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Title: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: kurumi on July 03, 2024, 01:43:18 AM
Stamford, TX is a small town north of Abilene.

Its 13 square miles are basically: ~5 square miles around US 277 and TX 6, the main roads through town; 7 square miles on Lake Stamford; and a narrow strip, about 10 miles long and less than 1000 feet wide, connecting them.

Link showing the border: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rkCyV8GbQWR1ZZV26
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: J N Winkler on July 03, 2024, 03:22:05 AM
Quote from: kurumi on July 03, 2024, 01:43:18 AMStamford, TX is a small town north of Abilene.

Its 13 square miles are basically: ~5 square miles around US 277 and TX 6, the main roads through town; 7 square miles on Lake Stamford; and a narrow strip, about 10 miles long and less than 1000 feet wide, connecting them.

Link showing the border: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rkCyV8GbQWR1ZZV26

Looking at the map extract, it seems the city also has exclaves consisting of discrete strips of lakeshore as well as both abutments of the FM 600 bridge across the lake.  I wonder about the history here--I have never heard of Texas being a poster child for strip annexation, unlike Arizona and Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Scott5114 on July 03, 2024, 06:21:27 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 03, 2024, 03:22:05 AMI have never heard of Texas being a poster child for strip annexation, unlike Arizona and Oklahoma.

The city limits of Duncan, Oklahoma (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Duncan,+OK/@34.5294518,-97.9346185,11z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x87ad594711ce42c5:0x8fd324982465e165!8m2!3d34.5023028!4d-97.9578128!16zL20vMHpiOHM?entry=ttu) defy description.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Road Hog on July 03, 2024, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 03, 2024, 03:22:05 AM
Quote from: kurumi on July 03, 2024, 01:43:18 AMStamford, TX is a small town north of Abilene.

Its 13 square miles are basically: ~5 square miles around US 277 and TX 6, the main roads through town; 7 square miles on Lake Stamford; and a narrow strip, about 10 miles long and less than 1000 feet wide, connecting them.

Link showing the border: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rkCyV8GbQWR1ZZV26

Looking at the map extract, it seems the city also has exclaves consisting of discrete strips of lakeshore as well as both abutments of the FM 600 bridge across the lake.  I wonder about the history here--I have never heard of Texas being a poster child for strip annexation, unlike Arizona and Oklahoma.
Lots of Texas cities like to annex highway ROWs, mainly to enhance the city coffers with citation revenue.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: 1995hoo on July 03, 2024, 08:05:50 AM
Baarle-Hertog:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg/1024px-Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg.png)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: kalvado on July 03, 2024, 08:17:02 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 03, 2024, 08:05:50 AMBaarle-Hertog:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg/1024px-Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg.png)
India-Bangladesh border used to be a huge mess. And actually enforced one.
Things were significantly cleaned up in 2015 or so.
(https://maps.quickworld.com/maps/qmg/qmg-qzz-odd-006.png)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: hotdogPi on July 03, 2024, 08:20:11 AM
Marion, Illinois

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Williamson_County_Illinois_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Marion_Highlighted.svg/1920px-Williamson_County_Illinois_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Marion_Highlighted.svg.png)

By DemocraticLuntz at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=63582364
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 03, 2024, 10:01:05 AM
City of San Diego has two parts.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/San_Diego_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_San_Diego_Highlighted.svg/2560px-San_Diego_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_San_Diego_Highlighted.svg.png)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: newyooper on July 03, 2024, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 03, 2024, 06:21:27 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 03, 2024, 03:22:05 AMI have never heard of Texas being a poster child for strip annexation, unlike Arizona and Oklahoma.

The city limits of Duncan, Oklahoma (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Duncan,+OK/@34.5294518,-97.9346185,11z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x87ad594711ce42c5:0x8fd324982465e165!8m2!3d34.5023028!4d-97.9578128!16zL20vMHpiOHM?entry=ttu) defy description.

A number of these "strange" annexations have to do with utilities.  It may be illegal to have a home and septic system too close to the lake due to evolving national and/or state laws in wetlands, for example.  However, since the town may have a waste water treatment facility, they annex the area around the lake and hook the homes up to "city" sewer.  Similar, two neighboring towns may unify under the name of one town because one has an existing and up to date water treatment facility, while the other has an aging one that may require a multi-million dollar replacement in the near future.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 03, 2024, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 03, 2024, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 03, 2024, 03:22:05 AM
Quote from: kurumi on July 03, 2024, 01:43:18 AMStamford, TX is a small town north of Abilene.

Its 13 square miles are basically: ~5 square miles around US 277 and TX 6, the main roads through town; 7 square miles on Lake Stamford; and a narrow strip, about 10 miles long and less than 1000 feet wide, connecting them.

Link showing the border: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rkCyV8GbQWR1ZZV26

Looking at the map extract, it seems the city also has exclaves consisting of discrete strips of lakeshore as well as both abutments of the FM 600 bridge across the lake.  I wonder about the history here--I have never heard of Texas being a poster child for strip annexation, unlike Arizona and Oklahoma.
Lots of Texas cities like to annex highway ROWs, mainly to enhance the city coffers with citation revenue.

In states like Oklahoma, many munis like to annex a bunch of public roads in their vicinities to sort of 'stake a claim' on the areas that those roads surround, preserving them as future growth areas for those munis while keeping other munis out.


BTW, one of my favorite city limit lines is that of Springfield, IL.  Internationally, Moscow (as in 'Russia') has an interesting border.


Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: SectorZ on July 03, 2024, 12:16:03 PM
This is where I will again stress the superiority of New England and other northeast states in this respect. Even northern Maine has nothing and still has more sanity than any of these wacky city borders. Massachusetts just has a county with two exclaves (one by design, one due to Boston gobbling up various towns during the 1800's).

My state may have invented gerrymandering, but the spirit lives on in these city borders.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: wxfree on July 03, 2024, 01:23:40 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 03, 2024, 03:22:05 AM
Quote from: kurumi on July 03, 2024, 01:43:18 AMStamford, TX is a small town north of Abilene.

Its 13 square miles are basically: ~5 square miles around US 277 and TX 6, the main roads through town; 7 square miles on Lake Stamford; and a narrow strip, about 10 miles long and less than 1000 feet wide, connecting them.

Link showing the border: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rkCyV8GbQWR1ZZV26

Looking at the map extract, it seems the city also has exclaves consisting of discrete strips of lakeshore as well as both abutments of the FM 600 bridge across the lake.  I wonder about the history here--I have never heard of Texas being a poster child for strip annexation, unlike Arizona and Oklahoma.

That map doesn't show the boundary properly because of the water in the lake. If you look at the Wikipedia page, it shows the entire area of the city, which includes the lake.  The thin strip linking the two is a water line.  The city owns the lake, so annexing it doesn't have any tax or services implications, and allows the city to enforce ordinances there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamford,_Texas

This shows a problem with maps that I wish someone would fix.  Almost all maps attach boundaries to the ground and then assume you can't see them through the water. I recently saw a map of Michigan in a way I never had before (and I've seen a lot of maps).  It showed the area highlighted, the way that Wikipedia map does, but over the whole state, not just the land area.  The Great Lakes are an exception to the rule that water hides boundaries, so I've seen the lines many times, but I'd never seen the whole state treated as a single shape like that.  Something I've still never seen is a map of how far Texas extends into the Gulf of Mexico.  I don't even know a description of what the rules are.  I've seen a legal description of area where the federal government granted title to the state, but that isn't the same thing as territorial jurisdiction.  How much of the Gulf is in Texas?  Is part of it in the United States but not in any state?  I know about national territorial waters, but I know nothing about subnational territories.  Of course the same issues apply in other coastal states, so my questions about maritime Texas are representative.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 03, 2024, 01:47:45 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Solano_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Fairfield_Highlighted_0623182.svg/2408px-Solano_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Fairfield_Highlighted_0623182.svg.png)

Fairfield, California there is a strip that looks like it covers a part of I-80 to connect the two sections of the city.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Solano_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Dixon_Highlighted_0619402.svg)

Another city in Solano county, CA but in this case Dixon had its city limits in two separate parts due to some of the farmland being in the jurisdiction of Solano County. 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/LA_County_Incorporated_Areas_Los_Angeles_highlighted.svg/950px-LA_County_Incorporated_Areas_Los_Angeles_highlighted.svg.png)

Los Angeles city proper where there's a strip that covers I-110 from Downtown to San Pedro districts.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: ZLoth on July 03, 2024, 01:49:39 PM
While the city of Dallas (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dallas,+TX/@32.8208451,-96.896357,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x864c19f77b45974b:0xb9ec9ba4f647678f!8m2!3d32.7766642!4d-96.7969879!16zL20vMGYycnE?entry=ttu) is mostly within Dallas County, portions of the city actually go into nearby Collin, Denton, Kaufman, and Rockwall County. And, if you look at the city border on the east site, there is a narrow strip that goes east toward man-made Lake Ray Hubbard. In addition, Highland Park and University Park which is slightly north of downtown Dallas are two separate (and very expensive communities) completely surrounded by the City of Dallas.

The City of Richardson (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Richardson,+TX/@32.9793759,-96.7060323,13z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x864c1ee979bea767:0x2cdb29c046270495!8m2!3d32.9483335!4d-96.7298519!16zL20vMDEzbTU3?entry=ttu) actually has a panhandle.

Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Bruce on July 03, 2024, 02:15:24 PM
Everett doesn't even bother with a strip connecting the city to its water supply. And, despite having no people, it is still part of a city council district:

(https://i.imgur.com/zjndocK.jpeg)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: flan on July 03, 2024, 02:48:48 PM
Island Park, ID is a good one. ~25 miles end to end, only about ~1000 feet wide for most of its length.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Fremont_County_Idaho_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Island_Park_Highlighted_1640600.svg)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: clong on July 03, 2024, 03:16:28 PM
3 of my favorites. Vestavia's 2 parts are not connected, separated by a cul-de-sac of Mountain Brook, AL.

Birmingham, AL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jefferson_County_Alabama_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Birmingham_Highlighted.svg)

Vestavia Hills, AL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jefferson_County_and_Shelby_County_Alabama_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Vestavia_Hills_Highlighted_0178552.svg)

Hoover, AL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jefferson_County_and_Shelby_County_Alabama_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Hoover_Highlighted_0135896.svg)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 03, 2024, 07:47:26 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on July 03, 2024, 01:49:39 PMWhile the city of Dallas (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dallas,+TX/@32.8208451,-96.896357,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x864c19f77b45974b:0xb9ec9ba4f647678f!8m2!3d32.7766642!4d-96.7969879!16zL20vMGYycnE?entry=ttu) is mostly within Dallas County, portions of the city actually go into nearby Collin, Denton, Kaufman, and Rockwall County. And, if you look at the city border on the east site, there is a narrow strip that goes east toward man-made Lake Ray Hubbard. In addition, Highland Park and University Park which is slightly north of downtown Dallas are two separate (and very expensive communities) completely surrounded by the City of Dallas.

The City of Richardson (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Richardson,+TX/@32.9793759,-96.7060323,13z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x864c1ee979bea767:0x2cdb29c046270495!8m2!3d32.9483335!4d-96.7298519!16zL20vMDEzbTU3?entry=ttu) actually has a panhandle.



That is just like he Cities of Hamtramck and Highland Park, MI, two smallish century old suburbs that are contiguous to each other and completely surrounded by the City of Detroit.

Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: epzik8 on July 03, 2024, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 03, 2024, 01:47:45 PM(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Solano_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Fairfield_Highlighted_0623182.svg/2408px-Solano_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Fairfield_Highlighted_0623182.svg.png)

Fairfield, California there is a strip that looks like it covers a part of I-80 to connect the two sections of the city.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Solano_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Dixon_Highlighted_0619402.svg)

Another city in Solano county, CA but in this case Dixon had its city limits in two separate parts due to some of the farmland being in the jurisdiction of SOlano County. 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/LA_County_Incorporated_Areas_Los_Angeles_highlighted.svg/950px-LA_County_Incorporated_Areas_Los_Angeles_highlighted.svg.png)

Los Angeles city proper where there's a strip that covers I-110 from Downtown to San Pedro districts.

L.A. has always been a favorite example of mine of this.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 03, 2024, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on July 03, 2024, 12:16:03 PMThis is where I will again stress the superiority of New England and other northeast states in this respect. Even northern Maine has nothing and still has more sanity than any of these wacky city borders. Massachusetts just has a county with two exclaves (one by design, one due to Boston gobbling up various towns during the 1800's).

My state may have invented gerrymandering, but the spirit lives on in these city borders.

The Boro of South Hackensack, New Jersey would like a word with you (its three disjointed pieces). We also have "donut hole" towns completely surrounded by another town. One of them is Sussex Boro, which is shaped like an octagon.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bandit957 on July 03, 2024, 10:23:05 PM
Another interesting type of boundary is one that runs right through the middle of an urban neighborhood. For example, O'Fallon Avenue marks the boundary between Bellevue and Dayton but looks like a regular city street. This means people are in a different city from their neighbors across the street.

This is where a woman blew a bubble with bubble gum in two cities at the same time by walking across the street.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Road Hog on July 04, 2024, 02:23:23 AM
A Texas fact of life is a location where you not only live in different municipalities but you also have different zip codes, different landline phone numbers and different school districts. Such is the case of Eastern Denton County.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: ZLoth on July 04, 2024, 07:03:08 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 04, 2024, 02:23:23 AMA Texas fact of life is a location where you not only live in different municipalities but you also have different zip codes, different landline phone numbers and different school districts. Such is the case of Eastern Denton County.

Yup. The eastern half of the DFW area (including Dallas) has the area codes of 214 (1947), 972 (1996), 469 (1999), and 945 (2021, not in active use), while the western half of the DFW area (including Fort Worth) has the area codes of 817 (1953) and 682 (2000), while the part north of Fort Worth (including Denton) was split off into 940 around 1997. East of DFW, we have area codes 903 (1990, and originally a Mexico area code until 1980) and 430 (2003)

Meanwhile, the Houston area, meanwhile, has 713 (1947), 281 (1996), 832 (1999), 346 (2014) and upcoming 621 (2025).

It should be noted that, in 1947, Texas originally had four area codes: 214 (Northeast including DFW), 713 (Southeast including Houston), 512 (South), and 915 (Western and Northwestern Texas).
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: SectorZ on July 04, 2024, 07:10:07 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 03, 2024, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on July 03, 2024, 12:16:03 PMThis is where I will again stress the superiority of New England and other northeast states in this respect. Even northern Maine has nothing and still has more sanity than any of these wacky city borders. Massachusetts just has a county with two exclaves (one by design, one due to Boston gobbling up various towns during the 1800's).

My state may have invented gerrymandering, but the spirit lives on in these city borders.

The Boro of South Hackensack, New Jersey would like a word with you (its three disjointed pieces). We also have "donut hole" towns completely surrounded by another town. One of them is Sussex Boro, which is shaped like an octagon.

New England and other northeast states didn't include NJ.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: GaryV on July 04, 2024, 07:17:22 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on July 03, 2024, 10:23:05 PMAnother interesting type of boundary is one that runs right through the middle of an urban neighborhood

There must be hundreds of these in Metro Detroit. One side of the street is one city/township, the other side is another. And sometimes they have different address systems, so one side's numbers don't line up with the other side at all.


Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: MikeTheActuary on July 04, 2024, 08:04:36 AM
Another one in Alabama -- Rehobeth (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rehobeth,+AL+36301/@31.1450476,-85.4572907,14.25z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x8892f26f249f27cb:0x94d2eb2e8420edc5!8m2!3d31.1229561!4d-85.4527113!16zL20vMHE3cTY?entry=ttu).

(The discontinuous sections of its northeastern "arm" are properties that had not previously requested to be annexed into Dothan.)

One additional piece of trivia -- while poking around to see if the Wikimedia files would work for displaying some of the odd city boundaries I'm aware of around southeastern Alabama, I came to realize that part of Dothan, AL likes outside the Dothan MSA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dothan_metropolitan_area,_Alabama#/map/0).
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on July 04, 2024, 09:33:36 AM
I noticed that same phenomenon with Sikeston, Missouri.

Even over here where (almost) every single square inch of land belongs to a municipality, weird boundaries can still occur. I can think of Albarracín and its many arms separating almost every other municipality in the area from each other (and resulting in many enclaved municipalities), or the area around the A-7/A-35 interchange (looks like they determined from which town was the owner of each plot to draw the boundaries, a la Baarle).
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 04, 2024, 10:53:37 AM
The city of Chicago extends into DuPage County in order to include all of O'Hare in the city.

That by itself is not unusual, but whenever the boundary got drawn, it included some land that was not airport property.

In 2000, Chicago had a population of 2,896,014 in Cook County and 2 in DuPage County.

By 2010, those people (and presumably their house) was gone. I was never able to figure out exactly where the house was.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 04, 2024, 11:07:57 AM
Sort of like State Line Ave in Texarkana, AR/TX (et al)?

Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Scott5114 on July 04, 2024, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 04, 2024, 10:53:37 AMThe city of Chicago extends into DuPage County in order to include all of O'Hare in the city.

That by itself is not unusual, but whenever the boundary got drawn, it included some land that was not airport property.

In 2000, Chicago had a population of 2,896,014 in Cook County and 2 in DuPage County.

By 2010, those people (and presumably their house) was gone. I was never able to figure out exactly where the house was.

Is there a possibility that this might have been the same sort of "fuzzing" of data that led to Monowi, NE temporarily showing a second person living there?
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 04, 2024, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on July 04, 2024, 07:10:07 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 03, 2024, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on July 03, 2024, 12:16:03 PMThis is where I will again stress the superiority of New England and other northeast states in this respect. Even northern Maine has nothing and still has more sanity than any of these wacky city borders. Massachusetts just has a county with two exclaves (one by design, one due to Boston gobbling up various towns during the 1800's).

My state may have invented gerrymandering, but the spirit lives on in these city borders.

The Boro of South Hackensack, New Jersey would like a word with you (its three disjointed pieces). We also have "donut hole" towns completely surrounded by another town. One of them is Sussex Boro, which is shaped like an octagon.

New England and other northeast states didn't include NJ.

NJ is similar to states using the "New England Towns" system. There is no concept of un-incorporated areas here. Everything is in a municipality.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 05, 2024, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 04, 2024, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 04, 2024, 10:53:37 AMThe city of Chicago extends into DuPage County in order to include all of O'Hare in the city.

That by itself is not unusual, but whenever the boundary got drawn, it included some land that was not airport property.

In 2000, Chicago had a population of 2,896,014 in Cook County and 2 in DuPage County.

By 2010, those people (and presumably their house) was gone. I was never able to figure out exactly where the house was.

Is there a possibility that this might have been the same sort of "fuzzing" of data that led to Monowi, NE temporarily showing a second person living there?

No, there was no imputation involved in the Chicago case. There really was a housing unit there at some point.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bandit957 on July 05, 2024, 09:50:13 AM
I thought someone said a long time ago that the residents of Chicago in DuPage County were airport maintenance workers.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: kalvado on July 05, 2024, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on July 05, 2024, 09:50:13 AMI thought someone said a long time ago that the residents of Chicago in DuPage County were airport maintenance workers.
Wasn't there a guy who got stuck between airline refusing to haul him back and CBP not admitting him into the country for a few years?
That is hard to do in US border arrangement though...
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 05, 2024, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on July 05, 2024, 09:50:13 AMI thought someone said a long time ago that the residents of Chicago in DuPage County were airport maintenance workers.

There are no housing units on airport property, so if someone was actually living at the airport, there would have been no way to enumerate them.

I know that there was a housing unit and that it wasn't on airport property. They could have worked at the airport or anywhere else.

I can't remember what Irving Park road looked like in 2000, but some parts of it along the southern edge of O'Hare are within the city limits. My best guess is that there used to be a house along there.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 05, 2024, 02:09:47 PM
No mention of Denver?
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Scott5114 on July 05, 2024, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 05, 2024, 02:09:47 PMNo mention of Denver?

The boundaries of just about everything in Colorado are fucked. The state legislature ought to start from scratch and redraw the county boundaries, especially in the Denver area, because they make so little sense.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Road Hog on July 06, 2024, 12:17:50 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 05, 2024, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 05, 2024, 02:09:47 PMNo mention of Denver?

The boundaries of just about everything in Colorado are fucked. The state legislature ought to start from scratch and redraw the county boundaries, especially in the Denver area, because they make so little sense.

The state was loose enough to create Broomfield County so good luck on your boundary journey.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: cl94 on July 06, 2024, 12:41:02 AM
Boulder City, Nevada is a fun one. The only incorporated city in the state to ban gambling is also Nevada's largest by land area, with city limits extending about 20 miles south of I-11 along US 95. A large percentage of the city's land is undeveloped desert, but much of this is being developed into solar farms.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: J N Winkler on July 06, 2024, 05:13:05 AM
Quote from: kalvado on July 05, 2024, 09:57:15 AMWasn't there a guy who got stuck between airline refusing to haul him back and CBP not admitting him into the country for a few years?

That is hard to do in US border arrangement though...

The original "Terminal Man," Mehran Karimi Nasseri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri), was an Iranian refugee and was living at Charles de Gaulle Airport near Paris.  The nationalities were changed and the setting was moved to New York (JFK) for the film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminal).
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 06, 2024, 10:54:06 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Sonoma_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Santa_Rosa_Highlighted.svg/1000px-Sonoma_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Santa_Rosa_Highlighted.svg.png)This is Santa Rosa, California and there are 5 fragments that is separate from the rest of the city.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 06, 2024, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 05, 2024, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 05, 2024, 02:09:47 PMNo mention of Denver?

The boundaries of just about everything in Colorado are fucked. The state legislature ought to start from scratch and redraw the county boundaries, especially in the Denver area, because they make so little sense.

As an outsider with an interest in 'the city', the Denver. CO area needs a redux of the Poundstone law, to bring the entire metro area, and then some, into a single city and county.

Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Rothman on July 06, 2024, 03:12:04 PM
Syracuse has that fun tiny extension to the west to maintain control over part of its water supply:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/KsJ5nKAVK9kdzhkM7
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: TheCatalyst31 on July 06, 2024, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on July 05, 2024, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on July 05, 2024, 09:50:13 AMI thought someone said a long time ago that the residents of Chicago in DuPage County were airport maintenance workers.

There are no housing units on airport property, so if someone was actually living at the airport, there would have been no way to enumerate them.

I know that there was a housing unit and that it wasn't on airport property. They could have worked at the airport or anywhere else.

I can't remember what Irving Park road looked like in 2000, but some parts of it along the southern edge of O'Hare are within the city limits. My best guess is that there used to be a house along there.

It's possible that whatever housing unit was there got demolished as part of the O'Hare expansion of the past twenty years or so. Part of why that expansion took so long was all the legal wrangling over using eminent domain on nearby land, including a few suburban neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 06, 2024, 04:42:54 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellaire,_Texas


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston

Bellaire, Texas is surrounded by the city of Houston and the city limits of Houston has some strips that connect them to other parts of their city.

San Antonio has holes in its city limits. Some of this is because some of the land belongs to other cities like Balcones Heights, Alamo Heights and Castle Hills. Yes one can be easily forgiven if one thinks these are neighborhoods within San Antonio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balcones_Heights,_Texas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamo_Heights,_Texas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Hills,_Texas

This is like the Los Angeles situation where Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, San Fernando, Culver City, Santa Monica are all separate cities surrounded by the city of Los Angeles proper.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Rothman on July 06, 2024, 05:55:30 PM
Makes me think of Sandy, Utah, where White City is cut out of it:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/JwCp7U32zPCXebqq6

White City's infrastructure is crumbling, however, as they cling onto a rather unfortunate idea that they have their own distinct community.  That mentality is causing them to be in denial about their inability to maintain their drainage/sewer and water utilities.  You can tell where Sandy's jurisdiction ends and theirs begins by the state of things.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 06, 2024, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 06, 2024, 05:55:30 PMMakes me think of Sandy, Utah, where White City is cut out of it:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/JwCp7U32zPCXebqq6

White City's infrastructure is crumbling, however, as they cling onto a rather unfortunate idea that they have their own distinct community.  That mentality is causing them to be in denial about their inability to maintain their drainage/sewer and water utilities.  You can tell where Sandy's jurisdiction ends and theirs begins by the state of things.
White City, Utah how does Salt Lake County respond to the infrastructure situation? Don't they have to step in with maintenance. It's like cities that are separate jurisdictions but surrounded by Los Angeles city proper they are dependent on county resources for protection and infrastructure.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mrsman on July 07, 2024, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 03, 2024, 10:01:05 AMCity of San Diego has two parts.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/San_Diego_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_San_Diego_Highlighted.svg/2560px-San_Diego_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_San_Diego_Highlighted.svg.png)


I beleive there was some rules as to cities being contiguous in California.  Despite the two separate sections of San Diego, they are connected through water in the San Diego Bay.

https://historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1576109/page+030/San+Diego+County+1956/California/

https://historicmapworks.com/Map/US/1576106/page+032/San+Diego+County+1956/California/



Los Angeles also has these types of continuities.  As others on the thread mentioned the famous "shoestring" addition that connects Wilmington/San Pedro to the rest of the city.  But there is also another shoestring that connects Westchester to the rest of the city.  See this corridor along 63rd street just north of Inglewood.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Los+Angeles,+CA/@33.9703193,-118.3934484,12.75z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x80c2c75ddc27da13:0xe22fdf6f254608f4!8m2!3d34.0549076!4d-118.242643!16s%2Fm%2F030qb3t?entry=ttu




While not so apparent in current maps, at one time, this was the only way to bring Westchester into the contiguous city.  Playa Vista was then the Hughes Airport and it was in unincorporated territory.

It was added as part of the West Coast Addition, as seen here:

https://homesteadmuseum.blog/2020/01/31/all-over-the-map-map-showing-annexations-and-boundaries-of-city-of-los-angeles-31-january-1918/

https://geohub.lacity.org/datasets/a548e9c6717c4d3985260ee9598fda78/explore





Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 07, 2024, 05:54:14 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Los_Angeles_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Industry_Highlighted_0636490.svg/2198px-Los_Angeles_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Industry_Highlighted_0636490.svg.png)

City of Industry, California has two parts to its city and it's in a curve.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton,_California

Here's another one Stockton, California has holes inside its city limits. This may be a carryover when parts of the city was farmland and the outlying areas were under the jurisdiction of San Joaquin County.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno,_California

Fresno city limits have holes. Note in California the holes in cities are unincorporated areas under county jurisdiction or a different city in some cases.

Fremont has a hole in its city limits due to Newark, California.

Long Beach, California same thing have a hole in its city limits due to Signal Hill, California.

Rome has a hole because of the Vatican.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 07, 2024, 09:44:53 PM
The limit line of the City of Industry was drawn as such to have no residents inside of its borders.  Ooops, they did get a few hundred anyways.

 :-P

Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: jb_va23 on July 10, 2024, 10:50:06 PM
My parent's lived in Bixby, OK for a few years.. a suburb in Southern Tulsa County. However, they did not actually live in the City Limits of Bixby. They lived in unincorporated Tulsa county within Bixby's fenceline.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EjynDU9W8LJRMxM97 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/EjynDU9W8LJRMxM97)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bandit957 on July 13, 2024, 12:57:32 PM
Springfield, Illinois, is weird.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: CoreySamson on July 13, 2024, 01:39:15 PM
Alvin, TX, (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin,+TX/@29.3939325,-95.4362238,11.37z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x86405ef64ba505df:0x5994eb37447891c9!8m2!3d29.4238472!4d-95.2441009!16zL20vMF95azI?entry=ttu) has always been extremely weird to me. According to Wikipedia, the weird border around it is to stop other communities from annexing it and has been that way since 1960.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on July 13, 2024, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on July 13, 2024, 12:57:32 PMSpringfield, Illinois, is weird.
Yes and Springfield has a hole in its city limits.
 there is a Woodside, Illinois inside Springfield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodside_Township,_Sangamon_County,_Illinois
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: Mr_Northside on July 18, 2024, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 13, 2024, 02:26:07 PMYes and Springfield has a hole in its city limits.
 there is a Woodside, Illinois inside Springfield.

Pittsburgh has that as well.  The Borough of Mount Oliver is entirely surrounded by the City of Pittsburgh.

For unusual boundaries, I'd nominate Allegheny County's own (and Pittsburgh adjacent in spots) Borough of Baldwin.  Both me and a friend of mine agree that it's kind of the "Maryland" of Allegheny County.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/osmBhEjYLAc34Qux7

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Map_of_Allegheny_County_PA_Highlighting_BaldwinBorough.png)
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 18, 2024, 04:31:49 PM
Denver has ten different holes - 7 from Arapahoe County and 3 from Jefferson. One of the Arapahoe County exclaves also has a Denver enclave within it.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 19, 2024, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 18, 2024, 04:31:49 PMDenver has ten different holes - 7 from Arapahoe County and 3 from Jefferson. One of the Arapahoe County exclaves also has a Denver enclave within it.

ISTR that one of those Denver 'exclaves' is a one lot triangle in a suburban commercial area.

Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 19, 2024, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 19, 2024, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 18, 2024, 04:31:49 PMDenver has ten different holes - 7 from Arapahoe County and 3 from Jefferson. One of the Arapahoe County exclaves also has a Denver enclave within it.

ISTR that one of those Denver 'exclaves' is a one lot triangle in a suburban commercial area.

Mike

Yep. There's a lot of weirdness, especially the stuff around Glendale which is a city that basically exists so that a strip club and dispensary can have their own closing times that other cities aren't allowed to have.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: mgk920 on July 19, 2024, 12:30:43 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 19, 2024, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 19, 2024, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on July 18, 2024, 04:31:49 PMDenver has ten different holes - 7 from Arapahoe County and 3 from Jefferson. One of the Arapahoe County exclaves also has a Denver enclave within it.

ISTR that one of those Denver 'exclaves' is a one lot triangle in a suburban commercial area.

Mike

Yep. There's a lot of weirdness, especially the stuff around Glendale which is a city that basically exists so that a strip club and dispensary can have their own closing times that other cities aren't allowed to have.

That's one of the reasons why I said upthread that one of the best things that can happen in Colorado is for there to be a redux of the Poundstone law to create a single city and county that covers all of metro Denver and then some.

Mike
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bandit957 on July 19, 2024, 12:36:30 PM
Enormous consolidated cities can easily create problems.

Thirty years ago, it would have forced the central cities to cater to the suburbs, which had all the money. Now it would force rural areas to cater to the cities, which now have all the money, due to gentrification.

Both situations are bad.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: vdeane on July 19, 2024, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on July 19, 2024, 12:36:30 PMEnormous consolidated cities can easily create problems.

Thirty years ago, it would have forced the central cities to cater to the suburbs, which had all the money. Now it would force rural areas to cater to the cities, which now have all the money, due to gentrification.

Both situations are bad.
And in Canada where such consolidated municipalities are common, I believe such situations regularly come up in Ottawa and Toronto.  Québec even had to allow some to split, although they also have the added issue of language demographics.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bandit957 on July 24, 2024, 12:20:46 PM
Some of the boundaries used by the census bureau do not agree with boundaries used by local government websites that are just as detailed.
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: bing101 on September 19, 2024, 12:49:15 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Santa_Clara_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Palo_Alto_Highlighted.svg/2560px-Santa_Clara_County_California_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Palo_Alto_Highlighted.svg.png)

Palo Alto, California has two parts for its city limits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto,_California
Title: Re: Municipalities with unusual boundaries
Post by: lepidopteran on September 20, 2024, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on July 03, 2024, 10:02:10 PMThe Boro of South Hackensack, New Jersey would like a word with you (its three disjointed pieces). We also have "donut hole" towns completely surrounded by another town. One of them is Sussex Boro, which is shaped like an octagon.
The boro of Hightstown is exactly like that. It is surrounded by my childhood hometown of East Windsor Township.