https://www.businesstoday.in/visualstories/news/a-tunnel-from-london-to-new-york-can-elon-musks-20b-plan-survive-5500-meters-of-atlantic-depths-197135-25-12-2024
We all would laugh at Fritzowl and his trans Oceanic freeways, but here is a Business Today journal article that has Mr Musk getting into some weird territory.
Not critiquing or passing judgement, but find this idea ironic that the billionaire thinks like a user on here.
Elon Musk comes up with a stupid idea, and—this breaking news just in—Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
They aren't the same people - FritzOwl likes interstates to be very scenic (through National Parks, etc), whereas Elon loves to be boring and put everything underground.
Quote from: english si on December 27, 2024, 05:22:41 AMThey aren't the same people - FritzOwl likes interstates to be very scenic (through National Parks, etc), whereas Elon loves to be boring and put everything underground.
and doing that would require extensive borings.
K12 sniped.
Quote from: Big John on December 27, 2024, 07:18:52 AMand doing that would require extensive borings.
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He wanted an oceanside tunnel between SF and LA - IMHO much more feasible exercise. If he can push transatlantic idea and get at least long island one, I would say that isn't a pipe dream.
I have literally never made this connection until now
Quote from: english si on December 27, 2024, 05:22:41 AMThey aren't the same people
Has anyone ever seen them at the same party?
20 billion pounds wouldn't even come close to building a tunnel that long, even if it wasn't under deep water. The Gothard Base Tunnel cost USD 12 billion for a 57 km tunnel.
Quote from: kkt on December 27, 2024, 10:28:10 AM20 billion pounds wouldn't even come close to building a tunnel that long, even if it wasn't under deep water.
I saw $20 trillion as the figure on various articles about this a week ago.
My question is how do you deal with the Continental Shelf that drops off the ocean floor off the North American Coast?
Then how do get fuel ( or is it to give into the Tesla vehicles and have charging stations every 50 miles) to the motorists as the Atlantic is 2,800 nautical miles across from the US to Europe?
What about food and lodging?
It's closer to 1850 (statute) miles if you measure from Labrador to Ireland. 1950 to the tip of Scotland. 2100 if you want to go Labrador-Greenland-Iceland-Scotland. 2100 from Newfoundland directly to Spain if you want to go that route. Still significantly less than 3200.
Quote from: epzik8 on December 27, 2024, 08:29:38 AMI have literally never made this connection until now
Have any of the muskrat's tunnels made a connection?
I kind of take this comparison as an insult to FritzOwl.
Elon Musk isn't nearly as smart as he (and his fan-bois) think he is. The term "idiot savant" comes to mind.
Elon is more K12 than FritzOwl.
Quote from: english si on December 27, 2024, 11:07:10 AMQuote from: kkt on December 27, 2024, 10:28:10 AM20 billion pounds wouldn't even come close to building a tunnel that long, even if it wasn't under deep water.
I saw $20 trillion as the figure on various articles about this a week ago.
The Business Week article linked above was quoting 20 billion UK pounds. Which doesn't make it a correct quote, of course. Trillions might be enough? They also said he envisioned hyperloop trains running in it, so presumably the train could carry three shifts of train operators. That would at least simplify the gas food and lodging problem, as well as venting the exhaust. So he's got two major new technologies, tunneling and hyperloop, I'd like to see both of them tried on a smaller scale successfully before starting a transatlantic tunnel.
There's a Harry Harrison science fiction/fantasy novel, A Transatlantic Tunnel Hurrah!, in which the United States never became independent and the tunnel is between the UK and the North American mainland.
Quote from: kkt on December 27, 2024, 10:05:21 PMThe Business Week article linked above was quoting 20 billion UK pounds.
Every other article is using either $20 trillion or £15 trillion. Business Week made a typo, or doesn't understand big numbers - that's my point.
£20 billion pounds could get you not even all of the Rogfast Tunnel - and those Norwegians can make a cheap tunnel, but it's costing £36bn.
It might not be a typo. "Billion" used to mean 10^12 in the UK.
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 28, 2024, 07:30:25 AMIt might not be a typo. "Billion" used to mean 10^12 in the UK.
And still does in many foreign languages (French, for instance).
Quote from: hotdogPi on December 28, 2024, 07:30:25 AMIt might not be a typo. "Billion" used to mean 10^12 in the UK.
Yes, but that changed a long time ago. 1970s, I think, as far as the government reporting financial figures.
Quote from: english si on December 27, 2024, 05:22:41 AM...FritzOwl likes interstates to be very scenic (through National Parks, etc)...
...and he also wants to expand the system to other continents.
Elon in my opinion, is a combination of K12 and FritzOwl. He takes FritzOwls plans, makes them K12-like, and then publishes them to the world. The Hyperloop especially, do we really need that? Or the Cybertruck? Or K12 and FritzOwls plans? Maybe Elon IS FritzOwl.