Let's be real, it totally is.
Not as flat as Florida, but close enough.
I see you have not spent much time in Northwestern (Galena area) or Southern (Shawnee Forest) Illinois. :D
From what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 12:16:43 PMI see you have not spent much time in Northwestern (Galena area) or Southern (Shawnee Forest) Illinois. :D
Amusing unlike Lord Carhorn I actually clinched all the counties in Illinois when I lived there. I never understood how that guy thought he could claim to be an expert on the state if he had only visited about 60% of the counties.
Quote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 12:32:34 PMFrom what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Yes, that is accurate. Thing was that this didn't become a forum meme because of anyone trying to defend the honor of Florida. K12 clearly has read some of this Crash_It stuff if he dug up this Flat Illinois business. I don't know why he thinks it is a good idea to champion the cause of this forum's greatest villain.
He once told me that Michigan is flatter than Illinois. Like really? I don't think so. Then after that he proceeded to tell me that Saginaw County is Michigan's flattest county. Then come to find out he had only been to Niles and not any further into the state.
Illinois does have its non-flat areas, but I think people overstate how nice they are because the rest of the place is mind-numbingly flat.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:33:22 PMQuote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 12:16:43 PMI see you have not spent much time in Northwestern (Galena area) or Southern (Shawnee Forest) Illinois. :D
Amusing unlike Lord Carhorn I actually clinched all the counties in Illinois when I lived there. I never understood how that guy thought he could claim to be an expert on the state if he had only visited about 60% of the counties.
My bigger issue with Crash It was his insistence that Illinois had superior quality of roads despite showing him actual Streetview pics from around that state of shitty roads. I have been to roughly 85 of the 102 counties in this state. With few exceptions, it is flat. The Driftless Area by Galena is more because of the glaciers that came down from Wisconsin. The Shawnee Forest is beautiful with rolling hills but that's from being in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys.
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 02:42:57 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:33:22 PMQuote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 12:16:43 PMI see you have not spent much time in Northwestern (Galena area) or Southern (Shawnee Forest) Illinois. :D
Amusing unlike Lord Carhorn I actually clinched all the counties in Illinois when I lived there. I never understood how that guy thought he could claim to be an expert on the state if he had only visited about 60% of the counties.
My bigger issue with Crash It was his insistence that Illinois had superior quality of roads despite showing him actual Streetview pics from around that state of shitty roads. I have been to roughly 85 of the 102 counties in this state. With few exceptions, it is flat. The Driftless Area by Galena is more because of the glaciers that came down from Wisconsin. The Shawnee Forest is beautiful with rolling hills but that's from being in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys.
It was a strange hill to die on. But then again, there was a lot of strange hills with him.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 02:51:58 PMQuote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 02:42:57 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:33:22 PMQuote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 12:16:43 PMI see you have not spent much time in Northwestern (Galena area) or Southern (Shawnee Forest) Illinois. :D
Amusing unlike Lord Carhorn I actually clinched all the counties in Illinois when I lived there. I never understood how that guy thought he could claim to be an expert on the state if he had only visited about 60% of the counties.
My bigger issue with Crash It was his insistence that Illinois had superior quality of roads despite showing him actual Streetview pics from around that state of shitty roads. I have been to roughly 85 of the 102 counties in this state. With few exceptions, it is flat. The Driftless Area by Galena is more because of the glaciers that came down from Wisconsin. The Shawnee Forest is beautiful with rolling hills but that's from being in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys.
It was a strange hill to die on. But then again, there was a lot of strange hills with him.
What hills in Illinois?
Quote from: Big John on March 15, 2025, 03:13:54 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 02:51:58 PMQuote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 02:42:57 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:33:22 PMQuote from: hobsini2 on March 15, 2025, 12:16:43 PMI see you have not spent much time in Northwestern (Galena area) or Southern (Shawnee Forest) Illinois. :D
Amusing unlike Lord Carhorn I actually clinched all the counties in Illinois when I lived there. I never understood how that guy thought he could claim to be an expert on the state if he had only visited about 60% of the counties.
My bigger issue with Crash It was his insistence that Illinois had superior quality of roads despite showing him actual Streetview pics from around that state of shitty roads. I have been to roughly 85 of the 102 counties in this state. With few exceptions, it is flat. The Driftless Area by Galena is more because of the glaciers that came down from Wisconsin. The Shawnee Forest is beautiful with rolling hills but that's from being in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys.
It was a strange hill to die on. But then again, there was a lot of strange hills with him.
What hills in Illinois?
Exactly. ;-)
Let's debate whether the Earth is flat.
I want to say it's flat, but the space it occupies is curved, so it's flat because it runs parallel to the space it occupies but it forms a sphere because that's the shape of that space, suggesting that there's a black hole in the middle.
When I run a mathematical analysis, I find that the curvature is not even. The analysis indicates that Illinois and portions of adjacent states lie within a transition zone. The area is perfectly flat. Space rises with every hill and falls with every valley. The ground is perfectly level with the space it's in. The greatest elevation variability in any state, and anywhere in the world, is in Florida, due to a random spatial flexure. Texas, strangely, is concave, lying tens of thousands of feet below what would be sea level if not for a spatial bubble pulling its apparent elevation upward.
It appears we live in a strange world in which fate is determined by gravity. This tells us that the black hole beneath us is the future. It won't destroy the planet because we'll move closer but never get to it.
Quote from: wxfree on March 15, 2025, 03:29:53 PMLet's debate whether the Earth is flat.
It's not a debate. It's round.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on March 15, 2025, 04:40:26 PMQuote from: wxfree on March 15, 2025, 03:29:53 PMLet's debate whether the Earth is flat.
It's not a debate. It's round.
Round and flat are not necessarily exclusive in the case of a planet, unlike in the case of a person.
Quote from: wxfree on March 15, 2025, 03:29:53 PMLet's debate whether the Earth is flat.
I want to say it's flat, but the space it occupies is curved, so it's flat because it runs parallel to the space it occupies but it forms a sphere because that's the shape of that space, suggesting that there's a black hole in the middle.
When I run a mathematical analysis, I find that the curvature is not even. The analysis indicates that Illinois and portions of adjacent states lie within a transition zone. The area is perfectly flat. Space rises with every hill and falls with every valley. The ground is perfectly level with the space it's in. The greatest elevation variability in any state, and anywhere in the world, is in Florida, due to a random spatial flexure. Texas, strangely, is concave, lying tens of thousands of feet below what would be sea level if not for a spatial bubble pulling its apparent elevation upward.
It appears we live in a strange world in which fate is determined by gravity. This tells us that the black hole beneath us is the future. It won't destroy the planet because we'll move closer but never get to it.
Anything is flat if you experience reality only in two dimensions.
Illinois should build a 1:1 scale replica of Denali in Forgottonia to settle this debate once and for all.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:35:55 PMQuote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 12:32:34 PMFrom what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Yes, that is accurate. Thing was that this didn't become a forum meme because of anyone trying to defend the honor of Florida. K12 clearly has read some of this Crash_It stuff if he dug up this Flat Illinois business. I don't know why he thinks it is a good idea to champion the cause of this forum's greatest villain.
Was this in any way associated with the thread How to determine the flatness of a state? Pass the aspirin... (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34003)?
Quote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 08:38:18 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:35:55 PMQuote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 12:32:34 PMFrom what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Yes, that is accurate. Thing was that this didn't become a forum meme because of anyone trying to defend the honor of Florida. K12 clearly has read some of this Crash_It stuff if he dug up this Flat Illinois business. I don't know why he thinks it is a good idea to champion the cause of this forum's greatest villain.
Was this in any way associated with the thread How to determine the flatness of a state? Pass the aspirin... (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34003)?
I don't think you were part of the Lord Carhorn wars? I referenced it though in my reply to you in the thread you just linked.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 15, 2025, 04:42:29 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on March 15, 2025, 04:40:26 PMQuote from: wxfree on March 15, 2025, 03:29:53 PMLet's debate whether the Earth is flat.
It's not a debate. It's round.
Round and flat are not necessarily exclusive in the case of a planet, unlike in the case of a person.
Hence, Pizza Planet.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 15, 2025, 04:42:29 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on March 15, 2025, 04:40:26 PMQuote from: wxfree on March 15, 2025, 03:29:53 PMLet's debate whether the Earth is flat.
It's not a debate. It's round.
Round and flat are not necessarily exclusive in the case of a planet, unlike in the case of a person.
I mean, I guess we ARE talking about Illinois...
Quote from: Big JohnWhat hills in Illinois?
On I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/B6FcS5kmqbSohKKA7)
Another hill off to the side of I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/BdrWectzMvM9Nmer5)
Another on IL 104 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/uApBnzNW3S6LfcQC7)
One on IL 336 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmLkGSRbB2RN1FEX6)
On I-74 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/wy6YrxsgHbueGwMG8)
On I-90 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/WfarjDzrSjL1MqwL6) (and anyone who disagrees with this one needs to have the pleasure of getting on EB behind a truck[/url]
On IL 130 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyEUBHMDfK2qmaoP9)
On IL 130 again (https://maps.app.goo.gl/zHFsAhYWpTYBw1oL6)
On US 45 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/G6e1pUnbiPGux22B8)
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 15, 2025, 10:11:54 PMQuote from: Big JohnWhat hills in Illinois?
On I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/B6FcS5kmqbSohKKA7)
Another hill off to the side of I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/BdrWectzMvM9Nmer5)
Another on IL 104 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/uApBnzNW3S6LfcQC7)
One on IL 336 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmLkGSRbB2RN1FEX6)
On I-74 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/wy6YrxsgHbueGwMG8)
On I-90 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/WfarjDzrSjL1MqwL6) (and anyone who disagrees with this one needs to have the pleasure of getting on EB behind a truck[/url]
On IL 130 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyEUBHMDfK2qmaoP9)
On IL 130 again (https://maps.app.goo.gl/zHFsAhYWpTYBw1oL6)
On US 45 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/G6e1pUnbiPGux22B8)
It must be sad if you were born in a place where the majority of those counted for hills. I'd be responding to hill enlargement emails if that were me.
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 15, 2025, 10:11:54 PMQuote from: Big JohnWhat hills in Illinois?
On I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/B6FcS5kmqbSohKKA7)
Another hill off to the side of I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/BdrWectzMvM9Nmer5)
Another on IL 104 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/uApBnzNW3S6LfcQC7)
One on IL 336 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmLkGSRbB2RN1FEX6)
On I-74 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/wy6YrxsgHbueGwMG8)
On I-90 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/WfarjDzrSjL1MqwL6) (and anyone who disagrees with this one needs to have the pleasure of getting on EB behind a truck[/url]
On IL 130 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyEUBHMDfK2qmaoP9)
On IL 130 again (https://maps.app.goo.gl/zHFsAhYWpTYBw1oL6)
On US 45 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/G6e1pUnbiPGux22B8)
This isn't the first time I've seen you post a bunch of links to sad-looking hills to defend the non-flatness of Illinois. Do you have a folder of these saved up or something?
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on March 16, 2025, 12:09:57 AMQuote from: Revive 755 on March 15, 2025, 10:11:54 PMQuote from: Big JohnWhat hills in Illinois?
On I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/B6FcS5kmqbSohKKA7)
Another hill off to the side of I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/BdrWectzMvM9Nmer5)
Another on IL 104 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/uApBnzNW3S6LfcQC7)
One on IL 336 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmLkGSRbB2RN1FEX6)
On I-74 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/wy6YrxsgHbueGwMG8)
On I-90 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/WfarjDzrSjL1MqwL6) (and anyone who disagrees with this one needs to have the pleasure of getting on EB behind a truck[/url]
On IL 130 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyEUBHMDfK2qmaoP9)
On IL 130 again (https://maps.app.goo.gl/zHFsAhYWpTYBw1oL6)
On US 45 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/G6e1pUnbiPGux22B8)
This isn't the first time I've seen you post a bunch of links to sad-looking hills to defend the non-flatness of Illinois. Do you have a folder of these saved up or something?
Eureka! I have found another mild change in elevation!
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 15, 2025, 04:42:29 PMRound and flat are not necessarily exclusive in the case of a planet, unlike in the case of a person.
A person can be round in some places and flat in others.
And here's the thing...why doesn't Illinois just embrace its flatness? Honestly there is something awe-inspiring to drive along I-88 east of the Quad Cities and see completely flat farmland for miles in every direction. How something can be that flat, and that fertile, is pretty amazing.
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on March 16, 2025, 12:09:57 AMQuote from: Revive 755 on March 15, 2025, 10:11:54 PMQuote from: Big JohnWhat hills in Illinois?
On I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/B6FcS5kmqbSohKKA7)
Another hill off to the side of I-55 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/BdrWectzMvM9Nmer5)
Another on IL 104 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/uApBnzNW3S6LfcQC7)
One on IL 336 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XmLkGSRbB2RN1FEX6)
On I-74 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/wy6YrxsgHbueGwMG8)
On I-90 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/WfarjDzrSjL1MqwL6) (and anyone who disagrees with this one needs to have the pleasure of getting on EB behind a truck[/url]
On IL 130 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/XyEUBHMDfK2qmaoP9)
On IL 130 again (https://maps.app.goo.gl/zHFsAhYWpTYBw1oL6)
On US 45 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/G6e1pUnbiPGux22B8)
This isn't the first time I've seen you post a bunch of links to sad-looking hills to defend the non-flatness of Illinois. Do you have a folder of these saved up or something?
This has been a trope on the forum for like 3 years now. Every single time someone does it, they cripple their own point because at least two thirds of the links are unquestionably flat.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 16, 2025, 09:22:55 AMAnd here's the thing...why doesn't Illinois just embrace its flatness?
Living somewhere with mountains now, I can appreciate that places like Illinois don't have
much elevation change. But Illinois does at least have enough hills to make biking annoying. People who don't know flat aren't in my former shoes of my former neighborhood... (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5297405,-101.9501304,3a,49.7y,178.85h,90.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3GK2DmDIC-a0Ej9umG2_6w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-0.21742687170296904%26panoid%3D3GK2DmDIC-a0Ej9umG2_6w%26yaw%3D178.84937653106005!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)
Quote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 08:38:18 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2025, 12:35:55 PMQuote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 12:32:34 PMFrom what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Yes, that is accurate. Thing was that this didn't become a forum meme because of anyone trying to defend the honor of Florida. K12 clearly has read some of this Crash_It stuff if he dug up this Flat Illinois business. I don't know why he thinks it is a good idea to champion the cause of this forum's greatest villain.
Was this in any way associated with the thread How to determine the flatness of a state? Pass the aspirin... (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=34003)?
:hmmm:
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 16, 2025, 12:24:53 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on March 16, 2025, 09:22:55 AMAnd here's the thing...why doesn't Illinois just embrace its flatness?
Living somewhere with mountains now, I can appreciate that places like Illinois don't have much elevation change. But Illinois does at least have enough hills to make biking annoying. People who don't know flat aren't in my former shoes of my former neighborhood... (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5297405,-101.9501304,3a,49.7y,178.85h,90.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3GK2DmDIC-a0Ej9umG2_6w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-0.21742687170296904%26panoid%3D3GK2DmDIC-a0Ej9umG2_6w%26yaw%3D178.84937653106005!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e4?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)
see now, Illinois has way more of these than Oklahoma does.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 15, 2025, 01:21:33 PMIllinois does have its non-flat areas, but I think people overstate how nice they are because the rest of the place is mind-numbingly flat.
This is the most accurate and succinct summary of Illinois's topography that I've seen on here.
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on March 16, 2025, 12:09:57 AMThis isn't the first time I've seen you post a bunch of links to sad-looking hills to defend the non-flatness of Illinois. Do you have a folder of these saved up or something?
:paranoid: Ummm... Uhhh.........
/me opens up a folder on his computer, clicks on filename
Illinois, does copy-and-paste...
https://goo.gl/maps/16tEosS5T3Xv9Yqo7 | Old US 51
https://goo.gl/maps/GPFW8H2UagmZEa8F7 | Skyline Dr
https://goo.gl/maps/adAqycaGZYBLFYE98 | IL 127
https://goo.gl/maps/WH4y4WCMgUpFnKTGA | Mountain Glen Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/iD13eWM3SXDYmiGn6 | Bell Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/kPPxVZVJTQH8MU3s6 | US 51
https://goo.gl/maps/yDNRhahi2A4o6eF38 | Lick Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/dRR8bwFtx1o1tE7i8 | I 57
https://goo.gl/maps/k4omzwYys77aia4dA | Goreville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/cVP1GiXEUpMrtfRFA | IL 37
https://goo.gl/maps/ar2nbzkDTaCfuUdA8 | Tunnel Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/BCt8f3TUci4SDPC8A | IL 186
https://goo.gl/maps/RGgY6rKyLAZ74fYC8 | Saraville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/9NX8dZqp9GiqobU3A | US 45
https://goo.gl/maps/SPCoXdX3XXR4sYbr8 | IL 147
https://goo.gl/maps/AtFo9SM4pZYr1ZGC9 | IL 145
https://goo.gl/maps/uitbFcDotesUF1RJ7 | IL 146
https://goo.gl/maps/Tow5Qj8xw62MGzp79 | I 24
https://goo.gl/maps/prEH3mdQ2oVgxCSg8 | North Ave
https://goo.gl/maps/sVV4TBMdfUh1PBeH7 | Grapevine Trl
https://goo.gl/maps/GHwBnDZMFZTNisQZ8 | Mill Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/NnbvcSgpQ8ZDUDYDA | Berryville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/PZ6KHD6QuNJu39rp6 | Alto Water Works Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/GNwupckFsuZDcs6V9 | Makanda Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/TxPPR9Mm61iJpJVj8 | Stonefort Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/XfbKEmenQd9x5Q9Z8 | Bald Knob
https://goo.gl/maps/xiLQDgvckFRc6B4Y9 | Giant City State Park
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https://goo.gl/maps/FndTXhoyv9SPKHXe9 | Greg Hollow Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/mQbQ8rnnfUwwfrXFA | IL 3
https://goo.gl/maps/yApU3rNmxocCQkaW7 | IL 169
https://goo.gl/maps/YKycpYmZp91tQNkH7 | Rosebud Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/8FsFr1dgZzmpfCqK6 | Clanahan Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/cnzP8rpHGYw1qLDu5 | New Harmony Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/bydAK6nZ5ZAHsNfe8 | IL 34
https://goo.gl/maps/WPghmZiLSjqTWVVL8 | Bassett Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/nXxUuZ2StHo4Eii47 | Tower Rock Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/GgZXhmVjEsL8kch38 | IL 1
https://goo.gl/maps/DepeBPDW5dLNAB3N7 | Karbers Ridge Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/CAatbyYqusxPR27U9 | Forest Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/xuAFqJBGJaKSrMDEA | IL 13
https://goo.gl/maps/pzzxncbxqysDrrfv9 | IL 142
https://goo.gl/maps/LeSCCjmCkQ4VNHBx6 | IL 141
https://goo.gl/maps/zXpwW9gV5JYRKWqK9 | Harco Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/YzN3qn8WayqB2V6v5 | Corinth Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/RLGFoTX7wfVxDgZ98 | Hamilton County Rd 875E
https://goo.gl/maps/zgBwwTFASE6T2DHQ6 | IL 14
https://goo.gl/maps/uRkXiGCkRLQhLGox5 | Town Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/YQmQQBjVfibVpgEZ7 | IL 149
https://goo.gl/maps/Xz4a3rFFMt24bMAo6 | Old IL 13
https://goo.gl/maps/1d5aQZrMtMhGGUgw8 | Giant City Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/6Uj7iCAJqgZkDmex9 | Grassy Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/u8KycRuvWUqWFcta6 | Boskydell Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/9dQYAzBjigLJRjZk7 | Pounds Escarpment
https://goo.gl/maps/e2LP2tgeSySQPxTf8 | Pounds Hollow
https://goo.gl/maps/YNwVW3nt8R41FqKH8 | Garden of the Gods
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https://goo.gl/maps/XF9SbRTDDXnM3tBb8 | Randolph County Rd 5
https://goo.gl/maps/J3Kxa848zqLnqnr4A | County Farm Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/FJdhdJAsGwvAQWiG7 | IL 150
https://goo.gl/maps/uVZohUiD2grS7j2p7 | Palestine Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/QTuL5gM6Be2z9mhY9 | Wine Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/Wpzvboobp7oEGeqd7 | IL 151
https://goo.gl/maps/d1ZMWJ6KZzcXLYaK8 | Ava Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/8VNTyvSfdZWCiLSM9 | IL 4
https://goo.gl/maps/kwHG15VDhkfN5Nra8 | Union School Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/sULvPkvrM6YpMuV98 | Bandyville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/9MC8pZ2qeowbq7iR6 | Fowler School Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/TcvuzVTQ7eGveLsJ7 | Seymour Lake Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/8MJDvYsykEqwjcfj7 | Shawneetown Trl
https://goo.gl/maps/Eij3GZm4DFRwTSNQ9 | Rockcastle Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/HE3hmmDMzdzCNo6T9 | Galatia Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/hz1iniCKtnXGwyjd9 | Telephone Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/Va3kDoqfsLmsWUAL9 | Hamilton County Rd 700E
https://goo.gl/maps/p8sFiRZMxSo5rHy79 | White County Rd 650N
https://goo.gl/maps/YXnMumCUacyFYAE5A | White County Rd 800E
https://goo.gl/maps/AyCRR9hBLSj3gmpB9 | IL 130
https://goo.gl/maps/1qzqrQ55mBYp4Yeo7 | Stoneface Research Natural Area
https://goo.gl/maps/BUcHcQ2mNYpiyQ2z6 | Piney Creek Ravine
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https://goo.gl/maps/Y2QpLJ5EWVURA1jh6 | Du Bois Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/oBJd6stqejSAZSTz5 | Schuline Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/SN9UEaMbDPZfWULZ9 | Goldfish Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/wWNoes7jxR9kQYSs5 | Loy School Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/kiAPgrFsxZmVt48n7 | Fleur-de-Lis Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/C9Ax2nW5nuXwoNot7 | Rose of Sharon Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/1qkY1ZmijPTheagQ8 | Woodhaven Rd
Quote from: Bruce on March 15, 2025, 05:27:57 PMIllinois should build a 1:1 scale replica of Denali in Forgottonia to settle this debate once and for all.
Oh let's please not
Quote from: Sapphuby on March 18, 2025, 09:23:20 PMQuote from: Bruce on March 15, 2025, 05:27:57 PMIllinois should build a 1:1 scale replica of Denali in Forgottonia to settle this debate once and for all.
Oh let's please not
Are we all suddenly forgetting about Mount Illinois? I thought we were all subject matter experts on flat/not flat Illinois lore?
Quote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 12:32:34 PMFrom what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Going off of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation), Florida, Delaware and Indiana look flatter. :sombrero:
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 18, 2025, 11:06:38 PMQuote from: ZLoth on March 15, 2025, 12:32:34 PMFrom what I understand, Illinois is the second flattest state.
Going off of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_elevation), Florida, Delaware and Indiana look flatter. :sombrero:
They are lower, and have slightly smaller elevation ranges, but that doesn't mean that they are flatter, which is a descriptor of smoothness.
This is more of what I had in mind for hills in Illinois.
US 20 east of Galena: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3887854,-90.3769567,3a,75y,154.67h,80.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLHoCx-QXVvu-9nTBp2zxNQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D9.559321352389802%26panoid%3DLHoCx-QXVvu-9nTBp2zxNQ%26yaw%3D154.66890381853625!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Bluff Rd near me:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6800822,-88.0310647,3a,75y,249.41h,80.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUYmdJC09UHxMZO41Dr0rZg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D9.300139424113468%26panoid%3DUYmdJC09UHxMZO41Dr0rZg%26yaw%3D249.40828281857029!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Now that being said, overall, Illinois is a pretty flat state.
Grab a random Illinoisian and ask them what the gears past D are for.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 20, 2025, 03:30:52 PMGrab a random Illinoisian and ask them what the gears past D are for.
Snow and ice.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 20, 2025, 03:30:52 PMGrab a random Illinoisian and ask them what the gears past D are for.
I grew up and learned to drive in Illinois, and I'm pretty sure driver's ed was the first time I saw the low gears in use. We had to go to a specific road that had enough of an elevation change to use the low gears, and even then I'm pretty sure you could get by fine without them. This is the road (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Tx6YTm3nUh9CTZuz7) if anyone wants to add it to their collection of Illinois hills.
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on March 21, 2025, 12:10:17 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on March 20, 2025, 03:30:52 PMGrab a random Illinoisian and ask them what the gears past D are for.
I grew up and learned to drive in Illinois, and I'm pretty sure driver's ed was the first time I saw the low gears in use. We had to go to a specific road that had enough of an elevation change to use the low gears, and even then I'm pretty sure you could get by fine without them. This is the road (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Tx6YTm3nUh9CTZuz7) if anyone wants to add it to their collection of Illinois hills.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VMRHUe1uCVBsdsRW9
Still flat when view from here.
I don't know if I have ever driven a car in any gear but "Drive." Manual transmission excepted of course.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 21, 2025, 04:02:46 PMI don't know if I have ever driven a car in any gear but "Drive." Manual transmission excepted of course.
How do you ever back out of a parking space?
(Seriously, though, the next gear below Drive (or the overdrive on/off button) is plenty useful for towing a trailer on even the flattest of terrain.)
Quote from: kphoger on March 21, 2025, 04:07:30 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on March 21, 2025, 04:02:46 PMI don't know if I have ever driven a car in any gear but "Drive." Manual transmission excepted of course.
How do you ever back out of a parking space?
(Seriously, though, the next gear below Drive (or the overdrive on/off button) is plenty useful for towing a trailer on even the flattest of terrain.)
Ha. Good point.
I have never towed a trailer.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 20, 2025, 03:30:52 PMGrab a random Illinoisian and ask them what the gears past D are for.
To be fair, there's many people in many states who have never had to use a gear other than D (to drive forward). Unless they're driving thru mountains or unusually hilly areas, there's usually no reason to shift to a lower gear. And unless they're on a serious lengthy grade change, hitting the gas or brake as needed takes care of their needs without burning out the transmission or brakes.
I don't know that I've ever driven an automatic in "normal" first or second gear. I've certainly used 4-Lo though in my Xterra/Jeep.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 21, 2025, 04:52:50 PMTo be fair, there's many people in many states who have never had to use a gear other than D (to drive forward). Unless they're driving thru mountains or unusually hilly areas, there's usually no reason to shift to a lower gear.
The scientific term for areas that do not have any mountains or unusually hilly areas is "flat".
In fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Also found this to be stupefyingly true. My father taught me to shift down. It's not even that mysterious of a procedure.
Quote from: Rothman on March 22, 2025, 02:37:10 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Also found this to be stupefyingly true. My father taught me to shift down. It's not even that mysterious of a procedure.
Mine did too when he was teaching me how to drive the S10. Although I don't recall shifting to lower gears to be part of drivers education in the late 1990s in Michigan.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
I don't remember the last time I wasn't on a 4WD road going downhill at such a grade where I needed to go 40 mph or less, to be fair.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 22, 2025, 04:39:34 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
I don't remember the last time I wasn't on a 4WD road going downhill at such a grade where I needed to go 40 mph or less, to be fair.
I've found the Rockies to not really be all that steep for sustained periods of time. The downhill slopes are fairly gentle or are often at least engineered that way on modern highways. Off the top of my head the one normal highway I used lower gears on with regularity was westbound US 160 coming down Wolf Creek Pass.
Quote from: Rothman on March 22, 2025, 02:37:10 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Also found this to be stupefyingly true. My father taught me to shift down. It's not even that mysterious of a procedure.
Right. But I just don't think it's all that necessary. As I said, I have driven all over the country and never driven in anything but "D."
Amusingly the only time I've ever lost my brakes was on an Interstate. In 2017 I was on eastbound I-80 in my 2014 Sonic descending from Donner Summit in third gear. I touched the brake while coming up to a truck and it became unresponsive. I had to slow down by gradually shifting to 1st. I actually didn't come to a full stop until I was on southbound CA 89 for about a mile.
That car was complete dog shit and was out of its element once I left Florida. Despite copious use of lower gears I warped my front rotors twice. It was the last car I owned with rear drums.
The strange thing was that I took that Sonic on a bunch of paved roads that have lower gear signage (like Mineral King Road and Kaiser Pass Road) with no apparent issues. The two times the rotors warped was when I was descending on CA 180 west of CA 63 and on CA 190 descending Towne Pass. I was using 2nd and 3rd gear on Towne Pass, but at least that is somewhat infamous steep grade. CA 180 was/is a far gentler gradient and can hold faster speeds. That car also used to flag check engine lights and knock at high elevation.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 22, 2025, 05:09:57 PMQuote from: Rothman on March 22, 2025, 02:37:10 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Also found this to be stupefyingly true. My father taught me to shift down. It's not even that mysterious of a procedure.
Right. But I just don't think it's all that necessary. As I said, I have driven all over the country and never driven in anything but "D."
It's never absolutely necessary, but is a good way of delaying your next brake job.
I mean, people are indeed free to ride their brakes...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Straight into the shop to replace them...
Quote from: SSOWorld on March 23, 2025, 06:43:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Straight into the shop to replace them...
I dunno, I'm kind of amazed sometimes at the high number of jalopies that are allowed to roam on California roadways. As long as a vehicle passes emissions no authority seems to give fuck all about the condition it may be in.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 23, 2025, 07:08:59 PMQuote from: SSOWorld on March 23, 2025, 06:43:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Straight into the shop to replace them...
I dunno, I'm kind of amazed sometimes at the high number of jalopies that are allowed to roam on California roadways. As long as a vehicle passes emissions no authority seems to give fuck all about the condition it may be in.
put them on a NASCAR track
Quote from: SSOWorld on March 23, 2025, 07:37:02 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 23, 2025, 07:08:59 PMQuote from: SSOWorld on March 23, 2025, 06:43:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on March 22, 2025, 11:29:49 AMIn fairness to the drivers of Illinois I haven't encountered many normals on the west coast that know how to engage lower gears on automatic transmissions either. Normals prefer to ride their brakes down steep grades.
Straight into the shop to replace them...
I dunno, I'm kind of amazed sometimes at the high number of jalopies that are allowed to roam on California roadways. As long as a vehicle passes emissions no authority seems to give fuck all about the condition it may be in.
put them on a NASCAR track
Interestingly the emissions put out by NASCAR racecars comes up now and then as a point of contention. It wasn't until fairly recently that the organizing body went away from leaded fuel and carburation.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 21, 2025, 05:07:18 PMI don't know that I've ever driven an automatic in "normal" first or second gear. I've certainly used 4-Lo though in my Xterra/Jeep.
I have. I learned my lesson on a long, steep downhill dirt road into a canyon in far western Colorado. I was barely able to come to a stop because the brakes were burning up so badly. I let them cool awhile, then made sure to use 2nd and 3rd gears from there on down the descent. I'm not sure I've ever used 1st gear in that scenario, though.
Have we ever had a thread about signage tells drivers to use specific gears? Mineral King Road has signage for 1st and 2nd gears.
I see "Use Lower Gear" often enough. It's rare that it's not accompanied by "Trucks"
The lower gears signs are fairly common. Specific gears not so much I've found.