It's that time of year again where some turkey in Texas starts up that "Who is working Thanksgiving Day?" thread again. Lets see here, we have the Original (2013) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10941.0), II (2014) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14048.0), III (2015) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16895.0), IV (2016) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=19145.0), V (2017) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=21620.0), VI (2018) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23915.0), VII (2019) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26004.0), Coronavirus (2020) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28012.0), IX (2021) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=30596.0), X (2022) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32466.0), and XI (2023) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34091.msg2881783).
The original thread was created over a decade ago because people were complaining that "the retailers were open and making the retail workers WORK", not realizing that other people were also earning a paycheck during the United States Thanksgiving holiday. Plus, we have the following sports (All Times Eastern):
- 12:30 PM - NFL on CBS: Chicago Bears at Detroit Lions
- 4:30 PM - NFL on FOX: New York Giants at Dallas Cowboys
- 6:30 PM - College Football on ESPN: Memphis @ Tulane
- 8:20 PM - NFL on NBC: Miami Dolphins at Green Bay Packers (Miami played on Black Friday last year)
- Friday @ 3:00 PM - NFL on Amazon: Las Vegas Raiders at Kansas City Chiefs
- No NBA or NHL Games on Thursday, November 28th
NOTE: The Detroit Lions host the Green Bay Packers the following Thursday. Cowboys host the Bengals on the following Monday.
(https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F57nvp5owhh141.jpg)
For the first time in years, I am taking the entire f-ing week off.
We open at 7 AM on Black Friday. At this rate it isn't too far removed from being just a normal day.
I suspect that a large number of those in the service industry here in Wisconsin will be working this Thanksgiving. :nod:
Mike
Took the day after off this year.
Last year worked it so others could take it off.
I get Thursday and Friday off as paid holidays. I wanted to take the whole week off, but I'm taking a couple of weeks off before then.
Too early to say.
Just another regular day over here, so that is what I'll be doing.
I have Thursday and Friday as paid holidays. Supposed to have Veterans Day as well, but the guy I work for was making noise about demanding we work November 11 to "make up for" the day after Thanksgiving.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2024, 08:28:57 AMI have Thursday and Friday as paid holidays. Supposed to have Veterans Day as well, but the guy I work for was making noise about demanding we work November 11 to "make up for" the day after Thanksgiving.
What a great employer.
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 08:29:55 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2024, 08:28:57 AMI have Thursday and Friday as paid holidays. Supposed to have Veterans Day as well, but the guy I work for was making noise about demanding we work November 11 to "make up for" the day after Thanksgiving.
What a great employer.
In general, he's fine, but for some reason he has what I deem an utterly irrational dislike of holidays, any holidays.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2024, 08:32:18 AMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 08:29:55 AMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2024, 08:28:57 AMI have Thursday and Friday as paid holidays. Supposed to have Veterans Day as well, but the guy I work for was making noise about demanding we work November 11 to "make up for" the day after Thanksgiving.
What a great employer.
In general, he's fine, but for some reason he has what I deem an utterly irrational dislike of holidays, any holidays.
In the meantime, my employer refuses to make the Day After Thanksgiving a holiday, rather making Election Day a "floating holiday," which many use to take off the Day After Thanksgiving anyway, while those who actually work the day in the office really don't do anything other than wait for calls to do work that never come.
I don't much like to use the trite, overused word "epic," but the guy at my office threw what I can only call one of the most epic tantrums I've ever seen when June 19 was made a holiday a few years ago (although a major part of his complaint was the fairly legitimate gripe that it was done with less than 24 hours' notice). He complained that it will completely change the summer travel season because people will want to take their vacation between then and July 4. To which my response was, so what? If they have to take leave time to go on vacation, it makes eminent sense to do it then because having another holiday at the other end gets you extra time off. Look at next year: June 19 is on a Thursday and July 4 is on a Friday. So someone could take ten days off and effectively go 18 days between workdays (last day before vacation June 18, first day back July 7). That's just smart planning to me.
Now, this guy at my office was talking about wanting us to work on June 19 next year and instead we would just be closed July 3 for a four-day weekend. I'm happy to make that trade next year because June 19 is on Thursday and we would not have Friday off. In 2026, however, July 4 is on Saturday (so we get July 3) and June 19 is on Friday. That year I would push back against trading days because I'd rather have two three-day weekends than one four-day weekend.
Less than 24 hour notice that a holiday is...tomorrow? Weird.
Need a real holiday between Presidents' Day and Memorial Day, too.
My upcoming vacation is built around Election Day and Veterans' Day. Not that I don't have oodles of vacation time anyway, I'm p to six or seven weeks a year now. We started getting Juneteenth off a few years ago, but we've lost two holidays this year: the first Monday in February as a separate Lincoln's Birthday, and Columbus Day.
The odd thing is, we get only half of Christmas Eve off, unless the County Executive gives it to us as a bonus. (We did July 5th as a bonus this year.) Most of the time we do get that extra half day, but we don't always. It usually depends on the Executive, and his mood that year.
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMLess than 24 hour notice that a holiday is...tomorrow? Weird.
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I certainly agree with that. Biden signed the bill making it a holiday into law on June 17, 2021. It took effect immediately. Because June 19 was a Saturday that year, it meant June 18 was a holiday. Some parts of the US government nevertheless didn't observe it that year for practical reasons—for example, courts that had hearings or trial proceedings scheduled for which counsel had already traveled such that rescheduling would have been unreasonable or posed a serious financial burden.
I was surprised because when they made Martin Luther King's Birthday a federal holiday, the law was enacted in 1983 but the holiday was first observed in 1986. Gave government agencies, private sector choosing to observe it, etc., time to plan for it. Even a one-year delay makes a lot more sense than signing it into law in the afternoon to begin the next day.
Well I'm flying to Japan on Thanksgiving Day and spending the next nine days out there into the first part of December.
My employer anyways always gives us Thursday and Friday off plus the weekend. It's the Christmas schedule that's more interesting this year. We have to work Monday and Tuesday (Christmas Eve) and then we get Wednesday-Sunday off with Christmas and Dec 26 paid. Then we have to work on Monday and Tuesday (New Year's Eve) before getting just New Year's Day off before heading back to work on Jan 2.
In general we get New Year's, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas as the only paid holidays.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2024, 08:28:57 AMdemanding we work November 11 to "make up for" the day after Thanksgiving
When I worked at Chrysler / DaimlerChrysler / Cerberus we had a floating Veteran's Day holiday. It always seemed to fall on the Friday immediately before Deer Season Opening Day.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 03, 2024, 11:28:25 AMHe complained that it will completely change the summer travel season because people will want to take their vacation between then and July 4. To which my response was, so what?
He was probably used to the existing rhythm of how many people are in the office when and had things set up around that which would need to be changed.
I will be working Thanksgiving same as any other Thursday. We can either choose to get paid extra for that day or to take the holiday at some other time that is convenient for the company that can be scheduled in advance. I'm trying to get a few days off around New Years, but we'll see how that goes...this company is very picky with taking off work in winter.
Quote from: US 89 on November 04, 2024, 03:51:58 AMI will be working Thanksgiving same as any other Thursday. We can either choose to get paid extra for that day or to take the holiday at some other time that is convenient for the company that can be scheduled in advance. I'm trying to get a few days off around New Years, but we'll see how that goes...this company is very picky with taking off work in winter.
I mean... it doesn't get any more scheduled in advance than "the 4th Thursday of November every year".
Thursday and Friday are paid holidays for me, but I'm on call 24/7 so if we have bad weather or some other crisis in my little corner of Kentucky, I'll have to do some work. Otherwise, I'm off but have no travel plans.
It's a paid holiday for us, but I'm working. I get to take a future day off in lieu.
All of this is fine by me since I'm not working the whole day and I enjoy the work anyway.
Off Thursday through Sunday.
I plan to spend the four-day weekend in San Diego, so there's my answer.
Quote from: ZLoth on November 02, 2024, 06:52:21 PMFor the first time in years, I am taking the entire f-ing week off.
Because of a medical issue, my Thanksgiving break begins tomorrow. While I only need Wednesday and Thursday off, whats the point of working Friday before taking the entire week off again?
We're closed.
We're closed Thursday and Friday.
AND we're closed 12/25 through 01/01. Now in my second year here, I'm still getting used to that one after 32 years in the private sector. I asked my boss about it last year -- what if someone needs something? You don't understand, she patiently said -- we're closed. Nobody is here. Nobody is asking for anything. If there's a personal issue (I'm in Payroll) it will wait until we return.
I believe I'm off Thursday, but not Friday.
Quote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
Quote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Quote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
The latter is properly called Washington's Birthday, at least if you're referring to the federal holiday.
Quote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Key word was
real holidays, though. :-P
Easter, then. The only reason it's not a legal holiday is because it always falls on Sunday.
Quote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 09:07:08 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Key word was real holidays, though. :-P
Washington's Birthday is definitely a real holiday.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2024, 09:23:25 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 09:07:08 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Key word was real holidays, though. :-P
Washington's Birthday is definitely a real holiday.
Good Friday. I get the day off, so it's real to me.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2024, 09:23:25 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 09:07:08 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Key word was real holidays, though. :-P
Washington's Birthday is definitely a real holiday.
Depending on how you define it. It's a real
federal holiday, but it's not one of the big six holidays observed by the majority of the workforce.
Quote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 10:17:30 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2024, 09:23:25 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 09:07:08 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Key word was real holidays, though. :-P
Washington's Birthday is definitely a real holiday.
Depending on how you define it. It's a real federal holiday, but it's not one of the big six holidays observed by the majority of the workforce.
I dunno. Look at rush hours around any major city. Definitely a lot less traffic. You may be able to see it in traffic counts as well.
For those not working in offices, there's probably only 3 significant holidays - Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Easter - where major businesses are likely to be closed. Anything beyond that and you're lucky to see shorter hours.
Quote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 10:17:30 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2024, 09:23:25 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 09:07:08 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
Key word was real holidays, though. :-P
Washington's Birthday is definitely a real holiday.
Depending on how you define it. It's a real federal holiday, but it's not one of the big six holidays observed by the majority of the workforce.
Consider where I live.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2024, 10:34:03 PMI dunno. Look at rush hours around any major city. Definitely a lot less traffic. You may be able to see it in traffic counts as well.
Yeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2024, 10:34:03 PMFor those not working in offices, there's probably only 3 significant holidays - Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Easter - where major businesses are likely to be closed. Anything beyond that and you're lucky to see shorter hours.
I agree these are the three holidays when retailers are least likely to be open. But almost all businesses offer paid time off for the three summer holidays and New Year's Day, even if they're still operating on those days.
Quote from: hotdogPi on November 20, 2024, 09:10:32 PMEaster, then. The only reason it's not a legal holiday is because it always falls on Sunday.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2024, 09:48:11 PMGood Friday. I get the day off, so it's real to me.
Not a lot of people are working on Easter, but the majority wouldn't be anyways because they work Monday to Friday.
Good Friday is probably the seventh-most common holiday for non-federal employees that work Monday-Friday. My employer typically closes that day to give employees a long weekend for Easter and a day off during the New Year's-to-Memorial Day slog. It's also typically a slow business day, which further justifies being closed.
Howabout a *real* holiday for a few of us here in Wisconsin - December 5 (Repeal Day, celebrating Utah putting 21A over the top, repealing 18A/National Prohibition of beverage alcohol on 1933-12-05)?
:nod:
Mike
My job is London-based. Since Thanksgiving isn't a bank holiday in England, it's not a holiday for me either.
(Missing US Thanksgiving isn't anything new. Prior to this year, my job had been Montréal-based for several years.)
1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Quote from: webny99 on November 21, 2024, 09:04:00 AMYeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%.
State employees have off (at least we do in NY, I imagine several other states too). Schools have off. Some companies have off (including the one I worked at immediately after graduating college).
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 20, 2024, 08:57:39 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 20, 2024, 08:48:15 PMQuote from: webny99 on November 20, 2024, 07:48:44 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 03, 2024, 11:39:20 AMNeed a real holiday between Presidents' Day New Year's and Memorial Day, too.
FTFY :sombrero:
We have two: Martin Luther King Jr. Day and President's Day.
The latter is properly called Washington's Birthday, at least if you're referring to the federal holiday.
Technically yes, but something similar can be said about the 4th of July/Independence Day, and I find it interesting that people don't get in your face about how people refer to the latter like they do the former.
Maybe it's generational? The only people I can think of who referred to it as Washington's Birthday instead of Presidents Day when not trying to be pedantic were my grandparents.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Quote from: vdeane on November 21, 2024, 12:57:31 PMMaybe it's generational? The only people I can think of who referred to it as Washington's Birthday instead of Presidents Day when not trying to be pedantic were my grandparents.
The Federal Government gets pedantic about the legal name of the February day off given to its employees. When I worked for the Federales, every February I was reminded that for us it's still "Washington's Birthday" (https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2025).
Quote from: oscar on November 21, 2024, 08:17:49 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 21, 2024, 12:57:31 PMMaybe it's generational? The only people I can think of who referred to it as Washington's Birthday instead of Presidents Day when not trying to be pedantic were my grandparents.
The Federal Government gets pedantic about the legal name of the February day off given to its employees. When I worked for the Federales, every February I was reminded that for us it's still "Washington's Birthday" (https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2025).
The funny thing about that is that the holiday is never observed on Washington's actual birthday. So calling it that isn't even pedantic, it's just flat out inaccurate.
Not working this year.
Quote from: webny99 on November 21, 2024, 08:54:18 PMQuote from: oscar on November 21, 2024, 08:17:49 PMQuote from: vdeane on November 21, 2024, 12:57:31 PMMaybe it's generational? The only people I can think of who referred to it as Washington's Birthday instead of Presidents Day when not trying to be pedantic were my grandparents.
The Federal Government gets pedantic about the legal name of the February day off given to its employees. When I worked for the Federales, every February I was reminded that for us it's still "Washington's Birthday" (https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/federal-holidays/#url=2025).
The funny thing about that is that the holiday is never observed on Washington's actual birthday. So calling it that isn't even pedantic, it's just flat out inaccurate.
Pfft. It was always Washington's Birthday (observed).
It was made a part of the 'Monday holiday' thing.
Mike
Legally according to the Indiana State Government Washington's Birthday is on Christmas Eve. And we "celebrate" Lincoln's Birthday next week on the day after Thanksgiving. On a state government level there is no holiday in February.
Quote from: mgk920 on November 22, 2024, 11:21:49 AMIt was made a part of the 'Monday holiday' thing.
Mike
Tuesday Afternoon?
Quote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
Quote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
The full name is "Juneteenth National Independence Day." A number of members of Congress voted against the bill making it a holiday because of the inclusion of "Independence Day" in the name, given that we already had a holiday called that.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
I suppose we all have our gripes. :D
Quote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
It's literally the name of the holiday.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:30:16 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
It's literally the name of the holiday.
He's annoyed at a portmanteau apparently.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 22, 2024, 04:35:14 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:30:16 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
It's literally the name of the holiday.
He's annoyed at a portmanteau apparently.
"Apparently" is such a loose term...
Quote from: JayhawkCO on November 22, 2024, 04:35:14 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:30:16 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
It's literally the name of the holiday.
He's annoyed at a portmanteau apparently.
Right. But that's its name. Like Thanksgiving.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:38:59 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on November 22, 2024, 04:35:14 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:30:16 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
It's literally the name of the holiday.
He's annoyed at a portmanteau apparently.
Right. But that's its name. Like Thanksgiving.
RIP English language!
Quote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 04:41:45 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:38:59 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on November 22, 2024, 04:35:14 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on November 22, 2024, 04:30:16 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 02:07:58 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 22, 2024, 01:58:22 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 22, 2024, 01:54:38 PMQuote from: Rothman on November 21, 2024, 07:49:53 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 21, 2024, 12:35:48 PM1.) Don't get me started on the way the Commonwealth of Kentucky has played with the calendar to provide the statutorily-required 11.5 holidays (12.5 during presidential election years). The state has swapped a number of them in and out instead of just granting extra days. They've played musical chairs with Columbus Day, Veterans Day, MLK Day, Presidents Day (Washington's Birthday), and now "Juneteenth."
2.) It dawned on me earlier this week that the presidential inauguration day falls on MLK Day next year.
Why is Juneteenth in quotes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Because of the whole Independence Day/July 4th thing.
I'm not following you. What are you saying the effect of Independence Day on Juneteenth is?
I was saying that while everyone calls it "July 4th" or "Fourth of July," the real name for the holiday is Independence Day.
I had no idea that that abomination (Juneteenth) was the official name of the holiday. I really thought it was something like "Texas Emancipation Day" or something similar. They should at least have had the decency to call it "June 19th" instead of that ridiculous-sounding "Juneteenth." RIP the English language...
It's literally the name of the holiday.
He's annoyed at a portmanteau apparently.
Right. But that's its name. Like Thanksgiving.
RIP English language!
Right. We have been celebrating this darn holiday for over 150 years and I can barely understand anyone any longer!
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 22, 2024, 02:20:39 PMThe full name is "Juneteenth National Independence Day." A number of members of Congress voted against the bill making it a holiday because of the inclusion of "Independence Day" in the name, given that we already had a holiday called that.
I feel like "Juneteenth National Emancipation Day" would be more clear. When I saw that I was thinking "Independence? Did the freed slaves declare themselves a sovereign nation or something?".
Quote from: webny99 on November 21, 2024, 09:04:00 AMQuote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2024, 10:34:03 PMI dunno. Look at rush hours around any major city. Definitely a lot less traffic. You may be able to see it in traffic counts as well.
Yeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%
Being the stock and bond markets are closed, that greatly expands the number of businesses that are closed both holidays. Not just banks, but businesses that revokved around working with the markets, especially financial firms. Most large cities aren't home to federal government offices, so that can't explain the lack of commuters. And many state governments have off these holidays also, which again aren't often located in major cities.
Quote from: vdeane on November 22, 2024, 09:53:54 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 22, 2024, 02:20:39 PMThe full name is "Juneteenth National Independence Day." A number of members of Congress voted against the bill making it a holiday because of the inclusion of "Independence Day" in the name, given that we already had a holiday called that.
I feel like "Juneteenth National Emancipation Day" would be more clear. When I saw that I was thinking "Independence? Did the freed slaves declare themselves a sovereign nation or something?".
Agreed. I wonder whether the existence of certain state, territorial, or local holidays called "Emancipation Day" might have factored into their thought process.
Quote from: webny99 on November 21, 2024, 09:04:00 AMYeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%.
Interesting coincidence: The inauguration for the 47th president will occur on MLK Day this year. I would think this would lessen traffic impacts, unless Inauguration Day is already a federal holiday the way the gubernatorial inauguration day is in Kentucky.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2024, 11:58:34 AMQuote from: webny99 on November 21, 2024, 09:04:00 AMYeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%.
Interesting coincidence: The inauguration for the 47th president will occur on MLK Day this year. I would think this would lessen traffic impacts, unless Inauguration Day is already a federal holiday the way the gubernatorial inauguration day is in Kentucky.
Inauguration Day is a federal holiday for US government employees in the District of Columbia; Arlington and Fairfax Counties in Virginia; the Cities of Alexandria, Fairfax, and Falls Church in Virginia; and Montgomery and Prince George's Counties in Maryland. The reason it's a holiday for them has to do with the practical impact of all the security that's put in place. Also as a practical matter, a fair number of private businesses in downtown DC are forced to close or require everyone to telecommute on that day because their location within the secured perimeter makes access to the office or business location either impossible or exceptionally onerous. (The management of the big law firm where I used to work immensely resented having to close the DC office on that day. Not because of lost billable hours—they demanded the attorneys work remotely—but because they wound up having to give the staff an additional paid holiday that none of the offices in any other city received. I always viewed it as simply part of the cost of doing business in the District of Columbia.)
Without meaning to get political, I was struck by the coincidence between the inauguration and the King holiday when it became apparent that Harris would be the Democrats' nominee.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 25, 2024, 12:07:37 PMAlso as a practical matter, a fair number of private businesses in downtown DC are forced to close or require everyone to telecommute on that day because their location within the secured perimeter makes access to the office or business location either impossible or exceptionally onerous.
For three Inaugurations, I had to put up with that onerous security to get to my Federal agency on Pennsylvania Ave. NW. The first time (1993), I was busy gearing up for merger litigation. The other occasions (2001 and 2005), I was hosting parade-watching parties.
For all those occasions, I was sternly warned not to open my windows. That would make the Secret Service snipers nervous.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 25, 2024, 12:07:37 PMInauguration Day is a federal holiday for US government employees in the District of Columbia; Arlington and Fairfax Counties in Virginia; the Cities of Alexandria, Fairfax, and Falls Church in Virginia; and Montgomery and Prince George's Counties in Maryland. The reason it's a holiday for them has to do with the practical impact of all the security that's put in place. Also as a practical matter, a fair number of private businesses in downtown DC are forced to close or require everyone to telecommute on that day because their location within the secured perimeter makes access to the office or business location either impossible or exceptionally onerous. (The management of the big law firm where I used to work immensely resented having to close the DC office on that day. Not because of lost billable hours—they demanded the attorneys work remotely—but because they wound up having to give the staff an additional paid holiday that none of the offices in any other city received. I always viewed it as simply part of the cost of doing business in the District of Columbia.)
That reminds me of what happened in December 1999, when Paul Patton was inaugurated for his second term as Kentucky's governor, being the first governor eligible to serve two consecutive terms. I was working in Frankfort then, and he proposed not closing all state offices for his inauguration; he proposed only closing Frankfort offices. There was a great hue and cry about the unfairness of Frankfort-based state employees getting the day off, while state workers based outside of Frankfort had to work. He backed off that proposal and issued an executive order that all offices would be closed.
Something similar happened in 2011 when Steve Beshear was elected to his second term.
It's not a matter of security per se, but due to traffic impacts along the inaugural parade route, which runs through downtown Frankfort, across the Capitol Avenue bridge, and up to the Capitol.
Quote from: oscar on November 25, 2024, 12:25:31 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 25, 2024, 12:07:37 PMAlso as a practical matter, a fair number of private businesses in downtown DC are forced to close or require everyone to telecommute on that day because their location within the secured perimeter makes access to the office or business location either impossible or exceptionally onerous.
For three Inaugurations, I had to put up with that onerous security to get to my Federal agency on Pennsylvania Ave. NW. The first time (1993), I was busy gearing up for merger litigation. The other occasions (2001 and 2005), I was hosting parade-watching parties.
For all those occasions, I was sternly warned not to open my windows. That would make the Secret Service snipers nervous.
My wife (we were not married then) used to work at 1001 Pennsylvania Avenue (the building across from the FBI where TenPenh used to be and where Central Michel Richard is). She said the Secret Service demanded access to the building and did something to mark any doors facing Pennsylvania Avenue, or providing access to any outdoor rooftop terraces, as having been "secured" in some fashion and warned that there would be hell to pay if anyone broke those seals.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2024, 11:58:34 AMQuoteYeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%.
Interesting coincidence: The inauguration for the 47th president will occur on MLK Day this year. I would think this would lessen traffic impacts, unless Inauguration Day is already a federal holiday the way the gubernatorial inauguration day is in Kentucky.
That certainly won't
lessen the traffic impacts, unless by lessen you mean just counter the typical trend.
Traffic volumes will obviously be much greater in DC, but I'm not sure there will be real impact anywhere else.
Quote from: webny99 on November 25, 2024, 01:12:36 PMQuote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2024, 11:58:34 AMQuoteYeah, I agree there's noticeably less traffic on both MLK Day and President's Day. However, that doesn't mean most people have off work. Typically, only federal employees have off work on those days, though no doubt there are some people who choose it as an optional day or don't have a paid holiday but choose to schedule time off. As a percentage of the workforce, I'm finding estimates ranging from 15% to 35%.
Interesting coincidence: The inauguration for the 47th president will occur on MLK Day this year. I would think this would lessen traffic impacts, unless Inauguration Day is already a federal holiday the way the gubernatorial inauguration day is in Kentucky.
That certainly won't lessen the traffic impacts, unless by lessen you mean just counter the typical trend.
Traffic volumes will obviously be much greater in DC, but I'm not sure there will be real impact anywhere else.
Traffic volumes on January 20 will be much decreased in DC because of all the street closures. Almost all of downtown is cordoned off and some of the subway stations are closed as well.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 25, 2024, 01:39:09 PMQuoteQuoteInteresting coincidence: The inauguration for the 47th president will occur on MLK Day this year. I would think this would lessen traffic impacts, unless Inauguration Day is already a federal holiday the way the gubernatorial inauguration day is in Kentucky.
That certainly won't lessen the traffic impacts, unless by lessen you mean just counter the typical trend.
Traffic volumes will obviously be much greater in DC, but I'm not sure there will be real impact anywhere else.
Traffic volumes on January 20 will be much decreased in DC because of all the street closures. Almost all of downtown is cordoned off and some of the subway stations are closed as well.
For the closed streets specifically, yes - but everyone attending the inauguration has to come from somewhere, so from a regional perspective the traffic flows into DC before the event and outbound afterwards would be greater than normal.
Quote from: webny99 on November 25, 2024, 01:54:09 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on November 25, 2024, 01:39:09 PMQuoteQuoteInteresting coincidence: The inauguration for the 47th president will occur on MLK Day this year. I would think this would lessen traffic impacts, unless Inauguration Day is already a federal holiday the way the gubernatorial inauguration day is in Kentucky.
That certainly won't lessen the traffic impacts, unless by lessen you mean just counter the typical trend.
Traffic volumes will obviously be much greater in DC, but I'm not sure there will be real impact anywhere else.
Traffic volumes on January 20 will be much decreased in DC because of all the street closures. Almost all of downtown is cordoned off and some of the subway stations are closed as well.
For the closed streets specifically, yes - but everyone attending the inauguration has to come from somewhere, so from a regional perspective the traffic flows into DC before the event and outbound afterwards would be greater than normal.
You'd be surprised. The increased volumes generally occur only on the Metrorail. It's really striking how few people are foolish enough to attempt to drive into the District—or, at least, anywhere close to downtown, anyway—on Inauguration Day. (This year I wouldn't be surprised if you see more people than usual driving to the National Zoo to see the new pandas, but that can be done without going near the secured zone.) For the last two inaugurations, VDOT even agreed to close the I-395 reversible carriageway between the Beltway and the 14th Street Bridge to allow for easier movement of motorcades.
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 25, 2024, 02:12:04 PMQuoteQuoteTraffic volumes on January 20 will be much decreased in DC because of all the street closures. Almost all of downtown is cordoned off and some of the subway stations are closed as well.
For the closed streets specifically, yes - but everyone attending the inauguration has to come from somewhere, so from a regional perspective the traffic flows into DC before the event and outbound afterwards would be greater than normal.
You'd be surprised. The increased volumes generally occur only on the Metrorail. It's really striking how few people are foolish enough to attempt to drive into the District—or, at least, anywhere close to downtown, anyway—on Inauguration Day. (This year I wouldn't be surprised if you see more people than usual driving to the National Zoo to see the new pandas, but that can be done without going near the secured zone.) For the last two inaugurations, VDOT even agreed to close the I-395 reversible carriageway between the Beltway and the 14th Street Bridge to allow for easier movement of motorcades.
Now I find that interesting. I wonder if this is because a majority of attendees are coming from a short distance away, or if it's common to park somewhere at a distance and work out another means of transport to get into downtown, or if those attending from a distance travel on earlier/later days rather than making a same-day trip. Or perhaps most likely, some combination of all three.