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Title: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: ZLoth on October 19, 2024, 05:33:38 PM
From CNBC Sports:

Why bars and restaurants are shedding 'Sunday Ticket' subscriptions
QuoteAs most NFL fans know, Google's YouTube replaced DirecTV last year as the exclusive provider of "Sunday Ticket." YouTube ended DirecTV's nearly 30-year exclusive ownership of the out-of-market games package by paying the NFL $2 billion per year.

What's less known is the YouTube deal only applies to residential customers. DirecTV still provides bars, restaurants, small businesses and hotels with game access — but it no longer has the exclusive rights. That changed last year, too. Those additional rights are owned by EverPass Media, a new joint venture co-owned by the NFL and private equity firm RedBird Capital Partners.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://markholtz.info/2w5)
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: SP Cook on October 20, 2024, 09:44:57 AM
There are over a million bars, not to mention other places like country clubs, cigar lounges, vape shops, etc.  where people can congregate and watch football.  The vast majority of them run by "mom and pop".  Many of them being neighborhood places where the patrons all know each other.

No way DirecTV or Ever Pass media can police 2% of them.  So pay 1000s of $$ for a commercial account, or just get the "residential only" YouTube package, or just use someone else's password, and pay less than $300.

Pretty easy decision. 

Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: ZLoth on October 20, 2024, 10:26:34 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on October 20, 2024, 09:44:57 AMThere are over a million bars, not to mention other places like country clubs, cigar lounges, vape shops, etc.  where people can congregate and watch football.  The vast majority of them run by "mom and pop".  Many of them being neighborhood places where the patrons all know each other.

Of those, how many of them rely strictly on over-the-air for the local team and Sunday Night Football?
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: formulanone on October 20, 2024, 11:04:02 AM
QuoteA bar/restaurant that can fit more than 10,001 people has to pay $306,200 for the season.

Help me out here, what kind of singular place has that many patrons? Or would that be for all, say...Chili's Restaurants nationwide?
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2024, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 20, 2024, 11:04:02 AM
QuoteA bar/restaurant that can fit more than 10,001 people has to pay $306,200 for the season.

Help me out here, what kind of singular place has that many patrons? Or would that be for all, say...Chili's Restaurants nationwide?

I'd argue maybe a casino? Just because all of those TVs in public spaces would be part of the same entity?
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 21, 2024, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on October 21, 2024, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 20, 2024, 11:04:02 AM
QuoteA bar/restaurant that can fit more than 10,001 people has to pay $306,200 for the season.

Help me out here, what kind of singular place has that many patrons? Or would that be for all, say...Chili's Restaurants nationwide?

I'd argue maybe a casino? Just because all of those TVs in public spaces would be part of the same entity?

Any place like that is probably negotiating their own deal.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: SectorZ on October 21, 2024, 07:03:25 PM
Was it just my Firefox browser effing with me, or does CNBC need to learn how to break up stories into paragraphs?
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: vdeane on October 21, 2024, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 21, 2024, 07:03:25 PMWas it just my Firefox browser effing with me, or does CNBC need to learn how to break up stories into paragraphs?
It is broken up into paragraphs, but they're not indented, so the extra line width in between them isn't the most obvious.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: roadman65 on October 21, 2024, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 21, 2024, 07:03:25 PMWas it just my Firefox browser effing with me, or does CNBC need to learn how to break up stories into paragraphs?

I noticed that there are spaces between the paragraphs. So maybe it's Firefox.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: ZLoth on October 21, 2024, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 21, 2024, 07:03:25 PMWas it just my Firefox browser effing with me, or does CNBC need to learn how to break up stories into paragraphs?

Unable to replicate in Chrome, Firefox, or Edge.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 25, 2024, 07:58:38 AM
Quote from: formulanone on October 20, 2024, 11:04:02 AM
QuoteA bar/restaurant that can fit more than 10,001 people has to pay $306,200 for the season.

Help me out here, what kind of singular place has that many patrons? Or would that be for all, say...Chili's Restaurants nationwide?

If that were the case though, that wouldn't be that high a price if you split it among all Chili's locations.

Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: ZLoth on October 25, 2024, 12:41:30 PM
The NFL Commercial License fee is based upon the fire code occupancy of a commercial facility.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: SSOWorld on November 24, 2024, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 25, 2024, 12:41:30 PMThe NFL Commercial License fee is based upon the fire code occupancy of a commercial facility.
So like stadiums, fill it, or it gets blacked out at home.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: Big John on November 24, 2024, 11:10:24 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 24, 2024, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 25, 2024, 12:41:30 PMThe NFL Commercial License fee is based upon the fire code occupancy of a commercial facility.
So like stadiums, fill it, or it gets blacked out at home.
That rule was recently repealed.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: KeithE4Phx on November 25, 2024, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on November 24, 2024, 08:24:37 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on October 25, 2024, 12:41:30 PMThe NFL Commercial License fee is based upon the fire code occupancy of a commercial facility.
So like stadiums, fill it, or it gets blacked out at home.

As a general rule, the NFL got rid of blackouts during COVID and they never came back as a mandatory thing. 

An individual team can enforce a blackout if they're not anywhere close to selling out, but I believe they're only allowed to do so a few games per year.  Tampa Bay blacked out their home game vs the 49ers a couple weeks ago, but I don't recall any others this season so far.  Why they were that foolish, I have no idea. 

Blackouts were never in the fans' or the teams' best interest.  The NFL gets over half of its revenue from the TV networks.  If a team locks out its home audience because it's not sold out (almost an irrelevancy), it only hurts itself.
Title: Re: Why bars and restaurants are shedding ‘Sunday Ticket’ subscriptions
Post by: ZLoth on November 25, 2024, 06:39:17 AM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 25, 2024, 12:20:02 AMAs a general rule, the NFL got rid of blackouts during COVID and they never came back as a mandatory thing.

Actually, it was much earlier than that. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_television_blackout_policies, prior to the 1973 season, the NFL games were blacked out on all stations within a 75 mile radius of the stadium being played even if it was sold out. From 1973-2011, the blackout restrictions were lifted if the game was sold out, and from 2012-2014, it was 85% capacity.

Quote from: KeithE4Phx on November 25, 2024, 12:20:02 AMTampa Bay blacked out their home game vs the 49ers a couple weeks ago, but I don't recall any others this season so far. Why they were that foolish, I have no idea.

Per the NFL rules, if more than 4 games a year go up against a local team's home game, the local team can start demanding the opposing game be blacked out. Per https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2024&wk=10, Fox had the single game that week, and it was the San Francisco @ Tampa Bay. CBS had a doubleheader, and it was Pittsburgh @ Washington for the early game and Philadelphia @ Dallas for the late game for Florida.