I used to do this all the time on the forum but now I'm realizing that im actually making fun of an old user on a forum. Should this be allowed or no?
Only if goat.
Quote from: NE2 on December 11, 2024, 08:30:25 PMOnly if goat.
I think NE2 is a great user, he understands.
I'm fine with it and I don't really care as long as it's in the right threads and not spreading throughout the entire forum.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 11, 2024, 09:55:55 PMI'm fine with it and I don't really care as long as it's in the right threads and not spreading throughout the entire forum.
I agree here! :bigass: Because that way there can be goat quote threads.
I'm gonna make sure I say
NO! whenever a thread that disowns goats pops up.
This is not a policy here, but it raises some points worth considering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deny_recognition
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 12, 2024, 01:48:39 AMThis is not a policy here, but it raises some points worth considering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deny_recognition
If they're banned, they don't know they're being made fun of.
Also, quoting a Wikipedia item instead of an AA Road Wiki item? For shame... :pan:
:bigass:
Quote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMIf they're banned, they don't know they're being made fun of.
MMM was very aware of the forum even after his ban.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 11:49:12 AMQuote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMIf they're banned, they don't know they're being made fun of.
MMM was very aware of the forum even after his ban.
banned users can still view the forum, including this board, they just can't post or view boards like fictional highways. MMM, P13, and Tolbs could all be looking at this post right now.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 11:51:50 AMQuote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 11:49:12 AMQuote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMIf they're banned, they don't know they're being made fun of.
MMM was very aware of the forum even after his ban.
banned users can still view the forum, including this board, they just can't post or view boards like fictional highways. MMM, P13, and Tolbs could all be looking at this post right now.
I don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Crash_It has rightfully earned all the ridicule he will forever receive in the road fan community. Personally I don't care if people like him see the negative things I have to say about them.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 12, 2024, 01:41:42 PMI don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Just checked in a private window. It is.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 01:46:24 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 12, 2024, 01:41:42 PMI don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Just checked in a private window. It is.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 01:46:24 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 12, 2024, 01:41:42 PMI don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Just checked in a private window. It is.
Yeah I knew about this board before I joined. Always wondered if this board should be private as well.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 02:26:01 PMQuote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 01:46:24 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 12, 2024, 01:41:42 PMI don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Just checked in a private window. It is.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 01:46:24 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 12, 2024, 01:41:42 PMI don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Just checked in a private window. It is.
Yeah I knew about this board before I joined. Always wondered if this board should be private as well.
Well, most boards already are (i.e. Fictional Highways and Road-Related Illustrations), so it wouldn't be a bad idea to make this one private too.
Since I've noticed how common it is to bring up those who have been banned and the subjects they created, I really don't see it as a problem, as long as it's in a civilized manner.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMAlso, quoting a Wikipedia item instead of an AA Road Wiki item? For shame...
Part of our management strategy on AARW is to run it as rules-light as we feel like we can get away with. (Given your personal preferences in that regard, I'm sure you understand and could probably state good reasons for doing so far more eloquently than I could.) As a result, there was a lot of backend governance cruft we intentionally didn't copy over from Wikipedia. Unfortunately, that does mean we also didn't copy over the more philosophical stuff either.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 12, 2024, 01:46:24 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 12, 2024, 01:41:42 PMI don't think this board is visible to non-members, either.
Just checked in a private window. It is.
Stalker. Slamming the ladder against the house was a giveaway you were out there too.
It seems that the definitions of what boards are private are inconsistent. It doesn't make much sense for sports to be publicly available, but urban planning isn't. Urban planning seems more on the topic of a board than sports.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2024, 01:45:44 PMCrash_It has rightfully earned all the ridicule he will forever receive in the road fan community. Personally I don't care if people like him see the negative things I have to say about them.
I was waiting for him to say that Michigan is flat as a pancake lol. Maybe he's finally crashed by now.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 04:42:06 PMIt seems that the definitions of what boards are private are inconsistent. It doesn't make much sense for sports to be publicly available, but urban planning isn't. Urban planning seems more on the topic of a board than sports.
if I'm not mistaken, this is specifically to make sure most of the people who are coming here actually are interested in the roads part of the AARoads forum culture.
I used to be on the USENET misc.transport.road newsgroup many years ago and there were times urban planning debates would take over that particular discussion venue like crazy.
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 12, 2024, 04:48:26 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2024, 01:45:44 PMCrash_It has rightfully earned all the ridicule he will forever receive in the road fan community. Personally I don't care if people like him see the negative things I have to say about them.
I was waiting for him to say that Michigan is flat as a pancake lol. Maybe he's finally crashed by now.
The alleged superiority of Illinois library architecture to that of Wisconsin was one of his latest soapboxes.
Unpopular opinion: There's no sense in discussing people who have no ability to rebut their arguments, which leads to merely vacuous and loaded one-sided discussion.
On the other hand, Alanland probably would have become and not become a thing beyond all things.
I think crash it is fine for discussion as he did some very inexcusable things on this forum and they were not tolerated. Though I think mmm was a fine user as he never did anything out of line. I think geek11111 deserves a second chance as well.
P13 and tolbs? Absolutely not.
Ehh...MMM knew exactly what he was doing.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 04:42:06 PMIt seems that the definitions of what boards are private are inconsistent. It doesn't make much sense for sports to be publicly available, but urban planning isn't. Urban planning seems more on the topic of a board than sports.
If we don't want someone to join the forum just because they want to participate in that and nothing else, the forum is hidden when logged out. Urban planning is hidden to deter the NUMTOT crowd from taking an interest in the forum, since that's kind of counter to the main topic of interest.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 12, 2024, 06:43:59 PMI think geek11111 deserves a second chance as well.
He had ssssssssssseveral.
No comment on whether banned members should be discussed, but I do strongly support switching Suggestions & Questions to a members-only board. I can't think of any advantages of having it publicly viewable: pretty much everything posted in this board is just as well not seen by non-members, nor is there a reason for them to see it... and if there is, it's probably not for good reason.
Quote from: formulanone on December 12, 2024, 05:45:33 PMUnPopular opinion: There's no sense in discussing people who have no ability to rebut their arguments, which leads to merely vacuous and loaded one-sided discussion.
FTFY :sombrero:
Honestly. I disagree with webny99 here(and on a lot of things), it's NOT the popular opinion. Because lots of people argue about this all the time.
Quote from: Henry on December 12, 2024, 03:45:07 PMWell, most boards already are (i.e. Fictional Highways and Road-Related Illustrations), so it wouldn't be a bad idea to make this one private too.
I wouldn't say 5 out of 27 boards is "most".
I think Marf deserves a second chance the most. Seriously, what did that guy do? I don't think he did anything wrong AT ALL!
He was an ass hat who deliberately targeted a user through numerous sock puppet accounts. That is a classic example of a person one ought to tell "go fuck yourself" to.
What happened with Geek? Didn't see anything egregious that looked ban worthy?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2024, 09:20:38 PMHe was an ass hat who deliberately targeted a user through numerous sock puppet accounts. That is a classic example of a person one ought to tell "go fuck yourself" to.
Oh.
He didn't seem troublesome to me. Guess I didn't look at his posts enough.
People who weren't around at the time doing posthumous judging on an incomplete record cause me to reach for my revolver.
I was around for geek. His posts were strange but nowhere near P13/MMM. And you can still see banned users posts.
Quote from: TheStranger on December 12, 2024, 04:51:11 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 04:42:06 PMIt seems that the definitions of what boards are private are inconsistent. It doesn't make much sense for sports to be publicly available, but urban planning isn't. Urban planning seems more on the topic of a board than sports.
if I'm not mistaken, this is specifically to make sure most of the people who are coming here actually are interested in the roads part of the AARoads forum culture.
I used to be on the USENET misc.transport.road newsgroup many years ago and there were times urban planning debates would take over that particular discussion venue like crazy.
Well that's bad news for me then, I've made like one post in the sports board related to the Olympics. I have no idea why anyone would consider sports integral to forum culture, yet not think the same about urban planning—or heck, even fictional highways.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 12, 2024, 07:11:29 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 04:42:06 PMIt seems that the definitions of what boards are private are inconsistent. It doesn't make much sense for sports to be publicly available, but urban planning isn't. Urban planning seems more on the topic of a board than sports.
If we don't want someone to join the forum just because they want to participate in that and nothing else, the forum is hidden when logged out. Urban planning is hidden to deter the NUMTOT crowd from taking an interest in the forum, since that's kind of counter to the main topic of interest.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 12, 2024, 06:43:59 PMI think geek11111 deserves a second chance as well.
He had ssssssssssseveral.
Geek11111 emailed me recently asking for another chance.
Oh, this'll be fun.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 12, 2024, 07:47:18 PMHonestly. I disagree with webny99 here(and on a lot of things), it's NOT the popular opinion. Because lots of people argue about this all the time.
Well, they do call it a SILENT majority for good reason :)
PNWroadgeek you are fine now but I'd be careful...
(I'm not a mod just a friendly bystander)
I also want to know what exactly happened with geek? Looks like he last logged on a week after his last post, what was he banned for?
He did a lot of weird things like post a thread topic that would initially consist of:
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2024, 11:54:08 PMHe did a lot of weird things like post a thread topic that would initially consist of:
s
Ah, got it. Probably a lot of that stuff got deleted. I've always wanted to see the AAroads deleted posts archive or wherever those posts go. Probably a lot of funny stuff there.
Quote from: webny99 on December 12, 2024, 07:22:43 PMQuote from: formulanone on December 12, 2024, 05:45:33 PMUnPopular opinion: There's no sense in discussing people who have no ability to rebut their arguments, which leads to merely vacuous and loaded one-sided discussion.
FTFY :sombrero:
In this case, I'd rather you have used your own words. But I can do it for you:
Personally, the
popular opinion is to retread banned users' takes, distort them as time goes on, let them essentially live rent-free on our forum, which creates an echo chamber because it makes them feel morally superior.
Some of us don't care to hear well-worn ideas continuously rehashed inside every thread; it's similarly immature and tiresome as those trolls we were sick of in first place. Let the banned stay genuinely banned.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 12, 2024, 09:00:05 PMI think Marf deserves a second chance the most. Seriously, what did that guy do? I don't think he did anything wrong AT ALL!
Had the thread not run farther, I would have assumed your all-caps use of "at all!" was meant to be sarcastic.
As Max notes, Marf—or, as one of the moderators put it, "the Marves"—created
a lot of sockpuppet accounts. If I recall correctly, he got suspended on his original account in large part for constant personal attacks on webny99 (there may have been more than that, but I think that was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back). He then
immediately posted under another preexisting account, Marf207, which got his ban extended and that account banned as well—he more or less said, "Hey, I have this other account, so is it OK if I post here while my main account is banned?" :banghead:
He then started creating various other accounts; the ones I remember were "LindaOfGreenGables," "PatTheSplasher," and "ShoppingforFood" (capitalization may be off in those). A couple of times it wasn't immediately obvious who it was but became apparent within a day or two when he criticized webny99; in some other cases, he made it obvious from the start by making a first post saying, essentially, "I'm Marf and I'm here to say 'fuck you' to all of you" (or words to that effect).
It's not a surprise you wouldn't have seen all of those because, for obvious reasons, all the sockpuppet accounts have been deleted. Funny thing about the Marf saga was that my iPhone's autocorrect suggested "Marf" for a while if I typed "mar" (such as for "margin" or whatever).
Quote from: formulanone on December 13, 2024, 04:21:24 AMIn this case, I'd rather you have used your own words. But I can do it for you:
Personally, the popular opinion is to retread banned users' takes, distort them as time goes on, let them essentially live rent-free on our forum, which creates an echo chamber because it makes them feel morally superior.
Ha, that does seem like the case at times, but I think you missed my follow up post...
Quote from: webny99 on December 12, 2024, 10:54:45 PMQuoteit's NOT the popular opinion. Because lots of people argue about this all the time.
Well, they do call it a SILENT majority for good reason :)
What about discussions about annoying as heck users that haven't been banned but we all wish left the forum? Particularly one living in Phoenix?
Or users in Michigan who feel the need to call others tyrants, tell others to gouge out their frontal lobes, say that users from outside the Great Lakes/Ohio Valley region shouldn't be allowed to comment in that board, and spread unhelpful conspiracy theories about roundabouts being a government ploy to purposely waste taxpayer money.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 12:04:22 AMI've always wanted to see the AAroads deleted posts archive or wherever those posts go. Probably a lot of funny stuff there.
It's mostly people trying to start political fights and spam. If it's genuinely funny, I personally try not to delete it unless there's no way to avoid doing so.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:23:00 PMWhat about discussions about annoying as heck users that haven't been banned but we all wish left the forum? Particularly one living in Phoenix?
We generally only ban someone for violating something on this list (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0). We can't make a rule against people being annoying, because then
I'd be banned.
It's funny. Despite the discouragement of political content it's very clear how like most of the regular users on the forum voted.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:55:17 PMIt's funny. Despite the discouragement of political content it's very clear how like most of the regular users on the forum voted.
How so? Would you assume to know how I voted by how I reply to things?
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 01:49:58 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:23:00 PMWhat about discussions about annoying as heck users that haven't been banned but we all wish left the forum? Particularly one living in Phoenix?
We generally only ban someone for violating something on this list (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0). We can't make a rule against people being annoying, because then I'd be banned.
So what about the constant abuse that I bring up? The user in question has not shown any indication of interest in changing his behavior, and even directly blames Rothman for the abusive things he does (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10963.msg2847793#msg2847793). IMO, that isn't a sign of someone worth keeping around.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 13, 2024, 02:01:37 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 01:49:58 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:23:00 PMWhat about discussions about annoying as heck users that haven't been banned but we all wish left the forum? Particularly one living in Phoenix?
We generally only ban someone for violating something on this list (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0). We can't make a rule against people being annoying, because then I'd be banned.
So what about the constant abuse that I bring up? The user in question has not shown any indication of interest in changing his behavior, and even directly blames Rothman for the abusive things he does (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10963.msg2847793#msg2847793). IMO, that isn't a sign of someone worth keeping around.
We do address rules violations by means more fine-grained than a permanent ban. These measures are not publicly viewable because, in our experience, it generally leads to a better outcome when addressed privately.
Other means of enforcement available include warnings (which remain permanently attached to the user's account, so as to establish a pattern of behavior), requiring administrator approval of each post before it is publicly viewable, and muting (where the user is allowed to log in and view the forum but cannot post), and temporary bans. These give no indication that they have been enacted to anyone other than staff and the affected user.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:55:17 PMIt's funny. Despite the discouragement of political content it's very clear how like most of the regular users on the forum voted.
How so? Would you assume to know how I voted by how I reply to things?
Not you but a lot of the ahem, more partisan posters.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMAlso, quoting a Wikipedia item instead of an AA Road Wiki item? For shame... :pan: :bigass:
I suppose our NO TROLLS signage should have a black border and be sure to have a white background, but perhaps we need a Vienna Convention version, as well.
Quote from: formulanone on December 13, 2024, 02:07:41 PMQuote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMAlso, quoting a Wikipedia item instead of an AA Road Wiki item? For shame... :pan: :bigass:
I suppose our NO TROLLS signage should have a black border and be sure to have a white background, but perhaps we need a Vienna Convention version, as well.
You'll be happy to know that AARoads Wiki policies (https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/AARoads:Policy) follow the Standard/Support/Guidance format used by the MUTCD.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 02:06:00 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 13, 2024, 02:01:37 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 01:49:58 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:23:00 PMWhat about discussions about annoying as heck users that haven't been banned but we all wish left the forum? Particularly one living in Phoenix?
We generally only ban someone for violating something on this list (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0). We can't make a rule against people being annoying, because then I'd be banned.
So what about the constant abuse that I bring up? The user in question has not shown any indication of interest in changing his behavior, and even directly blames Rothman for the abusive things he does (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10963.msg2847793#msg2847793). IMO, that isn't a sign of someone worth keeping around.
We do address rules violations by means more fine-grained than a permanent ban. These measures are not publicly viewable because, in our experience, it generally leads to a better outcome when addressed privately.
What outcome was achieved from it then? He only posts less frequently. No apology or recognition of the problematic behavior that occurred.
SPUI was post restricted at the level of needing mod approval for each post just for calling someone "extremely dense." I would say that calling someone a tyrant and telling them to get a lobotomy is more abusive than that, but there was no indication that he received any level of post restriction for behavior like this. Just "problems with the moderation here."
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 02:12:18 PMQuote from: formulanone on December 13, 2024, 02:07:41 PMQuote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMAlso, quoting a Wikipedia item instead of an AA Road Wiki item? For shame... :pan: :bigass:
I suppose our NO TROLLS signage should have a black border and be sure to have a white background, but perhaps we need a Vienna Convention version, as well.
You'll be happy to know that AARoads Wiki policies (https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/AARoads:Policy) follow the Standard/Support/Guidance format used by the MUTCD.
(Privately, I'm hoping it's ocassionally to an Oklahoman standard for those needing particular concessıo∩s.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 12, 2024, 04:20:39 PMQuote from: hbelkins on December 12, 2024, 11:31:29 AMAlso, quoting a Wikipedia item instead of an AA Road Wiki item? For shame...
Part of our management strategy on AARW is to run it as rules-light as we feel like we can get away with. (Given your personal preferences in that regard, I'm sure you understand and could probably state good reasons for doing so far more eloquently than I could.) As a result, there was a lot of backend governance cruft we intentionally didn't copy over from Wikipedia. Unfortunately, that does mean we also didn't copy over the more philosophical stuff either.
I know. Just giving you a hard time. :-D
Quote from: TheStranger on December 12, 2024, 04:51:11 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 12, 2024, 04:42:06 PMIt seems that the definitions of what boards are private are inconsistent. It doesn't make much sense for sports to be publicly available, but urban planning isn't. Urban planning seems more on the topic of a board than sports.
if I'm not mistaken, this is specifically to make sure most of the people who are coming here actually are interested in the roads part of the AARoads forum culture.
I used to be on the USENET misc.transport.road newsgroup many years ago and there were times urban planning debates would take over that particular discussion venue like crazy.
A lot of stuff got crossposted, leading to a lot of bleedover. MTR wasn't the target audience. Same for rec.autos.driving.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:55:17 PMIt's funny. Despite the discouragement of political content it's very clear how like most of the regular users on the forum voted.
How so? Would you assume to know how I voted by how I reply to things?
You're totally a LaRouche supporter. Every. Single. Election.
I still think my favorite banned user is a spambot that offered services to take the GRE for you, listing about 20 countries. Neither the US nor Canada was on the list.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 13, 2024, 01:34:35 PMOr users in Michigan who feel the need to call others tyrants, tell others to gouge out their frontal lobes, say that users from outside the Great Lakes/Ohio Valley region shouldn't be allowed to comment in that board, and spread unhelpful conspiracy theories about roundabouts being a government ploy to purposely waste taxpayer money.
I missed all this. Although I agree about roundabouts. :D
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 02:07:18 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on December 13, 2024, 01:55:17 PMIt's funny. Despite the discouragement of political content it's very clear how like most of the regular users on the forum voted.
How so? Would you assume to know how I voted by how I reply to things?
Not you but a lot of the ahem, more partisan posters.
I'll ask the same question about myself. If you do make a guess, I'll be reluctant to explain
why I voted the way I did—that would be political discussion—but I'll tell you whether you guessed correctly.
Quote from: Molandfreak on December 13, 2024, 02:16:34 PMWhat outcome was achieved from it then? He only posts less frequently. No apology or recognition of the problematic behavior that occurred.
We generally don't make those conditions of remaining in good standing because they are too readily faked. Instead, our goal is to simply curb the behavior from happening again.
I don't recall the particulars of how we resolved the situation at hand (as it took place in one of the boards I'm not regularly active in, I wasn't the point person on it), but looking into the documentation shows that it was indeed addressed. I won't give any further details because, as stated upthread, our general policy is to not discuss enforcement actions taken against any member with anyone other than staff and the member concerned.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 13, 2024, 03:12:23 PMI'll be reluctant to explain why I voted the way I did—that would be political discussion—but I'll tell you whether you guessed correctly.
Oh God, you voted for Alan Dunes-Flamingo, didn't you? Was it the jacket? It was the jacket, wasn't it?
I hate Alan Dunes-Flamingo. That said, how can I as person of reason be expected to vote against that ballin pink blazer?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 05:45:05 PMI hate Alan Dunes-Flamingo. That said, how can I as person of reason be expected to vote against that ballin pink blazer?
A question we will all be asking ourselves as we see rattlesnake registration fees skyrocket in the new year, I'm sure. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 05:45:05 PMI hate Alan Dunes-Flamingo. That said, how can I as person of reason be expected to vote against that ballin pink blazer?
A question we will all be asking ourselves as we see rattlesnake registration fees skyrocket in the new year, I'm sure. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but the plans to repeal the Lawn Ornament Act trended popularly with a broad spectrum of age groups...until that incident with the dumbwaiter buzzer.
Quote from: formulanone on December 13, 2024, 06:12:43 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 05:45:05 PMI hate Alan Dunes-Flamingo. That said, how can I as person of reason be expected to vote against that ballin pink blazer?
A question we will all be asking ourselves as we see rattlesnake registration fees skyrocket in the new year, I'm sure. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but the plans to repeal the Lawn Ornament Act trended popularly with a broad spectrum of age groups...until that incident with the dumbwaiter buzzer.
I thought for sure his candidacy was sunk at that point. But I guess he actually was already here the entire time, after all.
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 13, 2024, 05:37:52 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on December 13, 2024, 02:16:34 PMWhat outcome was achieved from it then? He only posts less frequently. No apology or recognition of the problematic behavior that occurred.
We generally don't make those conditions of remaining in good standing because they are too readily faked. Instead, our goal is to simply curb the behavior from happening again.
I don't recall the particulars of how we resolved the situation at hand (as it took place in one of the boards I'm not regularly active in, I wasn't the point person on it), but looking into the documentation shows that it was indeed addressed. I won't give any further details because, as stated upthread, our general policy is to not discuss enforcement actions taken against any member with anyone other than staff and the member concerned.
The problem is that according to the linked post, he gives no indication of understanding that his own behavior led to sanctions against him. He goes out of his way to blame the user he has a history of blowing disagreements way out of proportion with for
his own actions. That level of tone deafness is unmatched by anyone else I have ever seen here. It's reasonable to conclude that he is chronically unable to participate in civil discussions or respectfully disagree with someone.
Anyway, this is the last post I'm going to make on the matter since the level of disclosure I had hoped to achieve was achieved. So thank you for the confirmation that this wasn't just swept under the rug.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 05:45:05 PMI hate Alan Dunes-Flamingo. That said, how can I as person of reason be expected to vote against that ballin pink blazer?
I agree with you on that, I voted for Merritt again. Alan Merritt has been Grand Alan for as long as I can remember, and he's generally so much cooler of a person that Dunes-Flamingo.
Also, that pink suit. COME ON!
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on December 13, 2024, 06:49:21 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2024, 05:45:05 PMI hate Alan Dunes-Flamingo. That said, how can I as person of reason be expected to vote against that ballin pink blazer?
I agree with you on that, I voted for Merritt again. Alan Merritt has been Grand Alan for as long as I can remember, and he's generally so much cooler of a person that Dunes-Flamingo.
Also, that pink suit. COME ON!
Man...I missed ALL the inside jokes here.
Quote from: Voyager on December 13, 2024, 07:07:18 PMMan...I missed ALL the inside jokes here.
To many professional pundits and armchair experts on the politics of Alanland, the meteoric rise of Grand Unified Alan Alan Dunes-Flamingo (F-UN) has been both surprising and refreshing. His appearance on the political scene and the general tone of his candidacy have both been unlike those of any Grand Unified Alan in history. It is therefore appropriate, as he was recently inaugurated less than a fortnight ago, to take a look back and ask oneself, 'How did we get here?'
Alan's father, Brady R. Dunes, was, to put it mildly, an eccentric person. In the early 1970s, during the early days of the Eastern Unrest but before the Great Reluctance had gained any traction beyond far eastern Glenn Oaks Oblast, Brady was living in the now-infamous Shiratora House. He had been shunned by his parents at age thirteen with no money or possessions to his name and, along with Felix Flood (cross-cousin of Sir Douglas Flood), was one of the original members of the first Shiratora Commune. During the eight or nine years he lived there, Brady fathered eleven children by at least nine young women in the commune; Alan Dunes was the oldest of those eleven, born in the basement of Shiratora House to Clara Browne when she was just fifteen years old.
(https://i.imgur.com/eT33Wgs.png)
Shiratora House, pre-renovation(https://i.imgur.com/hTLMhuf.png)
Brady R. Dunes, age 24As soon as Alan Dunes was old enough to legally enter the workforce, he spent nearly every waking moment working at whatever passion was filling his mind that particular month—or that particular week, or day. Music composition, cobbling, fashion design, pastry, cabinetry, pottery, interpretive dance, vegetable gardening, confectionery, even competitive nose whistling: wholeheartedly he threw himself at seemingly every lucrative pursuit known to man, and he failed miserably at them all. On his thirty-fifth birthday, Alan fell into a state of deep depression. As he told Alan Place during an APR interview in November, on that day he walked out of the flophouse apartment he was then living in, with the intent of committing suicide, but then he impulsively decided to walk into the Unerien Temple Hall—drawn by the soft glow of candles and the scent of Karo-drenched cinnamon rolls through the open door as he walked by. He was immediately greeted by the temple Father, who recognized him by his trademark hot pink sport coat. Alan confessed to the Father how all of his pursuits had ended in failure, that he didn't see any way forward in life, and that he had come to believe the world would be a better place if he were dead. The Father placed his hand on Alan's shoulder and said, 'Those who cannot, supervise; those who cannot supervise, go into politics." And with that, he applied a Goat Jesus sticker to Alan's forehead and turned him back out onto the street.
(https://i.imgur.com/GShOHGh.png)
Temple Hall, Shiratora, Unerie OblastAmazingly, Dunes took the Father's insensitive and inappropriate remark as genuine advice, and he immediately made it his life's ambition to become the next Grand Unified Alan. With no clear reform agenda (as Alan Corcoran had had), with no success in the world of business (as Alan Torrington had achieved) and with no experience serving in the 3.14 Houses of Parliament (as Alan Register had done), Alan Dunes decided to run on a campaign unlike any before: a campaign of
kitsch. Being initially ridiculed by all sides for his hot pink sport coat as 'Alan Flamingo', he immediately leaned in to embrace the moniker as his own. He legally changed his name to Alan Dunes-Flamingo, ordered 500 plastic lawn flamingos, bought six more hot pink sport coats and neckties, and adopted the slogan
Let's Go, Flamingo! for his campaign. The following week, he purchased a sizeable collection of gold jewelry from various late-night TV ads, filed to register four separate pairs of rattlesnake boots, and commissioned the first official bobblehead in Grand Unified Alan campaign history.
Dunes-Flamingo eschewed live debates, as he has a mild phobia of public speaking and does not consider himself to be very eloquent anyway, and so he instead focused his energy and capital on what might best be described as campaign pranks. He had a fleet of private couriers distribute the 500 lawn flamingos throughout Alanland's largest cities, along with a few goat-cartloads each of playground sand. In a coordinated effort on October 4¾nd, 2024, under cover of darkness, 500 piles of sand were dumped into the middle of 500 intersections, and 500 pink plastic flamingos were installed in those sand piles along with signs proclaiming 'He Is Already Here!' in shadowed Curlz MT or Brush Script MT fonts. This caper was reported by media outlets to have caused 'massive traffic jams throughout the country', but such was a gross exaggeration: in reality, it was no more than a minor inconvenience, and the flamingo-topped 'sand dunes' were quickly and easily removed. However, it was the reported chaos—overexaggerated or not—that actually propelled Dunes-Flamingo's campaign to the top. For, seething just below the surface of millions of middle-aged housewives and ambitionless youth all across Alanland, there has existed a subconscious, unspoken, bitter rancor against the professional class—that is, against just the type of person who might get stuck in a morning traffic jam. And a bunch of tacky lawn art was all it had taken to disrupt the world of that 'other half' against whom they held their simmering grudge. Alan Dunes-Flamingo was now
their man. No boring politician was he, no modest star of the business world, but a man with a gold bracelet and rattlesnake boots and a cheesy Wednesday midmorning TV smile. And, you know, 'He Is Already Here!" Several segments of the population who had previously been unengaged in politics, who had previously turned out to vote in very low numbers, who had previously never had a candidate to call their own: these suddenly became a democratic force—one that Dunes-Flamingo's rivals had no clue how to reckon with.
(https://i.imgur.com/5Vv1T9a.png)
goat cart filled with sand, Pfpfafafpfpffflapfhaflesbororuouuuugghh, Pfafpff OblastSo far, Dunes-Flamingo's campaign promises have very closely aligned with his constituents' values and priorities. Price caps on staple items at Pfangle, abolishing tariffs on polyester and rayon, reinstating Thursdays, repealing Merritt's Lawn Ornament Act, and the legalization of sequins: these early campaign promises have all cemented his popularity among both ends of the so-called Kitsch Klass. Meanwhile, he hasn't once brought up the previously-all-consuming debate over mandating a 1½π-day workweek. The only hiccup for him so far has been what APR cheekily refers to as the Dumb Dumb Event. As readers will no doubt recall, this is when Alan Dunes-Flamingo allegedly used campaign funds to install an electric motor and automatic buzzer in the dumbwaiter at his half-sister Margaret's house. Not only was the alleged act seen as a misuse of campaign funds, but, more importantly, it allowed his rivals to portray him as a rich boy whose family is too good to do any real domestic labor—even such a simple task as pulling on a dumbwaiter's rope. Alan Corcoran, as he was heard muttering from inside his box, summed up the common sentiment fairly well: "Dude, seriously, for real?" Of course, Dunes-Flamingo's rivals quickly walked back their criticism when it came to light that Margaret is wheelchair-bound with limited use of her arms, but analysts still worried that the damage to Dunes-Flamingo's reputation among his supporters would be too much to recover from. Now that all legal charges have been dropped, though, and only the most conspiracy-happy Merrittites ever bring up the incident anymore, the general sense among political buffs is that the Dumb Dumb Event will come to be seen as nothing more than a bump in the road to Dunes-Flamingo's otherwise-untarnished widespread popularity and success.
And so the age of Tasteful Beige has, at least for now, given way to the age of hot pink. After all, what slogan could possibly be more different from
Beige Is Better than
Let's Go, Flamingo! By any metric, the pink tide shows no sign of turning anytime soon. His constituent base is numerous, his appeal to them is unassailable, and he can seemingly do no wrong in their eyes. Pink and flamingo-themed apparel and household items are filling Pfangle store shelves, and rattlesnake registration applications for the year have already exceeded the previous three years combined. No matter what happens from here, one thing is certain: a new day has dawned on Quindaro. And to those conservatives who have been holding out hope that Alanland will return to the good old Beige Age, there is one clear and resounding message: He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Wow. Welcome back, kphoger!
Back with a bang, but I wouldn't have expected anything less. :biggrin:
Karo-drenched cinnamon rolls always brighten my day. No wonder the Dunes-Flamingo campaign had so much personal appeal.
Take notes, folks,
that's how you make an entrance to the forum.
Welcome back,
@kphoger , and well done. :D
New Alanland Lore! What a way to come back to the forum!
Love that but still am totally lost. Oh well.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 12, 2025, 06:34:36 PMNo wonder the Dunes-Flamingo campaign had so much personal appeal.
Personal appeal is exactly what delivered Dunes-Flamingo the win.
All exit poles are in and have been counted, and the results were just posted this morning. Below are some snips from the .pdf for everyone to look over if interested. I'm sure most of you aren't used to seeing this data, so here is my own guide to reading it:
A. Standard Exit Pole Questions — These are the same questions asked at every election, as mandated by the Introspective Parliament during the Alan Figueroa administration after the LCA debacle. The full questions as asked of respondents are as follows:
Did each of the following influence your vote today? Please select 'TRUE' or 'FALSE' for each statement.
1. My lack of confidence in the incumbent candidate influenced my vote.
2. My lack of confidence in the incumbent party influenced my vote.
3. My lack of confidence in the challenging candidate(s) influenced my vote.
4. My lack of confidence in the challenging party or parties influenced my vote.
5. I believe the incumbent candidate to be inconsistent, and such influenced my vote.
6. I believe the incumbent party to be inconsistent, and such influenced my vote.
7. I believe the challenging candidate(s) to be inconsistent, and such influenced my vote.
5. I believe the challenging party or parties to be inconsistent, and such influenced my vote.
9. I have no major complaint against the incumbent candidate, and that influenced my vote.
10. I have no major complaint against the incumbent party, and that influenced my vote.
11. I have no major complaint against the challenging candidate(s), and that influenced my vote.
12. I have no major complaint against the challenging party or parties, and that influenced my vote.
13. I believe the incumbent candidate to be incapable of wrongdoing, and such influenced my vote.
14. I believe the incumbent party to be incapable of wrongdoing, and such influenced my vote.
15. I believe the challenging candidate(s) to be incapable of wrongdoing, and such influenced my vote.
16. I believe the incumbent party or parties to be incapable of wrongdoing, and such influenced my vote.
17. I feel a personal affinity with the incumbent candidate, which influenced my vote.
18. I feel a personal affinity with the challenging candidate(s), which influenced my vote.
19. Recent scandal(s) regarding the incumbent candidate, if any, influenced my vote.
20. Recent scandal(s) regarding the challenging candidate(s), if any, influenced my vote.
B. Miscellaneous Exit Pole Question — These are questions unique to each election. Unlike the Standard Exit Pole Questions, respondents are required to answer these only when prohibited and/or permitted, but they are neither prohibited nor permitted to answer them when required, except under circumstances governed by the Pencil Act of Swain. The full questions as asked of respondents are as follows:
Did each of the following influence your vote today? Please select 'TRUE' or 'FALSE' for each statement.
21. The recent passage of an Alæxit bill influenced my vote for the incumbent candidate.
22. The recent passage of an Alæxit bill influenced my vote for a challenging candidate.
23. The dumbwaiter buzzer incident influenced my vote for the incumbent candidate.
24. The dumbwaiter buzzer incident influenced my vote for a challenging candidate.
25. The campaign lawn flamingo incident influenced my vote for the incumbent candidate.
26. The campaign lawn flamingo incident influenced my vote for a challenging candidate.
27. The secret war with Nimbya influenced my vote for the incumbent candidate.
28. The secret war with Nimbya influenced my vote for a challenging candidate.
29. The availability of pancake batter influenced my vote for the incumbent candidate.
30. The availability of pancake batter influenced my vote for a challenging candidate.
Results are further broken down according to which candidate the respondent voted for—with F, J, and T designating the party that the respondent voted for.(https://i.imgur.com/XydSz56.png)
As you can see, a whopping 82% of respondents who voted for Alan Dunes-Flamingo said they felt a personal affinity with one of the challengers; for all or nearly all of them, presumably, that would be Dunes-Flamingo. Meanwhile, a much lower 25% of respondents who voted for Alan Merritt said that their vote for him was influenced by a scandal regarding one of the challengers; this figure was predicted to be much higher.
The same .pdf also includes a breakdown of the popular vote by oblast. The data are not weighted by oblast population, but it's still useful for getting a broad understanding of each candidate's popularity by region. Those results are shown below. Note that Havery Oblast is shown for entertainment purposes only.
(https://i.imgur.com/XuQ4NI5.png)
As you can see, Alan Dunes-Flamingo won a surprisingly high number of votes in areas well to the west of Unerie Oblast. For example, even though he wasn't the top overall pick in Pfafpff Oblast, he still managed 38% of the vote there, which we can assume was due mainly to the Lawn Flamingo incident in Pfpfafafpfpffflapfhaflesbororuouuuugghh. This also marks the first time the Toasters lost Leggid Oblast.
I know most of us on this forum like maps, so here is the map for you as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/QFsGtAP.png)
Quote from: Voyager on December 13, 2024, 07:07:18 PMMan...I missed ALL the inside jokes here.
Quote from: Voyager on January 14, 2025, 04:41:10 PMLove that but still am totally lost. Oh well.
Don't feel too bad. As codified by the Introspective Parliament in the so-called Quips and Gags Act (officially the Quips & Gags Act), all Alanland jokes are inside jokes, unless and until such time as the jocularity index exceeds 1.75 or the goat leaves the room, whichever comes first, at which point the joke is declared to be an inside joke. The only way to reverse an inside joke declaration is for the goat to leave the room, but as far as I'm aware that's never been done.
The Monicans have been kicking around the idea of making this a non-moving violation (the joke, not the goat), but... well... Alan Corcoran is still in a cardboard box, so it's not like he'll be any help, amirite!
Holy shit, did we just get an official Alanland Voting Districts map?
Exit pole: (https://png.pngtree.com/png-vector/20231220/ourmid/pngtree-exit-arrow-exit-png-image_11199728.png)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2025, 01:43:39 PMHoly shit, did we just get an official Alanland Voting Districts map?
It's just an oblast map.
Quote from: Big John on January 15, 2025, 02:05:26 PMNor like the poll asking voter preferences.
I think you've missed my point. Alanland exit poles don't look anything like the one in that picture.
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2025, 02:15:19 PMAlanland exit poles
Are there any exit czechs? or exit bahamians? exit fijians?
Seriously, people. Not "polls". Not "Poles". Exit poles. Like these:
(https://i.imgur.com/TlN0nna.png)
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2025, 01:41:13 PM(https://i.imgur.com/XuQ4NI5.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/QFsGtAP.png)
You'll notice that Camargo Oblast is traditionally considered a swing oblast. For a while, in contrast to the usual Alanlandian method of selecting candidates by offing them in a running race, Camargo Oblast did a similar thing with a tire swing (and by "for a while" I mean the years directly and indirectly proceeding after the Caterpillar War). Multiple candidates would step onto a moderately-sized tire swing, and the swing would be swung until all the candidates except one fell off:
(https://i.imgur.com/oiAZoaJ.jpg)
(an artistic portrait from 1942 of Alan Tardis, Alan Leroy, and Alan Camargo VII duking it out in the idyllic days of Camargo Oblast. Just... ignore how the artist portrayed the tire swing. He was not very good at art... and very addicted to goat weed)
These swing-offs, so they were called, could last for various amounts of time. Sometimes they only lasted seconds, but others lasted for hours or even days. As you can probably imagine, this practice soon became violent in the modern era. Candidates beat each other with their fish hats, lizard sprockets were vomited up, and bombardier beetles were used as deadly weapons in one of Alanland's most dangerous political stunts. This bombastic tomfoolery reached its peak during the 1983.5 Alanland GAMER Revolution. Well before the VR craze that has captured the minds of Alanland in the past two weeks, politicians in Camargo Oblast began to use the destructive power of video games such as the Tardis 525, Atari 47 (one of the main reasons Atari video games and the number 47 are prohibited in Alanland, which will become important later), and the Nintendgoat 2
6 to simulate the tire-swing runoffs, albeit in crude analog fashion. These consoles, with titles such as
Swingman,
Swing Wars: Episode 1 - A New Pope, and
Red Rover: Starring Alan Register, led to much strife in the GAMER revolution as it reached its climax.
The defining moment of the GAMER revolution in Camargo Oblast came when Al Tardis (grandson of Alan Tardis), was playing obsessively on his Tardis 525 console (designed by his uncle, Bobert Tardis) and declared after running 1500 simulations of the upcoming tire swing runoff that he would be the winner in a 76%-21%-20.5% landslide (the importance of the word "landslide" would become very important later, in the Agent Anal Toe incident, but that is completely irrelevant to this), hoping to avoid any violent confrontations at the swing-off. However, since this was probably illegal, his primary opponent, Alan Camargo IX, made a public announcement declaring Tardis' statement a farce. A third challenger, Douglas Denim (named after Sir Douglas Flood, among other things), also made a public address, only his was about how "cool" his pants were and about how he was going to "cook" the other candidates in the tire-swing-off. All of this led up to the most anticipated tire-swing-off in Camargo Oblast history.
The swing-off, held in Camargo Oblast's capital, Tulcer Okay, was attended by what seemed to be over 70,000 citizens of Camargo Oblast (I say "seemed" because the historical record does not provide good figures on whether goats and common teals count as citizens. I assume in good faith that common teals were counted as citizens and that goats were not, but that may or may not be the case). Camargo IX, Tardis, and Denim all were ready to proceed with the swing-off when suddenly Tardis pulled out a video game controller from his console and pointed it at Camargo like a weapon. Shocked by this blatant ignorance of the rules, Camargo shouted for a disqualification and began to insult the Tardis family name and company, in part because of Tardis' lame fish hat. Tardis then insulted Camargo with one of the most disgusting, reprehensible insults ever uttered in all of Alanland: "You think my fish hat is bad, huh? Well, there be a curse on you and your descendants to the 47th generation, you Atari-lover!!!" The crowd was stunned silent by these heinous words. This caused Camargo to rush at Tardis and shove him into a nearby blue telephone booth. Remarkably, the telephone booth whisked away, and Camargo and Tardis were gone.
With Camargo and Tardis now out of the race, Denim stepped onto the tire swing and was declared winner by fiat instantly, setting the record for the quickest swing-off at 0.0000...001 seconds. As the new Dominator of Camargo Oblast, Douglas Denim immediately stood on the swing and gave an arousing speech to the shocked crowd, urging for an end to this GAMER Revolution that had divided them all. As a result of this speech, the crowd, and all of Alanland, ended the conflict of the GAMER Revolution, leading to a time of relative peace and prosperity. Denim authorized two new executive orders as Dominator of Camargo Oblast, the first banning the sale of Atari video game machines and outlawing the use of the number 47 and its multiples, owing to the horrific last words of Tardis. This order was eventually signed into Alanland law under the Torrington administration. His second notable order was to make denim jeans the official clothing item of Camargo Oblast. Scenes like this are now prevalent around Tulcer Okay and the rest of Camargo Oblast:
(https://i.imgur.com/sVLTfMc.jpg)
But perhaps the most interesting effect of Denim's leadership as Dominator was the formation of several groups that protested his election, saying that because Camargo IX and Tardis are assumed not to be dead, the election was a sham. These groups allied under the banner "We don't want a Denim Nation!" Soon, they became so radical that they questioned why Camargo Oblast still uses the tire swing instead of fairer, more balanced swings. These groups began to be called "denominations" by the local goats with their weird hillbilly accents, butchering the pronunciation of "Denim Nation". But recently, these groups have begun to fragment, forming small independent denominations, such as the Rope Swing Denomination, the Swing Dance Denomination, and the Rusty Old Playground Swing Denomination. All of these denominations agree that the tire swing has to go, but they majorly disagree on what should replace it; hence, they remain divided and condemned to the rural areas of Camargo Oblast. Care should be taken driving along AL 48 in the Camargo Forest Reserve, as rogue bands of these "denominations" swing from the trees with their pet baboons and hijack vehicles.
It is this relative unrest that I believe has caused Dunes-Flamingo to have so much popularity in Camargo Oblast. His policy decisions seem to echo that of the Denim administration, so citizens of the oblast want to return to the idyllic days of the Denim administration. That is why Camargo Oblast is known as a swing oblast, and that is why it is nicknamed "the Denim Nation".
And ah yes, I think I remember that artist's name; I think it was hotpot.ai (https://hotpot.ai) or something like that.
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 16, 2025, 08:37:36 PMThe defining moment of the GAMER revolution in Camargo Oblast came when Al Tardis (grandson of Alan Tardis), was playing obsessively on his Tardis 525 console (designed by his uncle, Bobert Tardis) and declared after running 1500 simulations of the upcoming tire swing runoff that he would be the winner in a 76%-21%-20.5% landslide (the importance of the word "landslide" would become very important later, in the Agent Anal Toe incident, but that is completely irrelevant to this), hoping to avoid any violent confrontations at the swing-off.
Wow, I had totally forgotten about the Agent Anal Toe incident! It does just go to show that history repeats itself, though, doesn't it?
And thank you for reminding us of
the landslide election of Alan Register (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32635.msg2816977#msg2816977), and also
the events of June 7, 2021 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32280.msg2899109#msg2899109). Boy, nobody can complain that politics is boring, can they? Now that I've gotten back into reading non-fiction recently, I should brush up on my Alanland history.
Thank you, AlanLad and Chester Cheetah!
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 16, 2025, 08:37:36 PMThe swing-off, held in Camargo Oblast's capital, Tulcer Okay, was attended by what seemed to be over 70,000 citizens of Camargo Oblast (I say "seemed" because the historical record does not provide good figures on whether goats and common teals count as citizens. I assume in good faith that common teals were counted as citizens and that goats were not, but that may or and may not be the case).
FTFY.
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 16, 2025, 08:37:36 PMBut perhaps the most interesting effect of Denim's leadership as Dominator was the formation of several groups that protested his election, saying that because Camargo IX and Tardis are assumed not to be dead, the election was a sham. These groups allied under the banner "We don't want a Denim Nation!" Soon, they became so radical that they questioned why Camargo Oblast still uses the tire swing instead of fairer, more balanced swings. These groups began to be called "denominations" by the local goats with their weird hillbilly accents, butchering the pronunciation of "Denim Nation". But recently, these groups have begun to fragment, forming small independent denominations, such as the Rope Swing Denomination, the Swing Dance Denomination, and the Rusty Old Playground Swing Denomination. All of these denominations agree that the tire swing has to go, but they majorly disagree on what should replace it; hence, they remain divided and condemned to the rural areas of Camargo Oblast
Don't forget the more recently incorporated Old Swingers Denomination, who have been reported to use tire swings for... umm...
other purposes (https://petdiys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/DIY-Goat-Tire-Tier-Playground.jpg).
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 16, 2025, 08:37:36 PMIt is this relative unrest that I believe has caused Dunes-Flamingo to have so much popularity in Camargo Oblast. His policy decisions seem to echo that of the Denim administration, so citizens of the oblast want to return to the idyllic days of the Denim administration.
You know, I hadn't considered that, but it rings true. I had just assumed it was geographical proximity to Unerie Oblast; while that undoubtedly was a major contributing factor, you're correct that it doesn't account for Dunes-Flamingo's carrying twice the vote of any other candidate. And now that you've pointed it out, I'm surprised not to have seen a single pundit having suggested the same. Great insight!
I'm gonna say this right now, and I must reveal myself. I have been lying.
I voted for Dunes-Flamingo.
I just found his way of politics enchanting to me, plus, I like Merritt better as a person, just.. I don't think I could've dealt with him anymore.
Did anyone else vote for Dunes-Flamingo?
That pimpin pink blazer always had my vote. It just took someone to wield it.
Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on January 16, 2025, 11:50:27 PMDid anyone else vote for Dunes-Flamingo?
Yes, a lot of people voted for him. That's how he won the election.
Quote from: Voyager on January 14, 2025, 04:41:10 PMLove that but still am totally lost.
That's OK, by the way. After all, the paradox of being socially lost but not physically lost is what brings everyone on this forum together, so I'd say embrace it. :)
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2025, 09:22:24 PMAnd now that you've pointed it out, I'm surprised not to have seen a single pundit having suggested the same. Great insight!
I don't really consider myself a pundit. Something more along the lines of Camargo Oblast Historian would be a better title.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2025, 10:45:01 AMQuote from: Voyager on January 14, 2025, 04:41:10 PMLove that but still am totally lost.
That's OK, by the way. After all, the paradox of being socially lost but not physically lost is what brings everyone on this forum together, so I'd say embrace it. :)
In Alanland, all are physically lost, mentally lost, and socially lost, but they are not spiritually lost or porcinely lost. This may and may not be the thing that brings the country together.
Quote from: Voyager on January 14, 2025, 04:41:10 PMLove that but still am totally lost. Oh well.
I assume you are aware of the long-running (now-closed) thread in question, but if not, here it is. Read at your own risk. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0)
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 17, 2025, 10:49:05 AMIn Alanland, all are physically lost, mentally lost, and socially lost, but they are not spiritually lost or porcinely lost.
Exactly. This has been the case ever since the passage of Amendment 0.0.h! to the Brunsweld Edict.
alan.alanland.gov.aa/edicts/sess3.6/sec2/hrc/619/brunsweld/v2.pdf (https://www.stat.ee/sites/default/files/2022-01/113622_K%C3%A4siraamat_et.pdf) (.pdf warning)
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 17, 2025, 10:49:05 AMQuoteThat's OK, by the way. After all, the paradox of being socially lost but not physically lost is what brings everyone on this forum together, so I'd say embrace it. :)
In Alanland, all are physically lost, mentally lost, and socially lost, but they are not spiritually lost or porcinely lost.
I understand I am going nowhere with this, but a defining feature of roadgeeks is our tendency to be great with navigation and directions and thus NOT be physically lost... just in case being mentally lost prevented anyone from making that connection. :-P
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 17, 2025, 10:49:05 AMIn Alanland, all are physically lost,
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2025, 11:04:36 AMI understand I am going nowhere with this, but a defining feature of roadgeeks is our tendency to be great with navigation and directions and thus NOT be physically lost.
The vast majority of roadgeeks are not in Alanland.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2025, 11:04:36 AMQuote from: CoreySamson on January 17, 2025, 10:49:05 AMQuoteThat's OK, by the way. After all, the paradox of being socially lost but not physically lost is what brings everyone on this forum together, so I'd say embrace it. :)
In Alanland, all are physically lost, mentally lost, and socially lost, but they are not spiritually lost or porcinely lost.
I understand I am going nowhere with this, but a defining feature of roadgeeks is our tendency to be great with navigation and directions and thus NOT be physically lost...
In Alanland being a road fan involved getting yourself deliberately and accidentally lost.
Quote from: Grzrd on October 17, 2012, 04:28:28 PMAlanland roadgeeks are debating whether the road leading from the I-5 ghost ramp should be I-5A or an I-x5.
Speaking of roadgeeks in Alanland, does anyone know if they've resolved this debate? It's been over twelve years now since it was brought up.
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2025, 12:14:34 PMQuote from: Grzrd on October 17, 2012, 04:28:28 PMAlanland roadgeeks are debating whether the road leading from the I-5 ghost ramp should be I-5A or an I-x5.
Speaking of roadgeeks in Alanland, does anyone know if they've resolved this debate? It's been over twelve years now since it was brought up.
The route logs show "A-5I(II)".
They're actual logs, so a particularly cold winter may cause deletion of routes.
Quote from: formulanone on January 17, 2025, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 17, 2025, 12:14:34 PMQuote from: Grzrd on October 17, 2012, 04:28:28 PMAlanland roadgeeks are debating whether the road leading from the I-5 ghost ramp should be I-5A or an I-x5.
Speaking of roadgeeks in Alanland, does anyone know if they've resolved this debate? It's been over twelve years now since it was brought up.
The route logs show "A-5I(II)".
They're actual logs, so a particularly cold winter may cause deletion of routes.
I know. I wasn't asking what the actual designation is; that's easily confirmed in the logs, as you have just proven. I was asking if the Alanland roadgeeks have resolved their debate.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2025, 10:51:28 AMQuote from: Voyager on January 14, 2025, 04:41:10 PMLove that but still am totally lost. Oh well.
I assume you are aware of the long-running (now-closed) thread in question, but if not, here it is. Read at your own risk. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0)
Ohhhh, that one. I'm the creator of the other infamous thread (now gone forever, as it should be), but Alanland is unmatched.
Quote from: kphoger on January 17, 2025, 12:26:15 PMQuote from: formulanone on January 17, 2025, 12:22:51 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 17, 2025, 12:14:34 PMQuote from: Grzrd on October 17, 2012, 04:28:28 PMAlanland roadgeeks are debating whether the road leading from the I-5 ghost ramp should be I-5A or an I-x5.
Speaking of roadgeeks in Alanland, does anyone know if they've resolved this debate? It's been over twelve years now since it was brought up.
The route logs show "A-5I(II)".
They're actual logs, so a particularly cold winter may cause deletion of routes.
I know. I wasn't asking what the actual designation is; that's easily confirmed in the logs, as you have just proven. I was asking if the Alanland roadgeeks have resolved their debate.
There has not been a gloam in Glacier Bay NP in 6 months, so there has been no opportunity for them to explore the ghost ramp. There are rumors amongst Alanland roadgeeks that there was a resigning project for the I-5 Alaska Extension, but there is no proof that the signs at the ghost ramp were put up or even exist. One roadgeek went on the Extension 2 weeks ago and found a trail of Velveeta cheese and large footprints, vaguely in the area where the ghost ramp is sighted. Some roadgeeks have taken this to mean that the signs were consumed by "the bears," while others say the signs are still there. So AFAIK, the debate rages on.