I whipped up a quick PDF from a spreadsheet to summarize the toll tags in the USA and their interagency compatibility.
Summary:
2025 saw the following happen:
- TxDOT and HCTRA merged their systems and are now using HCTRA's database to do the transactions. The TxTag is retired, though existing tags still work. New tags are now EZ-TAGs. This has no impact on NTTA. As compensation (of sorts), HCTRA is now interoperable with the previously held out FL's SunPass and E-Pass and CO's ExpressToll. As a result, TX has been condensed except for NTTA (Which still has the Toll Tag - but still follows the same interoperability.)
- A clarification that E-ZPass does not work on some toll roads operated by Miami agencies. Mostly bridges.
- A clarification that ExpressToll is the only system accepted by metro Denver's Northwest Parkway. The GO-PASS system is a "pay-by-mail" format and no tags are issued. You need an account for discounts. The future remains uncertain for interoperability with E470, Colorado's HOT lanes, KTA, OTA, NTTA, and HCTRA. ExpressToll itself has not signed on to interoperability with SunPass.
I did not detail anything fee-wise here due to room on the sheet.
All states are listed here, those without toll facilities were greyed out.
CA, LA, UT, WA are islands (no interoperability), however - CA, WA and UT make up a region/network. One of 4 networks (the other three being the Central (CO, KS, OK, TX), the E-ZPass (ironically not including MN or MI), and Florida/Georgia
MI has tags, but they are per agency and do not work with each other except for UBP Bay City - which works with E-Z Pass.
AL has tags, but they are per agency and do not work with each other.
https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_20250526.pdf (https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_20250526.pdf)
EDIT:
5/30/2024 - Express Toll joins Central Hub (KS, OK and TX; however Northwest Parkway and HCTRA holding out until later date)
8/31/2024 - UBP Bay City (Michigan) is interoperable with E-ZPass. Fort Bend Parkway Toll Road Authority now works with ExpressToll. HCTRA is still a holdout.
5/26/2025- TxTag/HCTRA merge - includes HCTRA accepting ExpressToll, SunPass. CO NW Parkway separated to show their holdout status
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Two big aspects of interoperability: hardware and legal.
Hardware-wise, looks like garden variety of tags is reducing, with 6C being the leading technology. Mark IV, aka EZ Pass, is the second most common. On the other hand, modern readers seem to be multistandard to deal with variety. So it's possible to get hardware compatibility across the board, not sure how far down the road things are by now.
Contracts between different tolling authorities, and things like non-local high rates, may be an issue.
If I am on a once-a-year long-haul journey, a few extra bucks in tolls may not be a big deal (pennies - compared, for example, with hotel rates). Commercial drivers may have different take.
Quote from: 6a on February 04, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Glad Maryland hasn't done so yet, though I have a feeling they'll get that idea somehow.
Michigan actually has tags. Three, in fact, none of which are interoperable with each other, let alone anything else (I'm pretty sure the Ambassador Bridge Premier Card is a card and not a sticker tag, but I can't actually verify this, so it might even be four!).
https://www.mackinacbridge.org/macpass/macpass/
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Programs/Bridges-and-Structures/Blue-Water-Bridge/RFID-Tag-Placement-Installation.pdf
https://nexpress.dwtunnel.com
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ambassador-premier-card/
Quote from: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: 6a on February 04, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Glad Maryland hasn't done so yet, though I have a feeling they'll get that idea somehow.
Maryland briefly introduced a monthly fee, long ago. That lasted long enough to push me into Virginia's program, once it joined the E-ZPass consortium.
Quote from: vdeane on February 04, 2024, 03:29:08 PM
Michigan actually has tags. Three, in fact, none of which are interoperable with each other, let alone anything else (I'm pretty sure the Ambassador Bridge Premier Card is a card and not a sticker tag, but I can't actually verify this, so it might even be four!).
https://www.mackinacbridge.org/macpass/macpass/
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Programs/Bridges-and-Structures/Blue-Water-Bridge/RFID-Tag-Placement-Installation.pdf
https://nexpress.dwtunnel.com
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ambassador-premier-card/
One more from Michigan, in Bay City: https://baycitybridgepartners.com/
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 04, 2024, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 04, 2024, 03:29:08 PM
Michigan actually has tags. Three, in fact, none of which are interoperable with each other, let alone anything else (I'm pretty sure the Ambassador Bridge Premier Card is a card and not a sticker tag, but I can't actually verify this, so it might even be four!).
https://www.mackinacbridge.org/macpass/macpass/
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Programs/Bridges-and-Structures/Blue-Water-Bridge/RFID-Tag-Placement-Installation.pdf
https://nexpress.dwtunnel.com
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ambassador-premier-card/
One more from Michigan, in Bay City: https://baycitybridgepartners.com/
Didn't know that had opened yet.
On the subject of things not yet opened, I wonder if the Gordie Howe Bridge will introduce yet another transponder.
Michigan really should join E-ZPass and get everything interoperable with the rest of the system, but don't suggest that on the Midwest/Great Lakes board lest you get a large chunk of the forum users from the state to try to bully you off the site.
I am curious about future tolling programs that states are considering, more specifically Alabama (I-10 Bridge & Birmingham ETL) and Tennessee (Choice Lns). Is it possible they could become E-ZPass members given their proximity to other E-ZPass states?
On that note, I found this document relating to Alabama's toll equipment specifications
https://www.dot.state.al.us/business/pdf/TollingTPs.pdf
Quote from: vdeane on February 04, 2024, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on February 04, 2024, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 04, 2024, 03:29:08 PM
Michigan actually has tags. Three, in fact, none of which are interoperable with each other, let alone anything else (I'm pretty sure the Ambassador Bridge Premier Card is a card and not a sticker tag, but I can't actually verify this, so it might even be four!).
https://www.mackinacbridge.org/macpass/macpass/
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Programs/Bridges-and-Structures/Blue-Water-Bridge/RFID-Tag-Placement-Installation.pdf
https://nexpress.dwtunnel.com
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ambassador-premier-card/
One more from Michigan, in Bay City: https://baycitybridgepartners.com/
Didn't know that had opened yet.
On the subject of things not yet opened, I wonder if the Gordie Howe Bridge will introduce yet another transponder.
Michigan really should join E-ZPass and get everything interoperable with the rest of the system, but don't suggest that on the Midwest/Great Lakes board lest you get a large chunk of the forum users from the state to try to bully you off the site.
Understandable :sombrero:
Quote from: oscar on February 04, 2024, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: 6a on February 04, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Glad Maryland hasn't done so yet, though I have a feeling they'll get that idea somehow.
Maryland briefly introduced a monthly fee, long ago. That lasted long enough to push me into Virginia's program, once it joined the E-ZPass consortium.
Virginia briefly had one as well but repealed it. The only fee Virginia has now is that if you have an E-ZPass Flex and you don't use it in HOV mode on a eligible facility at least once every six months, you supposedly get hit with a one-time $10 fee for that transponder (this because the Flex devices cost them more). I say "supposedly" because my gut tells me I've probably gone more than six months at some point, but I don't think I've ever been hit with the fee.
("Eligible facility" meaning that at most toll facilities, it makes no difference whether the device is in HOV mode, so those don't count for this purpose.)
I think it should be clarified that Georgia became interoperable with select E-ZPass states earlier in 2023 (probably the ones that were able to accept sticker tags), the recent interoperability added any remaining E-ZPass state and now they all should be accepting the sticker tags.
Quote from: 6a on February 04, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Most if not all states don't require being a resident. Because in places where ETC is used to ease congestion at toll plazas, having a transponder available to out of state is beneficial.
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on February 04, 2024, 05:05:49 PM
I am curious about future tolling programs that states are considering, more specifically Alabama (I-10 Bridge & Birmingham ETL) and Tennessee (Choice Lns). Is it possible they could become E-ZPass members given their proximity to other E-ZPass states?
They will probably do what Georgia/NC did, start off with their own transponder that's technically compatible with E-ZPass, and then implement E-ZPass interoperability when customers demand it
Quote from: ran4sh on February 04, 2024, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: 6a on February 04, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Most if not all states don't require being a resident. Because in places where ETC is used to ease congestion at toll plazas, having a transponder available to out of state is beneficial.
A lot of southern/southeastern Wisconsinites (no toll facilities in the state) have EZ Pass transponders from the ISTHA "(Illinois).
Mike
Lookin at the spreadsheet... Is NJ actually in such a good relations with TX, unlike other EZpass states?
Quote from: ran4sh on February 04, 2024, 09:13:15 PM
They will probably do what Georgia/NC did, start off with their own transponder that's technically compatible with E-ZPass, and then implement E-ZPass interoperability when customers demand it
Note that Alabama's private toll bridge operator (Tuscaloosa West bypass, Foley Beach Express, and Alabama River Parkway crossing near Montgomery) already has its own "Freedom Pass" toll sticker, which I think would probably be integrated into the state's ALGO Pass at some point.
Also, the PDF table seems to omit E-ZPass being compatible with Georgia facilities.
Last night I discovered that Canada isn't quite the interoperability no-go zone that I thought. I turns out that the four maritime toll facilities (MacKay Bridge, Macdonald Bridge, Confederation Bridge, and Cobequid Pass) are quasi-interoperable with each other. I say quasi because it isn't seamless like such things are in the US; while the same transponder can be used on all four, users must maintain separate accounts with each and keep them all up to date, as they don't communicate with each other at all; all they do is associate the account with whichever transponder you actually have.
Also, South Carolina should be added as an island, as PalmettoPass is still a thing.
Regarding Illinois' use of stickers, I was perusing eBay to look for a windshield holder for my new West Virginia E-ZPass unit, since my old square one's battery had expired and it had to be replaced with one of the newer units. It appears that there are now some portable units that are capable of accepting the stickers, making them portable and transferable between vehicles.
I guess I need to look at that interoperability chart Scott whipped up to see if Oklahoma is now compatible with the E-ZPass network. If I go to Utah with my brother and there's bad weather in Kansas and Colorado, might be forced to take I-44 and I-40 westward.
Quote from: vdeane on February 04, 2024, 03:29:08 PM
Michigan actually has tags. Three, in fact, none of which are interoperable with each other, let alone anything else (I'm pretty sure the Ambassador Bridge Premier Card is a card and not a sticker tag, but I can't actually verify this, so it might even be four!).
https://www.mackinacbridge.org/macpass/macpass/
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Programs/Bridges-and-Structures/Blue-Water-Bridge/RFID-Tag-Placement-Installation.pdf
https://nexpress.dwtunnel.com
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ambassador-premier-card/
The Soo and BWB systems interoperate, and both interoperate with the Canadian FBCL ConneXion system.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2024, 01:18:15 PMI guess I need to look at that interoperability chart Scott whipped up to see if Oklahoma is now compatible with the E-ZPass network. If I go to Utah with my brother and there's bad weather in Kansas and Colorado, might be forced to take I-44 and I-40 westward.
As of now, the answer is No. Protocol compatibility aside, there is no back-office integration.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2024, 01:18:15 PM
Regarding Illinois' use of stickers, I was perusing eBay to look for a windshield holder for my new West Virginia E-ZPass unit, since my old square one's battery had expired and it had to be replaced with one of the newer units. It appears that there are now some portable units that are capable of accepting the stickers, making them portable and transferable between vehicles.
I guess I need to look at that interoperability chart Scott whipped up to see if Oklahoma is now compatible with the E-ZPass network. If I go to Utah with my brother and there's bad weather in Kansas and Colorado, might be forced to take I-44 and I-40 westward.
As far as I understand, sticker needs to be attached to glass to work. But probably a cut of window glass would work just fine...
Quote from: kalvado on February 05, 2024, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2024, 01:18:15 PM
Regarding Illinois' use of stickers, I was perusing eBay to look for a windshield holder for my new West Virginia E-ZPass unit, since my old square one's battery had expired and it had to be replaced with one of the newer units. It appears that there are now some portable units that are capable of accepting the stickers, making them portable and transferable between vehicles.
I guess I need to look at that interoperability chart Scott whipped up to see if Oklahoma is now compatible with the E-ZPass network. If I go to Utah with my brother and there's bad weather in Kansas and Colorado, might be forced to take I-44 and I-40 westward.
As far as I understand, sticker needs to be attached to glass to work. But probably a cut of window glass would work just fine...
I had a little square of the backing cut out for my FL toll sticker so I could attach the sticker to my windshield, but still be able to pull it off. Never had a problem.
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AMOnly TxTag and TollTag (NTTA) work with roads that accept SunPass as the primary tag. Also for Florida, Kansas and Oklahoma don't work roads outside SunPass primary.
Per https://www.ntta.org/plan-your-trip, the problem area with NTTA tags is the Orlando area which is "coming soon". Also, Georgia and North Carolina can be thrown into the "coming soon" category. No timeline provided.
With the Kansas Turnpike, I have found that read problems that occur only intermittently with the tag stuck to the windshield happen almost every time it is left on the backing, even when it is held against the windshield glass. Moreover, the tag is designed so that part of the circuitry is broken, rendering the transponder inoperable, when it is unpeeled from the windshield.
When I got my K-Tag, I ordered three stickers so that each vehicle in the family fleet would have one on hand. I ended up installing just one, since the other two never go onto the Turnpike. About a year or two later, KTA started requiring each K-Tag to be associated with a license plate to enable toll violation processing. I never did this for the two K-Tags that still sit in a folder in my filing cabinet, and about once a month I get an email nastygram from KTA telling me to register their license plates or send them back. I eventually had to make an email filter just for them.
These experiences lead me to believe that jury-rigging a sticker transponder to allow it to be moved from vehicle to vehicle (as opposed to paying extra for a transponder designed for use with multiple vehicles) is a recipe for trouble, at least with some toll operators.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 04, 2024, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: oscar on February 04, 2024, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on February 04, 2024, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: 6a on February 04, 2024, 01:15:28 PM
As a side note, some states (including mine) charge monthly fees for an E-Zpass. Massachusetts neither charges a fee nor requires you to be a resident.
Glad Maryland hasn't done so yet, though I have a feeling they'll get that idea somehow.
Maryland briefly introduced a monthly fee, long ago. That lasted long enough to push me into Virginia's program, once it joined the E-ZPass consortium.
Virginia briefly had one as well but repealed it. The only fee Virginia has now is that if you have an E-ZPass Flex and you don't use it in HOV mode on a eligible facility at least once every six months, you supposedly get hit with a one-time $10 fee for that transponder (this because the Flex devices cost them more). I say "supposedly" because my gut tells me I've probably gone more than six months at some point, but I don't think I've ever been hit with the fee.
("Eligible facility" meaning that at most toll facilities, it makes no difference whether the device is in HOV mode, so those don't count for this purpose.)
They increased the period to 12 months if I'm remembering correctly.
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
Austin agencies
Austin agencies plural?? What the hell are they doing down there? It seems like it's so easy to start a toll agency in Texas that I might need to call and check to make sure I didn't accidentally start one the last time I was there!
I was in the Dallas area a couple of months ago and again last week, and while there drove some of the NTTA toll roads (DNT, PGBT, and SRT). I expected to get an invoice for the tolls in the mail in a few months since I do not have an NTTA toll tag. This weekend I got an email that my Florida SunPass account had been billed for replenishment, which I thought was strange since I had not been in Florida since October and my SunPass Portable transponder (purchased around 2014) was in my house in Louisiana. I logged on to my SunPass account to check the activity and saw that the toll charges leading to the replenishment were from the NTTA toll roads that I had traveled -- without my SunPass transponder. They picked up my Louisiana license plate and credited the tolls to my SunPass account -- at the discounted NTTA tag rate.
Nice. Wasn't expecting that.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2024, 01:18:15 PM
Regarding Illinois' use of stickers, I was perusing eBay to look for a windshield holder for my new West Virginia E-ZPass unit, since my old square one's battery had expired and it had to be replaced with one of the newer units. It appears that there are now some portable units that are capable of accepting the stickers, making them portable and transferable between vehicles.
I guess I need to look at that interoperability chart Scott whipped up to see if Oklahoma is now compatible with the E-ZPass network. If I go to Utah with my brother and there's bad weather in Kansas and Colorado, might be forced to take I-44 and I-40 westward.
Your best bet's Florida, but they do not have compatibility with Houston or most of Austin
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2024, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
Austin agencies
Austin agencies plural?? What the hell are they doing down there? It seems like it's so easy to start a toll agency in Texas that I might need to call and check to make sure I didn't accidentally start one the last time I was there!
Did I studder? Try a SunPass, you'll notice ;)
Quote from: kalvado on February 05, 2024, 10:39:38 AM
Lookin at the spreadsheet... Is NJ actually in such a good relations with TX, unlike other EZpass states?
Look again...
Quote from: vdeane on February 05, 2024, 12:45:33 PM
Last night I discovered that Canada isn't quite the interoperability no-go zone that I thought. I turns out that the four maritime toll facilities (MacKay Bridge, Macdonald Bridge, Confederation Bridge, and Cobequid Pass) are quasi-interoperable with each other. I say quasi because it isn't seamless like such things are in the US; while the same transponder can be used on all four, users must maintain separate accounts with each and keep them all up to date, as they don't communicate with each other at all; all they do is associate the account with whichever transponder you actually have.
Also, South Carolina should be added as an island, as PalmettoPass is still a thing.
It is.
Side note, Updated for GA as fully interoperable with E-ZPass, Updated M-, Added AL (same as M-)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2024, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
Austin agencies
Austin agencies plural?? What the hell are they doing down there? It seems like it's so easy to start a toll agency in Texas that I might need to call and check to make sure I didn't accidentally start one the last time I was there!
There are three Toll Tag agencies:
- NTTA (DFW)
- EZ Tag (Harris County/Houston)
- TXTag (Everywhere else)
NTTA, TXTag, and regular EZ Tag work on the roads in Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. EZ Tag Express is limited to the Houston Roads, and is limited to the non-tag toll rate.
Quote from: ZLoth on February 06, 2024, 07:13:21 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2024, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
Austin agencies
Austin agencies plural?? What the hell are they doing down there? It seems like it's so easy to start a toll agency in Texas that I might need to call and check to make sure I didn't accidentally start one the last time I was there!
There are three Toll Tag agencies:
- NTTA (DFW)
- EZ Tag (Harris County/Houston)
- TXTag (Everywhere else)
NTTA, TXTag, and regular EZ Tag work on the roads in Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. EZ Tag Express is limited to the Houston Roads, and is limited to the non-tag toll rate.
Wrong
There are several agencies sharing TxTag (a tag) and EZ Tag (a tag) in Austin and Houston. https://senate.texas.gov/cmtes/81/c640/1013-JohnBarton-c2-2.pdf <-- this PDF lists them.
also this AARoads forum thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24141.0) bitching about them.
Quote from: ZLoth on February 06, 2024, 07:13:21 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 05, 2024, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
Austin agencies
Austin agencies plural?? What the hell are they doing down there? It seems like it's so easy to start a toll agency in Texas that I might need to call and check to make sure I didn't accidentally start one the last time I was there!
There are three Toll Tag agencies:
- NTTA (DFW)
- EZ Tag (Harris County/Houston)
- TXTag (Everywhere else)
NTTA, TXTag, and regular EZ Tag work on the roads in Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. EZ Tag Express is limited to the Houston Roads, and is limited to the non-tag toll rate.
Interesting, I got EZ Tag express to work on SH 130 toll (in addition to IH 10 Katy & SH 99 toll) during a trip to Kileen last December. It was expensive as heck given the non-tag rates, but it was worth going 89mph with minimal consequences :spin:
From www.hctra.org/EZTAGExpress:
Quote
-No EZ TAG is needed with this account!
- Account access at your fingertips 24/7 via the app
- Works on all toll roads in Texas
- You pay the cash/non-tag toll rate
- No monthly statements - transactions and balance can be viewed in the app
- Open an account using a credit card
Used SunPass in Dallas/Ft. Worth area, set my vehicle to "expire" before driving there. Haven't looked at that toll statement.
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 06, 2024, 08:17:48 PMThere are several agencies sharing TxTag (a tag) and EZ Tag (a tag) in Austin and Houston. https://senate.texas.gov/cmtes/81/c640/1013-JohnBarton-c2-2.pdf <-- this PDF lists them.
I stand corrected. I should have stated that there are three main tolling tags in Texas which, in most cases, is TxTAG, NTTA, or EZ Tag.
Quote from: ZLoth on February 07, 2024, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 06, 2024, 08:17:48 PMThere are several agencies sharing TxTag (a tag) and EZ Tag (a tag) in Austin and Houston. https://senate.texas.gov/cmtes/81/c640/1013-JohnBarton-c2-2.pdf <-- this PDF lists them.
I stand corrected. I should have stated that there are three main tolling tags in Texas which, in most cases, is TxTAG, NTTA, or EZ Tag.
more accurate, no worries.
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on February 07, 2024, 12:30:57 PM
Used SunPass in Dallas/Ft. Worth area, set my vehicle to "expire" before driving there. Haven't looked at that toll statement.
Just don't try that in Houston.
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 05, 2024, 06:37:26 PM
Side note, Updated for GA as fully interoperable with E-ZPass, Updated M-, Added AL (same as M-)
Did something change recently?
Last I checked what GA did was they set up is a system that will query plates from video tolls against the database of vehicles registered to E-Zpass accounts before sending a bill in the mail. But they can
not actually read E-Zpass tags.
I do not think this counts as interoperability and it's flagrant false advertising to claim it is. If you're in a rental car, or any car other than your own, it will not work.
Quote from: Duke87 on February 10, 2024, 02:32:42 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 05, 2024, 06:37:26 PM
Side note, Updated for GA as fully interoperable with E-ZPass, Updated M-, Added AL (same as M-)
Did something change recently?
Last I checked what GA did was they set up is a system that will query plates from video tolls against the database of vehicles registered to E-Zpass accounts before sending a bill in the mail. But they can not actually read E-Zpass tags.
I do not think this counts as interoperability and it's flagrant false advertising to claim it is. If you're in a rental car, or any car other than your own, it will not work.
source?
Quote from: Duke87 on February 10, 2024, 02:32:42 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 05, 2024, 06:37:26 PM
Side note, Updated for GA as fully interoperable with E-ZPass, Updated M-, Added AL (same as M-)
Did something change recently?
Last I checked what GA did was they set up is a system that will query plates from video tolls against the database of vehicles registered to E-Zpass accounts before sending a bill in the mail. But they can not actually read E-Zpass tags.
I do not think this counts as interoperability and it's flagrant false advertising to claim it is. If you're in a rental car, or any car other than your own, it will not work.
You probably "checked" a few years ago back when GA only had interoperability with FL & NC.
Quote from: Duke87 on February 10, 2024, 02:32:42 AM
Did something change recently?
Last I checked what GA did was they set up is a system that will query plates from video tolls against the database of vehicles registered to E-Zpass accounts before sending a bill in the mail. But they can not actually read E-Zpass tags.
I do not think this counts as interoperability and it's flagrant false advertising to claim it is. If you're in a rental car, or any car other than your own, it will not work.
It's certainly signed as being interoperable (https://maps.app.goo.gl/tmFq1UGicPeb676a7).
It was fully activated this year practically
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 04, 2024, 10:14:40 AM
I whipped up a quick PDF from a spreadsheet to summarize the toll tags in the USA and their interagency compatibility.
Summary:
2024 saw the following happen:
* Georgia's PeachPass and E-ZPass join forces (both tag works on the other tag's networks) With this, the original E-ZPass network and Florida (SunPass and Uni)/Georgia/North Carolina are essentially one in the same.
* Central Florida Uni tag works with E-ZPass.
* Illinois's I-PASS now issues stickers instead of cases (Focus of that at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2904001#msg2904001).
Texas's tags and Florida's SunPass still don't work in 100% of each state's agencies. Houston's agencies and some Austin agencies chose not to participate. Only TxTag and TollTag (NTTA) work with roads that accept SunPass as the primary tag. Also for Florida, Kansas and Oklahoma don't work roads outside SunPass primary.
I did not detail anything fee-wise here due to room on the sheet.
All states are listed here, those without toll facilities were greyed out.
CA, CO, LA, UT, WA are islands (no interoperability)
MI doesn't have tags, Cash "fare" only.
https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop.pdf (https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop.pdf)
What is the legal signage requirements for Partial cases and can that be used as an way to fight an FINE in court?
Say in an mixed case? on the same road?
what about say case where Kansas may start takeing EZ-pass but say only show the EZ-pass logo one one side but you then get to Oklahoma see the Kansas pass logo. Should Oklahoma be foreced to have an sign saying NO EZ-pass if they don't take it?
I don't think that it's going to fit you need to list 5-6+ differnt logos on one sign.
Also before in FL you had part of the same road that took EZ-pass but not others. And with FL you had the auto train that was an kind of an tunnel from the EZ-pass zone. What is the signage like in the auto train exits?
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 14, 2024, 03:17:49 PM
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Also before in FL you had part of the same road that took EZ-pass but not others. And with FL you had the auto train that was an kind of an tunnel from the EZ-pass zone. What is the signage like in the auto train exits?
What signage at the Auto Train exits? No offense, but what are you talking about? There's no toll at the Auto Train (though of course you pay a fare to Amtrak to ride), so there are no signs there about E-ZPass, SunPass, or any of the rest.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 14, 2024, 03:17:49 PM
what about say case where Kansas may start takeing EZ-pass but say only show the EZ-pass logo one one side but you then get to Oklahoma see the Kansas pass logo. Should Oklahoma be foreced to have an sign saying NO EZ-pass if they don't take it?
Oklahoma shouldn't be required to do anything based solely on what Kansas chooses to do.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 14, 2024, 03:20:14 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 14, 2024, 03:17:49 PM
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Also before in FL you had part of the same road that took EZ-pass but not others. And with FL you had the auto train that was an kind of an tunnel from the EZ-pass zone. What is the signage like in the auto train exits?
What signage at the Auto Train exits? No offense, but what are you talking about? There's no toll at the Auto Train (though of course you pay a fare to Amtrak to ride), so there are no signs there about E-ZPass, SunPass, or any of the rest.
talking about signage on the toll roads near the auto train exit points.
E-ZPass roads seemingly now work with sticker transponders. IL is now outright issuing I-Pass stickers and claiming they work on all E-ZPass roadways.
https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/want-to-get-a-new-i-pass-sticker-5-common-questions-and-answers-to-purchasing-and-using-them/
Best I can figure is that all the various E-ZPass agencies finally upgraded their equipment to multiprotocol readers.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 14, 2024, 03:17:49 PM
Also before in FL you had part of the same road that took EZ-pass but not others. And with FL you had the auto train that was an kind of an tunnel from the EZ-pass zone. What is the signage like in the auto train exits?
There are signs next to the toll plazas stating what tags they accept.
NC Quick Pass confirming that all E-ZPass states now accept sticker transponders: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-02-15-ncquickpass-accepted-ezpass.aspx
That must be news to y'all legacy E-ZPass users... Georgia/Peach Pass users have known that for about a month now (well, it wasn't stated that way, but it's the logical conclusion from the fact that Peach Pass only issues stickers and Peach Pass is accepted in all E-ZPass states)
Of course, for now that puts NC in a position where they offer a free (sticker) and a $7 (case) device that now both do the same thing. https://www.ncquickpass.com/transponder-options/
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 14, 2024, 03:17:49 PM
what about say case where Kansas may start takeing EZ-pass but say only show the EZ-pass logo one one side but you then get to Oklahoma see the Kansas pass logo. Should Oklahoma be foreced to have an sign saying NO EZ-pass if they don't take it?
No. Do they also need a sign for every other transponder they don't take? How about Sunpass or Epass?
This is no different than state laws. There is only signage required based on the individual state's laws. States can't run around updated their signage because other states have different laws, which can change on occasion.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 15, 2024, 06:35:25 PM
NC Quick Pass confirming that all E-ZPass states now accept sticker transponders: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-02-15-ncquickpass-accepted-ezpass.aspx
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
NCTA is very much a part of the E-ZPass IAG these days. They are even the host agency for next generation equipment procurement! https://connect.ncdot.gov/business/Turnpike/Pages/EZPNextGen.aspx
The NC Quickpass hard cased transponders have the E-ZPass logo and appear to be the same casing/vendor as the tags issued by E-ZPass agencies.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 14, 2024, 03:17:49 PM
what about say case where Kansas may start takeing EZ-pass but say only show the EZ-pass logo one one side but you then get to Oklahoma see the Kansas pass logo. Should Oklahoma be foreced to have an sign saying NO EZ-pass if they don't take it?
No. Do they also need a sign for every other transponder they don't take? How about Sunpass or Epass?
This is no different than state laws. There is only signage required based on the individual state's laws. States can't run around updated their signage because other states have different laws, which can change on occasion.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on February 15, 2024, 06:35:25 PM
NC Quick Pass confirming that all E-ZPass states now accept sticker transponders: https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-02-15-ncquickpass-accepted-ezpass.aspx
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
There may be an assumption for license plate reader being a backup option.
But technically I assume universal sticker acceptance is pretty feasible - although alliance may still be doing some verifications; or some last remote location isn't equipped yet.
but IL issuing stickers as universal ez-pass seem to be in line with delayed announcement.
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
reliable source?
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 18, 2024, 05:01:43 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
reliable source?
That's what we were told when QuickPass first came into being, anyways. IIRC they were called an "affiliate" rather than a full member. Which makes sense, because they had stickers that weren't usable in other E-ZPass states and were interoperable with Florida while the rest of E-ZPass wasn't.
Quote from: vdeane on February 18, 2024, 07:27:12 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 18, 2024, 05:01:43 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
reliable source?
That's what we were told when QuickPass first came into being, anyways. IIRC they were called an "affiliate" rather than a full member. Which makes sense, because they had stickers that weren't usable in other E-ZPass states and were interoperable with Florida while the rest of E-ZPass wasn't.
link to reliable source?
Source: https://www.e-zpassiag.com/about-us/members
Quote from: vdeane on February 18, 2024, 07:27:12 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 18, 2024, 05:01:43 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
reliable source?
That's what we were told when QuickPass first came into being, anyways. IIRC they were called an "affiliate" rather than a full member. Which makes sense, because they had stickers that weren't usable in other E-ZPass states and were interoperable with Florida while the rest of E-ZPass wasn't.
When NC QP first joined E-ZPass, they've always been very clear to their customers that the sticker does not work as an E-ZPass, and the case NC QP design would be needed for NC's customers that want E-ZPass. I don't see how that makes them less than a full member, because the sticker customers back then were not E-ZPass customers at all, so why would E-ZPass be concerned about that.
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 18, 2024, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 18, 2024, 07:27:12 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 18, 2024, 05:01:43 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
reliable source?
That's what we were told when QuickPass first came into being, anyways. IIRC they were called an "affiliate" rather than a full member. Which makes sense, because they had stickers that weren't usable in other E-ZPass states and were interoperable with Florida while the rest of E-ZPass wasn't.
link to reliable source?
It's kinda hard to dig up stuff from 12 years ago. ;) That said, now that I have some time, I went ahead and did some digging. As I figured, searching the internet was mostly useless, since search engines focus on current events, not what was happening a decade ago (although I did manage to pull up a press release (https://www.e-zpassiag.com/images/News/E-ZPass_Interoperability_Press_release_March_13_2012_FINAL.pdf) referencing national affiliates as a distinct membership category). The forum, however, was a lot more informative, once I finally narrowed down the exact time period this was all going down (see the next three quotes).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 22, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on January 22, 2013, 02:18:16 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on January 21, 2013, 08:58:50 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on January 21, 2013, 07:17:49 PM
Looks like only the Hardcase and exterior QuickPass Transmitter can go outside of North Carolina into the tolled I-495 HOT Lanes in Virginia, and the I-95 NJ Turnpike in New Jersey or the I-78 toll bridge in Williams Township, PA, but the stickertag will only work in the Triangle Expressway link is https://www.myncquickpass.com/en/about/rates.shtml (https://www.myncquickpass.com/en/about/rates.shtml) or https://www.myncquickpass.com/en/faq/all.shtml (https://www.myncquickpass.com/en/faq/all.shtml)
That is correct. But I think that the folks in North Carolina have made it pretty clear that the sticker tags are only usable on in-state toll roads (and for now, that means the Tri-Ex only).
Maybe the NJ/PA/DE Turnpikes need an E-Z Pass transmitter that can read nc Quickpass sticker tags and this will allow sticker tags to roam the toll roads of NJ/NY/PA/MD, and DE that currently accept E-Z Pass or quickpass hardcase tags, but starting in mid 2013 this problem might be harder because NC Quickpass, and FL Sunpass use sticker tags which the E-Z Pass transponders can't read
As I understand it, an agreement to honor "other" transponders in the E-ZPass Group member states must apply to all member states (North Carolina is an affiliate member).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 16, 2012, 02:55:13 PM
More from TOLLROADSnews: OmniAir making bid to have its Certification Services subsidiary plan testing programs for E-ZPass interoperability effort (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6233)
QuoteThe EZPG executives were interested in hearing details of the OCS' testing for their first qualified toll technology, the 6C sticker tags, the 3M/Sirit system having completed certification in September.
QuoteThe E-ZPass Group is looking at different options for managing testing as part of their effort to establish how to handle tags from the various state toll blocs in Texas, Florida, California and other places with different electronic toll or RFID protocols.
QuoteAffiliate membership is now being offered by the EZPG for tollers with different electronic (transponder-reader) technology but who have proposals for interoperability. North Carolina Turnpike with 6B+ protocol and TransCore 6B+/E-ZPass dual protocol transponders plus multi-protocol readers is set to be the first affiliate member later this year.
QuoteThe TransCore equipment in use in North Carolina has been found to meet EZPG standards.
Link to archived article: https://web.archive.org/web/20130601060223/http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6233
Quote from: mtantillo on July 21, 2014, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2014, 05:28:13 PM
The hard-case QuickPass looks rather different from any E-ZPass I've ever seen. What's interesting is that apparently new Virginia E-ZPass transponders are a different shape from the square devices most of us have had for many years, but they still don't look like the QuickPass. Weird. Do you have any idea how the member agencies choose what sort of device to use? Obviously in Virginia the Flex device is one thing, but aside from that, it's interesting to discover the devices are different and I wonder why that is and whether there is any significance to it.
The old square E-ZPasses were the first generation IAG-spec tags from Mark IV. When E-ZPass was introduced, part of the deal was sole sourcing of the readers and tags from Mark IV, in order to guarantee interoperability. Some other agencies (IL, VA, MA, MD) went with equipment from the same source, not because they had to but because they wanted to be interoperable with E-ZPass in the future.
Then E-ZPass had a procurement out for 5+ years for "next generation" technology. In that time, Mark IV was bought by Kapsch and the IAG rebranded itself as "the E-ZPass Group". The new rectangular E-ZPasses are the next generation transponders from Kapsch, which were ultimately selected as part of the procurement. Eventually, all E-ZPasses will be the new style. Some agencies bought new tags right away, others had to exhaust their supply of old tags first. But the new tags cost about half as much to manufacture, so agencies like them, especially ones that give them away for free. Eventually, as batteries wear out, the old tags will be replaced with new ones.
E-ZPass Flex was obviously a special design from Kapsch to solve a specific need in Virginia, and Maryland bought onto the concept to help its residents who use the 495 Express Lanes in Virginia.
North Carolina is not a full E-ZPass Group member, they are an affiliate member. Therefore they are not bound by the sole source equipment procurement. So they are using their own equipment that was tested in the lab to ensure it can properly interface with E-ZPass. I believe they are using TransCore readers and tags (the 6B+ protocol that is the primary protocol in NC is proprietary TransCore). So that is why there is a different design. It has more functionality than an E-ZPass because it communicates on two protocols: 6B+ for NC and FL, and IAG for the other E-ZPass states.
It is interesting to note that in Northern Virginia, TransCore is the contractor in charge of the Dulles Toll Road's toll collection system. Despite that they have their own readers and tags and even their own proprietary protocol under their own patents, they had to purchase readers and tags from Kapsch. Even now that E-ZPass IAG protocols are open source and TransCore makes E-ZPass readers (for travel time computation purposes in NYC), the full members have to get readers from the Kapsch procurement for toll collection purposes.
Quote from: ran4sh on February 18, 2024, 07:16:46 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 18, 2024, 07:27:12 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 18, 2024, 05:01:43 AM
Quote from: vdeane on February 16, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 15, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
This is unusual because usually only the overseeing agency, such as the EZ Pass Consortium, will announce such acceptance. The press release says "Because of this technology change...", but they don't say what the technology change is (the stickers, I guess?).
Maybe it's true that the stickers confirm to EZ Pass's minimum standards for the readable technology required for EZ Pass, but it seems a bit presumptuous for NC to inform everyone that every agency's EZ Pass readers will read the stickers.
NC QuickPass isn't actually an E-ZPass member. They're an independent transponder that's interoperable with E-ZPass, just like SunPass is (and PeachPass and RiverLink). Illinois is the only member state that I'm aware of currently using stickers.
reliable source?
That's what we were told when QuickPass first came into being, anyways. IIRC they were called an "affiliate" rather than a full member. Which makes sense, because they had stickers that weren't usable in other E-ZPass states and were interoperable with Florida while the rest of E-ZPass wasn't.
When NC QP first joined E-ZPass, they've always been very clear to their customers that the sticker does not work as an E-ZPass, and the case NC QP design would be needed for NC's customers that want E-ZPass. I don't see how that makes them less than a full member, because the sticker customers back then were not E-ZPass customers at all, so why would E-ZPass be concerned about that.
As someone from the northeast, the idea that some transponders would work everywhere and others wouldn't despite being issued by the same agency is really weird. Especially since transponder discrimination was less prevalent back then; there was a time when, from a driver POV, an E-ZPass was an E-ZPass was an E-ZPass. NC QuickPass not just being its own entity that was interoperable but was a whole separate system (not just a different brand like I-Pass, i-Zoom, of Fast Lane, the latter two since abandoned) that worked in states that a "regular" E-ZPass did not and had sticker tags that didn't work in E-ZPass states was uncharted territory. Prior to NC joining, E-ZPass was essentially a system where many states all had the exact same transponder but with decentralized administration. These days, with NC, GA, FL, KY, and MN having since become interoperable, rampant transponder discrimination, and patchwork systems of interoperability across the nation that work by having transponder systems communicate with each other rather than seemingly merge from a driver POV, it's a lot messier than it was at the time.
Something that also changed since 2012-13 is the federal push for interoperability. I seem to recall the E-ZPass IAG being pretty strict about who was a member and what equipment they tested and deployed. I'm sure there was some arm twisting to loosen requirements. Quite a bit of work was done to allow the backend systems of various agencies to communicate, plus multi-protocol reader equipment has matured on the marketplace.
One thing that came out of this is a somewhat standard system of transponder serial numbers. Every agency regardless of tag type now has a 4-digit prefix assigned to their tags to determine who issued the tag.
https://www.ibtta.org/sites/default/files/documents/Interoperability/NIOP2019/NIOP%20ICD%20Appendix%20C%20-%20RELEASED%2020210218.pdf
Colorado will be joining the Central US Interoperability Hub (KS, OK, TX) on June 2nd!
https://www.e-470.com/how-tolling-works/faqs/
https://www.centralustolling.com/
*Harris County (HCTRA) will accept Colorado's transponder at a later date
*Northwest Parkway will join the hub at a later date
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 29, 2024, 10:21:42 PMColorado will be joining the Central US Interoperability Hub (KS, OK, TX) on June 2nd!
https://www.e-470.com/how-tolling-works/faqs/
https://www.centralustolling.com/
*Harris County (HCTRA) will accept Colorado's transponder at a later date
*Northwest Parkway will join the hub at a later date
will people hit by the spit accepting get big fines? or will fines be waved?
will people get confused that I got an bill in the mail for some of my tolls but others hit my account?
https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_2040602.pdf
OP UPDATED (**spit-take**)
This is a living topic, pinning.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 29, 2024, 10:21:42 PMColorado will be joining the Central US Interoperability Hub (KS, OK, TX) on June 2nd!
https://www.e-470.com/how-tolling-works/faqs/
https://www.centralustolling.com/
*Harris County (HCTRA) will accept Colorado's transponder at a later date
*Northwest Parkway will join the hub at a later date
Do y'all know if FL's SunPass is joining this deal? And if not, do y'all know if they are planning on doing so in the future? Florida is listed as a member in on the hub webpage, but SunPass STILL isn't accepted universally across Texas.
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 04, 2024, 07:02:39 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 29, 2024, 10:21:42 PMColorado will be joining the Central US Interoperability Hub (KS, OK, TX) on June 2nd!
https://www.e-470.com/how-tolling-works/faqs/
https://www.centralustolling.com/
*Harris County (HCTRA) will accept Colorado's transponder at a later date
*Northwest Parkway will join the hub at a later date
Do y'all know if FL's SunPass is joining this deal? And if not, do y'all know if they are planning on doing so in the future? Florida is listed as a member in on the hub webpage, but SunPass STILL isn't accepted universally across Texas.
I have not, sadly...
Still waiting for the day for this Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas-and now Colorado interoperability network to join forces with E-ZPass... that would finally make virtually all of the country east of the Rockies interoperable (exception being local and small toll road / bridges in SC, AL, and a couple other states maybe?)
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 04, 2024, 09:06:20 PMStill waiting for the day for this Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas-and now Colorado interoperability network to join forces with E-ZPass... that would finally make virtually all of the country east of the Rockies interoperable (exception being local and small toll road / bridges in SC, AL, and a couple other states maybe?)
EZ-Tag users waiting to become E-ZPass users: :poke:
Isn't NationalPass supposed to solve all this?
https://nationalpass.com/home/
Quote from: Dustin DeWinn on June 08, 2024, 06:08:05 PMIsn't NationalPass supposed to solve all this?
https://nationalpass.com/home/
Yes and no. NationalPass is a company that basically has contracts with a bunch of different toll providers and charges you $12.50 a month (plus a bunch of other fees) to give you one transponder that takes the place of sticking several transponders on your windshield. The goal of true interoperability is to let you use any one transponder everywhere without paying more than you'd pay now.
Quote from: Dustin DeWinn on June 08, 2024, 06:08:05 PMIsn't NationalPass supposed to solve all this?
https://nationalpass.com/home/
I own an E-ZPass and a TxTag, which gives me coverage virtually anywhere I would need to drive, and doesn't cost me $12.50 a month to a third party company. I'm good...
Quote from: lordsutch on June 08, 2024, 06:39:29 PMQuote from: Dustin DeWinn on June 08, 2024, 06:08:05 PMIsn't NationalPass supposed to solve all this?
https://nationalpass.com/home/
Yes and no. NationalPass is a company that basically has contracts with a bunch of different toll providers and charges you $12.50 a month (plus a bunch of other fees) to give you one transponder that takes the place of sticking several transponders on your windshield. The goal of true interoperability is to let you use any one transponder everywhere without paying more than you'd pay now.
The number of people that need to have 2 transponders on their windshield are those that regularly travel via vehicle between the east coast and central US, the west coast and central US, and those that continuously cross the country. Which would be extremely few car travelers. There's probably more people that have multiple EZ Passes to take advantage of various discounts.
The group of travelers that would benefit the most - truckers - already have a tag that allows them to pay tolls nationally and bypass weigh stations: https://prepass.com/
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 04, 2024, 07:02:39 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on May 29, 2024, 10:21:42 PMColorado will be joining the Central US Interoperability Hub (KS, OK, TX) on June 2nd!
https://www.e-470.com/how-tolling-works/faqs/
https://www.centralustolling.com/
*Harris County (HCTRA) will accept Colorado's transponder at a later date
*Northwest Parkway will join the hub at a later date
Do y'all know if FL's SunPass is joining this deal? And if not, do y'all know if they are planning on doing so in the future? Florida is listed as a member in on the hub webpage, but SunPass STILL isn't accepted universally across Texas.
Nope.
SunPass's agreement is on a different channel from ExpressToll's. It's interesting that HCTRA's working with E-470 to begin with while telling FDOT who's number 1.
PrePass isn't for paying tolls, it's just for weigh stations. My truck company used E-ZPass for tolls (in addition to one of the weigh station bypass transponders)
Quote from: lordsutch on June 08, 2024, 06:39:29 PMQuote from: Dustin DeWinn on June 08, 2024, 06:08:05 PMIsn't NationalPass supposed to solve all this?
https://nationalpass.com/home/
Yes and no. NationalPass is a company that basically has contracts with a bunch of different toll providers and charges you $12.50 a month (plus a bunch of other fees) to give you one transponder that takes the place of sticking several transponders on your windshield. The goal of true interoperability is to let you use any one transponder everywhere without paying more than you'd pay now.
Is the "without paying more" part actually specified anywhere? I'm pretty sure it wasn't part of the 2016 federal government mandate.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 08, 2024, 11:11:54 PMQuote from: lordsutch on June 08, 2024, 06:39:29 PMQuote from: Dustin DeWinn on June 08, 2024, 06:08:05 PMIsn't NationalPass supposed to solve all this?
https://nationalpass.com/home/
Yes and no. NationalPass is a company that basically has contracts with a bunch of different toll providers and charges you $12.50 a month (plus a bunch of other fees) to give you one transponder that takes the place of sticking several transponders on your windshield. The goal of true interoperability is to let you use any one transponder everywhere without paying more than you'd pay now.
The number of people that need to have 2 transponders on their windshield are those that regularly travel via vehicle between the east coast and central US, the west coast and central US, and those that continuously cross the country. Which would be extremely few car travelers. There's probably more people that have multiple EZ Passes to take advantage of various discounts.
The group of travelers that would benefit the most - truckers - already have a tag that allows them to pay tolls nationally and bypass weigh stations: https://prepass.com/
There are probably more people with the Mexican IAVE+FasTrak or IAVE+TxTag transponders than there are with two US-based transponders.
Quote from: ran4sh on June 19, 2024, 07:17:50 PMPrePass isn't for paying tolls, it's just for weigh stations. My truck company used E-ZPass for tolls (in addition to one of the weigh station bypass transponders)
By clicking on the link provided, you would see PrePass has a tolling option.
@SSOWorld Where did you find that California, Washington, and Utah were studying interoperability?
Quote from: ran4sh on June 19, 2024, 07:17:50 PMPrePass isn't for paying tolls, it's just for weigh stations. My truck company used E-ZPass for tolls (in addition to one of the weigh station bypass transponders)
https://prepass.com/services/prepass-plus/#Map
UPDATE:
https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_20240831.pdf (https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_20240831.pdf) (OP Link updated)
I broke out Michigan's agency list due to Bay City Bridges now working with E-ZPass. Also emphasized that Fort Bend Parkway Toll Road Authority accepts ExpressToll (Colorado)
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 31, 2024, 12:07:36 PMUPDATE:
https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_20240831.pdf (https://ssoworld.org/pics/TollTagIntrop_20240831.pdf) (OP Link updated)
I broke out Michigan's agency list due to Bay City Bridges now working with E-ZPass. Also emphasized that Fort Bend Parkway Toll Road Authority accepts ExpressToll (Colorado)
Is there a source for the California, Utah, and Washington interoperability study? I couldn't find anything through a quick google search.
When i found it, they mentioned a study - I do not have the link anymore, but the below PDF from FHWA discuss Interoperability regions
https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop21023/fhwahop21023.pdf
on Page 18 of the document, the following was found...
egional hub interoperability is established by four major toll interoperability regions (or hubs)
in the United States coming together, as shown in figure 1:
• E-ZPass® region (northeast United States and the Midwest)
• Southeast region (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama)
• Central United States Interoperability (CUSIOP) region (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas,
Colorado, and Louisiana)
• Western region (California, Oregon, Washington, and Utah)
QuoteBoth the southeast and western regions are working with CUSIOP to connect their respective
hubs in 2021, while E-ZPass® will develop and connect its regional hub in 2023. As more
toll agencies decide to become nationally interoperable, they will connect to one of these
regional hubs as a member of an interoperability region.
Note that it says 2021. Keep in mind that while Florida and Georgia have crossed lines (FL with the Central group with CUSIOP and E-ZPass and GA with E-ZPass, according to the document, South Carolina is in both FTE and E-ZPass but none of the facilities in SC participate in either region's technology. Is it still possible that the CTA (Western) region will join CUSIOP or make their own network? yes. Nothing's official.
Thanks!
Laredo toll bridges till completely their own thing?
Quote from: Mdcastle on September 03, 2024, 01:58:21 PMLaredo toll bridges till completely their own thing?
Yep. They have their own tag and it's an orphan system. This is pretty much true for each crossing into Mexico on the Rio Grande.
What happened to the expansion of the Uni transponder (offered by the Central Florida Expressway Authority) into the CUSIOP?
The CFX had said some time ago that such expansion was soon to happen, but it has been crickets since. They have been evasive and non-committal on it when asked about it recently.
What might be up? Florida Turnpike Enterprises joined the CUSIOP with SunPass Pro.
Will the new Gordie Howe Bridge across the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor accept E-ZPass for tolls?
I'm concerned that the Canadians might go instead with a proprietary or Canada-run 6c system like Connexion instead. Connexion is used at the Port Huron and Sault Ste Marie bridges on I-96 and I-75.
Quote from: vdeane on February 04, 2024, 03:29:08 PMMichigan actually has tags. Three, in fact, none of which are interoperable with each other, let alone anything else (I'm pretty sure the Ambassador Bridge Premier Card is a card and not a sticker tag, but I can't actually verify this, so it might even be four!).
https://www.mackinacbridge.org/macpass/macpass/
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Programs/Bridges-and-Structures/Blue-Water-Bridge/RFID-Tag-Placement-Installation.pdf
https://nexpress.dwtunnel.com
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/ambassador-premier-card/
The iq Tag used at Sault Saint Marie bridge can be used at the Blue Water Bridge between Port Huron and Sarnia, although a seperate account has to set up a second account for the Blue Water Bridge. As those crossings are hundreds of miles apart from one another, I don't imagine many iq Tag users have made the dual registration.
https://www.saultbridge.com/faq/
Quote from: hwyfan on September 28, 2024, 02:56:27 PMThe iq Tag used at Sault Saint Marie bridge can be used at the Blue Water Bridge between Port Huron and Sarnia, although a seperate account has to set up a second account for the Blue Water Bridge. As those crossings are hundreds of miles apart from one another, I don't imagine many iq Tag users have made the dual registration.
There's a lot of through traffic between the two on a single trip and/or commercial users who frequently travel over each individually. For a good portion of SW Ontario it's a lot faster to cut through that way than to go around Georgian Bay.
The Executive Director of the OTA (Joe Echelle) said in a conference that they have plans to accept E-Z Pass with the central hub sometime next year... That would be a massive step in the interoperability agreement within the US!
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 02, 2024, 03:29:16 AMThe Executive Director of the OTA (Joe Echelle) said in a conference that they have plans to accept E-Z Pass with the central hub sometime next year... That would be a massive step in the interoperability agreement within the US!
Wow, it would be! I believe at that point the only non-interoperable all-electronic toll facilities would be on the west coast and Louisiana. Hopefully this increases the odds of the new toll bridges on I-10 in Louisiana and Alabama taking E-ZPass.
Quote from: vdeane on October 02, 2024, 12:39:46 PMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on October 02, 2024, 03:29:16 AMThe Executive Director of the OTA (Joe Echelle) said in a conference that they have plans to accept E-Z Pass with the central hub sometime next year... That would be a massive step in the interoperability agreement within the US
Wow, it would be! I believe at that point the only non-interoperable all-electronic toll facilities would be on the west coast and Louisiana. Hopefully this increases the odds of the new toll bridges on I-10 in Louisiana and Alabama taking E-ZPass.
I would fully expect, when this happens, the owners of the Ambassador Bridge will fall in lockstep and start accepting E-ZPass. That may well be an impetus for the Blue Water to do so as well.
EZ-Pass interoperability with PikePass would be great. I hope they're able to get it done soon.
Other interesting points in the video: Joe Echelle listed some significant things in the ACCESS Oklahoma program that will go either into the design phase or even construction phase in 2025. Widening the Turner Turnpike is the top priority followed by improvements to the Kilpatrick. The H.E. Bailey Turnpike may get 2 of its 4 proposed new exits built soon.
It's disappointing the East-West Connector Turnpike won't initially be built with frontage roads. But Echelle said that once the new turnpike is built it will likely only be a matter of time before Norman and Moore request the addition of frontage roads. That will be harder to do later rather than up front during original turnpike construction.
Quote from: hwyfan on September 25, 2024, 08:29:57 PMWill the new Gordie Howe Bridge across the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor accept E-ZPass for tolls?
I'm concerned that the Canadians might go instead with a proprietary or Canada-run 6c system like Connexion instead. Connexion is used at the Port Huron and Sault Ste Marie bridges on I-96 and I-75.
An article in the Windsor Star today suggests that the Gordie Howe International Bridge will have both dedicated ETC tolling lanes and accept E-ZPass.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/gordie-howe-bridge-to-offer-pre-paid-tolls-to-keep-vehicles-moving
Gordie Howe International Bridge users will be able to set up a payment account ahead of their trip, place an electronic tag on their vehicles, and cross through a toll booth in seconds. The funds will be automatically withdrawn from their account, said Heather Grondin, chief relations officer with the Windsor Detroit Bridge Authority.
[...]
"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Quote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PM....
"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
There's usually either a red light or a stop sign when you pull up to Customs, though.
Quote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PMQuote from: hwyfan on September 25, 2024, 08:29:57 PMWill the new Gordie Howe Bridge across the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor accept E-ZPass for tolls?
I'm concerned that the Canadians might go instead with a proprietary or Canada-run 6c system like Connexion instead. Connexion is used at the Port Huron and Sault Ste Marie bridges on I-96 and I-75.
An article in the Windsor Star today suggests that the Gordie Howe International Bridge will have both dedicated ETC tolling lanes and accept E-ZPass.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/gordie-howe-bridge-to-offer-pre-paid-tolls-to-keep-vehicles-moving
Gordie Howe International Bridge users will be able to set up a payment account ahead of their trip, place an electronic tag on their vehicles, and cross through a toll booth in seconds. The funds will be automatically withdrawn from their account, said Heather Grondin, chief relations officer with the Windsor Detroit Bridge Authority.
[...]
"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Uh oh, looks like the
tyrants have won. :spin:
Quote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PM"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Well, except for the one at the booth at the border crossing.
https://thetollroads.com/news/newsroom/press-releases/transportation-corridor-agencies-november-2024-board-meeting-highlights/
North Texas Tollway Authority Interoperability Agreement from TCA...
Quote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PMQuote from: hwyfan on September 25, 2024, 08:29:57 PMWill the new Gordie Howe Bridge across the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor accept E-ZPass for tolls?
I'm concerned that the Canadians might go instead with a proprietary or Canada-run 6c system like Connexion instead. Connexion is used at the Port Huron and Sault Ste Marie bridges on I-96 and I-75.
An article in the Windsor Star today suggests that the Gordie Howe International Bridge will have both dedicated ETC tolling lanes and accept E-ZPass.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/gordie-howe-bridge-to-offer-pre-paid-tolls-to-keep-vehicles-moving
Gordie Howe International Bridge users will be able to set up a payment account ahead of their trip, place an electronic tag on their vehicles, and cross through a toll booth in seconds. The funds will be automatically withdrawn from their account, said Heather Grondin, chief relations officer with the Windsor Detroit Bridge Authority.
[...]
"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Am I missing something? I didn't see a mention of E-ZPass specifically. It certainly would be nice though. Having a major US/Canada bridge take E-ZPass might be the critical mass needed to make more inroads into Michigan.
Since when does Montreal to Florida go through Michigan?
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 05, 2024, 08:06:23 PMhttps://thetollroads.com/news/newsroom/press-releases/transportation-corridor-agencies-november-2024-board-meeting-highlights/
North Texas Tollway Authority Interoperability Agreement from TCA...
Interesting that this is occurring. I would have placed my bets on either one becoming E-ZPass members before agreement-based interoperability.
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on December 05, 2024, 07:42:43 PMQuote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PM"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Well, except for the one at the booth at the border crossing.
Another reason to annex Canada :bigass: :bigass: /s
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on December 06, 2024, 11:44:12 AMInteresting that this is occurring. I would have placed my bets on either one becoming E-ZPass members before agreement-based interoperability.
I'm also not sure I've ever heard of one-way interoperability occurring. The closest was when E-ZPass was becoming interoperable with agencies that had sticker tags and E-ZPass agencies could only read the hard-case transponders.
Quote from: vdeane on December 05, 2024, 08:17:00 PMQuote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PMQuote from: hwyfan on September 25, 2024, 08:29:57 PMWill the new Gordie Howe Bridge across the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor accept E-ZPass for tolls?
I'm concerned that the Canadians might go instead with a proprietary or Canada-run 6c system like Connexion instead. Connexion is used at the Port Huron and Sault Ste Marie bridges on I-96 and I-75.
An article in the Windsor Star today suggests that the Gordie Howe International Bridge will have both dedicated ETC tolling lanes and accept E-ZPass.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/gordie-howe-bridge-to-offer-pre-paid-tolls-to-keep-vehicles-moving
Gordie Howe International Bridge users will be able to set up a payment account ahead of their trip, place an electronic tag on their vehicles, and cross through a toll booth in seconds. The funds will be automatically withdrawn from their account, said Heather Grondin, chief relations officer with the Windsor Detroit Bridge Authority.
[...]
"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Am I missing something? I didn't see a mention of E-ZPass specifically. It certainly would be nice though. Having a major US/Canada bridge take E-ZPass might be the critical mass needed to make more inroads into Michigan.
will they take ERT 407 pass?
But for ERT 407 to go ezpass may not happen as they will lose there high rent fees.
I find myself in the possible position of obtaining a PIKEPASS (OTA's capitalization) next year. :/
Interoperability Now!
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on December 06, 2024, 11:44:12 AMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 05, 2024, 08:06:23 PMhttps://thetollroads.com/news/newsroom/press-releases/transportation-corridor-agencies-november-2024-board-meeting-highlights/
North Texas Tollway Authority Interoperability Agreement from TCA...
Interesting that this is occurring. I would have placed my bets on either one becoming E-ZPass members before agreement-based interoperability.
With ISTHA transitioning to stickers, I sense that the TX/OK/KS method is becoming the norm. (NC and GA stickers are compatible with E-ZPass also)
Quote from: SSOWorld on December 11, 2024, 07:03:02 AMQuote from: ElishaGOtis on December 06, 2024, 11:44:12 AMQuote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 05, 2024, 08:06:23 PMhttps://thetollroads.com/news/newsroom/press-releases/transportation-corridor-agencies-november-2024-board-meeting-highlights/
North Texas Tollway Authority Interoperability Agreement from TCA...
Interesting that this is occurring. I would have placed my bets on either one becoming E-ZPass members before agreement-based interoperability.
With ISTHA transitioning to stickers, I sense that the TX/OK/KS method is becoming the norm. (NC and GA stickers are compatible with E-ZPass also)
It's pretty much a single standard for stickers by now, and EZpass agencies are upgrading to multistandard readers. From that point it's about legal side of things.
I wonder if some EZpass agencies are holding up the process. Looks like switch to ORT on NY Thruway, for example, was also about equipment upgrade.
Switchable transponders are necessary if you live in an area with HOT lanes, and you don't want to pay for the HOT lanes when carpooling.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 19, 2024, 02:31:12 AMSwitchable transponders are necessary if you live in an area with HOT lanes, and you don't want to pay for the HOT lanes when carpooling.
There are apparently some agencies that attempt to accomplish the same functionality with the sticker tags by allowing you to go into their app to switch it to HOV mode. It's a less user-friendly option than the switchable device because I believe you have to do it at least 15 minutes in advance, whereas with the switchable device you can do it on the spur of the moment (e.g., you decide to take a different route when the radio says there was a big wreck on the road you were going to use).
I'm being somewhat vague because I have not experienced the other system firsthand, just read about it online. Ms1995hoo and I have two E-ZPass Flex transponders on our account, so I'm quite familiar with the switchable variant.
Quote from: vdeane on December 05, 2024, 08:17:00 PMQuote from: hwyfan on December 05, 2024, 03:31:08 PMQuote from: hwyfan on September 25, 2024, 08:29:57 PMWill the new Gordie Howe Bridge across the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor accept E-ZPass for tolls?
I'm concerned that the Canadians might go instead with a proprietary or Canada-run 6c system like Connexion instead. Connexion is used at the Port Huron and Sault Ste Marie bridges on I-96 and I-75.
An article in the Windsor Star today suggests that the Gordie Howe International Bridge will have both dedicated ETC tolling lanes and accept E-ZPass.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/gordie-howe-bridge-to-offer-pre-paid-tolls-to-keep-vehicles-moving
Gordie Howe International Bridge users will be able to set up a payment account ahead of their trip, place an electronic tag on their vehicles, and cross through a toll booth in seconds. The funds will be automatically withdrawn from their account, said Heather Grondin, chief relations officer with the Windsor Detroit Bridge Authority.
[...]
"Once we open, vehicles will be able to travel from Montreal to Florida without ever having to stop at a traffic light."
Am I missing something? I didn't see a mention of E-ZPass specifically. It certainly would be nice though. Having a major US/Canada bridge take E-ZPass might be the critical mass needed to make more inroads into Michigan.
I may have jumped to conclusions here as communications with the WDBA have been evasive as to what their ETC system plans are.
https://www.ambassadorbridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Posting-for-January-1-2025-Toll-Increase.pdf
E-Z Pass is coming to the Ambassador Bridge in early 2025...
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2024, 06:38:29 PMhttps://www.ambassadorbridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Posting-for-January-1-2025-Toll-Increase.pdf
E-Z Pass is coming to the Ambassador Bridge in early 2025...
*hums "Desperado"*
Amazing what a little competition causes.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 22, 2024, 06:38:29 PMhttps://www.ambassadorbridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Posting-for-January-1-2025-Toll-Increase.pdf
E-Z Pass is coming to the Ambassador Bridge in early 2025...
Interesting. Maybe there's something to the Gordie Howe having it after all?
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 19, 2024, 02:31:12 AMSwitchable transponders are necessary if you live in an area with HOT lanes, and you don't want to pay for the HOT lanes when carpooling.
Georgia and North Carolina prove this to be false.
Quote from: Rothman on December 08, 2024, 10:16:11 PMI find myself in the possible position of obtaining a PIKEPASS (OTA's capitalization) next year. :/
Interoperability Now!
Currently SunPass (FL) is interoperable with both E-ZPass and PikePass
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 19, 2024, 07:44:42 AMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 19, 2024, 02:31:12 AMSwitchable transponders are necessary if you live in an area with HOT lanes, and you don't want to pay for the HOT lanes when carpooling.
There are apparently some agencies that attempt to accomplish the same functionality with the sticker tags by allowing you to go into their app to switch it to HOV mode. It's a less user-friendly option than the switchable device because I believe you have to do it at least 15 minutes in advance, whereas with the switchable device you can do it on the spur of the moment (e.g., you decide to take a different route when the radio says there was a big wreck on the road you were going to use).
I'm being somewhat vague because I have not experienced the other system firsthand, just read about it online. Ms1995hoo and I have two E-ZPass Flex transponders on our account, so I'm quite familiar with the switchable variant.
Yeah this is mostly correct, in Georgia the HOV toll exemption is implemented this way.
In the case of not knowing whether you will use the express lanes or not, the key is to set your mode based on # of passengers in your vehicle regardless of your planned route, so that whether you use the lanes or not you are in the correct mode. I.e. I have 3 people in my car today and I might or might not use the express lane, but I'll set it to HOV anyway just in case. (And if it's not a regular occurrence then I'll set the expiration to be in like 1 hour or 1 day, so that next time when I don't qualify for HOV I'm not accidentally in the wrong mode)
Fun story from tonight with a few interesting observations. Driving home in my parents' van from NC we were taking the WV Turnpike. I got to the Ghent plaza with my $4.25 in hand to give the attendant. I stick my hand out the window and the attendant tells me "it read your pass," which made me confused. Then I remembered:
Back in 2017 we went to Orlando and got a SunPass mini for our van while we were in Florida. At the time, SunPass was only compatible in FL, NC, and GA. My dad either lost or deleted his account info sometime in years past, but never deactivated his account. Never thought much of it, as we still received pay by plate on the Ohio River bridges in Louisville up until last year. Again, not a red flag because RiverLink is notorious for late invoices.
So now we had the problem of a transponder that was reading in WV to an account nobody knew the info to. Thankfully I was able to help my parents regain their account info (I have I-Pass, so I'm used to toll authority customer service, although the SunPass website and app are a pain in the butt compared to Illinois Tollway). I knew SunPass was interoperable with the E-ZPass states but didn't remember we had it, and thankfully SunPass has only been compatible for a couple years so our balance hadn't fully depleted.
Here's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Quote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
Quote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
Today it worked at Chelyan but not Pax, WV may be behind on tech, idk.
Quote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
One interesting question.. E-ZPass discrimination was legal with "because you can have many and swap them" court decision.
Stickers cannot be removed and reapplied....
Quote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 04:13:05 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
Today it worked at Chelyan but not Pax, WV may be behind on tech, idk.
Maybe it's that the sticker isn't effectively "guaranteed" to work everywhere E-ZPass is accepted, but the PRO is effectively "guaranteed" to work?
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on December 28, 2024, 07:04:05 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 04:13:05 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
Today it worked at Chelyan but not Pax, WV may be behind on tech, idk.
Maybe it's that the sticker isn't effectively "guaranteed" to work everywhere E-ZPass is accepted, but the PRO is effectively "guaranteed" to work?
It seems that the states where the map says the mini works are all states that issue sticker tags. Since RiverLink issues stickers, the Louisville bridges have been fine. It's the toll roads that don't issue stickers that likely have harder times reading stickers that the issue lies.
Quote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 08:58:57 PMQuote from: ElishaGOtis on December 28, 2024, 07:04:05 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 04:13:05 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
Today it worked at Chelyan but not Pax, WV may be behind on tech, idk.
Maybe it's that the sticker isn't effectively "guaranteed" to work everywhere E-ZPass is accepted, but the PRO is effectively "guaranteed" to work?
It seems that the states where the map says the mini works are all states that issue sticker tags. Since RiverLink issues stickers, the Louisville bridges have been fine. It's the toll roads that don't issue stickers that likely have harder times reading stickers that the issue lies.
I think it's just that SunPass has failed to update the map of where sticker SunPass is accepted. Peach Pass (Georgia) updated their map in two stages when becoming interoperable with E-ZPass - they originally specified just the states that are known to accept stickers, but now they specify all E-ZPass states, implying that E-ZPass everywhere can now accept stickers.
Quote from: ran4sh on December 28, 2024, 09:04:43 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 08:58:57 PMQuote from: ElishaGOtis on December 28, 2024, 07:04:05 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 04:13:05 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
Today it worked at Chelyan but not Pax, WV may be behind on tech, idk.
Maybe it's that the sticker isn't effectively "guaranteed" to work everywhere E-ZPass is accepted, but the PRO is effectively "guaranteed" to work?
It seems that the states where the map says the mini works are all states that issue sticker tags. Since RiverLink issues stickers, the Louisville bridges have been fine. It's the toll roads that don't issue stickers that likely have harder times reading stickers that the issue lies.
I think it's just that SunPass has failed to update the map of where sticker SunPass is accepted. Peach Pass (Georgia) updated their map in two stages when becoming interoperable with E-ZPass - they originally specified just the states that are known to accept stickers, but now they specify all E-ZPass states, implying that E-ZPass everywhere can now accept stickers.
Can be license plate lookup as a fallback option.
Quote from: I-55 on December 28, 2024, 08:58:57 PMIt seems that the states where the map says the mini works are all states that issue sticker tags.
Minus Illinois...
As you probably know, TxDOT recently sunsetted the TxTag brand of transponders and transferred operations of the associated TxTag accounts to HCTRA.
Does this move now affect the ability of SunPass Pro to work at facilities in Texas (such as in the Austin area) that were previously TxTag (and not NTTA Tolltag, nor HCTRA E-ZTag) only?
HCTRA has not yet made arrangements for interoperability between Houston area E-ZTag facilities and Florida SunPass.
Quote from: hwyfan on January 29, 2025, 01:43:41 PMAs you probably know, TxDOT recently sunsetted the TxTag brand of transponders and transferred operations of the associated TxTag accounts to HCTRA.
Does this move now affect the ability of SunPass Pro to work at facilities in Texas (such as in the Austin area) that were previously TxTag (and not NTTA Tolltag, nor HCTRA E-ZTag) only?
HCTRA has not yet made arrangements for interoperability between Houston area E-ZTag facilities and Florida SunPass.
Speaking of which... SunPass is now accepted in HCTRA tolling system (https://www.hctra.org/Harris_County_Toll_Road_Authority_Expands_Connectivity)
"Texas and Florida toll road customers will be able to travel seamlessly in the two states beginning March 2, 2025.
HCTRA is proud to partner with four major tolling agencies in Florida so that EZ TAGS can be used there, and SunPass transponders will work here.
The tolling agencies are the Florida Turnpike Enterprise (FTE), LeeWay (LCF), Greater Miami Expressway Agency (GMX), and the Tampa Hillsborough Expressway Authority (THEA).
HCTRA has had similar partnerships in place for years making travel easier between Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas."
And... ExpressToll is also accepted on the HCTRA tolling system (https://www.hctra.org/HCTRA_Connectivity_Reaches_Colorado)
"Texas drivers will be able to use their EZ TAGs in Colorado beginning March 30, 2025.
HCTRA is partnering with E-470, the 47-mile all-electronic tollway on the eastern perimeter of Denver's metropolitan area. It runs through three counties and six municipalities, along with being a major route to Denver International Airport.
EZ TAG drivers will be able to use their transponders on the E-470, while Express Toll users will have access to all HCTRA's toll roads.
Similar HCTRA partnerships already allow seamless travel on toll roads in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Florida."
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on April 15, 2025, 02:03:04 AMQuote from: hwyfan on January 29, 2025, 01:43:41 PMAs you probably know, TxDOT recently sunsetted the TxTag brand of transponders and transferred operations of the associated TxTag accounts to HCTRA.
Does this move now affect the ability of SunPass Pro to work at facilities in Texas (such as in the Austin area) that were previously TxTag (and not NTTA Tolltag, nor HCTRA E-ZTag) only?
HCTRA has not yet made arrangements for interoperability between Houston area E-ZTag facilities and Florida SunPass.
Speaking of which... SunPass is now accepted in HCTRA tolling system (https://www.hctra.org/Harris_County_Toll_Road_Authority_Expands_Connectivity)
"Texas and Florida toll road customers will be able to travel seamlessly in the two states beginning March 2, 2025.
HCTRA is proud to partner with four major tolling agencies in Florida so that EZ TAGS can be used there, and SunPass transponders will work here.
The tolling agencies are the Florida Turnpike Enterprise (FTE), LeeWay (LCF), Greater Miami Expressway Agency (GMX), and the Tampa Hillsborough Expressway Authority (THEA).
HCTRA has had similar partnerships in place for years making travel easier between Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas."
And... ExpressToll is also accepted on the HCTRA tolling system (https://www.hctra.org/HCTRA_Connectivity_Reaches_Colorado)
"Texas drivers will be able to use their EZ TAGs in Colorado beginning March 30, 2025.
HCTRA is partnering with E-470, the 47-mile all-electronic tollway on the eastern perimeter of Denver's metropolitan area. It runs through three counties and six municipalities, along with being a major route to Denver International Airport.
EZ TAG drivers will be able to use their transponders on the E-470, while Express Toll users will have access to all HCTRA's toll roads.
Similar HCTRA partnerships already allow seamless travel on toll roads in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Florida."
It didn't work when I used it on March 16-17... it claimed I had an unpaid toll.
Quote from: kalvado on December 28, 2024, 05:22:19 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
One interesting question.. E-ZPass discrimination was legal with "because you can have many and swap them" court decision.
Stickers cannot be removed and reapplied....
But reapplying a sticker transponder is not how they're intended to be used. The intent is that you obtain a new one. They should be free (if an agency charges for a sticker transponder then that is shitty)
Quote from: ran4sh on April 18, 2025, 12:51:01 AMQuote from: kalvado on December 28, 2024, 05:22:19 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
One interesting question.. E-ZPass discrimination was legal with "because you can have many and swap them" court decision.
Stickers cannot be removed and reapplied....
But reapplying a sticker transponder is not how they're intended to be used. The intent is that you obtain a new one. They should be free (if an agency charges for a sticker transponder then that is shitty)
I-Pass stickers are indeed free, and I've been able to order 4 stickers despite only having been tolled on one of them (no monthly fees on any of them either makes it stress free to order one for every vehicle). It was just a little annoying having to peel it off when my old vehicle finally croaked.
Quote from: I-55 on April 18, 2025, 09:23:38 AMQuote from: ran4sh on April 18, 2025, 12:51:01 AMQuote from: kalvado on December 28, 2024, 05:22:19 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
One interesting question.. E-ZPass discrimination was legal with "because you can have many and swap them" court decision.
Stickers cannot be removed and reapplied....
But reapplying a sticker transponder is not how they're intended to be used. The intent is that you obtain a new one. They should be free (if an agency charges for a sticker transponder then that is shitty)
I-Pass stickers are indeed free, and I've been able to order 4 stickers despite only having been tolled on one of them (no monthly fees on any of them either makes it stress free to order one for every vehicle). It was just a little annoying having to peel it off when my old vehicle finally croaked.
The point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Chart link in OP has been updated to reflect TX agency tag merge and some housekeeping.
Wait, am I reading that right? The Texas tags are accepted in New Jersey?
Are the Bay City tags accepted at other MI toll facilities? Might be a good idea to add a note about that.
Quote from: vdeane on May 26, 2025, 03:05:00 PMWait, am I reading that right? The Texas tags are accepted in New Jersey?
Oops
Quote from: vdeane on May 26, 2025, 03:05:00 PMAre the Bay City tags accepted at other MI toll facilities? Might be a good idea to add a note about that.
Read between the lines. If there is no Y in the box, they're not compatible with that entry.
SunPass Pro is not compatible in Colorado? Or is that unclear?
Quote from: Molandfreak on May 26, 2025, 03:35:46 PMSunPass Pro is not compatible in Colorado? Or is that unclear?
I believe that's correct, SunPass (regardless of its type) is not officially accepted in CO :-(
Quote from: SSOWorld on May 26, 2025, 03:30:12 PMQuote from: vdeane on May 26, 2025, 03:05:00 PMWait, am I reading that right? The Texas tags are accepted in New Jersey?
Oops
Quote from: vdeane on May 26, 2025, 03:05:00 PMAre the Bay City tags accepted at other MI toll facilities? Might be a good idea to add a note about that.
Read between the lines. If there is no Y in the box, they're not compatible with that entry.
Right now there is a big X - the same X that every state has with itself. There's nothing otherwise saying either way on the chart, so I can see how someone who doesn't know about Michigan's tolling quirks would assume that all the Michigan tags would be compatible across Michigan given that such is how it works in every other state (I see now how there's a quirk with how Colorado is noted as being compatible with itself - but doesn't such imply that Texas and Florida aren't?).
https://thetollroads.com/driving-the-toll-roads/tolling-accounts/out-of-state-travel
As of June 1st, people with an account on The Toll Roads (a tolling agency in Orange County, CA) can now use their transponder in North Texas (DFW and Tyler).
Here's the catch- NTTA Customers are not currently able to use their NTTA TollTag to pay tolls on The Toll Roads, we are working towards two-way compatibility.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 03, 2025, 12:09:47 AMhttps://thetollroads.com/driving-the-toll-roads/tolling-accounts/out-of-state-travel
As of June 1st, people with an account on The Toll Roads (a tolling agency in Orange County, CA) can now use their transponder in North Texas (DFW and Tyler).
Here's the catch- NTTA Customers are not currently able to use their NTTA TollTag to pay tolls on The Toll Roads, we are working towards two-way compatibility.
Great. That's right on my way to work.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 03, 2025, 12:09:47 AMhttps://thetollroads.com/driving-the-toll-roads/tolling-accounts/out-of-state-travel
As of June 1st, people with an account on The Toll Roads (a tolling agency in Orange County, CA) can now use their transponder in North Texas (DFW and Tyler).
Here's the catch- NTTA Customers are not currently able to use their NTTA TollTag to pay tolls on The Toll Roads, we are working towards two-way compatibility.
To achieve full interoperability with California toll roads, Section 27565 of the California Streets and Highway Code has to be amended. The section, which deals with electronic tolling, presently has a restriction on the sharing of information out of state.
There is currently a bill (AB-334) (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB334) in the California legislature that is looking to amend Section 27565 to permit such data sharing. If it should pass the legislature and be signed into law, it is likely that California and Texas toll facility electronic toll interoperability would soon occur thereafter.
Why did Central Florida Expressway Authority stop working towards expanding interoperability for their E-Pass Uni transponder beyond the E-ZPass states? A FAQ on their website posted several years ago had a statement about how they anticipated interoperability with the Central States hub in the near future.
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Frequently Asked Questions - E-Pass (https://www.cfxway.com/faqs/)
Will my Texas TollTag, Kansas K-TAG or Oklahoma PIKEPASS work in Florida?
Yes, on a limited basis. On February 27, these passes will be accepted in Florida on Florida Turnpike Enterprise and FDOT-owned expressways.
CFX will soon accept toll payments for vehicles using the Texas TollTag, Kansas K-TAG and Oklahoma PIKEPASS toll passes on CFX expressways, effective date to be announced.
When using these passes, you will be charged the electronic toll rate.
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It's now several years later and no such interoperability exists in Central Florida. CFX declines to offer any update about this on social media.
I wonder if anyone with a Georgia Peach Pass has actually tried using it on the Ohio Turnpike or Indiana Toll Road. Georgia says it is interoperable; but recently I used those routes and, in Indiana the gate at the toll booth wouldn't open, suggesting that my Peach Pass wasn't read; and in Ohio the display indicated "invalid E-ZPass". Hopefully I don't miss out on any discounts when I end up paying that toll
Quote from: ran4sh on June 16, 2025, 11:40:00 AMI wonder if anyone with a Georgia Peach Pass has actually tried using it on the Ohio Turnpike or Indiana Toll Road. Georgia says it is interoperable; but recently I used those routes and, in Indiana the gate at the toll booth wouldn't open, suggesting that my Peach Pass wasn't read; and in Ohio the display indicated "invalid E-ZPass". Hopefully I don't miss out on any discounts when I end up paying that toll
Now I'm curious how people in Illinois who get stuck with the new sticker transponders fare on those roads. If they (
especially the ITR) can't read stickers, then Illinois really shouldn't be issuing them.
https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HR220/2025
The state of Louisiana passed a toll bill that includes this:
"A RESOLUTION
To urge and request the Department of Transportation and Development to study the benefits of providing easier access of Geaux Pass toll passes to the public; to study the benefits of creating a Geaux Pass local office in Belle Chasse, potential improvements to Geaux Pass customer service, and causes for the delay in the commencement of Geaux Pass for the Belle Chasse bridge project; to provide recommendations to improve for future projects, similar to the Belle Chasse Bridge project; and to study integrating Geaux Pass with the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway and other states' tolling systems."
...
TLDR- Louisiana might as well join the SE and Central interoperability hubs.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on June 16, 2025, 09:22:20 PMhttps://legiscan.com/LA/text/HR220/2025
The state of Louisiana passed a toll bill that includes this:
"A RESOLUTION
To urge and request the Department of Transportation and Development to study the benefits of providing easier access of Geaux Pass toll passes to the public; to study the benefits of creating a Geaux Pass local office in Belle Chasse, potential improvements to Geaux Pass customer service, and causes for the delay in the commencement of Geaux Pass for the Belle Chasse bridge project; to provide recommendations to improve for future projects, similar to the Belle Chasse Bridge project; and to study integrating Geaux Pass with the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway and other states' tolling systems."
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TLDR- Louisiana might as well join the SE and Central interoperability hubs.
How to get customers fast: Join both the Central Hub and the E-ZPass IAG.
That may not actually be a good thing if each customer causes the state to lose money but hey it's a thought... it would be extremely useful if they go through with tolling the I-10 bridges.
AlSo ThAt'S a ReSoLuTiOn NoT a BiLl :bigass: :bigass:
Quote from: vdeane on June 16, 2025, 12:43:31 PMQuote from: ran4sh on June 16, 2025, 11:40:00 AMI wonder if anyone with a Georgia Peach Pass has actually tried using it on the Ohio Turnpike or Indiana Toll Road. Georgia says it is interoperable; but recently I used those routes and, in Indiana the gate at the toll booth wouldn't open, suggesting that my Peach Pass wasn't read; and in Ohio the display indicated "invalid E-ZPass". Hopefully I don't miss out on any discounts when I end up paying that toll
Now I'm curious how people in Illinois who get stuck with the new sticker transponders fare on those roads. If they (especially the ITR) can't read stickers, then Illinois really shouldn't be issuing them.
I'm going to assume that the ITR has no issue reading I-Pass stickers since they make up 70% of electronic transactions on the ITR, and if there have been issues I'm sure I would've heard about them after a full year of switching to stickers. I've started to see more and more people in NE Indiana with I-Pass sticker transponders. I'll be able to test my sticker in OH/PA in a couple weeks, one of my friends recently made the trip and had no issue with his sticker in either IN, OH, or PA.
Related, I posted a little further upthread on how my old SunPass mini sticker was read at all 3 plazas of the WV Turnpike (despite SunPass mini supposedly not working in traditional E-ZPass territory). This makes me think this could be just a PeachPass problem and not a general sticker problem.
Another thing with using transponders out of state: make sure your balance is high enough to cover your entire trip more than a day in advance. My SunPass read on the WV Turnpike but I was stopped at the toll booth for "low balance" because I updated it after the most recent reciprocity sync. I doubt this was the PeachPass issue but each toll road has its quirks.
With Florida joining E-ZPass and Texas just a few states away, along with Louisiana and Alabama getting ready to toll I-10, all of them ought to be on the same network of tolling systems.
Imagine driving from Florida to Texas on I-10, and needing 4 different tolling systems (E-ZPass / SunPass, Alabama and Louisiana's tolling tags, and TxTag). I'm not saying they need to be the same system, but they all at minimum should be interoperable with one another.
Louisiana and Alabama, since this is their first major tolling projects (I know there's smaller toll roads in both states) should realistically just join E-ZPass, but again at minimum should both accept E-ZPass and TxTag systems.
E-ZPass and the TxTag network (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas?) should seamlessly work with each other.
That simple change would make the vast majority of the United States interoperable with one another, the sole exception being that toll road South Carolina has along I-185 and their own pass, but it's not like anyone actually uses that highway to begin with - it's a failed project.
Quote from: I-55 on June 17, 2025, 09:47:26 AMAnother thing with using transponders out of state: make sure your balance is high enough to cover your entire trip more than a day in advance. My SunPass read on the WV Turnpike but I was stopped at the toll booth for "low balance" because I updated it after the most recent reciprocity sync. I doubt this was the PeachPass issue but each toll road has its quirks.
Odd, I never heard of that. Are you not on automatic replenishment? I've had my account even go negative briefly on trips with no issue.
Quote from: vdeane on June 17, 2025, 12:58:03 PMQuote from: I-55 on June 17, 2025, 09:47:26 AMAnother thing with using transponders out of state: make sure your balance is high enough to cover your entire trip more than a day in advance. My SunPass read on the WV Turnpike but I was stopped at the toll booth for "low balance" because I updated it after the most recent reciprocity sync. I doubt this was the PeachPass issue but each toll road has its quirks.
Odd, I never heard of that. Are you not on automatic replenishment? I've had my account even go negative briefly on trips with no issue.
I have auto replenishment on for my I-Pass account at $20, which isn't an issue in IL where you only pay a few cents to a dollar at a time, but on ticket system turnpikes I need more than that to cover the larger fees. The SunPass account I had forgotten about (since my parents got it 6 years before SunPass/E-ZPass interoperability) and had $4 left on it when I passed through the Ghent Plaza. It wasn't on any sort of auto-replenishment since it we hadn't used it in several years (until we unknowingly were using it on the Louisville bridges once interoperability began, it still had around $15. I forgot all about it until I had $4.25 in my hand sticking out the window at Ghent).
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 17, 2025, 10:23:35 AMWith Florida joining E-ZPass and Texas just a few states away, along with Louisiana and Alabama getting ready to toll I-10, all of them ought to be on the same network of tolling systems.
Imagine driving from Florida to Texas on I-10, and needing 4 different tolling systems (E-ZPass / SunPass, Alabama and Louisiana's tolling tags, and TxTag). I'm not saying they need to be the same system, but they all at minimum should be interoperable with one another.
Louisiana and Alabama, since this is their first major tolling projects (I know there's smaller toll roads in both states) should realistically just join E-ZPass, but again at minimum should both accept E-ZPass and TxTag systems.
E-ZPass and the TxTag network (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas?) should seamlessly work with each other.
That simple change would make the vast majority of the United States interoperable with one another, the sole exception being that toll road South Carolina has along I-185 and their own pass, but it's not like anyone actually uses that highway to begin with - it's a failed project.
SunPass and NTTA TollTag have been interoperable for several years now
Quote from: ran4sh on June 16, 2025, 11:40:00 AMI wonder if anyone with a Georgia Peach Pass has actually tried using it on the Ohio Turnpike or Indiana Toll Road. Georgia says it is interoperable; but recently I used those routes and, in Indiana the gate at the toll booth wouldn't open, suggesting that my Peach Pass wasn't read; and in Ohio the display indicated "invalid E-ZPass". Hopefully I don't miss out on any discounts when I end up paying that toll
Update to this, the Ohio toll (which, their display claimed "invalid E-ZPass") actually was processed correctly, and now shows up in my Peach Pass account.
I also incurred a PA toll (which hasn't showed up yet) and further along on this trip I will have NJ, NY, NH and maybe MA tolls, so we'll see if those states work
But on my return trip to Illinois I won't have any tolls west of NY. So I won't have to deal with OH or IN tolling.
Quote from: ran4sh on June 17, 2025, 02:28:46 PMQuote from: ran4sh on June 16, 2025, 11:40:00 AMI wonder if anyone with a Georgia Peach Pass has actually tried using it on the Ohio Turnpike or Indiana Toll Road. Georgia says it is interoperable; but recently I used those routes and, in Indiana the gate at the toll booth wouldn't open, suggesting that my Peach Pass wasn't read; and in Ohio the display indicated "invalid E-ZPass". Hopefully I don't miss out on any discounts when I end up paying that toll
Update to this, the Ohio toll (which, their display claimed "invalid E-ZPass") actually was processed correctly, and now shows up in my Peach Pass account.
I also incurred a PA toll (which hasn't showed up yet) and further along on this trip I will have NJ, NY, NH and maybe MA tolls, so we'll see if those states work
But on my return trip to Illinois I won't have any tolls west of NY. So I won't have to deal with OH or IN tolling.
I know with I-Pass you can see if it scanned your transponder or billed by the license plate associated with your account. I would check and see if your Peach Pass scanned or if it was by license plate. If it doesn't say on your account page I would check your bill against the Ohio Turnpike Toll Schedules to see which category it fell in.
Quote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 11:42:06 AMQuote from: I-55 on April 18, 2025, 09:23:38 AMQuote from: ran4sh on April 18, 2025, 12:51:01 AMQuote from: kalvado on December 28, 2024, 05:22:19 PMQuote from: vdeane on December 28, 2024, 02:09:17 PMQuote from: I-55 on December 27, 2024, 10:28:15 PMHere's the kicker: SunPass mini supposedly doesn't work in the traditional E-ZPass states (SunPass PRO does. The map can be found on the SunPass Wikipedia page or Sunpass.com (https://sunpass.com/)). However, since this is the 4th toll plaza in a row that it's worked in either WV or IN/KY (I-65), I'd say that needs revisited. There are people on Reddit who've mentioned getting their SunPass mini billed in NJ and ME, so maybe Florida doesn't know the full extent of their interoperability???
Illinois is now only issuing sticker transponders, so it probably works just fine most everywhere now.
One interesting question.. E-ZPass discrimination was legal with "because you can have many and swap them" court decision.
Stickers cannot be removed and reapplied....
But reapplying a sticker transponder is not how they're intended to be used. The intent is that you obtain a new one. They should be free (if an agency charges for a sticker transponder then that is shitty)
I-Pass stickers are indeed free, and I've been able to order 4 stickers despite only having been tolled on one of them (no monthly fees on any of them either makes it stress free to order one for every vehicle). It was just a little annoying having to peel it off when my old vehicle finally croaked.
The point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Just apply the new sticker to a piece of Stickershield, then you can apply and remove the Stickershield (with the transponder affixed to its non-sticky side) from the windshield as necessary.
Quote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 07:27:57 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 11:42:06 AMThe point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Just apply the new sticker to a piece of Stickershield, then you can apply and remove the Stickershield (with the transponder affixed to its non-sticky side) from the windshield as necessary.
Just put all of them up, and tape a bit of foil over the ones you're not using, since that will effectively short out their antennas.
Quote from: pderocco on June 19, 2025, 07:43:40 PMQuote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 07:27:57 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 11:42:06 AMThe point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Just apply the new sticker to a piece of Stickershield, then you can apply and remove the Stickershield (with the transponder affixed to its non-sticky side) from the windshield as necessary.
Just put all of them up, and tape a bit of foil over the ones you're not using, since that will effectively short out their antennas.
But if you are in a rental car and using a toll facility that only has sticker transponders - that wouldn't work as you'd have to remove the tag (and thus destroy it) when you returned the vehicle. With Stickershield, it is possible to lift up the stickershield plastic and thus not bend and destroy the transponder mounted on it. I've done it successfully with K-Tag stickers and Palmetto Pass stickers in rental cars.
Quote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 10:48:46 PMQuote from: pderocco on June 19, 2025, 07:43:40 PMQuote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 07:27:57 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 11:42:06 AMThe point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Just apply the new sticker to a piece of Stickershield, then you can apply and remove the Stickershield (with the transponder affixed to its non-sticky side) from the windshield as necessary.
Just put all of them up, and tape a bit of foil over the ones you're not using, since that will effectively short out their antennas.
But if you are in a rental car and using a toll facility that only has sticker transponders - that wouldn't work as you'd have to remove the tag (and thus destroy it) when you returned the vehicle. With Stickershield, it is possible to lift up the stickershield plastic and thus not bend and destroy the transponder mounted on it. I've done it successfully with K-Tag stickers and Palmetto Pass stickers in rental cars.
For that, you can probably also use Scotch tape.
Quote from: pderocco on June 19, 2025, 11:34:42 PMQuote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 10:48:46 PMQuote from: pderocco on June 19, 2025, 07:43:40 PMQuote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 07:27:57 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 11:42:06 AMThe point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Just apply the new sticker to a piece of Stickershield, then you can apply and remove the Stickershield (with the transponder affixed to its non-sticky side) from the windshield as necessary.
Just put all of them up, and tape a bit of foil over the ones you're not using, since that will effectively short out their antennas.
But if you are in a rental car and using a toll facility that only has sticker transponders - that wouldn't work as you'd have to remove the tag (and thus destroy it) when you returned the vehicle. With Stickershield, it is possible to lift up the stickershield plastic and thus not bend and destroy the transponder mounted on it. I've done it successfully with K-Tag stickers and Palmetto Pass stickers in rental cars.
For that, you can probably also use Scotch tape.
I've heard that it's not 100% reliable at saving the transponder. Not to mention ugly AF.
Quote from: vdeane on June 20, 2025, 09:00:39 AMQuote from: pderocco on June 19, 2025, 11:34:42 PMQuote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 10:48:46 PMQuote from: pderocco on June 19, 2025, 07:43:40 PMQuote from: hwyfan on June 19, 2025, 07:27:57 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 11:42:06 AMThe point is that issuing only stickers without a transponder option violates the principle of the ruling that agencies can offer discounts to motorists using their own transponders, because it's impractical to just order a bunch of stickers and take them off whenever you visit an area offering a discount for a different transponder and apply a new one once you leave.
Just apply the new sticker to a piece of Stickershield, then you can apply and remove the Stickershield (with the transponder affixed to its non-sticky side) from the windshield as necessary.
Just put all of them up, and tape a bit of foil over the ones you're not using, since that will effectively short out their antennas.
But if you are in a rental car and using a toll facility that only has sticker transponders - that wouldn't work as you'd have to remove the tag (and thus destroy it) when you returned the vehicle. With Stickershield, it is possible to lift up the stickershield plastic and thus not bend and destroy the transponder mounted on it. I've done it successfully with K-Tag stickers and Palmetto Pass stickers in rental cars.
For that, you can probably also use Scotch tape.
I've heard that it's not 100% reliable at saving the transponder. Not to mention ugly AF.
I wonder if putting a sticker on a piece of glass and moving it around - say inserted in a picture frame - would work...
Saw this sign that was recently installed (along with a new Maine Welcome Home / The Way Life Should Be sign in Kittery) on the Maine Turnpike northbound in York just after the welcome center listing the accepted methods of payment. Sorry for the poor dashcam quality, but the sign reads this:
PAYMENTS ACCEPTED
[E-ZPass]
[CASH] [I-Pass LeeWay] [Peach Pass]
[SunPass] [E-Pass] [NC Quick Pass]
Wonder if the Maine Turnpike intends to accept more ETC payment options in the future (as given by the empty space on the bottom), as well as how well the MeTA's equipment can read sticker transponders from agencies that issue one. The ETC equipment was replaced with a more up to date one at all tolling points across the Turnpike over the years. As far as I can tell, there is no mention about this on their website as of the writing of this message.
There was a security breach in March affecting Maine Turnpike E-ZPass customers recently, resulting in delayed transactions being posted as late as around April (link (https://www.maineturnpike.com/news/recent-news/maine-turnpike-authority-addresses-e-zpass-lane-message-issue)).
(https://i.ibb.co/vxjBnZd2/Screenshot-2025-06-24-at-15-57-57-0400.png) (https://ibb.co/4ZVfrPSB)
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 24, 2025, 04:12:08 PMSaw this sign that was recently installed (along with a new Maine Welcome Home / The Way Life Should Be sign in Kittery) on the Maine Turnpike northbound in York just after the welcome center listing the accepted methods of payment. Sorry for the poor dashcam quality, but the sign reads this:
PAYMENTS ACCEPTED
[E-ZPass]
[CASH] [I-Pass?] [Peach Pass]
[SunPass] [E-Pass] [NC Quick Pass]
Wonder if the Maine Turnpike intends to accept more ETC payment options in the future (as given by the empty space on the bottom), as well as how well the MeTA's equipment can read sticker transponders from agencies that issue one. The ETC equipment was replaced with a more up to date one at all tolling points across the Turnpike over the years. As far as I can tell, there is no mention about this on their website as of the writing of this message.
There was a security breach in March affecting Maine Turnpike E-ZPass customers recently, resulting in delayed transactions being posted as late as around April (link (https://www.maineturnpike.com/news/recent-news/maine-turnpike-authority-addresses-e-zpass-lane-message-issue)).
(https://i.ibb.co/vxjBnZd2/Screenshot-2025-06-24-at-15-57-57-0400.png) (https://ibb.co/4ZVfrPSB)
I think the spot you guessed as I-Pass is actually LeeWay, which is one of the Florida transponders. A clearer image can be found here on Florida's Turnpike (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.847521,-82.0784386,3a,20.8y,158.81h,97.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdMbPNm3wqTuWlCiWYdxWyg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-7.85188329433538%26panoid%3DdMbPNm3wqTuWlCiWYdxWyg%26yaw%3D158.8124461893808!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYxNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D). I-Pass is typically considered to fall under the E-ZPass umbrella (as it's been intercompatible for roughly 20 years now) and isn't shown separate from E-ZPass outside of IL and IN. As for the blank space, it's probably just an "in case we add more" with no plans for immediate additions.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 24, 2025, 04:12:08 PMSaw this sign that was recently installed (along with a new Maine Welcome Home / The Way Life Should Be sign in Kittery) on the Maine Turnpike northbound in York just after the welcome center listing the accepted methods of payment. Sorry for the poor dashcam quality, but the sign reads this:
PAYMENTS ACCEPTED
[E-ZPass]
[CASH] [I-Pass?] [Peach Pass]
[SunPass] [E-Pass] [NC Quick Pass]
Wonder if the Maine Turnpike intends to accept more ETC payment options in the future (as given by the empty space on the bottom), as well as how well the MeTA's equipment can read sticker transponders from agencies that issue one. The ETC equipment was replaced with a more up to date one at all tolling points across the Turnpike over the years. As far as I can tell, there is no mention about this on their website as of the writing of this message.
There was a security breach in March affecting Maine Turnpike E-ZPass customers recently, resulting in delayed transactions being posted as late as around April (link (https://www.maineturnpike.com/news/recent-news/maine-turnpike-authority-addresses-e-zpass-lane-message-issue)).
(https://i.ibb.co/vxjBnZd2/Screenshot-2025-06-24-at-15-57-57-0400.png) (https://ibb.co/4ZVfrPSB)
Did they mean to include REGULAR SunPass, E-Pass (FL), and LeeWay? I thought only the Pro and UNI worked up there. Regardless of validity, I never thought I'd see those symbols north of NC! :awesomeface:
On a different note, I'm wondering how much confusion this could cause for users with the OTHER E-Pass in Canada :-D
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on February 04, 2024, 05:05:49 PMI am curious about future tolling programs that states are considering, more specifically Alabama (I-10 Bridge & Birmingham ETL) and Tennessee (Choice Lns). Is it possible they could become E-ZPass members given their proximity to other E-ZPass states?
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on February 04, 2024, 05:05:49 PMI am curious about future tolling programs that states are considering, more specifically Alabama (I-10 Bridge & Birmingham ETL) and Tennessee (Choice Lns). Is it possible they could become E-ZPass members given their proximity to other E-ZPass states?
On that note, I found this document relating to Alabama's toll equipment specifications
https://www.dot.state.al.us/business/pdf/TollingTPs.pdf
I know this is an old document, but I just looked at it. For all the detail in that document, I don't see any mention of any radio frequency standards (although I just skimmed it). I'm curious how different the various systems are, for frequency, modulation, encryption/authentication, packet format, etc., as that could determine what systems are even possible to interoperate without just putting up more equipment on every gantry.
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 25, 2025, 11:49:15 PMQuote from: fwydriver405 on June 24, 2025, 04:12:08 PMSaw this sign that was recently installed (along with a new Maine Welcome Home / The Way Life Should Be sign in Kittery) on the Maine Turnpike northbound in York just after the welcome center listing the accepted methods of payment. Sorry for the poor dashcam quality, but the sign reads this:
PAYMENTS ACCEPTED
[E-ZPass]
[CASH] [I-Pass?] [Peach Pass]
[SunPass] [E-Pass] [NC Quick Pass]
Wonder if the Maine Turnpike intends to accept more ETC payment options in the future (as given by the empty space on the bottom), as well as how well the MeTA's equipment can read sticker transponders from agencies that issue one. The ETC equipment was replaced with a more up to date one at all tolling points across the Turnpike over the years. As far as I can tell, there is no mention about this on their website as of the writing of this message.
There was a security breach in March affecting Maine Turnpike E-ZPass customers recently, resulting in delayed transactions being posted as late as around April (link (https://www.maineturnpike.com/news/recent-news/maine-turnpike-authority-addresses-e-zpass-lane-message-issue)).
(https://i.ibb.co/vxjBnZd2/Screenshot-2025-06-24-at-15-57-57-0400.png) (https://ibb.co/4ZVfrPSB)
Did they mean to include REGULAR SunPass, E-Pass (FL), and LeeWay? I thought only the Pro and UNI worked up there. Regardless of validity, I never thought I'd see those symbols north of NC! :awesomeface:
On a different note, I'm wondering how much confusion this could cause for users with the OTHER E-Pass in Canada :-D
Legacy E-ZPass regions are supposed to accept sticker-type transponders now, so newer members such as SunPass that already mostly issue stickers, should generally be compatible, even if nothing was publicly stated/released about it. There's no reason that IL/NC/etc stickers work and FL's don't
So if I have a KTAG and need to drive up to Chicago in September, should I open an I-PASS account associated to my Kansas license plate before I go, or will my KTAG work on the tollways?
Quote from: Sani on June 26, 2025, 11:59:12 AMSo if I have a KTAG and need to drive up to Chicago in September, should I open an I-PASS account associated to my Kansas license plate before I go, or will my KTAG work on the tollways?
As far as I'm aware, Kansas has not joined the IAG, so even though it's a sticker, it won't work. Only SunPass would work in both KS and IL given that FDOT has a separate agreement with the central hub in addition to being an IAG member.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: ElishaGOtis on June 26, 2025, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Sani on June 26, 2025, 11:59:12 AMSo if I have a KTAG and need to drive up to Chicago in September, should I open an I-PASS account associated to my Kansas license plate before I go, or will my KTAG work on the tollways?
As far as I'm aware, Kansas has not joined the IAG, so even though it's a sticker, it won't work. Only SunPass would work in both KS and IL given that FDOT has a separate agreement with the central hub in addition to being an IAG member.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't think your statement needs correcting. I-Pass stickers usually need 14 business days from the time of ordering to the time you receive. If traveling before this period elapses, Sani should probably register for pay by plate instead, since once I-Pass registration begins you're locked out of your account until the stickers are ready.
Quote from: I-55 on June 25, 2025, 11:18:41 PMI think the spot you guessed as I-Pass is actually LeeWay, which is one of the Florida transponders. A clearer image can be found here on Florida's Turnpike (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.847521,-82.0784386,3a,20.8y,158.81h,97.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdMbPNm3wqTuWlCiWYdxWyg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-7.85188329433538%26panoid%3DdMbPNm3wqTuWlCiWYdxWyg%26yaw%3D158.8124461893808!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYxNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D). I-Pass is typically considered to fall under the E-ZPass umbrella (as it's been intercompatible for roughly 20 years now) and isn't shown separate from E-ZPass outside of IL and IN.
Yeah, you may be right that might be LeeWay on that after looking at the image closely. I'll definitely have to look closely at this sign again when I return home to Maine. I have since corrected my original post to reflect this.
Quote from: ran4sh on June 26, 2025, 01:46:25 AMQuote from: ElishaGOtis on June 25, 2025, 11:49:15 PMDid they mean to include REGULAR SunPass, E-Pass (FL), and LeeWay? I thought only the Pro and UNI worked up there. Regardless of validity, I never thought I'd see those symbols north of NC! :awesomeface:
On a different note, I'm wondering how much confusion this could cause for users with the OTHER E-Pass in Canada :-D
Legacy E-ZPass regions are supposed to accept sticker-type transponders now, so newer members such as SunPass that already mostly issue stickers, should generally be compatible, even if nothing was publicly stated/released about it. There's no reason that IL/NC/etc stickers work and FL's don't
I put in an inquiry to the Maine Turnpike asking about the SunPass / LeeWay / E-Pass transponders on that sign (mentioning that
only the PRO / hardcase / Uni transponders are E-ZPass interoperable) as well as well as asking about their website not mentioning the five other methods of payments accepted (only Cash and E-ZPass are listed). To be fair, NH E-ZPass and EZDrive MA also don't make any mention of this as well too on their website or on highway signage, both just mentioning that out-of-state E-ZPasses are accepted at their toll facilities.
For the record, I'm not sure if this is the only sign of its kind posted along the Turnpike. There may be one posted south of Exit 109, but I think the purpose of the Mile 4 York sign is mostly for people coming from the south from other states.
I've been meaning to ask this for years now, but is there a difference between these two kinds of E-ZPass transponders? The Maine Turnpike used to issue transponders like the top example from like around the early 2010s (2013 or 14?) to replace the older transponder (https://townsquare.media/site/490/files/2017/10/Renee-Nelson-EZPass-e1507030066316.jpg?w=780&q=75), and then sometime in 2021 or 2022, they started issuing a new transponder variant which is on the bottom. To my knowledge, NHDOT, MassDOT, and RITBA still issue the transponder on the top.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z64NSM4Z/IMG-8158.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Wp2kRp7)
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 27, 2025, 12:58:39 PMmentioning that only the PRO / hardcase / Uni transponders are E-ZPass interoperable
That might not be true any more. E-ZPass agencies have been upgrading their equipment to accept stickers, and Illinois has switched to issuing stickers (nearly?) exclusively.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 27, 2025, 12:58:39 PMYeah, you may be right that might be LeeWay on that after looking at the image closely. I'll definitely have to look closely at this sign again when I return home to Maine. I have since corrected my original post to reflect this.
I have a photo of it from last week. It's definitely LeeWay.
Quote from: fwydriver405 on June 27, 2025, 01:10:05 PMI've been meaning to ask this for years now, but is there a difference between these two kinds of E-ZPass transponders? The Maine Turnpike used to issue transponders like the top example from like around the early 2010s (2013 or 14?) to replace the older transponder (https://townsquare.media/site/490/files/2017/10/Renee-Nelson-EZPass-e1507030066316.jpg?w=780&q=75), and then sometime in 2021 or 2022, they started issuing a new transponder variant which is on the bottom. To my knowledge, NHDOT, MassDOT, and RITBA still issue the transponder on the top.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z64NSM4Z/IMG-8158.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Wp2kRp7)
The original EZ Pass was about the size of a cassette tape, and became more about the size of the top pic. It still worked flawlessly among agencies. Likely similar to here, size (or model) doesn't matter.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 27, 2025, 11:06:24 PMQuote from: fwydriver405 on June 27, 2025, 01:10:05 PMI've been meaning to ask this for years now, but is there a difference between these two kinds of E-ZPass transponders? The Maine Turnpike used to issue transponders like the top example from like around the early 2010s (2013 or 14?) to replace the older transponder (https://townsquare.media/site/490/files/2017/10/Renee-Nelson-EZPass-e1507030066316.jpg?w=780&q=75), and then sometime in 2021 or 2022, they started issuing a new transponder variant which is on the bottom. To my knowledge, NHDOT, MassDOT, and RITBA still issue the transponder on the top.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z64NSM4Z/IMG-8158.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5Wp2kRp7)
The original EZ Pass was about the size of a cassette tape, and became more about the size of the top pic. It still worked flawlessly among agencies. Likely similar to here, size (or model) doesn't matter.
If you open original one, the size is driven by a huge Li battery. Chip is, well, a chip; and on-board antenna is flat.
I don't think chip was upgraded protocol-wise since launch. But technology wise it could get lower consumption with a newer battery.
Quote from: I-55 on June 26, 2025, 09:23:48 PMQuote from: ElishaGOtis on June 26, 2025, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Sani on June 26, 2025, 11:59:12 AMSo if I have a KTAG and need to drive up to Chicago in September, should I open an I-PASS account associated to my Kansas license plate before I go, or will my KTAG work on the tollways?
As far as I'm aware, Kansas has not joined the IAG, so even though it's a sticker, it won't work. Only SunPass would work in both KS and IL given that FDOT has a separate agreement with the central hub in addition to being an IAG member.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't think your statement needs correcting. I-Pass stickers usually need 14 business days from the time of ordering to the time you receive. If traveling before this period elapses, Sani should probably register for pay by plate instead, since once I-Pass registration begins you're locked out of your account until the stickers are ready.
Good to know. I'll just register my license plate with I-Pass before the trip. Hopefully the central hub will link up with IAG here in the next several years... or decades...
Quote from: I-55 on June 26, 2025, 09:23:48 PMQuote from: ElishaGOtis on June 26, 2025, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Sani on June 26, 2025, 11:59:12 AMSo if I have a KTAG and need to drive up to Chicago in September, should I open an I-PASS account associated to my Kansas license plate before I go, or will my KTAG work on the tollways?
As far as I'm aware, Kansas has not joined the IAG, so even though it's a sticker, it won't work. Only SunPass would work in both KS and IL given that FDOT has a separate agreement with the central hub in addition to being an IAG member.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't think your statement needs correcting. I-Pass stickers usually need 14 business days from the time of ordering to the time you receive. If traveling before this period elapses, Sani should probably register for pay by plate instead, since once I-Pass registration begins you're locked out of your account until the stickers are ready.
That's only if you do it by mail. Stop by a Jewel-Osco or Road Ranger and pick one up. That will be activated on the spot.
Quote from: vdeane on June 27, 2025, 09:24:36 PMQuote from: fwydriver405 on June 27, 2025, 12:58:39 PMmentioning that only the PRO / hardcase / Uni transponders are E-ZPass interoperable
That might not be true any more. E-ZPass agencies have been upgrading their equipment to accept stickers, and Illinois has switched to issuing stickers (nearly?) exclusively.
ISTHA only issues the stickers now.
https://agency.illinoistollway.com/about-ipass