Poll
Question:
Do you drive?
Option 1: I drive often
votes: 52
Option 2: I drive sometimes
votes: 3
Option 3: I don't drive yet but I plan to
votes: 3
Option 4: I don't drive and I have no plans to
votes: 2
Option 5: I've driven before and then I stopped
votes: 3
Option 6: Other/Results
votes: 2
I just want to know if everyone on this forum drives or not, because I'm curious to know if every roadgeek drives.
I'm one of the few that doesn't here.
I checked "other" because the amount I drive has varied over the years. I telecommute, so these days I don't drive much, if at all, during the week, but I do drive on the weekends and when we travel. In the past I drove for my commute, including one job in North Carolina for which I commuted 40 miles each way, so I drove a lot more.
I drive every time I leave the house (don't use the bus or Uber on a regular basis, and my city doesn't have a train other than the monorail), so I put "often".
I have a new job as a traveling retail merchandiser all around Baltimore and DC, so that's a big fat (and sometimes frustrating) yes.
Even though I no longer commute for work, I still drive every weekday for sure at least to day care and back.
I think the last day I didn't drive was two weeks ago today.
Depends on what you mean by "drive?" Commuting is different than say finding a bunch of back roads in the mountains on a day off. I consider the latter to be actual driving and be something I partake in at least thirty or so times a year.
My amount of driving on a daily basis will plummet because I retired this week, eliminating 500 miles a week that I had to do.
I will still do plenty of other driving....
Walk to work, but drive to get groceries and to church, along with little day drives on weekends that my wife and I take. Have to drive a work vehicle every so often to places around the state and drive extensively on vacations.
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 20, 2025, 10:08:43 AMMy amount of driving on a daily basis will plummet because I retired this week, eliminating 500 miles a week that I had to do.
I will still do plenty of other driving....
Congratulations on retirement!
I drive just about every day.
Maybe one day every other month, I'll either have no errands to run or and just stay home during a weekend.
I had a stroke in 2008, so bye-bye driving. In 2019 I started having seizures, so that made it permanent as Illinois won't issue a license to a person subject to seizures lest they become a "silver alert" in motion
("Why am I in North Dakota?") :confused:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2025, 09:59:48 AMDepends on what you mean by "drive?" Commuting is different than say finding a bunch of back roads in the mountains on a day off. I consider the latter to be actual driving and be something I partake in at least thirty or so times a year.
I think commuting by car is obviously driving.
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 20, 2025, 10:08:43 AMMy amount of driving on a daily basis will plummet because I retired this week, eliminating 500 miles a week that I had to do.
I will still do plenty of other driving....
Congrats, but you might be surprised at how much you do. Not 50 miles each way anymore, sure. But I've heard a lot of retirees, myself included, say that they wonder how they ever had time to go to work. And a lot of that non-work activity includes driving to the activity.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 20, 2025, 01:50:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2025, 09:59:48 AMDepends on what you mean by "drive?" Commuting is different than say finding a bunch of back roads in the mountains on a day off. I consider the latter to be actual driving and be something I partake in at least thirty or so times a year.
I think commuting by car is obviously driving.
From a literal sense commuting is. I was hoping the OP would elaborate and ask something more grandiose. Seemed like a long shot given dude only has three posts.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2025, 02:19:22 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on April 20, 2025, 01:50:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2025, 09:59:48 AMDepends on what you mean by "drive?" Commuting is different than say finding a bunch of back roads in the mountains on a day off. I consider the latter to be actual driving and be something I partake in at least thirty or so times a year.
I think commuting by car is obviously driving.
From a literal sense commuting is. I was hoping the OP would elaborate and ask something more grandiose. Seemed like a long shot given dude only has three posts.
Yeah, I don't think he meant more than literally driving.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on April 20, 2025, 03:53:57 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2025, 02:19:22 PMQuote from: SEWIGuy on April 20, 2025, 01:50:31 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on April 20, 2025, 09:59:48 AMDepends on what you mean by "drive?" Commuting is different than say finding a bunch of back roads in the mountains on a day off. I consider the latter to be actual driving and be something I partake in at least thirty or so times a year.
I think commuting by car is obviously driving.
From a literal sense commuting is. I was hoping the OP would elaborate and ask something more grandiose. Seemed like a long shot given dude only has three posts.
Yeah, I don't think he meant more than literally driving.
To be fair, I'm usually pretty surprised at how many people in the road fan don't actually drive. I didn't even think that would be a thing before finding this forum.
I drive to catch a bus or train for most city-bound trips.
I don't play golf. :bigass:
I drive about 50,000 miles a year.
I drive every day, but I'll be doing it quite a bit less after August when I go off to college.
Considering |Max Rockatansky|'s interpretation of driving, I try to take an exploration trip once a month. This isn't often, but it's more often than I had previously taken them. In school without a car, I suppose I'll take my trips via public transportation.
I plan on getting my license soon. Gonna need it for school.
I live in a small, fairly remote town, so I drive probably 6 days a week, but my total driving adds up to maybe 8,000 miles a year. I used to drive 30k+ but as much as I like roads and driving, I'm glad I don't drive that much any more.
FWIW, ever since the COVID thing hit, I've found myself not commuting as much as I used to thanks to working from home, but I still do lots of driving on weekends. And it's going to take ten more years until I have all the free time in the world to explore more of the country, as that's when my scheduled retirement will be taking place.
Because of very severe health problems, I'm no longer able to drive. I just can't do it anymore.
I'm way past the middle of life, so I think I can forget about driving for good.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 20, 2025, 04:32:23 PMI drive about 50,000 miles a year.
I don't know if I do that, but numbers have to be in the 5-digit category.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 29, 2025, 02:30:28 PM... numbers have to be in the 5-digit category.
That's true for most Americans. The average is somewhere between 13,000 and 15,000 miles per year, depending on what study you're looking at. Five digits either way.
Last year, I think I was only around 7,000. I work from home, so no commute, and I didn't have any long road trips that we took in my car (took the wife's).
I'm trying to think of the last year I didn't drive more than 30,000 miles. I'd speculate probably 2005 when I didn't really have much spending cash for road trips.
Supposedly I commute about 18,000 miles to work annually after deducting the six weeks I'm off for vacation or Federal holidays. The least I ever commuted for work was about 3,000 miles in Orlando circa 2015. I claimed about 65,000 work miles for reimbursement at work in 2011.
Quote from: kphoger on April 29, 2025, 02:39:51 PMQuote from: D-Dey65 on April 29, 2025, 02:30:28 PM... numbers have to be in the 5-digit category.
That's true for most Americans. The average is somewhere between 13,000 and 15,000 miles per year, depending on what study you're looking at. Five digits either way.
Well, despite not having the chance to get up to the New York Tri-State area since 2021, I still have my various excursions to other parts of Florida, as well as those across the border. So, I suppose if I'm not average, I must be slightly above average.
My old Camry currently has 290,6**K on the odometer. From what I've read, that's low for a Camry of this era, but a lot of people are still impressed by those numbers... or disturbed by them.
Seems I drive 22,000 miles a year. Drive less than I used to since I fly more nowadays, I think, along with walking to work over the past few years.
UPDATE 4/29/25: Title has changed to make it easier to know who don't drive.
Since we don't have a Subway system or Rapid Rail transit here in South Texas, I have no other alternative than to resort to driving around here.
Quote from: jgb191 on April 30, 2025, 01:45:26 AMSince we don't have a Subway system or Rapid Rail transit here in South Texas, I have no other alternative than to resort to driving around here.
Buses and biking are alternatives. It's not as reliable as a rail system, but it can get the job done provided there's a competent government that will fund frequent service.
Quote from: Bruce on April 30, 2025, 03:46:19 AMQuote from: jgb191 on April 30, 2025, 01:45:26 AMSince we don't have a Subway system or Rapid Rail transit here in South Texas, I have no other alternative than to resort to driving around here.
Buses and biking are alternatives. It's not as reliable as a rail system, but it can get the job done provided there's a competent government that will fund frequent service.
In South Texas?
Quote from: Evillangbuildsmc on April 30, 2025, 01:28:28 AMUPDATE 4/29/25: Title has changed to make it easier to know who don't drive.
Ummm...do you have anything to add to the discussion you've started?
Quote from: formulanone on April 30, 2025, 07:06:27 AMQuote from: Evillangbuildsmc on April 30, 2025, 01:28:28 AMUPDATE 4/29/25: Title has changed to make it easier to know who don't drive.
Ummm...do you have anything to add to the discussion you've started?
Off forum someone asked a similar question on a Facebook road group and got accused of phishing. It probably didn't help the poster didn't have a profile picture. I kind of wonder if this is the same person.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2025, 08:10:06 AMQuote from: formulanone on April 30, 2025, 07:06:27 AMQuote from: Evillangbuildsmc on April 30, 2025, 01:28:28 AMUPDATE 4/29/25: Title has changed to make it easier to know who don't drive.
Ummm...do you have anything to add to the discussion you've started?
Off forum someone asked a similar question on a Facebook road group and got accused of phishing. It probably didn't help the poster didn't have a profile picture. I kind of wonder if this is the same person.
Phishing for driving habits with little other personal information to go on would seem to be inefficient.
Quote from: Rothman on April 30, 2025, 08:31:02 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2025, 08:10:06 AMQuote from: formulanone on April 30, 2025, 07:06:27 AMQuote from: Evillangbuildsmc on April 30, 2025, 01:28:28 AMUPDATE 4/29/25: Title has changed to make it easier to know who don't drive.
Ummm...do you have anything to add to the discussion you've started?
Off forum someone asked a similar question on a Facebook road group and got accused of phishing. It probably didn't help the poster didn't have a profile picture. I kind of wonder if this is the same person.
Phishing for driving habits with little other personal information to go on would seem to be inefficient.
Not sure that it qualify as phishing, but that's typically the kind of thing seen on social media to limit barriers towards openly posting spam.
This just more curious than harmful; seems the low post count is due to lurking rather than trolling.
My wife was doing a lot of the driving when we traveled together, except at night because of her vision. (That means I wound up doing 2/3 of the driving on a lot of road trips.) Now because of her coughing risk, I generally drive when we're together. And the last few times we've rented a car she's had me do all the driving in it.
The thing is now, once the disease that's behind all the coughing attacks is confirmed, whether she'll be able to drive at all will be between her doctor and the DMV. (Among other things, this means getting a second car for me is now out of the picture.)
Quote from: jgb191 on April 30, 2025, 01:45:26 AMSince we don't have a Subway system or Rapid Rail transit here in South Texas, I have no other alternative than to resort to driving around here.
Quote from: Bruce on April 30, 2025, 03:46:19 AMBuses and biking are alternatives. It's not as reliable as a rail system, but it can get the job done provided there's a competent government that will fund frequent service.
Seriously. Since when are trains and cars the only two forms of transportation available to people? Having lived several years without a car, I can't imagine having restricted myself to trains only. Good grief!
Quote from: Rothman on April 30, 2025, 08:31:02 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on April 30, 2025, 08:10:06 AMQuote from: formulanone on April 30, 2025, 07:06:27 AMQuote from: Evillangbuildsmc on April 30, 2025, 01:28:28 AMUPDATE 4/29/25: Title has changed to make it easier to know who don't drive.
Ummm...do you have anything to add to the discussion you've started?
Off forum someone asked a similar question on a Facebook road group and got accused of phishing. It probably didn't help the poster didn't have a profile picture. I kind of wonder if this is the same person.
Phishing for driving habits with little other personal information to go on would seem to be inefficient.
I don't disagree. I'm just getting some amusement at the reactions to the same question in different venues. I "may have" been guilty of trying to intentionally set off the hornets nest off forum to see what would happen.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on April 29, 2025, 02:30:28 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on April 20, 2025, 04:32:23 PMI drive about 50,000 miles a year.
I don't know if I do that, but numbers have to be in the 5-digit category.
I leave my town just about every day, some days I don't but most of the time I end up places instead of actually planning on being somewhere so it's rather easy to do. I would think the average person probably drives about 20,000 miles a year maybe I know I'm well above that.
Quote from: kphoger on April 29, 2025, 02:39:51 PMThe average is somewhere between 13,000 and 15,000 miles per year, depending on what study you're looking at.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2025, 11:01:45 AMI would think the average person probably drives about 20,000 miles a year
nope
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 11:04:19 AMQuote from: kphoger on April 29, 2025, 02:39:51 PMThe average is somewhere between 13,000 and 15,000 miles per year, depending on what study you're looking at.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2025, 11:01:45 AMI would think the average person probably drives about 20,000 miles a year
nope
I would believe it depends on the state you are driving in.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2025, 11:08:27 AMit depends on the state you are driving in
Then why not open it up to the whole world. How much does the average Nigerian drive? Costa Rican? Romanian? North Korean?
Quote from: GaryV on April 30, 2025, 11:10:24 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2025, 11:08:27 AMit depends on the state you are driving in
Then why not open it up to the whole world. How much does the average Nigerian drive? Costa Rican? Romanian? North Korean?
If you opened it up to the world, I bet the average drops below 1,000.
Quote from: kphoger on April 29, 2025, 02:39:51 PMThe average is somewhere between 13,000 and 15,000 miles per year, depending on what study you're looking at.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2025, 11:01:45 AMI would think the average person probably drives about 20,000 miles a year
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 11:04:19 AMnope
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2025, 11:08:27 AMI would believe it depends on the state you are driving in.
Of course it does. Here is a link to the FHWA tables for 2019:
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/statistics/2019/
I went ahead and did the calculations for you.
| State | |Licensed Drivers | |Annual Vehicle-Miles (Millions) | |Miles per Driver |
| Wyoming | 424115 | 10208 | 24069 |
| Mississippi | 2058036 | 41091 | 19966 |
| New Mexico | 1449711 | 27772 | 19157 |
| Missouri | 4274389 | 79168 | 18521 |
| Georgia | 7261266 | 133128 | 18334 |
| Indiana | 4589405 | 82719 | 18024 |
| Minnesota | 3391057 | 60731 | 17909 |
| Alabama | 4026151 | 71735 | 17817 |
| Oklahoma | 2522670 | 44648 | 17699 |
| North Dakota | 556064 | 9826 | 17671 |
| Arkansas | 2153929 | 37099 | 17224 |
| West Virginia | 1130389 | 19077 | 16876 |
| Kentucky | 3030329 | 49410 | 16305 |
| Texas | 17822760 | 288227 | 16172 |
| North Carolina | 7620001 | 122475 | 16073 |
| Montana | 811851 | 12892 | 15880 |
| South Dakota | 638428 | 9922 | 15541 |
| Utah | 2121099 | 32911 | 15516 |
| Wisconsin | 4296646 | 66348 | 15442 |
| Tennessee | 5422429 | 82892 | 15287 |
| Louisiana | 3435168 | 51360 | 14951 |
| South Carolina | 3877968 | 57939 | 14941 |
| Nebraska | 1430818 | 21242 | 14846 |
| Kansas | 2154260 | 31843 | 14781 |
| Iowa | 2274431 | 33537 | 14745 |
| Florida | 15560628 | 226514 | 14557 |
| Virginia | 5888196 | 85432 | 14509 |
| Idaho | 1252535 | 18058 | 14417 |
| Michigan | 7141494 | 102174 | 14307 |
| Ohio | 8032792 | 114694 | 14278 |
| Maine | 1046129 | 14871 | 14215 |
| Nevada | 2054421 | 28794 | 14016 |
| Maryland | 4463862 | 60216 | 13490 |
| Massachusetts | 4950056 | 64890 | 13109 |
| Arizona | 5369210 | 70281 | 13090 |
| Vermont | 564894 | 7346 | 13004 |
| Colorado | 4235384 | 54634 | 12899 |
| Delaware | 812529 | 10245 | 12609 |
| Illinois | 8546932 | 107525 | 12581 |
| California | 27213650 | 340836 | 12524 |
| New Jersey | 6377413 | 78205 | 12263 |
| Oregon | 2930701 | 35808 | 12218 |
| Connecticut | 2608061 | 31601 | 12117 |
| Hawaii | 943173 | 11024 | 11688 |
| New Hampshire | 1195211 | 13828 | 11570 |
| Pennsylvania | 8987676 | 102864 | 11445 |
| Alaska | 529281 | 5881 | 11111 |
| Washington | 5711136 | 62530 | 10949 |
| New York | 12194360 | 123986 | 10167 |
| Rhode Island | 761046 | 7581 | 9961 |
| Dist. of Col. | 535579 | 3756 | 7013 |
| Total | 228679719 | 3261772 | 14263 |
Interesting that the state (California) is pushing Caltrans for VMT reductions with that low of an average driver mileage. Yeah sure, the overall mileage in California is the highest in the country because of population and sheer number of drivers. All the same overall mileage in California isn't that much higher than Texas. Texas has a way larger state highway inventory than California does.
Personally I always thought the system here in California was pretty lean for a state with such a large population. Just seems odd to me coming from the Midwest originally.
By the way, until today I didn't know how to make a table in BBCode. If ever there was a time to learn the syntax, that post was it!
Does the table assume only one vehicle per driver?
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 01:03:01 PMBy the way, until today I didn't know how to make a table in BBCode. If ever there was a time to learn the syntax, that post was it!
I normally just use Excel and do a big concatenate with ,"[/td][td]", kind of stuff.
Wyoming being highest doesn't quite shock me – towns are far apart out there – but at an average that's over 20% higher than the next-highest state...wow.
Mississippi being up there is also surprising; there must be a lot more folks commuting longer distances. And I suppose other than Jackson, many cites of comparable size are all out of state (Memphis, New Orleans, Mobile).
Quote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 01:45:30 PMDoes the table assume only one vehicle per driver?
Please explain to me how it would make a difference.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 01:46:42 PMI normally just use Excel and do a big concatenate with ,"[/td][td]", kind of stuff.
That's what I ended up doing, but I had to learn what [] tags to use for what purpose before I could do that.
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 01:50:30 PMQuote from: Molandfreak on April 30, 2025, 01:45:30 PMDoes the table assume only one vehicle per driver?
Please explain to me how it would make a difference.
Nevermind, I misread the data.
Quote from: formulanone on April 30, 2025, 01:47:53 PMMississippi being up there is also surprising; there must be a lot more folks commuting longer distances. And I suppose other than Jackson, many cites of comparable size are all out of state (Memphis, New Orleans, Mobile).
Meanwhile, I just assumed a correlation between being the lowest-income state and having to travel farther to find work. But it's also a good point that there isn't exactly an abundance of economic hubs in-state, and it's fair to assume longer commuting distances in suburban/semi-urban areas such as the Memphis outskirts and along the Gulf Coast.
Seeing Colorado that low on the list is surprising to me. Lots of people on the front range drive into the mountains at least somewhat frequently. I guess maybe it's because the largest cities of the state aren't that far away from each other.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:26:32 PMSeeing Colorado that low on the list is surprising to me. Lots of people on the front range drive into the mountains at least somewhat frequently. I guess maybe it's because the largest cities of the state aren't that far away from each other.
It's also easy to lose perspective. Colorado's state average is within 10% of the overall national average.
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 03:28:55 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:26:32 PMSeeing Colorado that low on the list is surprising to me. Lots of people on the front range drive into the mountains at least somewhat frequently. I guess maybe it's because the largest cities of the state aren't that far away from each other.
It's also easy to lose perspective. Colorado's state average is within 10% of the overall national average.
Sure. The wide open spaces just tend to lend itself to being higher than others as evident by a lot of the top of the list.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:32:04 PMSure. The wide open spaces just tend to lend itself to being higher than others as evident by a lot of the top of the list.
It might also be that there are plenty of places that are fairly close to the urban areas.
Aurora to Black Hawk and back ten times a year would only add 1000 miles.
Highlands Ranch to Frisco and back ten times a year is less than 2000 miles.
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 03:40:15 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:32:04 PMSure. The wide open spaces just tend to lend itself to being higher than others as evident by a lot of the top of the list.
It might also be that there are plenty of places that are fairly close to the urban areas.
Aurora to Black Hawk and back ten times a year would only add 1000 miles.
Highlands Ranch to Frisco and back ten times a year is less than 2000 miles.
Yeah, but add that to normal commutes, and you have a decent amount of "bonus" miles. Like I said, just a little surprising we're 37th when our neighbors are 1st, 3rd, 9th, 18th, 23rd, and 24th.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:43:50 PMLike I said, just a little surprising we're 37th when our neighbors are 1st, 3rd, 9th, 18th, 23rd, and 24th.
And Massachusetts beats you too.
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 03:48:50 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:43:50 PMLike I said, just a little surprising we're 37th when our neighbors are 1st, 3rd, 9th, 18th, 23rd, and 24th.
And Massachusetts beats you too.
I'm allowed to be surprised. Just let me have this. :)
It also makes me question FHWA's vehicle-miles data.
Quote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 03:52:25 PMIt also makes me question FHWA's vehicle-miles data.
MA is one that jumps out that is surprising. Just thinking about the public transportation differences alone makes me wonder how that's possible.
Drove a lot when I lived in MA. Doesn't seem that surprising to me.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 03:55:58 PMQuoteIt also makes me question FHWA's vehicle-miles data.
MA is one that jumps out that is surprising. Just thinking about the public transportation differences alone makes me wonder how that's possible.
I think you're probably overestimating the density of MA's population outside of Boston proper and inner suburbs. Most of the state, especially the eastern third, is too dense to be considered 'rural' by Western US standards, but also way more sprawling than new-build suburbia like you have in the Denver area, so most people outside MA 128 are probably driving quite a bit to get to work.
And thanks to being developed several centuries ago, development is just a lot less organized in general. Living right near a shopping mall or grocery store or office building, much less finding all three of those things in close proximity to each other, is a lot less common than you might think.
There's also this land called western Massachusetts...
Quote from: Rothman on April 30, 2025, 10:18:23 PMThere's also this land called western Massachusetts...
Yeah. But you're still not driving 80-100 miles to get to a decently sized town there like you are in large stretches of CO.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 10:39:43 PMQuote from: Rothman on April 30, 2025, 10:18:23 PMThere's also this land called western Massachusetts...
Yeah. But you're still not driving 80-100 miles to get to a decently sized town there like you are in large stretches of CO.
I would therefore think CO is surprising, rather than MA. The annual VMD is rather dinky.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 10:39:43 PMQuoteThere's also this land called western Massachusetts...
Yeah. But you're still not driving 80-100 miles to get to a decently sized town there like you are in large stretches of CO.
Except that the majority of Colorado residents live in the Denver area, so they aren't actually driving between those towns, and the areas in between are too sparsely populated to meaningfully bolster the average miles driven.
Quote from: webny99 on April 30, 2025, 10:59:20 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 10:39:43 PMQuoteThere's also this land called western Massachusetts...
Yeah. But you're still not driving 80-100 miles to get to a decently sized town there like you are in large stretches of CO.
Except that the majority of Colorado residents live in the Denver area, so they aren't actually driving between those towns, and the areas in between are too sparsely populated to meaningfully bolster the average miles driven.
A considerably smaller proportion of Colorado's population (51%) lives in the Denver metro as compared to Massachusetts' population (64%) that lives in the Boston metro.
Quote from: Rothman on April 30, 2025, 08:31:02 AMPhishing for driving habits with little other personal information to go on would seem to be inefficient.
Inephishent.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 01:46:42 PMQuote from: kphoger on April 30, 2025, 01:03:01 PMBy the way, until today I didn't know how to make a table in BBCode. If ever there was a time to learn the syntax, that post was it!
I normally just use Excel and do a big concatenate with ,"[/td][/tr][/table]", kind of stuff.
If it's a big enough table, I'll make a CSV, then...
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Text::CSV;
use strict;
# CSV parse object
my $csv = Text::CSV->new ({
binary => 1,
auto_diag => 1,
sep_char => ',' # not really needed as this is the default
});
my $file = $ARGV[0] or die "No CSV file specified\n"; # Path to CSV file
open(my $data, "<", $file) or die "Could not open '$file' $!\n"; # Open file
print "[table]\n";
# Read file in line by line.
while (my $line = <$data>)
{
print "[tr]";
chomp $line;
if ($csv->parse($line))
{
my @fields = $csv->fields();
foreach(@fields)
{
print "[td]";
print $_;
print "[/td]";
}
}
print "[/tr]\n";
}
print "[/table]\n";
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 30, 2025, 10:39:43 PMQuote from: Rothman on April 30, 2025, 10:18:23 PMThere's also this land called western Massachusetts...
Yeah. But you're still not driving 80-100 miles to get to a decently sized town there like you are in large stretches of CO.
One thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Quote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
Quote from: elsmere241 on May 01, 2025, 07:26:43 AMQuote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
While this is true of the Northeast in general, New England is on a whole other level. I can think of several places in Maryland that are off-interstate but still have high-speed divided highways. Even upstate NY has higher speed limits on two-lane roads than most of New England.
Quote from: vdeane on May 01, 2025, 12:40:00 PMQuote from: elsmere241 on May 01, 2025, 07:26:43 AMQuote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
While this is true of the Northeast in general, New England is on a whole other level. I can think of several places in Maryland that are off-interstate but still have high-speed divided highways. Even upstate NY has higher speed limits on two-lane roads than most of New England.
But for the purposes of this discussion though, speed limits don't matter. Point to point distances and how often you'd need to travel those point to point distances is what's relevant.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 01, 2025, 12:44:14 PMQuote from: vdeane on May 01, 2025, 12:40:00 PMQuote from: elsmere241 on May 01, 2025, 07:26:43 AMQuote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
While this is true of the Northeast in general, New England is on a whole other level. I can think of several places in Maryland that are off-interstate but still have high-speed divided highways. Even upstate NY has higher speed limits on two-lane roads than most of New England.
But for the purposes of this discussion though, speed limits don't matter. Point to point distances and how often you'd need to travel those point to point distances is what's relevant.
If driving anywhere is a long (time-wise) slog, you're not going to do it as often. Simple.
Quote from: vdeane on May 01, 2025, 12:50:34 PMQuote from: JayhawkCO on May 01, 2025, 12:44:14 PMQuote from: vdeane on May 01, 2025, 12:40:00 PMQuote from: elsmere241 on May 01, 2025, 07:26:43 AMQuote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
While this is true of the Northeast in general, New England is on a whole other level. I can think of several places in Maryland that are off-interstate but still have high-speed divided highways. Even upstate NY has higher speed limits on two-lane roads than most of New England.
But for the purposes of this discussion though, speed limits don't matter. Point to point distances and how often you'd need to travel those point to point distances is what's relevant.
If driving anywhere is a long (time-wise) slog, you're not going to do it as often. Simple.
Sure, but if it's necessary, you're still going to do it (going to work, going to school, grocery store, etc.).
Quote from: JayhawkCO on May 01, 2025, 12:44:14 PMQuote from: vdeane on May 01, 2025, 12:40:00 PMQuote from: elsmere241 on May 01, 2025, 07:26:43 AMQuote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
While this is true of the Northeast in general, New England is on a whole other level. I can think of several places in Maryland that are off-interstate but still have high-speed divided highways. Even upstate NY has higher speed limits on two-lane roads than most of New England.
But for the purposes of this discussion though, speed limits don't matter. Point to point distances and how often you'd need to travel those point to point distances is what's relevant.
I went off a little on a tangent, but my point was that to put in a lot of yearly miles in some regions also takes a lot of time.
Quote from: elsmere241 on May 01, 2025, 07:26:43 AMQuote from: formulanone on May 01, 2025, 07:12:43 AMOne thing that trips me up about much of New England is that once you're away from interstates and freeways, it's agonizingly slow and disjointed to get from point A to point B.
Same goes with the more rural parts of New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland.
At least there's places to go. Put these 3 states, along with much of New England, in many states west of the Mississippi and they'll easily fit in areas without interstates at all...and in some areas, you would barely encounter more than a few paved roads.
At 50,000 or so miles a year that's 136 miles a day. I have days where I will drive about 600 miles a day. I've left Saginaw before and ended up in Knoxville, Tennessee before stopping for the day.
I drive. Not a whole lot of miles, some errands. Sometimes trips to hiking spots. Driving my college-age child home from college for a weekend. Around 9000 miles a year.