With the Muss Bus leaving Arkansas to go to a program clearly due to Musselman wanting to get closer to family, it left the SEC with a big hole to fill. I didn't see Coach Cal defecting from Kentucky, though. Big shocker, and will certainly give a new dimension to the Arkansas/Kentucky basketball rivalry from now on.
Quote from: MikieTimT on April 10, 2024, 10:54:06 AMWith the Muss Bus leaving Arkansas to go to a program clearly due to Musselman wanting to get closer to family, it left the SEC with a big hole to fill. I didn't see Coach K defecting from Kentucky, though. Big shocker, and will certainly give a new dimension to the Arkansas/Kentucky basketball rivalry from now on.
Not Coach K...Coach Cal.
And Kentucky really didn't mind this. They had grown tired of the underperformance in the tourney in recent years.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 10, 2024, 11:40:52 AMQuote from: MikieTimT on April 10, 2024, 10:54:06 AMWith the Muss Bus leaving Arkansas to go to a program clearly due to Musselman wanting to get closer to family, it left the SEC with a big hole to fill. I didn't see Coach K defecting from Kentucky, though. Big shocker, and will certainly give a new dimension to the Arkansas/Kentucky basketball rivalry from now on.
Not Coach K...Coach Cal.
And Kentucky really didn't mind this. They had grown tired of the underperformance in the tourney in recent years.
Right you are. Corrected my error.
Cal was likely getting fired next year anything short of a Final Four. It made sense for him to bail early. Will be interesting to see if UK pays through the nose for Nate Oats or Scott Drew.
I was coached in basketball by Coach Cal...
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 10, 2024, 12:54:11 PMCal was likely getting fired next year anything short of a Final Four. It made sense for him to bail early. Will be interesting to see if UK pays through the nose for Nate Oats or Scott Drew.
It was much the same with Muss, although the family connections back in Cali likely had something to do with it too with the opening at USC coming up.
Quote from: MikieTimT on April 10, 2024, 04:42:12 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 10, 2024, 12:54:11 PMCal was likely getting fired next year anything short of a Final Four. It made sense for him to bail early. Will be interesting to see if UK pays through the nose for Nate Oats or Scott Drew.
It was much the same with Muss, although the family connections back in Cali likely had something to do with it too with the opening at USC coming up.
Muss made Arkansas as relevant as they've been since the Big Nasty days. Not a great year this year obviously, but if Arkansas was looking to get rid of him this early, that would be a little bit of a shock to me.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 10, 2024, 04:53:31 PMQuote from: MikieTimT on April 10, 2024, 04:42:12 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 10, 2024, 12:54:11 PMCal was likely getting fired next year anything short of a Final Four. It made sense for him to bail early. Will be interesting to see if UK pays through the nose for Nate Oats or Scott Drew.
It was much the same with Muss, although the family connections back in Cali likely had something to do with it too with the opening at USC coming up.
Muss made Arkansas as relevant as they've been since the Big Nasty days. Not a great year this year obviously, but if Arkansas was looking to get rid of him this early, that would be a little bit of a shock to me.
I don't know. When you recruit one of top sets of talent in the nation and not even make the tournament like Arkansas did this year, it's not a great look. That said, he certainly earned another year to turn it back around. Now to who Kentucky fills their void with.
After failing to get Nate Oats, Dan Hurley, and Scott Drew, Kentucky hired Mark Pope from BYU. Pope played on the Kentucky team that won the national championship in 1997.
Of course, this is still a weird hire. BYU just got humiliated by Duquesne in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on April 12, 2024, 10:36:38 AMAfter failing to get Nate Oats, Dan Hurley, and Scott Drew, Kentucky hired Mark Pope from BYU. Pope played on the Kentucky team that won the national championship in 1997.
Of course, this is still a weird hire. BYU just got humiliated by Duquesne in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Not saying he either will or won't succeed at UK, but obviously he's going to be able to attract a much different level of player at Kentucky vs. BYU.
My comment on the Calipari/Pope situation appears to have been deleted.
If a post gets deleted, it would be nice for the guilty moderator to drop a private note to the person whose post got deleted telling them so, and why.
The chain that started with SMU firing Rob Lanier ended today:
The chain:
1. Rob Lanier is fired from SMU
2. Andy Enfield goes from USC to SMU
3. Musselman goes from Arkansas to USC
4. John Calipari goes from Kentucky to Arkansas
5. Mark Pope goes from BYU to Kentucky
6. BYU hires Kevin Young, assistant coach of the Phoenix Suns
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on April 16, 2024, 08:05:41 PMThe chain that started with SMU firing Rob Lanier ended today:
The chain:
1. Rob Lanier is fired from SMU
2. Andy Enfield goes from USC to SMU
3. Musselman goes from Arkansas to USC
4. John Calipari goes from Kentucky to Arkansas
5. Mark Pope goes from BYU to Kentucky
6. BYU hires Kevin Young, assistant coach of the Phoenix Suns
What if a college coach replaces Kevin Young?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 16, 2024, 08:58:07 PMQuote from: WillWeaverRVA on April 16, 2024, 08:05:41 PMThe chain that started with SMU firing Rob Lanier ended today:
The chain:
1. Rob Lanier is fired from SMU
2. Andy Enfield goes from USC to SMU
3. Musselman goes from Arkansas to USC
4. John Calipari goes from Kentucky to Arkansas
5. Mark Pope goes from BYU to Kentucky
6. BYU hires Kevin Young, assistant coach of the Phoenix Suns
What if a college coach replaces Kevin Young?
Young was the highest paid assistant coach in the NBA so I imagine the Suns probably won't look for a college guy.
The carousel may start spinning again as Dan Hurley could be headed to the Lakers. I'd bet that this will be much more impactful than the previous one and it could lead to A LOT of post-window transfer portal movement (players have 30 days to enter after a coaching change).
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1798668676016836889?s=46
I think UConn would just promote from within in a bid to keep the team intact.
I already have ample reasons to dislike the Lakers, thanks
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2024, 11:09:01 AMI think UConn would just promote from within in a bid to keep the team intact.
That could be problematic if Hurley were to take some of his staff with him, and even if he doesn't, the volatility of the transfer portal means it'll be impossible to keep the whole team together.
Quote from: kurumi on June 06, 2024, 11:26:34 AMI already have ample reasons to dislike the Lakers, thanks
Dan Hurley's always been a jerk to me every time I've interacted with him (as a sports photographer who ran into him a lot when he was at Rhode Island), so yeah, I'd also have a new reason not to like the Lakers.
I highly doubt he goes. Lakers through a bag at Coach K once upon a time and he stayed put too.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 06, 2024, 12:11:25 PMI highly doubt he goes. Lakers through a bag at Coach K once upon a time and he stayed put too.
Yeah, but the differences in compensation between NBA and college are going to increase substantially IMO with the new media rights deal. Furthermore, the college job has become a lot more complex.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 06, 2024, 12:47:24 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on June 06, 2024, 12:11:25 PMI highly doubt he goes. Lakers through a bag at Coach K once upon a time and he stayed put too.
Yeah, but the differences in compensation between NBA and college are going to increase substantially IMO with the new media rights deal. Furthermore, the college job has become a lot more complex.
Yup. The NBA will pay him well and it's not a transfer portal NIL free-for-all like college basketball is now.
Maybe the Lakers will chase Calipari instead if Hurley doesn't work out.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 06, 2024, 12:11:25 PMI highly doubt he goes. Lakers through a bag at Coach K once upon a time and he stayed put too.
I win.
But they really didn't "throw a bag" at him. Reportedly $70 million over six years.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on April 12, 2024, 10:36:38 AMAfter failing to get Nate Oats, Dan Hurley, and Scott Drew, Kentucky hired Mark Pope from BYU. Pope played on the Kentucky team that won the national championship in 1997.
Of course, this is still a weird hire. BYU just got humiliated by Duquesne in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
I thought Arizona won in 1997. Kentucky did win in the years both before and after that.
As for Dan Hurley not going to the Lakers, good for him. The last thing we need is a Rick Pitino disaster, as the NBA knows by now that hiring college coaches to run a pro team is usually not a good idea.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 10, 2024, 02:51:20 PMBut they really didn't "throw a bag" at him. Reportedly $70 million over six years.
Double his current salary? When's the last time you turned down a 100% raise?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 10, 2024, 11:21:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 10, 2024, 02:51:20 PMBut they really didn't "throw a bag" at him. Reportedly $70 million over six years.
Double his current salary? When's the last time you turned down a 100% raise?
He is apparently getting an upgrade from UConn. And in the NBA coaching marketplace, it's definitely not "a bag." He would have been paid around the top third of coaches.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2024, 08:59:37 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on June 10, 2024, 11:21:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 10, 2024, 02:51:20 PMBut they really didn't "throw a bag" at him. Reportedly $70 million over six years.
Double his current salary? When's the last time you turned down a 100% raise?
He is apparently getting an upgrade from UConn. And in the NBA coaching marketplace, it's definitely not "a bag." He would have been paid around the top third of coaches.
Either way, the current landscape of college sports and less money wasn't a deterrent to staying put, as I suggested.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 11, 2024, 10:16:05 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2024, 08:59:37 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on June 10, 2024, 11:21:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 10, 2024, 02:51:20 PMBut they really didn't "throw a bag" at him. Reportedly $70 million over six years.
Double his current salary? When's the last time you turned down a 100% raise?
He is apparently getting an upgrade from UConn. And in the NBA coaching marketplace, it's definitely not "a bag." He would have been paid around the top third of coaches.
Either way, the current landscape of college sports and less money wasn't a deterrent to staying put, as I suggested.
But your whole premise, you know the one where you said "I win," is where you compared this circumstance with the Lakers once "throwing a bag" at Coach K.
They simply didn't "throw a bag" at Hurley. They offered him a good salary for an NBA coach, but hardly one that resets the market. And one that UConn likely has agreed to match or come very close to. So money likely wasn't a factor at all because the compensation levels are likely going to be close.
Had the Lakers agreed to pay him like the Warriors pay Kerr, roughly double what the Lakers' apparent offer was, my guess is his answer is different.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2024, 01:48:53 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on June 11, 2024, 10:16:05 AMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2024, 08:59:37 AMQuote from: JayhawkCO on June 10, 2024, 11:21:15 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on June 10, 2024, 02:51:20 PMBut they really didn't "throw a bag" at him. Reportedly $70 million over six years.
Double his current salary? When's the last time you turned down a 100% raise?
He is apparently getting an upgrade from UConn. And in the NBA coaching marketplace, it's definitely not "a bag." He would have been paid around the top third of coaches.
Either way, the current landscape of college sports and less money wasn't a deterrent to staying put, as I suggested.
But your whole premise, you know the one where you said "I win," is where you compared this circumstance with the Lakers once "throwing a bag" at Coach K.
They simply didn't "throw a bag" at Hurley. They offered him a good salary for an NBA coach, but hardly one that resets the market. And one that UConn likely has agreed to match or come very close to. So money likely wasn't a factor at all because the compensation levels are likely going to be close.
Had the Lakers agreed to pay him like the Warriors pay Kerr, roughly double what the Lakers' apparent offer was, my guess is his answer is different.
He would have been one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA at 11.7 million per year. He currently makes 5.25 million per year at UConn. They aren't doubling him, especially at a non-football power school, there's no money for that.
From what I read this morning, he turned down an additional $20 million. I guess we'll agree to disagree about what constitutes a bag.