Almost lost the Brooklyn Bridge /s
https://fb.watch/zF346s_xCC/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e
Watched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2025, 11:33:30 PMWatched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
It was a joke. How the fuck did this even happen is the real question. It should have been obvious that there was no way that boat was gonna clear under the bridge. Drunk captain?
A better version of the sail hitting the bridge:
https://fb.watch/zF7sJNiLT2/?mibextid=wwXIfr
FWIW I wasn't aware until this evening that Mexico has a Navy.
And another I found this morning:
https://fb.watch/zFCCkbsagv/?mibextid=wwXIfr
The captain's day job is driving trucks under the 11-foot-8 bridge in Durham.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on May 18, 2025, 10:02:13 AMThe captain's day job is driving trucks under the 11-foot-8 bridge in Durham.
What was the tugboat doing? It doesn't look like it was pulling the boat. Was it trying to catch up and warn the captain?
At least the bridge was undamaged, and likely won't be closed. It's very unfortunate that two people died and nineteen were injured in the crash.
https://abc7ny.com/post/mexican-navy-ship-hits-brooklyn-bridge-emergency-response-training-boat-nyc/16453075/
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on May 17, 2025, 11:38:14 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2025, 11:33:30 PMWatched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
It was a joke. How the fuck did this even happen is the real question. It should have been obvious that there was no way that boat was gonna clear under the bridge. Drunk captain?
The article that I saw said the ship lost steering control. Not really sure how that happens on that kind of ship. Some of the other articles say it "lost power", but how the fuck does a sailboat lose power?
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 18, 2025, 08:11:57 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on May 17, 2025, 11:38:14 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2025, 11:33:30 PMWatched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
It was a joke. How the fuck did this even happen is the real question. It should have been obvious that there was no way that boat was gonna clear under the bridge. Drunk captain?
The article that I saw said the ship lost steering control. Not really sure how that happens on that kind of ship. Some of the other articles say it "lost power", but how the fuck does a sailboat lose power?
It will be interesting what the investigation will uncover
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 18, 2025, 08:11:57 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on May 17, 2025, 11:38:14 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2025, 11:33:30 PMWatched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
It was a joke. How the fuck did this even happen is the real question. It should have been obvious that there was no way that boat was gonna clear under the bridge. Drunk captain?
The article that I saw said the ship lost steering control. Not really sure how that happens on that kind of ship. Some of the other articles say it "lost power", but how the fuck does a sailboat lose power?
I've lived in a windy area for half of my life, and sometimes wind just... stops. Hope this helps!
No, but really, those sails might be decorative.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 08:15:38 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on May 18, 2025, 08:11:57 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on May 17, 2025, 11:38:14 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2025, 11:33:30 PMWatched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
It was a joke. How the fuck did this even happen is the real question. It should have been obvious that there was no way that boat was gonna clear under the bridge. Drunk captain?
The article that I saw said the ship lost steering control. Not really sure how that happens on that kind of ship. Some of the other articles say it "lost power", but how the fuck does a sailboat lose power?
I've lived in a windy area for half of my life, and sometimes wind just... stops. Hope this helps!
No, but really, those sails might be decorative.
Operation Sail was that way in the Bicentennial year. Sailboats that had combustible engines for power as the sails were to create a historical image.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 08:15:38 PMI've lived in a windy area for half of my life, and sometimes wind just... stops. Hope this helps!
I lived in Oklahoma and then I moved to Las Vegas, which is somehow just as windy. Those that don't know wind aren't in my shoes of my neighborhood.
But still, if the wind just stopped, I guess it was the river current that caused them to hit the bridge? You'd think they would have a plan for that, since "sometimes the wind stops" and "rivers usually have a current" aren't exactly unforeseeable.
Questions nobody seems to be asking:
- Why does Mexico have a Navy?
- Why are they rocking sailboats?
And yes, the sailboat we discussing has engines:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cuauht%C3%A9moc
Mexico has 2 coasts. It would be natural to have a Navy to defend them. Why they were so far off the Mexican coast beats me.
From what I'm reading the Mexican fleet is pretty small and more resembles the U.S. Coast Guard. They have five frigates and two missile boats:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy
Now, I wonder what people on Twitter think of this situation!
...maybe I should remain clueless.
Keep in mind Mexico prevented an American invasion during WWII... :D
Wasn't it World War I where Germany tried petition Mexico to join the Central Powers?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 18, 2025, 09:07:15 PMFrom what I'm reading the Mexican fleet is pretty small and more resembles the U.S. Coast Guard.
The actual fleet may be small, but the impact of the Mexican Navy in recent history has been larger than you might imagine. The special operation in December 2006 (Operativo Conjunto Michoacán) that is widely considered to be the starting point of Mexico's ongoing war on drugs was a joint operation between the PGR, SEGOB, Army, and Navy. Two years later, when the federal government took over the police duties in Ciudad Juárez during Operativo Conjunto Chihuahua, the Navy was a key player in that special operation as well. You may recall that two of the largest drug cartels in Mexico are named after coastal areas: Sinaloa and Gulf. Naval operations have been a key component of the war on drugs since its beginning.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 18, 2025, 08:58:58 PMWhy does Mexico have a Navy?
Why would they not? I would assume every country that borders the ocean has a navy.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 18, 2025, 08:43:58 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 08:15:38 PMI've lived in a windy area for half of my life, and sometimes wind just... stops. Hope this helps!
I lived in Oklahoma and then I moved to Las Vegas, which is somehow just as windy. Those that don't know wind aren't in my shoes of my neighborhood.
But still, if the wind just stopped, I guess it was the river current that caused them to hit the bridge? You'd think they would have a plan for that, since "sometimes the wind stops" and "rivers usually have a current" aren't exactly unforeseeable.
If a boat loses power, it quickly loses momentum because water drag is huge, and ends up carried by the current. And this isn't a heavy ship like a steel battleship; it's wood, so it doesn't have that much momentum. But unless my geography is all screwed up, this ship was sailing north from the harbor toward the bridge, into the current, which can be up to 4 knots. So it looks to me like it was still under power, which makes we wonder why it wasn't put into reverse if it lost steering.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 18, 2025, 11:49:32 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 18, 2025, 08:58:58 PMWhy does Mexico have a Navy?
Why would they not? I would assume every country that borders the ocean has a navy.
What about bermuda?
Just like at Pottery Barn, they hit the Brooklyn Bridge, now they have to buy it.
Quote from: pderocco on May 19, 2025, 01:39:36 AMBut unless my geography is all screwed up, this ship was sailing north from the harbor toward the bridge, into the current, which can be up to 4 knots.
As far as I understand, that area is tidal, river current is a small addition. And looks like the tide was rising at that time.
There's that old joke about Bolivia having a navy...
Quote from: roadman65 on May 18, 2025, 08:39:45 PMQuote from: LilianaUwU on May 18, 2025, 08:15:38 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on May 18, 2025, 08:11:57 PMQuote from: Plutonic Panda on May 17, 2025, 11:38:14 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2025, 11:33:30 PMWatched the video, how exactly did you come to that conclusion with such a small vessel?
It was a joke. How the fuck did this even happen is the real question. It should have been obvious that there was no way that boat was gonna clear under the bridge. Drunk captain?
The article that I saw said the ship lost steering control. Not really sure how that happens on that kind of ship. Some of the other articles say it "lost power", but how the fuck does a sailboat lose power?
I've lived in a windy area for half of my life, and sometimes wind just... stops. Hope this helps!
No, but really, those sails might be decorative.
Operation Sail was that way in the Bicentennial year. Sailboats that had combustible engines for power as the sails were to create a historical image.
Looking at the numbers... This sailboat has 1800 tons draft and 1200 HP auxiliary engine. Looking at some WWII destroyers of comparable size, 2000 tons ship would have 40-50 thousand HP.
I believe most sailboats today have some propulsion for things like harbor maneuvers. So engine failure could easily be a factor.
Quote from: Rothman on May 19, 2025, 06:49:23 AMThere's that old joke about Bolivia having a navy...
Switzerland does too.
Water exists in more than just ocean form, after all.
Quote from: Big John on May 18, 2025, 09:04:01 PMMexico has 2 coasts. It would be natural to have a Navy to defend them. Why they were so far off the Mexican coast beats me.
This was a ceremonial tall ship.
The Cuauhtémoc is a training sailing ship of the Mexican Navy and described by officials as a diplomatic symbol of Mexico abroad.
Known as the "Ambassador and Knight of the Seas," the ship was in New York as part of a global goodwill tour and was en route to Iceland at the time of the incident.
Hitting the Brooklyn Bridge on the way from Cozumel to Reykjavik does accord with my experience of how well Mexicans handle directions...