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Title: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: thenetwork on June 05, 2025, 10:09:36 AM
With the new recent talk about DOT's using just a state name for a control city, I don't believe there is an actual list showing how many states are regularly used in lieu of a control "city".

And so, for starters:

UTAH -- WB I-70 from Grand Junction, CO to UT/CO state line.

WISCONSIN -- Along the Tri-State Tollway in Chicago.

INDIANA
--  Again, along the Tri-State Tollway.

Others?





Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 05, 2025, 10:35:34 AM
There are still some instances of 'Kansas' as a control city on the Missouri side of KC.

Example:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eWeK5jnGm2zNeECQ9
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: I-55 on June 05, 2025, 10:36:29 AM
IOWA/INDIANA -- along I-80 in Chicagoland

OHIO -- Indiana Toll Road (INDOT signs sometimes say Toledo, but Toll Road signs Ohio)
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: 1995hoo on June 05, 2025, 10:45:21 AM
I remember "Florida" and "Mississippi" appearing as controls on signs in southern Alabama, but Google Street View shows those have been replaced by "Pensacola" and "Pascagoula," respectively.

I also recall when I was a kid, northbound I-81 in New York State used "Canada" as a control. I haven't been up that road northbound since the 1980s with the exception of the short segment from I-781 to the border in June 2019. I recall the sign on I-781 was for I-81 North towards Canada, but I don't know whether it's still used elsewhere. I figure a "control country" fits the spirit of this thread even though it's not technically a "state."
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 05, 2025, 11:14:35 AM
Minnesota uses "Wisconsin" as a control city:
-in the Duluth area
-for US 63 in Red Wing
-for TH 36 in Stillwater

Wisconsin uses "Minnesota" as a control city:
-for I-90 in La Crosse
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on June 05, 2025, 11:29:42 AM
Maine used to include "New Hampshire" and "Massachusetts" or "NH-MASS" at various points on I-95 from the Portland area south to Kittery.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Big John on June 05, 2025, 11:31:00 AM
^^ Michigan has a couple examples for Canada such as https://maps.app.goo.gl/rWEGXmjWr1Y4tprQ6
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 05, 2025, 11:31:20 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 05, 2025, 11:29:42 AMMaine used to include "New Hampshire" and "Massachusetts" or "NH-MASS" at various points on I-95 from the Portland area south to Kittery.

On the flip side, New Hampshire had/has "(To All) Maine Points" as well.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 05, 2025, 11:31:45 AM
Here is a "Minnesota" in La Crosse: https://maps.app.goo.gl/5PfgrCqBHYFs6caW8

Along I-55 at I-80, both control cities are states: https://maps.app.goo.gl/rDtAwpXeYs9bKn5p7
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 05, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 05, 2025, 10:35:34 AMThere are still some instances of 'Kansas' as a control city on the Missouri side of KC.

Example:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eWeK5jnGm2zNeECQ9

Here is another example, this one on an Interstate:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/2s7cPnL5SL4xqFFt7

And, coming from the other direction:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/JDLEMWqWM4xRoYhP9
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: hbelkins on June 05, 2025, 01:45:30 PM
"Kentucky" is used (along with Ohio) at I-275's lone exit in Indiana. Kentucky is also used infrequently in Ohio, particularly in the Cincinnati area and for the Carl D. Perkins bridge (Spur KY 8/Truck US 23) near Portsmouth.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 05, 2025, 02:01:58 PM
There's also one with two states off of TH 43 in Winona, MN.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Winona,+MN+55987/@44.0601374,-91.6379347,3a,45.2y,301.34h,88.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBcDe1o_dMmBe7ZETFTBp5g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D1.1336330736959752%26panoid%3DBcDe1o_dMmBe7ZETFTBp5g%26yaw%3D301.3353805624233!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x87f96d7393892eb5:0x6c735c233a2660f!8m2!3d44.0553908!4d-91.6663523!16zL20vMHdubno?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: hobsini2 on June 05, 2025, 03:07:09 PM
Illinois is used in St Louis on I-55/44.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6177945,-90.1910664,3a,33.3y,25.65h,95.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s80-x9Sw1JFVrxqY0dMPsKg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-5.4442429173635105%26panoid%3D80-x9Sw1JFVrxqY0dMPsKg%26yaw%3D25.64652314413463!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Illinois is used in Dubuque on US 20.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.492082,-90.6659544,3a,30.4y,122.37h,110.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scndsktVwjlXzYq2NhStitg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-20.096719180064497%26panoid%3DcndsktVwjlXzYq2NhStitg%26yaw%3D122.36838101484581!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: bassoon1986 on June 05, 2025, 04:21:53 PM
We've had this topic thread before but I still like it. Soneone shared last time about one near St George UT at an exit ramp for SR 7 for Arizona and Utah

https://maps.app.goo.gl/jMEnuK7SBusHHjbB7
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 05, 2025, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 05, 2025, 10:45:21 AMI remember "Florida" and "Mississippi" appearing as controls on signs in southern Alabama, but Google Street View shows those have been replaced by "Pensacola" and "Pascagoula," respectively.

The south end of I-65 still lists Mississippi and Florida as the controls on the gantries before the I-10 interchange:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6416161,-88.1190284,3a,74.6y,170.74h,102.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snY3Lz_TJEoUO_Yl21p4x2g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-12.894016263117976%26panoid%3DnY3Lz_TJEoUO_Yl21p4x2g%26yaw%3D170.7400350200905!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6481444,-88.1208101,3a,41.2y,159.96h,94.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sP83_6N1cgdXzn0apQrcFwQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-4.269806058477769%26panoid%3DP83_6N1cgdXzn0apQrcFwQ%26yaw%3D159.95914636029775!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: hobsini2 on June 05, 2025, 04:43:23 PM
Having not been down that part of I-65, I saw this on the backside of the sign you posted. I never knew they did signed that way in the past.

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6478279,-88.1206658,3a,31.3y,336.68h,109.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIA8GZzC-mwSNn2Sx6DtO4A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-19.010190033880676%26panoid%3DIA8GZzC-mwSNn2Sx6DtO4A%26yaw%3D336.67576458864664!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 05, 2025, 04:44:54 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 05, 2025, 04:43:23 PMHaving not been down that part of I-65, I saw this on the backside of the sign you posted. I never knew they did signed that way in the past.

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6478279,-88.1206658,3a,31.3y,336.68h,109.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIA8GZzC-mwSNn2Sx6DtO4A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-19.010190033880676%26panoid%3DIA8GZzC-mwSNn2Sx6DtO4A%26yaw%3D336.67576458864664!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

There's a few slatted signs around still if you know where to look, there's four gantries with them here in Huntsville and I think only one left in Birmingham, Montgomery has lost all of its examples. Mobile and the surrounding area seems to have the most surviving slatted signs still.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 05, 2025, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 05, 2025, 01:45:30 PM"Kentucky" is used (along with Ohio) at I-275's lone exit in Indiana. Kentucky is also used infrequently in Ohio, particularly in the Cincinnati area and for the Carl D. Perkins bridge (Spur KY 8/Truck US 23) near Portsmouth.
Portsmouth examples...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7877/31549177227_20f05bb69c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Q4TMev)
and
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7826/44671984450_f8865384d1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2b4vACs)

Only 'state control city' sign I've caught in Cincy. This is along OH 32 eastbound...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49999587627_718c31be02_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jbhXrD)P1340783 (https://flic.kr/p/2jbhXrD)

From the LaCrose Roadmeet back in 2020 (over on Winona Island)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50398364473_55d022a485_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jMwMUv)
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Road Hog on June 05, 2025, 06:47:31 PM
The south end of I-540 in Fort Smith used to just say Oklahoma on overhead gantries. Might still do; it's been about 30 years since I recall being out that way. Probably appropriate since there isn't much out there.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: tman on June 05, 2025, 06:55:45 PM
Nebraska does this with "Iowa" in Nebraska City, on US 75 at NE-2:

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nebraska+City,+NE+68410/@40.65043,-95.8589504,3a,75y,357.92h,92.94t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sNqdhXzKnKbAQCOIkgQ1ExA!2e0!5s20230901T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-2.940132909031405%26panoid%3DNqdhXzKnKbAQCOIkgQ1ExA%26yaw%3D357.9235995561125!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x87945af720931ccf:0x1970ce0549e11af1!8m2!3d40.6765745!4d-95.8593616!10e5!16zL20vMHg4aHQ?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)

There's not a great choice east of here. You're a couple miles from the river/border, and a couple more from the junction with I-29. The next town, Sidney, is over a dozen miles away, well past I-29, and is reached via a multiplex on US 275.

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We see "Iowa" used again in Nebraska in South Sioux City. I think it's here used to avoid confusion with the three towns with "Sioux City" in the name within a few miles (South Sioux City, NE, North Sioux City, SD, and Sioux City, IA).

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/South+Sioux+City,+NE/@42.4447034,-96.436,3a,75y,19.66h,90.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjTBwO82EFAFWqZw0KNJ6vQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-0.33032082826787246%26panoid%3DjTBwO82EFAFWqZw0KNJ6vQ%26yaw%3D19.656041203492!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x878e075751e59d37:0xc064e6e2e3b41a4d!8m2!3d42.4648558!4d-96.4130601!16zL20vMHg2MTM?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: bassoon1986 on June 05, 2025, 08:44:23 PM
Not sure if this will link correctly. But was the thread from before. Some good examples in there and good pictures

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28060.msg2550622#msg2550622
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: gonealookin on June 05, 2025, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on June 05, 2025, 08:44:23 PMNot sure if this will link correctly. But was the thread from before. Some good examples in there and good pictures

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28060.msg2550622#msg2550622

Since you are the OP on that thread and say you'll update:

"California" on AZ 95 in Parker (https://maps.app.goo.gl/gZJp1MaBxcZQbGpA6) (there's also one around the corner on the southbound side).

There's nothing in California on SR 62 until you get all the way to Twentynine Palms.  A lot of traffic using SR 62 would turn either way on US 95 toward Needles or Blythe; most of the remaining traffic continuing straight on SR 62 past US 95 would then follow SR 177 to Interstate 10, and the next civilization is Other Desert Cities, er, I mean Indio.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Revive 755 on June 05, 2025, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 05, 2025, 03:07:09 PMIllinois is used in St Louis on I-55/44.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6177945,-90.1910664,3a,33.3y,25.65h,95.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s80-x9Sw1JFVrxqY0dMPsKg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-5.4442429173635105%26panoid%3D80-x9Sw1JFVrxqY0dMPsKg%26yaw%3D25.64652314413463!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Illinois is used in Dubuque on US 20.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.492082,-90.6659544,3a,30.4y,122.37h,110.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scndsktVwjlXzYq2NhStitg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-20.096719180064497%26panoid%3DcndsktVwjlXzYq2NhStitg%26yaw%3D122.36838101484581!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

And also for two signs on US 50 approaching I-255.
Western sign (https://maps.app.goo.gl/gKHnC1WJTvmUEuoe7)
Eastern sign (https://maps.app.goo.gl/yvDBcjspgQXwahX69)

EDIT1::  And on US 40 in St. Louis:
At Kingshighway (https://maps.app.goo.gl/2UYY8XTZ2T7SNGFdA)
At the previous interchange near Union Station (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Z1oi4MRwxYY9DGMU7)

EDIT2:  And for I-70 in St. Louis.  Streetview (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FA9qqWGTfJn16F2S8)

EDIT3:
Westbound US 24 uses Missouri in Quincy:
Sign 1 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/sqCMBkaeocJkVHcK7)
Sign 2 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/TLCPSavkZJq9Kc9J9)

EDIT4:This use of Illinois for US 136 in Keokuk may qualify.  Streetview (https://maps.app.goo.gl/yyBZQvbGfo6RVeTK6)
There's also a use of Missouri nearby:  Streetview 1 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/womifZmGXobDd57t5)
Streetview 2 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/JPGnZCPPq7eoZHJ3A) (complete with an IL 9 detour assembly in Iowa).

EDIT5:And Illinois makes one at least one appearance for US 34 in Burlington, IA.  Streetview (https://maps.app.goo.gl/1MatGZFDp13TcNat6)
There's "To Illinois" on US 61 at little to the west:  Sign 1 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/1MatGZFDp13TcNat6) Sign 2 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/RUHn3xdzKiJte4xF9)
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on June 06, 2025, 05:40:35 AM
Also, at one point, there was a sign on the exit from VT-9 to I-91 south in Brattleboro for "Massachusetts". I think it has been replaced with Springfield.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 06, 2025, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: tman on June 05, 2025, 06:55:45 PMNebraska does this with "Iowa" in Nebraska City, on US 75 at NE-2:

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nebraska+City,+NE+68410/@40.65043,-95.8589504,3a,75y,357.92h,92.94t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sNqdhXzKnKbAQCOIkgQ1ExA!2e0!5s20230901T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-2.940132909031405%26panoid%3DNqdhXzKnKbAQCOIkgQ1ExA%26yaw%3D357.9235995561125!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x87945af720931ccf:0x1970ce0549e11af1!8m2!3d40.6765745!4d-95.8593616!10e5!16zL20vMHg4aHQ?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)

There's not a great choice east of here. You're a couple miles from the river/border, and a couple more from the junction with I-29. The next town, Sidney, is over a dozen miles away, well past I-29, and is reached via a multiplex on US 275.

Sidney would work fine as the control.  If not, then just use I-29 as the control.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: hotdogPi on June 06, 2025, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 06, 2025, 05:40:35 AMAlso, at one point, there was a sign on the exit from VT-9 to I-91 south in Brattleboro for "Massachusetts". I think it has been replaced with Springfield.

I assume "Springfield MA"? Springfield VT is also on I-91, but in the opposite direction and closer. It's the 13th most populous municipality in Vermont (may be slightly outdated), so people will have heard of it especially being only 30 miles away.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: hobsini2 on June 06, 2025, 10:09:11 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 06, 2025, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: tman on June 05, 2025, 06:55:45 PMNebraska does this with "Iowa" in Nebraska City, on US 75 at NE-2:

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nebraska+City,+NE+68410/@40.65043,-95.8589504,3a,75y,357.92h,92.94t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sNqdhXzKnKbAQCOIkgQ1ExA!2e0!5s20230901T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-2.940132909031405%26panoid%3DNqdhXzKnKbAQCOIkgQ1ExA%26yaw%3D357.9235995561125!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x87945af720931ccf:0x1970ce0549e11af1!8m2!3d40.6765745!4d-95.8593616!10e5!16zL20vMHg4aHQ?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)

There's not a great choice east of here. You're a couple miles from the river/border, and a couple more from the junction with I-29. The next town, Sidney, is over a dozen miles away, well past I-29, and is reached via a multiplex on US 275.

Sidney would work fine as the control.  If not, then just use I-29 as the control.
Probably not used because of Sidney, Nebraska, Shenandoah would be better. Almost 5 times bigger, only 14 miles further and would not be confused with Nebraska's.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 06, 2025, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 06, 2025, 10:09:11 AMProbably not used because of Sidney, Nebraska

Sidney NE is nearly 400 miles away, so no possible IRL confusion.  Plus, easily solved by signing it as [Sidney IA].

Quote from: hobsini2 on June 06, 2025, 10:09:11 AMShenandoah would be better. Almost 5 times bigger, only 14 miles further and would not be confused with Nebraska's.

Except that, at the IA-2/US-275 junction, the control city is Sidney (https://maps.app.goo.gl/q1KABGHm9UuS3hd28).
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Ted$8roadFan on June 06, 2025, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: hotdogPi on June 06, 2025, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 06, 2025, 05:40:35 AMAlso, at one point, there was a sign on the exit from VT-9 to I-91 south in Brattleboro for "Massachusetts". I think it has been replaced with Springfield.

I assume "Springfield MA"? Springfield VT is also on I-91, but in the opposite direction and closer. It's the 13th most populous municipality in Vermont (may be slightly outdated), so people will have heard of it especially being only 30 miles away.

Pretty sure it is Springfield, MA.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 06, 2025, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 06, 2025, 01:45:27 PMPretty sure it is Springfield, MA.

But you're right:  it used to be (https://maps.app.goo.gl/SufEpZERWvVFCLRh8) 'Massachusetts'.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: mgk920 on June 06, 2025, 03:13:19 PM
I'd love to see New Jersey use 'Pennsylvania' instead of 'Del Water Gap' on westbound I-80.  I had no idea what they they meant during a roadtrip into the area a couple of decades ago.

Mike
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 06, 2025, 03:23:44 PM
How many junctions for Del Water Gap aren't also signed for Stroudsburg PA?
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: LilianaUwU on June 06, 2025, 11:25:10 PM
Lots of those in Canada. I've seen New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine in Québec.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 07, 2025, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on June 06, 2025, 11:25:10 PMLots of those in Canada. I've seen New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine in Québec.

In a similar-ish vein, I-90 in Coeur d'Alene, ID, has a couple of signs for US 95 northbound that has Canada as the control:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6974608,-116.780116,3a,15y,307.03h,95.98t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sRvpQasFBXr3t_REzSswxUg!2e0!5s20250401T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-5.977309678524847%26panoid%3DRvpQasFBXr3t_REzSswxUg%26yaw%3D307.03429586894066!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I'd imagine there are a few other signs across the US that use Canada, or at least a Canadian Province, as a control.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: oscar on June 07, 2025, 02:21:28 AM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on June 06, 2025, 11:25:10 PMLots of those in Canada. I've seen New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine in Québec.

I've seen Alaska in Alberta (even though there's both a province and a territory in-between, on the main routes between Alberta and Alaska).
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: minneha on June 07, 2025, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 05, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 05, 2025, 10:35:34 AMThere are still some instances of 'Kansas' as a control city on the Missouri side of KC.

Example:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eWeK5jnGm2zNeECQ9

Here is another example, this one on an Interstate:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/2s7cPnL5SL4xqFFt7

And, coming from the other direction:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/JDLEMWqWM4xRoYhP9

I like this. Using Kansas as a control city would also work well on eastbound I-70 in Denver, instead of using Limon.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: minneha on June 07, 2025, 12:47:13 PMUsing Kansas as a control city would also work well on eastbound I-70 in Denver, instead of using Limon.

I think we should all have a debate about the use of Limon as a control city.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: wriddle082 on June 07, 2025, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: minneha on June 07, 2025, 12:47:13 PMUsing Kansas as a control city would also work well on eastbound I-70 in Denver, instead of using Limon.

Kansas would be much less controversial, and would maybe even cause some of us who constantly fret over Limon to maybe even "get a life".  But I enjoy Control City Freak's videos, and his disgust for Limon is very entertaining.  Not sure what he would do if they really did change it to Kansas.  Hopefully he'd redirect all of that anger towards Benson, NC where it belongs.


I think we should all have a debate about the use of Limon as a control city.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on June 07, 2025, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: minneha on June 07, 2025, 12:47:13 PMUsing Kansas as a control city would also work well on eastbound I-70 in Denver, instead of using Limon.

Kansas would be much less controversial, and would maybe even cause some of us who constantly fret over Limon to maybe even "get a life".  But I enjoy Control City Freak's videos, and his disgust for Limon is very entertaining.  Not sure what he would do if they really did change it to Kansas.  Hopefully he'd redirect all of that anger towards Benson, NC where it belongs.

I think we should all have a debate about the use of Limon as a control city.


I didn't say what you said I said.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: TheCatalyst31 on June 07, 2025, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: minneha on June 07, 2025, 12:47:13 PMUsing Kansas as a control city would also work well on eastbound I-70 in Denver, instead of using Limon.

I think we should all have a debate about the use of Limon as a control city.

Solve the problem in the other direction: convince roadgeeks and their friends and family to all move to Limon so it becomes big enough to be a proper control city.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 03:37:07 PM
Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on June 07, 2025, 03:34:06 PMconvince roadgeeks and their friends and family to all move to Limon so it becomes big enough to be a proper control city.

I think you're overestimating how many roadgeeks there are.  And how many friends we have.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: thenetwork on June 07, 2025, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 07, 2025, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: minneha on June 07, 2025, 12:47:13 PMUsing Kansas as a control city would also work well on eastbound I-70 in Denver, instead of using Limon.

I think we should all have a debate about the use of Limon as a control city.

Pull an I-10 east of Denver and sign I-70 East as:

other High Plains Cities
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: lepidopteran on June 16, 2025, 10:37:50 PM
This sign (https://maps.app.goo.gl/Psgc6w9ktP4hMHJu8) before the Delaware Memorial Bridge lists just that, plus Delaware.  And on the other side of the bridge you have the unique "NY - NJ (https://maps.app.goo.gl/tVijAEJGLsRVzrAG9)" signage.  Does NY stand for the city or the state?  (Usually, the city is abbreviated to NYC.)

There are a number of New Jersey signs, such this one (https://maps.app.goo.gl/JziS9EKzdZcECVcC9) approaching the GWB, or another shown here (https://maps.app.goo.gl/pRqSQa5KcH1ZdUXW9) on Staten Island.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Ricw24 on June 23, 2025, 03:11:33 AM
Montreal: https://maps.app.goo.gl/6Uy5tyJYGWgMMQfo7
Vermont (Bridge to NY): https://maps.app.goo.gl/YCPsQ8UkBS31d5h2A
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: dantheman on June 26, 2025, 08:43:08 PM
My all-time favorite - traffic entering the US in Norton, VT gets two choices on VT 114: "Maine Sea Coast" and "Florida." https://maps.app.goo.gl/u2qGZiWhiYUtYQpe9

Until recently, I-495 NB at I-90 (and probably other places) was signed "NH - Maine."
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: Dough4872 on June 28, 2025, 12:12:47 AM
Pennsylvania Turnpike uses Ohio and New Jersey as control cities (although New York City is replacing the latter on new signs). US 202 has Pennsylvania and New Jersey around its crossing of the Delaware River. There are some signs on US 222 south of Lancaster, PA that have Maryland as a destination.
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: ilpt4u on June 28, 2025, 05:00:29 AM
Never posted on a sign, but at the southern tip of Illinois on US 51 approaching the Cairo Bridges, IDOT has painted the Left Turn Lane "KY ONLY" and the Straight Lane "MO ONLY"

https://maps.app.goo.gl/C11X4BHq2amA2hwe8
Title: Re: State Names *Only* That Are Used As Control Cities
Post by: dgolub on June 28, 2025, 08:07:59 AM
The New York Thruway (I-87/I-287) in Rockland County has several exits with just "New Jersey" as the control city.  Also, I-78 in New Jersey uses "Pennsylvania" as its control city out in Phillipsburg.