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Title: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: ZLoth on November 09, 2024, 04:56:03 PM
From HotHardware:

GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
QuoteGeneral Motors is hard set on developing its own custom user interface for some of its future products, replacing the likes of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. The reason? Improved safety, usability, and driver attention. The company believes that removing smartphone projections and integrating apps into GM's own interface would greatly improve the customer/driver experience.

No, General Motors isn't pulling a Huawei trick by developing its own operating system, but the company is doubling down to take phone projections (in the form of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto) out of the infotainment system in future models. The logical behind it all is that the General believes that ditching CarPlay and Android Auto would make drivers pick up their phones less while driving. So far, we've seen the Chevy Blazer EV, well, trailblaze that vision with the company's Ultifi system. We all know how that story went.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://markholtz.info/2wj)
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: JREwing78 on November 10, 2024, 03:38:02 PM
The Honda Prologue comes with Apple CarPlay & Android Auto. Same platform and infotainment hardware as the Blazer EV. I wouldn't be surprised if someone figures out how to unlock those features on the GM-branded EVs.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: wriddle082 on November 10, 2024, 04:45:22 PM
Once word really gets out about this, and other automakers tout how they will maintain Apple CarPlay and Android Auto connectivity, the General's sales will suffer.  Hopefully that will mean the ouster of their current CEO, who IMO is completely out of touch with consumer wants.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: LilianaUwU on November 10, 2024, 06:25:45 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on November 10, 2024, 04:45:22 PMcurrent CEO, who IMO is completely out of touch with consumer wants.
Sounds about right. Why pay for a service that has been proven to be good (such as Apple CarPlay and Android Auto) when you can maximize profit with a bad service (such as the theoretical GM system)?
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: hotdogPi on November 10, 2024, 06:31:15 PM
I do see an advantage: it would prevent remote hacking since it wouldn't be connected to the phone.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 10, 2024, 07:50:32 PM
Quote from: hotdogPi on November 10, 2024, 06:31:15 PMI do see an advantage: it would prevent remote hacking since it wouldn't be connected to the phone.


Does this actually happen?
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PM
Remember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: kalvado on November 12, 2024, 05:06:19 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PMRemember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?
That cable is called "bluetooth"
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: ZLoth on November 12, 2024, 05:42:29 PM
From The Verge:

Hyundai's touchscreen honeymoon is over because sometimes buttons are just better
QuoteHyundai, a company that has been just as guilty in the past of spreading the touchscreen scourge in cars as any other, has been course-correcting lately, putting more buttons and knobs into its cars. The reason isn't surprising: people hate touchscreens, at least for certain essential controls like HVAC systems, and they told Hyundai so.

"As we were adding integrated [infotainment] screens in our vehicles, we also tried putting touchscreen-based controls, and people didn't prefer that," Hyundai Design North America VP Ha Hak-soo told Korea JoongAng Daily in an interview that InsideEVs spotted. He said Hyundai, which was as infatuated with touchscreens as the rest of the industry at first, found that in focus group testing people got "stressed, annoyed and steamed when they want to control something in a pinch but are unable to do so."
FULL ARTICLE HERE (https://markholtz.info/2wm)
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: ZLoth on November 12, 2024, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PMRemember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?

You do realize that smartphones have lacked a headphone jack for years! Bluetooth is the connectivity standard, and there are Bluetooth-to-aux adapters available (https://amzn.to/3APWvYl). While the first implementations of Bluetooth ages ago had audio quality issues, the modern standard sound just fine.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on November 12, 2024, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PMRemember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?

You do realize that smartphones have lacked a headphone jack for years!

Mine hasn't. 🤷
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: hbelkins on November 12, 2024, 07:54:36 PM
What advantages do Apple CarPlay and Android Auto have over a standard Bluetooth connection? I just put a stereo in my old truck to replace a broken cassette player and a bad tuner, and I just bought a Jensen with Bluetooth and an AUX port.
Quote from: ZLoth on November 12, 2024, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PMRemember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?

You do realize that smartphones have lacked a headphone jack for years! Bluetooth is the connectivity standard, and there are Bluetooth-to-aux adapters available (https://amzn.to/3APWvYl). While the first implementations of Bluetooth ages ago had audio quality issues, the modern standard sound just fine.

You can get a $5 dongle that plugs into the iPhone's Lightning (charging port) that has a pass-through charging port and an AUX jack. I'm sure the same is available for USB-C devices.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: wriddle082 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 12, 2024, 07:54:36 PMWhat advantages do Apple CarPlay and Android Auto have over a standard Bluetooth connection? I just put a stereo in my old truck to replace a broken cassette player and a bad tuner, and I just bought a Jensen with Bluetooth and an AUX port.

Apple CarPlay turns your car's infotainment screen into an extension of your phone.  You can use your favorite navigation app, make hands free calls, use Siri to make those hands free calls, of course listen to music or podcasts, and even though I haven't tried it I think you can order food from certain apps that seem to control CarPlay, such as Dunkin' Donuts or Chick-Fil-A.  I have found it to be immensely helpful in every rental car I get to drive.  My wife's car has if too and she very much enjoys it.

If your car doesn't have an infotainment screen, there are companies that make low cost CarPlay and/or Android Auto aftermarket touchscreen systems that I think work in single DIN openings as well as double DIN openings.  Many of the automotive YouTubers I watch regularly recommend a Chinese make called Atoto.  Reasonably priced and good features.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: Mr_Northside on November 14, 2024, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on November 12, 2024, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PMRemember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?

You do realize that smartphones have lacked a headphone jack for years!

Mine hasn't. 🤷

Mine (which I got about 15 months ago)also does not lack a headphone jack - another important functon of having it, and wired headphones connected - is that the headphone wire acts as an antennae for the phone's FM tuner.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: mgk920 on November 15, 2024, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on November 14, 2024, 03:02:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on November 12, 2024, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 12, 2024, 04:55:20 PMRemember when there was a cable you plugged into the phone and into the car and it didn't matter what OS either of them had?

You do realize that smartphones have lacked a headphone jack for years!

Mine hasn't. 🤷

Mine (which I got about 15 months ago)also does not lack a headphone jack - another important functon of having it, and wired headphones connected - is that the headphone wire acts as an antennae for the phone's FM tuner.

Short adapter cords ('jacks') with both Iphone 'lightning' and 'type C' connectors are now very common and inexpensive.  Apple is in the process of phasing out the Lightning connectors in favor of Type C, too (an EU interoperability thing).  In fact, I actually found an undamaged lightning adapter cord in a parking lot about 4-5 years ago, so I have both kinds covered.

Mike
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: davewiecking on November 29, 2024, 10:38:07 AM
https://9to5google.com/2024/11/27/gm-android-auto-carplay-ev-kit/

An option for new GM vehicles having the proprietary system.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: Flint1979 on November 29, 2024, 11:02:04 AM
Won't bother me any since I never have and never will own a GM vehicle.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: Rothman on November 29, 2024, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 29, 2024, 11:02:04 AMWon't bother me any since I never have and never will own a GM vehicle.

In MI, these are fighting words.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: formulanone on November 29, 2024, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 29, 2024, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 29, 2024, 11:02:04 AMWon't bother me any since I never have and never will own a GM vehicle.

In MI, these are fighting words.

GM turned their back on Flint around 1986, so I totally understand the sentiment.
Title: Re: GM Boss Doubles Down On Ejecting Apple CarPlay And Android Auto
Post by: Rothman on November 29, 2024, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: formulanone on November 29, 2024, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 29, 2024, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on November 29, 2024, 11:02:04 AMWon't bother me any since I never have and never will own a GM vehicle.

In MI, these are fighting words.

GM turned their back on Flint around 1986, so I totally understand the sentiment.

Even then, I know other people from Flint that are still diehard GM customers.