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Title: Helene
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Looks like Tallahassee will get hit with a Cat Four. Plus Atlanta will get hit with either a Cat One or Tropical Storm despite its distance inland.
 This is another Charley in 04, and moving so fast the 200 miles won't be able to slow it down quickly.

In fact Chattanooga may feel Tropical Storm force winds as it is beelining up the West side of Georgia.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on September 26, 2024, 06:45:00 PM
Really scary situation, reminiscent of Michael.

https://x.com/WillWeatherRVA/status/1839432087620710500
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2024, 07:12:15 PM
And in Lakeland, Florida we have the winds also placing us in the eastern reaches creating Tornado situations.

The storm is going to follow I-75 on its West side and go right up the state.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: roadman65 on September 26, 2024, 09:46:13 PM
According to Chanel 13 in Tampa a guide sign fell on a motorist killing them.

Just a normal freeway guide on I-4 did that.

Then WFLA had this
https://www.wfla.com/news/hillsborough-county/live-traffic-cameras-show-downed-road-sign-on-i-4-near-ybor-city/
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: bing101 on September 27, 2024, 02:39:31 PM
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/2-children-in-washington-county-dead-after-tropical-storm-helene/93-fae1df6f-c0c2-45a4-a7a3-4eaab9cbdb2e

Georgia faces fallout from Helene.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on September 27, 2024, 03:39:39 PM
Lake Lure Dam in NC is close to failure but holding.

Walters Dam in NC has failed and Newport, TN (downstream on the Pigeon River) is flooding.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: epzik8 on September 27, 2024, 03:42:07 PM
Am guessing this situation is not exactly typical for the inland south
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: 1995hoo on September 27, 2024, 03:47:41 PM
https://x.com/wxbrad/status/1839731792904896750
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 27, 2024, 03:52:35 PM
I just clinched this section of I-40 on Sunday.  :-o

And for the closure east of I-81 in TN: https://www.wbir.com/article/traffic/i-40-closed-tennessee-portion-destroyed-flooding-north-carolina/51-db105fd4-e829-45ff-87c5-12f6b40b3afa
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 27, 2024, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 27, 2024, 03:47:41 PMhttps://x.com/wxbrad/status/1839731792904896750

https://x.com/MargoinWNC/status/1839770320791843041

https://x.com/peeweetreasures/status/1839765243180003413

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1839729855841349776

https://x.com/MrBlankName_/status/1839760358564626617
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 27, 2024, 05:36:42 PM
I wonder if Hurricane Helene will follow the coast going northeast to Philly and NYC or taking the same path as Hurricane Hazel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Hazel) in 1954, 70 years ago?
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on September 27, 2024, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on September 27, 2024, 05:36:42 PMI wonder if Hurricane Helene will follow the coast going northeast to Philly and NYC or taking the same path as Hurricane Hazel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Hazel) in 1954, 70 years ago?

It won't.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: Rothman on September 27, 2024, 08:39:13 PM
Huh.  Spaghetti model is very interesting:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2024/09/27/helene-tracker-path-hurricane-tropical-storm/75403283007/
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 28, 2024, 02:50:44 AM
Well, Helene took out a bridge on TN-107.

Title: Re: Helene
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 28, 2024, 04:27:04 AM
I-26 is GONE in Unicoi County, TN.


This would be just north of Exit 40.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: ZLoth on September 28, 2024, 08:57:13 AM
I saw this image on Windy (https://www.windy.com/?25.665,-84.834,9) yesterday, and could not resist the meme...

(https://i.ibb.co/qgWtSvr/Eye-of-Helene.png)

I had a friend who just closed and moved into their home in Tallahassee just two weeks ago. Thankfully, not much damage although as of yesterday, they had no power. A nearby cousin, however, had a tree fall into their home at the bedroom.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: Hunty2022 on September 28, 2024, 06:25:51 PM
The town of Chimney Rock, NC is pretty much gone... all my thoughts and prayers go out to all of Western NC/Eastern TN and everyone affected.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: bing101 on September 28, 2024, 09:10:39 PM
https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/greene-countys-highway-107-kinser-bridge-collapses-into-nolichucky/

Theres a bridge collapse that took place during Helene as it hit Tennessee.




Title: Re: Helene
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 28, 2024, 09:27:14 PM
Quote from: bing101 on September 28, 2024, 09:10:39 PMTheres a bridge collapse that took place during Helene as it hit Tennessee.


Already had posted about that bridge.

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on September 28, 2024, 02:50:44 AMWell, Helene took out a bridge on TN-107.

Title: Re: Helene
Post by: roadman65 on September 30, 2024, 04:56:26 PM
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrNZN4qEPtmKqkkhwdEDN04;_ylc=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--?pvid=v6TxdDEyNy7fenTEZuQj3wAzMjYwMwAAAABrctB4&ei=UTF-8&type=type9074351-atm-dGFnSjA1MTMwNS1XZWF0aGVyUmFkYXI-f5f875d8879ff96162815fcd5e9e4727&fr=yhs-at-009&param1=dGFnSjA1MTMwNS1XZWF0aGVyUmFkYXIsd2VhdGhlciwsVVMsZmwsLG1vYmlsZQ&param2=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&hsimp=yhsm-009&hspart=at&gprid=&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Aw%2Cm%3Asa%2Csa_mk%3A13&p=six+flags+georgia+flooded+photos&mkr=13

Dumbass Motorola phone copied a very long link address.

Six Flags over Georgia damage. Rollercoasters submerged
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: 1995hoo on September 30, 2024, 05:40:02 PM
You know you can use URL tags to change that so as to post useful text instead of a wall of gibberish? Use the following form:

[url=long string of gibberish you copied]Your description of the link[/url]
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 01, 2024, 10:40:01 PM
Close up of the I-26 bridge washout.

Title: Re: Helene
Post by: Henry on October 01, 2024, 11:26:02 PM
That certainly was a very rare storm, where the mountainous inland areas (especially the ones between Asheville and Atlanta) ended up taking far more damage than the coastal ones did. Normally, it's the other way around where Charleston, Wilmington and the Outer Banks would've faced a long recovery period by now, but not this time.

(Well, the Gulf Coast also took a big hit, but still...)
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: JayhawkCO on October 02, 2024, 11:16:54 AM
Seeing reports on the bird app that I-40 is projected to be closed until the end of 2025.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: TheGrassGuy on October 04, 2024, 01:23:20 PM
Wonder if they can have both directions go along one side of I-40 as a bandaid solution
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2024, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 02, 2024, 11:16:54 AMSeeing reports on the bird app that I-40 is projected to be closed until the end of 2025.

We have very competent people running the USDOT until at least mid-January, so we'll have to wait and see how this plays out long term.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: kalvado on October 04, 2024, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2024, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 02, 2024, 11:16:54 AMSeeing reports on the bird app that I-40 is projected to be closed until the end of 2025.

We have very competent people running the USDOT until at least mid-January, so we'll have to wait and see how this plays out long term.
Just wonder what makes you think "very competent"?
For one, I remember frequency allocation fiasco culminating in the end of 2022, when FAA - part of federal DOT - acted as a crowd of kindergarten kids without a responsible  adult in charge.
And as far as I know, FAA hires college grads with GPA of at least 2.1
Not too high of a bar I should say
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PM
The media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.  Just like Katrina didn't only destroy lives in NOLA, but the Mississippi Gulf Coast got hit hard by the storm.

How about Perry, Florida that got hit with three storms in 13 months? What about Tallahassee or Atlanta.

This media needs to report the actual facts and not give some of them.  Katrina I would expect that due to NOLA being a major US city and a Republican sitting POTUS for that city area only to be considered the damage of that storm, but not the areas only being talked about now.

Plus why are floods now totalling cars when my 85 Mustang got into a flood and all the insurance did was force me to a car detailing place and take out the carpets and seat covers and just let them dry out in the sun. They never wrote my car as a loss and gave me blue book value to buy a new car costing more than that crap. They let me keep my car and repaired the damage.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: JayhawkCO on October 04, 2024, 03:48:01 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMThe media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.  Just like Katrina didn't only destroy lives in NOLA, but the Mississippi Gulf Coast got hit hard by the storm.

How about Perry, Florida that got hit with three storms in 13 months? What about Tallahassee or Atlanta.

This media needs to report the actual facts and not give some of them.  Katrina I would expect that due to NOLA being a major US city and a Republican sitting POTUS for that city area only to be considered the damage of that storm, but not the areas only being talked about now.

Plus why are floods now totalling cars when my 85 Mustang got into a flood and all the insurance did was force me to a car detailing place and take out the carpets and seat covers and just let them dry out in the sun. They never wrote my car as a loss and gave me blue book value to buy a new car costing more than that crap. They let me keep my car and repaired the damage.

I think part of it is, if you live in Florida, sucks to be you, but you live in Florida. It's not shocking when Florida gets heavy damage from a hurricane with almost the whole state being near the coast and being as flat as a pancake. Living 300+ miles away from the coast, at least to my recollection, has never been as impacted by a hurricane as has been with Helene.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2024, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMThe media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.  Just like Katrina didn't only destroy lives in NOLA, but the Mississippi Gulf Coast got hit hard by the storm.

How about Perry, Florida that got hit with three storms in 13 months? What about Tallahassee or Atlanta.

This media needs to report the actual facts and not give some of them.  Katrina I would expect that due to NOLA being a major US city and a Republican sitting POTUS for that city area only to be considered the damage of that storm, but not the areas only being talked about now.

Media coverage sucks, and rolls into only the most heavily damaged areas, or those with lots of money.  When we had a tornado cut thru 12 miles of Gloucester County, NJ, the media centered on where the tornado first started, in a fairly ritzy area where a few homes were destroyed. Only after I started driving around did I realize the path of destruction destroyed several other areas that were never mentioned.

To expand on this:  GoFundMe Pages.  For that tornado, several sprang up immediately.  I always suspected some of these were spam accounts.  People donated.  Yet, I never, ever heard anyone ever saying they were recipients of some funds from these campaigns. Nothing was ever posted, such as on several Facebook pages that were being used to help recruit volunteers (of which I did help out some people clearing trees and limbs and such).

Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMPlus why are floods now totalling cars when my 85 Mustang got into a flood and all the insurance did was force me to a car detailing place and take out the carpets and seat covers and just let them dry out in the sun. They never wrote my car as a loss and gave me blue book value to buy a new car costing more than that crap. They let me keep my car and repaired the damage.

Simple:  Electronics. 
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: vdeane on October 04, 2024, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMThe media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.
Because inland places that are cut off from the rest of the world are newsworthy.  A few homes flattened in Florida from a hurricane is Tuesday (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButForMeItWasTuesday).  Guess what?  Even if the devastation was limited to the Florida damage, it would not have gotten this kind of attention.  The media would instead be reporting on something completely different.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: Scott5114 on October 05, 2024, 07:15:25 AM
Quote from: vdeane on October 04, 2024, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMThe media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.
Because inland places that are cut off from the rest of the world are newsworthy.  A few homes flattened in Florida from a hurricane is Tuesday (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButForMeItWasTuesday).  Guess what?  Even if the devastation was limited to the Florida damage, it would not have gotten this kind of attention.  The media would instead be reporting on something completely different.

Or to use the commonly used aphorism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_bites_dog) as applies to journalism, "When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often. But if a man bites a dog, that is news."

Same reason the freak hurricane that hit Southern California and Las Vegas (well, Mt. Charleston) last year made national news. Las Vegas is not well known for getting hurricanes. And why you don't hear much about Oklahoma tornadoes unless they're EF4 or better.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: Rothman on October 05, 2024, 11:46:57 AM
Floridians have hurricane parties.  The Smokies don't.  Therein lies a key difference.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: SectorZ on October 05, 2024, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMPlus why are floods now totalling cars when my 85 Mustang got into a flood and all the insurance did was force me to a car detailing place and take out the carpets and seat covers and just let them dry out in the sun. They never wrote my car as a loss and gave me blue book value to buy a new car costing more than that crap. They let me keep my car and repaired the damage.

Because too many insurers tried to have people repair badly flood damaged cars with disastrous results.

Case in specific point that I adjusted from Hurricane Dennis in 2005. Insured had a garage-under flooded with two cars in it. One of my company's appraisers totaled one out right away with $15K damage on a $25K vehicle value. The other car, worth $40K, had $15K in damages as well and was rendered "repairable". Poor owner had the car repaired, and over two months the repair shop sunk $15K plus another $21K in supplements (approved by the appraiser) to eventually hit $36K in repairs on a $40K car, that by the end they could not successfully repair. By the end, my company paid out $76K to not repair a $40K car, along with having a trusted appraiser that feared for his employment thru the debacle because he followed company guidelines.

TL/DR, total it and let some dummy buy it at Copart, and hope someone down the road knows the used car they bought was drowned in a storm.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 06, 2024, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMThe media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.  Just like Katrina didn't only destroy lives in NOLA, but the Mississippi Gulf Coast got hit hard by the storm.

How about Perry, Florida that got hit with three storms in 13 months? What about Tallahassee or Atlanta.

This media needs to report the actual facts and not give some of them.  Katrina I would expect that due to NOLA being a major US city and a Republican sitting POTUS for that city area only to be considered the damage of that storm, but not the areas only being talked about now.

Plus why are floods now totalling cars when my 85 Mustang got into a flood and all the insurance did was force me to a car detailing place and take out the carpets and seat covers and just let them dry out in the sun. They never wrote my car as a loss and gave me blue book value to buy a new car costing more than that crap. They let me keep my car and repaired the damage.
Local media is reporting this quite a lot. The thing is Tennessee and North Carolina are getting the worst of it, so they're getting more of the attention.

Title: Re: Helene
Post by: CtrlAltDel on October 07, 2024, 10:22:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 04, 2024, 02:58:45 PMThe media doesn't seem to report the other paces that got destroyed. My sister lives in Bradenton, Florida and her house is near Perricio Sound and her neighborhood got a massive storm surge which not only flooded her downstairs destroying her floors and furniture, but both her cars are totalled. Holmes Beach, Florida suffered big losses being directly on the Gulf.

The media instead acts like Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina are the only places devastated by this storm.  Just like Katrina didn't only destroy lives in NOLA, but the Mississippi Gulf Coast got hit hard by the storm.

How about Perry, Florida that got hit with three storms in 13 months? What about Tallahassee or Atlanta.

This media needs to report the actual facts and not give some of them.  Katrina I would expect that due to NOLA being a major US city and a Republican sitting POTUS for that city area only to be considered the damage of that storm, but not the areas only being talked about now.

Unfortunately, Florida will soon be back in the hurricane-damage news.
Title: Re: Helene
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 08, 2024, 01:54:41 AM
Well, progress at getting 'some' of I-40 reopened.

The damaged TN segment between exits 447 & 451 is being converted to 2-way, and will reopen sometime next week.

Title: Re: Helene
Post by: JayhawkCO on October 14, 2024, 06:11:11 PM
A drone shot of the Blue Ridge Parkway with Helene damage.

https://x.com/matt_vanswol/status/1845913514814140427