!).
Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2024, 02:20:19 PM
IIRC, in the earliest days of the USA under its current Constitution, patents and copyrights were limited to 13 years.
Mike
Also life expectancy back then.
Quote from: Rothman on January 02, 2024, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 02, 2024, 02:20:19 PM
IIRC, in the earliest days of the USA under its current Constitution, patents and copyrights were limited to 13 years.
Mike
Also life expectancy back then.
Doubt that was much of a factor. Selections of print media in the 18th and early 19th centuries were more scarce; most of the "classic" novels weren't written until the 1830s and 40s, so that leaves the bible, newspapers, plays, and epic poems that probably weren't widely available in English. There just weren't very many intellectual properties that were worth protecting for more than a couple decades.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 01, 2024, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 31, 2023, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on December 31, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
Happy Steamboat Willie Day!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm
Haha, holy shit, Disney finally stopped writing checks to get the US copyright term extended?
Congress showed no interest in any farther extensions. I likely wont live to see it, But I do believe that it is past time for a deep rethink of the entire concept of 'copyright' and the length of protection terms. There has to be a restoration of a healthy 'public domain' (where would the Disney Company be if their most beloved works were not already in the public domain when Disney made their versions of them?). Also, nothing should be under copyright if nobody who is currently alive is reasonably expected to have any memory of it in its 'first' release.
Hear, hear. My personal preference would be a copyright term of about 25 years, since I feel like nobody should still be coasting off of anything they did in 1999 at this point, but I acknowledge I'm a bit of a radical when it comes to that.
I liked the terms of the 1710 copyright law, passed by the British parliament and binding on the American colonies: 14 years at first filing, renewable for another 14 years if the author is alive and files for it.
One of the worst things about current copyright law is that it doesn't require re-filing. Most works do NOT become famous like Steamboat Willie or the Grapes of Wrath. Most books have their one printing and are never reprinted and the authors vanish into obscurity. But then their works enter a limbo status: the copyright might or might not be in effect depending on how long the author lived, and it's not easy to discover that if the author never became prominent. A publisher wanting to reprint it or an author wanted to write a derivitive work would have a great deal of trouble even locating who owns the rights, with nothing but a name and address 100 years old. Sure, they could wait for the copyright to be certainly expired, but typical paper for inexpensive books is physically falling apart into dust within 75 years or so. By the time the right to reprint it is secure, there may be no surviving copies left to work from.
TIL that Pete is a cat. Which makes sense, given that mice are the main prey of domestic felines (see Tom and Jerry as the primary example). I've read that in the many battles with Mickey, Pete has a very short fuse, which makes him much like Yosemite Sam when he squares off against Bugs Bunny.
Quote from: Henry on January 02, 2024, 10:18:32 PM
TIL that Pete is a cat. Which makes sense, given that mice are the main prey of domestic felines (see Tom and Jerry as the primary example). I've read that in the many battles with Mickey, Pete has a very short fuse, which makes him much like Yosemite Sam when he squares off against Bugs Bunny.
From being a millennial I associate Pete more as an enemy/frenemy of Goofy than of Mickey.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 02, 2024, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 02, 2024, 10:18:32 PM
TIL that Pete is a cat. Which makes sense, given that mice are the main prey of domestic felines (see Tom and Jerry as the primary example). I've read that in the many battles with Mickey, Pete has a very short fuse, which makes him much like Yosemite Sam when he squares off against Bugs Bunny.
From being a millennial I associate Pete more as an enemy/frenemy of Goofy than of Mickey.
Disney hardly has done much with Mickey in recent decades but has given a ton of secondary characters stuff like memorable TV shows and/or movies. About the biggest thing Mickey was featured during my lifetime was video games.
That's the problem with making one of your characters your company mascot—they're not allowed to have any opinions or do anything interesting because then it might be taken as the company endorsing that.
Hence wife my and I have much of an affinity for characters like Scrooge McDuck, Chip, Dale and Goofy. They all were memorable in lifetime because they were allowed to develop.
That's the way it should be. There's no way one can keep the same character(s) doing funny and interesting things for 9 decades. At some point, best to move on to new characters exploring new universes and meeting new friends and foes.
I think there are ongoing shows that illustrate this quite well; that they're out of new ideas so maybe it's time to close the book.
Everyone likes to try and find the "jump the shark" moment for a series, but I'd look for the "we got a new mattress and now our sex life got worse" episode. That's the real sign a show is ready for the retirement home.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2024, 11:55:48 PM
Disney hardly has done much with Mickey in recent decades but has given a ton of secondary characters stuff like memorable TV shows and/or movies. About the biggest thing Mickey was featured during my lifetime was video games.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 03, 2024, 12:14:32 AM
That's the problem with making one of your characters your company mascot—they're not allowed to have any opinions or do anything interesting because then it might be taken as the company endorsing that.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2024, 12:17:41 AM
Hence wife my and I have much of an affinity for characters like Scrooge McDuck, Chip, Dale and Goofy. They all were memorable in lifetime because they were allowed to develop.
Ryan North seems to be having the same problem.
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