I am beginning to notice the growing use of AI to self moderate various discussion boards across the internet.
Examples:
- A recent inquiry on a laptop preference generated an AI response that my request was to broad and that I had not used the search tool adequately
- A travel site bounced a response to someone looking for advice on how to travel through Italy, the response from AI was "your reply does not meet the minimum standards set out by the forum, please review before any future posts"
- Another one was "your response does not appear to be related to the OP's original question, please review our posting standards and reconsider your reply". I assume this is to keep people from going too far off topic.
This is an interesting response in how the social framework of certain discussion forums work online.
A general "come here to talk the subject, otherwise don't come here".
Have you seen this in your surveys of the web sphere and if so were they accurate, obtrusive or just downright insulting based on what you were contributing?
And for
@Max Rockatansky , I am not aware of any AI that states "the self moderation of this forum does not allow contributions with the subject of Buc-ee's, please review our forum guidelines and find another topic to contribute" :-D
None of my off forum Facebook road groups have AI/algorithm tools activated. I did shit can a couple folks recently for constantly sharing AI road content in two of my groups. Having my hand on the wheel seems to be the way forward for the foreseeable future.
Generally most of my groups have only one rule which is to "stay on topic." What on topic is more or less is fully up to my discretion. The way the off forum groups are managed tends to be far less bylaw heavy. I could foresee too much talk about any business becoming an issue, but it would be a "I'll know it when I see it" kind of thing.
'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
I mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 24, 2025, 10:39:17 PMI mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?
Road forums and groups aren't government. To that end I don't know how much weight "free speech" has. On Old Highway 101 any new poster has to go through admin approval for their first post. I've filtered out manyCrash_It and P13 wannabes before they even got started that way.
I'm aware of some Facebook groups that have admin review over everything. Freeways of Los Angeles is like that and it is one of the better off forum road groups. No doubt this probably is because of heavy quality control and an active admin keeping up with things.
I don't think AI can take the place of an engaged group admin. The algorithms don't seem be able to think and have nuance like an actual person can.
Yeah, light vs heavy moderation is one thing, but human vs AI moderation is a completely different thing.
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
Whenever I parse AI as AL, I think:
"Why am I so soft in the middle, when the rest of my life is so hard?"It's unnecessary garbage; if people want to have a conversation with a chat bot, they should keep that to themselves.
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 24, 2025, 10:39:17 PMI mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?
I could see it in use for someone's first post, though I don't think AI is going to be able to cover every aspect of a subject (or range of subjects) with the same precision.
From past experience in moderating a much larger forum, if someone's first post is to talk about anything other than the main scope of discussion (with the exception of login/registration issues), they are 99.5% likely to be Bad News (spammer, bot, immature individual, or a formerly-banned member rejoining). That last 0.5% is a tossup between not understanding the core discussion (for example, someone joining AARoads to voice a concern about a car broken down on 15th Avenue in Slackersburg), or someone with a very weird fetish.
No.
Quote from: formulanone on June 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMWhenever I parse AI as AL, I think: "Why am I so soft in the middle, when the rest of my life is so hard?"
I don't find this stuff amusing anymore, got a short little span of attention.
A slide in a presentation at IBM in 1979:
(https://i.redd.it/o2ivfmz4rksc1.jpeg)
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 25, 2025, 11:45:20 AMA slide in a presentation at IBM in 1979:
Did a computer write that? :hmmm:
Another board I am on, there is a well-known authority by the name of Al. "Al said ..." can be taken two ways.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 25, 2025, 11:45:20 AMA slide in a presentation at IBM in 1979
good old helvetica amirite
Quote from: kphoger on June 25, 2025, 12:06:57 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on June 25, 2025, 11:45:20 AMA slide in a presentation at IBM in 1979
good old helvetica amirite
Complete with the letters being slightly misaligned due to the phototypesetting process. (I sort of miss that.)
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
At the dinner table, our nephew once asked me to pass the "Al" (as in "You Can Call Me"). He was referring to this stuff:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/A1_Steak_sauce.jpg/250px-A1_Steak_sauce.jpg)
.....which, in turn, is making me try to envision using that stuff to moderate a discussion forum.
Hey, look, an AI storage rack...
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 25, 2025, 02:01:01 PM(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/A1_Steak_sauce.jpg/250px-A1_Steak_sauce.jpg)
Quote from: kphoger on June 25, 2025, 02:09:37 PMHey, look, an AI storage rack...
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 25, 2025, 02:01:01 PM(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/A1_Steak_sauce.jpg/250px-A1_Steak_sauce.jpg)
Acting saucy. :bigass:
Al?
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExb3lkNG84NGw3cDM2YjZtMGF0c3F5ZHNlcGg2cDZzM25taHNraGNwcCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/CNCZO3VqVCdsA/giphy.gif)
Quote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
I don't think so, Tim...
(https://thehomeimpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/richard-karn-home-impodcast-interview.jpg)
What about specific AI names? I remember when baseball player Jose Siri briefly became an AI, or at least the TV announcer saying his name activated her.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 25, 2025, 03:11:23 PMI don't think so, Tim...
Tim the AI Toolman says no.
(https://r2.starryai.com/results/736100664/e15ff419-975a-4348-aba5-4b79beae899a.webp)
As Weird Al said - Eat it!
Quote from: hotdogPi on June 25, 2025, 03:18:51 PMWhat about specific AI names? I remember when baseball player Jose Siri briefly became an AI, or at least the TV announcer saying his name activated her.
I almost died listening to this live while in the car.
Quote from: Takumi on June 25, 2025, 10:04:10 PM(youtube)
Do you happen to have that one Umbreon image? Imgur deleted it and it feels a bit too appropriate.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 25, 2025, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
At the dinner table, our nephew once asked me to pass the "Al" (as in "You Can Call Me"). He was referring to this stuff:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/A1_Steak_sauce.jpg/250px-A1_Steak_sauce.jpg)
Your nephew is as smart as the Secretary of Education (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/12/linda-mcmahon-a1-instead-of-ai/83059797007/)
Quote from: Mr. Matté on June 25, 2025, 10:31:40 PMYour nephew is as smart as the Secretary of Education (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/12/linda-mcmahon-a1-instead-of-ai/83059797007/)
Come on, 1995hoo's nephew doesn't deserve to be insulted like that.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 25, 2025, 02:01:01 PMQuote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
At the dinner table, our nephew once asked me to pass the "Al" (as in "You Can Call Me"). He was referring to this stuff:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/A1_Steak_sauce.jpg/250px-A1_Steak_sauce.jpg)
.....which, in turn, is making me try to envision using that stuff to moderate a discussion forum.
A1A, US 1 Alternate and fantasy Autoroute 1 discussions only, everything else is off-topic.
Quote from: LilianaUwU on June 25, 2025, 11:19:51 PMQuote from: Mr. Matté on June 25, 2025, 10:31:40 PMYour nephew is as smart as the Secretary of Education (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/12/linda-mcmahon-a1-instead-of-ai/83059797007/)
Come on, 1995hoo's nephew doesn't deserve to be insulted like that.
Our nephew was also not yet ten years old when he said that.
Quote from: edwaleni on June 24, 2025, 10:20:17 PMI am beginning to notice the growing use of AI to self moderate various discussion boards across the internet.
Examples:
- A recent inquiry on a laptop preference generated an AI response that my request was to broad and that I had not used the search tool adequately
- A travel site bounced a response to someone looking for advice on how to travel through Italy, the response from AI was "your reply does not meet the minimum standards set out by the forum, please review before any future posts"
- Another one was "your response does not appear to be related to the OP's original question, please review our posting standards and reconsider your reply". I assume this is to keep people from going too far off topic.
This is an interesting response in how the social framework of certain discussion forums work online.
A general "come here to talk the subject, otherwise don't come here".
Have you seen this in your surveys of the web sphere and if so were they accurate, obtrusive or just downright insulting based on what you were contributing?
And for @Max Rockatansky , I am not aware of any AI that states "the self moderation of this forum does not allow contributions with the subject of Buc-ee's, please review our forum guidelines and find another topic to contribute" :-D
AI for moderation is a step forward, but I don't really like the idea that soon AI will be everywhere and will control everything. Terminator is back.
Quote from: Daisy Rahman on July 14, 2025, 08:30:13 AMAI for moderation is a step forward
I would dispute even this assertion.
Quote from: formulanone on June 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMQuote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
Whenever I parse AI as AL, I think: "Why am I so soft in the middle, when the rest of my life is so hard?"
It's unnecessary garbage; if people want to have a conversation with a chat bot, they should keep that to themselves.
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 24, 2025, 10:39:17 PMI mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?
I could see it in use for someone's first post, though I don't think AI is going to be able to cover every aspect of a subject (or range of subjects) with the same precision.
From past experience in moderating a much larger forum, if someone's first post is to talk about anything other than the main scope of discussion (with the exception of login/registration issues), they are 99.5% likely to be Bad News (spammer, bot, immature individual, or a formerly-banned member rejoining). That last 0.5% is a tossup between not understanding the core discussion (for example, someone joining AARoads to voice a concern about a car broken down on 15th Avenue in Slackersburg), or someone with a very weird fetish.
In some forvms that I frequent I now have to use 'creative' misspellings of certain key words and use word/phases such as 'delete' or 'self delete' in postings just to get past the AI moderation.
Just a sign of the times, I guess.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 16, 2025, 11:33:54 AMQuote from: formulanone on June 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMQuote from: kphoger on June 24, 2025, 10:32:29 PM'AI' looks too much like 'Al' for this sort of thread title to not be funny.
Whenever I parse AI as AL, I think: "Why am I so soft in the middle, when the rest of my life is so hard?"
It's unnecessary garbage; if people want to have a conversation with a chat bot, they should keep that to themselves.
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 24, 2025, 10:39:17 PMI mean, I can see why some forums would want that, but that is awfully dystopian and anti-free speech. Could you imagine if the AI were set up in such a way that it regulated what certain people had to say, but let people on the opposite side of the issue say whatever they wanted?
I could see it in use for someone's first post, though I don't think AI is going to be able to cover every aspect of a subject (or range of subjects) with the same precision.
From past experience in moderating a much larger forum, if someone's first post is to talk about anything other than the main scope of discussion (with the exception of login/registration issues), they are 99.5% likely to be Bad News (spammer, bot, immature individual, or a formerly-banned member rejoining). That last 0.5% is a tossup between not understanding the core discussion (for example, someone joining AARoads to voice a concern about a car broken down on 15th Avenue in Slackersburg), or someone with a very weird fetish.
In some forvms that I frequent I now have to use 'creative' misspellings of certain key words and use word/phases such as 'delete' or 'self delete' in postings just to get past the AI moderation.
Just a sign of the times, I guess.
Mike
If this has happened to more than once, have you considered that perhaps you're adding content that's undesirable?
Also, we've created the letter U now. Comes in two flavors, upper and lower-case and doesn't look vnctvovs.
Quote from: formulanone on July 16, 2025, 02:26:14 PMIf this has happened to more than once, have you considered that perhaps you're adding content that's undesirable?
Sometimes it's a problem with the algorithm, such as people having to censor LGBT-related terms to avoid it being incorrectly flagged as homophobic or transphobic even though the content is supportive rather than against it.
And try talking about certain video games without using the word "kill". It even comes up in Minecraft, which is not your typical shooter.
Quote from: hotdogPi on July 16, 2025, 02:32:24 PMAnd try talking about certain video games without using the word "kill".
terminate with extreme prejudice
You don't kill, you undead them.
You introduce sudden full body necrosis.
Modify color and presentation of pixels
I have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.
< rolleyes >
Mike
Quote from: GaryV on July 16, 2025, 02:46:42 PMYou don't kill, you undead them.
'Unalive' them?
Mike
Yeah, you're right. Either way, you're having to make up weird words just to get around using a perfectly good word.
Reminds me of an official FLL robotics forum long ago. In the robot game, there was something called a "specialist". The forum wouldn't accept the word because hidden inside it is the name of a drug used for ED. Had to change the "i" to a "1" to get it through.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 16, 2025, 07:59:56 PMI have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.
Well, I guess there's no recommending that visitors to Kansas City go tour the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum, then.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 16, 2025, 07:59:56 PMI have also seen mention of posters being AI censored from Spanish Language forums for innocently using the Spanish word for the color 'black' in postings.
< rolleyes >
Mike
No discussing a particular college fund on those forums apparently.
I read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 10:11:50 AMI read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
He puts an accent mark on the
e? Weird. That changes which syllable is stressed.
Quote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 10:11:50 AMI read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
He puts an accent mark on the e? Weird. That changes which syllable is stressed.
Not weird given its pronunciation.
Quote from: Rothman on July 17, 2025, 10:45:02 AMQuote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 10:11:50 AMI read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
He puts an accent mark on the e? Weird. That changes which syllable is stressed.
Not weird given its pronunciation.
The name is pronounced KEE-kay. So it wouldn't need an accent. It's just to not have it be a slur in English.
The accent could have gone on the I.
Quote from: hotdogPi on July 17, 2025, 11:16:43 AMThe accent could have gone on the I.
Which is also redundant. So either way it's goofy.
It would have been a lot simpler to not use the letter k, which is foreign to the Spanish language, at all. The more common spelling of the nickname is Quique. Just go with that instead.
Then again, a quick Google search reveals that it all started because an announcer got the pronunciation wrong, and I suspect announcers wouldn't have an easier time with Quique...
Fringe Problems That Didn't Happen to You for $200, Alex
Quote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 10:15:02 AMQuote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 10:11:50 AMI read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
He puts an accent mark on the e? Weird. That changes which syllable is stressed.
His nickname, not his actual name, https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen02.shtml
Note wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:29:07 PMNote wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)
Wikipedia won't get Québec right, so why do you think they'd get some random guy's name right?
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 10:11:50 AMI read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
Quote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 10:15:02 AMHe puts an accent mark on the e? Weird. That changes which syllable is stressed.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:29:07 PMHis nickname, not his actual name, https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen02.shtml
That doesn't change the fact that the accent mark affects how the name is pronounced.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:29:07 PMNote wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)
Actually, from the little bit I've read, I think Wikipedia gets it right. AIUI, he was asked to add an accent mark to his nickname
on his baseball uniform. Outside of the context of his baseball career, I don't think he actually spells it with an accent mark.
Quote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 03:38:42 PMQuote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 10:11:50 AMI read about a baseball one freaking out over the nickname of LA Dodger Enrique Hernandez, mostly because people don't put the accent over the e in his nickname, rendering it a slur against Jews.
Quote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 10:15:02 AMHe puts an accent mark on the e? Weird. That changes which syllable is stressed.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:29:07 PMHis nickname, not his actual name, https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernaen02.shtml
That doesn't change the fact that the accent mark affects how the name is pronounced.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:29:07 PMNote wikipedia can't even get it right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Hern%C3%A1ndez_(baseball)
Actually, from the little bit I've read, I think Wikipedia gets it right. AIUI, he was asked to add an accent mark to his nickname on his baseball uniform. Outside of the context of his baseball career, I don't think he actually spells it with an accent mark.
The baseball reference page has it correct. It is prononunced kee-kay, no accent and it would be the slur against Jews.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:42:43 PMThe baseball reference page has it correct.
Nope. According to the man himself in 2015, "Teams started using an accent to avoid controversy" when he was playing for the Miami Marlins. His commentary: "I don't mind it. It's in Spanish. If you don't read it in Spanish, it can be offensive."
That's a pretty name nickname by Spanish standards. Everyone in my wife's family calls my younger brother in-law "Gordo." The only person who actually calls him by his legal name is his wife.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 17, 2025, 04:04:36 PMThat's a pretty name nickname by Spanish standards. Everyone in my wife's family calls my younger brother in-law "Gordo." The only person who actually calls him by his legal name is his wife.
Yeah, a lot of Mexicans' nicknames would be offensive here in the States. Plenty of ladies go by Gorda too.
Then, I know one guy down there whose nickname is Chili Bean, but I have no idea why.
Quote from: kphoger on July 17, 2025, 03:58:23 PMQuote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 03:42:43 PMThe baseball reference page has it correct.
Nope. According to the man himself in 2015, "Teams started using an accent to avoid controversy" when he was playing for the Miami Marlins. His commentary: "I don't mind it. It's in Spanish. If you don't read it in Spanish, it can be offensive."
They do have it correct, I am using his name as marketed by MLB. Given it's not his actual name, it is kind of offensive to use it (without the accent) in the country that birthed the term, especially given he was born here. MLB wasn't joining him in that. If his birth name was misconstrued with a slur, and he was born in another country, it would be different.
It does not change my original comment, that an AI-enabled forum was deleting posts referencing his name without the accent because without it, it is commonly known as a slur.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 04:26:06 PMI am using his name as marketed by MLB.
That's my point. Kiké with an accent mark is only his nickname
according to the MLB. He has an existence outside of the MLB.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 04:26:06 PMGiven it's not his actual name, it is kind of offensive to use it (without the accent) in the country that birthed the term, especially given he was born here.
Yes, technically Puerto Rico is part of the USA. But they speak primarily Spanish there, and the nickname Kike does not have an accent mark in Spanish—including Puerto Rican Spanish. It is not offensive to use the nickname (without the accent) in the Puerto Rico that birthed him.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 04:26:06 PMMLB wasn't joining him in that.
They didn't join him in anything. They started it.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 04:26:06 PMIf his birth name was misconstrued with a slur, and he was born in another country, it would be different.
That's precisely what happened, except that technically Puerto Rico is a US territory.
Quote from: SectorZ on July 17, 2025, 04:26:06 PMIt does not change my original comment, that an AI-enabled forum was deleting posts referencing his name without the accent because without it, it is commonly known as a slur.
And that's basically the same reason he has accepted the MLB-styled nickname in the context of his career.