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Title: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 19, 2010, 02:11:59 PM
Apparently some over-height truck hit the original span, and PennDOT decided that demolition was the only way to go.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/25436390/detail.html (http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/25436390/detail.html)

(Most PGH news outlets have articles on the matter)

They mention the option of replacement of a "duplicate" or a "wider" bridge.  I'm pretty sure they're working on a couple of projects on this stretch of I-70, where the highway will be slightly widened so that it's not quite as horribly substandard... so I doubt they want to build a new bridge to the old specs that they'd be stuck with.  But since it's an "emergency" it will get done, either way.

Also, it was fortunate that the bridge was part of a traditional diamond exit, allowing for a minimal "detour".
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: exit322 on October 19, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
It'd do them some good to restructure a lot of those exits, too.  How many of the roads exited between NS & Washington even have enough traffic to really be useful?
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: ShawnP on October 19, 2010, 05:24:02 PM
Talk about a Interstate begging for upgrades.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 19, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
This incident is just to the east of where the Lakeview Drive overpass was hit and damaged in 2005, and subsequently demolished.

Quote from: exit322 on October 19, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
It'd do them some good to restructure a lot of those exits, too.  How many of the roads exited between NS & Washington even have enough traffic to really be useful?

At least 21 of the 28 between 79 and 76.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: ShawnP on October 19, 2010, 05:34:50 PM
Worst rural Interstate in the nation IMHO that stretch is. Traveled it many times going from Missouri to Deleware and back. Then that damn Scamwood exit.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 20, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
The driver had a permit to haul the oversized load, but the permit said he was required to take the exit and get back on 70 to avoid that bridge.  Either he failed to read that part or ignored it thinking it was an error is anyone's guess.

None of the bridges along that section of 70 are marked as low clearance locations on PennDOT's Truckers' Guide.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: Sykotyk on October 22, 2010, 02:12:50 AM
He probably either didn't pay attention that his route required him to exit or he had simply missed his exit not realizing it had come up on him so quickly.

Either way, hauling oversize, especially on I-70/I-76 in Pennsylvania requires a lot of patience. A lot of lower bridges, arched bridges, slanted bridges, etc.

I just can't believe he just drove away. Leaving the scene of an accident (injury or not) will be on his record.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 22, 2010, 02:27:13 PM
This is not his first incident here, as he struck a bridge in Cumberland County in 2008.

Trucker Who Hit I-70 Span Had Similar Crash in '08 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10294/1096832-147.stm) - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: exit322 on October 24, 2010, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: PAHighways on October 19, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
This incident is just to the east of where the Lakeview Drive overpass was hit and damaged in 2005, and subsequently demolished.

Quote from: exit322 on October 19, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
It'd do them some good to restructure a lot of those exits, too.  How many of the roads exited between NS & Washington even have enough traffic to really be useful?

At least 21 of the 28 between 79 and 76.

So that's still 7 that can be removed allowing for upgrades of the 21 useful ones.

It's Pennsylvania, would you just toll I-80 already so you can upgrade I-70?  Or some weird logic like that?
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: Scott5114 on October 24, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
To toll I-80 to pay for I-70, you have to toll I-99 to pay for I-78 which has to be tolled to pay for I-90! Or something like that.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 24, 2010, 03:29:35 PM
Quote from: exit322 on October 24, 2010, 10:06:05 AMIt's Pennsylvania, would you just toll I-80 already so you can upgrade I-70?  Or some weird logic like that?

Upgrading 70, beyond what has been done such as between Exit 39 and Exit 43, is as likely to happen as toll booths going up on 80.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: mightyace on October 25, 2010, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: exit322 on October 24, 2010, 10:06:05 AM
It's Pennsylvania, would you just toll I-80 already so you can upgrade I-70?  Or some weird logic like that?

The reason that the I-80 tolling went down in flames was that the state wanted I-80 tolls to pay for transportation needs outside of maintaining I-80 which is contrary to current federal law.

There are two choices to use tolls to pay for I-70 upgrades.
1) Add tolls to that section of I-70.
2) Divert existing turnpike tolls to the project.  (That is happening to a degree with money going from the PTC into PennDOT's general fund.)
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 25, 2010, 05:08:38 PM
Briefing tomorrow on the Interstate 70 Kammerer Exit Bridge Accident (http://www.dot.state.pa.us/penndot/districts/district12.nsf/b57a20b8dd4abd7d852572c200683d70/1eff21439001d9f7852577c7005e4aa1?OpenDocument) - District 12-0
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 25, 2010, 11:11:20 PM
All of this wouldn't be a problem if PennDot's plans to build a 'new' I-70 didn't get financially starved.

http://www.gribblenation.com/swparoads/70/
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: mightyace on October 26, 2010, 10:50:03 AM
Maybe we should actually thank this trucker.

He's forcing PennDOT to replace bridges that need to be replaced.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 26, 2010, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: mightyace on October 26, 2010, 10:50:03 AM
Maybe we should actually thank this trucker.

He's forcing PennDOT to replace bridges that need to be replaced.  :biggrin:

can he accidentally plow into Breezewood with a cargo of aviation fuel?
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 26, 2010, 11:27:59 AM
Mightyace,

Actually I believe that PennDot has a case to charge the trucker - or at least his insurance company - to replace the bridge. 
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: mightyace on October 26, 2010, 11:31:41 AM
Darn, I knew there had to be a catch somewhere!  :banghead:
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 26, 2010, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: mightyace on October 26, 2010, 10:50:03 AM
Maybe we should actually thank this trucker.

He's forcing PennDOT to replace bridges that need to be replaced.  :biggrin:

Yes, thankfully he is only crashing into inanimate objects so far.

Adam is correct, PennDOT is planning to give the bill to the trucking company and their insurance company.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 26, 2010, 04:53:00 PM
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/10299/1098195-147.stm (http://www.postgazette.com/pg/10299/1098195-147.stm)

Looks like they're hoping to have a new one opened by the end of June.

Fixed URL. -- rmf67
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 27, 2010, 10:58:04 AM
A more detailed follow up in today's paper.

http://post-gazette.com/pg/10300/1098262-55.stm

The biggest takeaway from the article:

"The new bridge will have a 16-foot-6-inch vertical clearance, meeting current interstate highway standards, Ms. Duda said at a town meeting in Somerset Township. The old bridge had a 14-foot-9-inch clearance. The new span will be longer and wider and will accommodate future expansion of I-70 to six lanes"

Expansion of 70 to six lanes?  Hmmm, very interesting.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 27, 2010, 11:53:45 AM
Unless there is confusion between the writer and District 12-0, and the longer bridge is intended for the type of upgrade 70 had in the Belle Vernon area.  If you added the additional width of the median and the wider shoulder, it probably could add up to the width of an additional lane in each direction.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 27, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
Yeah... I read that this morning and assumed the widening was for median/shoulder, as I've heard they were currently doing that in a project (closer to 519 I think) elsewhere, but never heard anything about 6-laning.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2010, 07:53:45 PM
And if they were widening I-70 to three lanes anywhere, I would do it between the two I-79 junctions myself.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: JREwing78 on October 27, 2010, 10:09:38 PM
PennDOT would be stupid to not make it sufficiently wide to handle 6 lanes (or even 8) on the Turnpike. Given how long the original bridge lasted, it wouldn't be outrageous to expect this one to last just as long, and it'll definitely need 6 lanes by then.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on October 27, 2010, 10:15:18 PM
The Washington Observer-Reporter (http://www.observer-reporter.com/OR/Story/10-27-2010-Interstate-70-overpass)'s story also mentions the accommodation for a future six-lane I-70.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 28, 2010, 12:28:17 AM
Jon Schmitz of the P-G wrote me back on the six lane possibility and said that PennDOT has no plans to widen 70 to six lanes at this time.  THe new bridge will have a 100 year life expectancy, and hey anything is possible between now and 2111, I guess.

I can't even begin to imagine the cost of a six lane I-70.  The right-of-way acquisition, let alone building new bridges to replace the Speers over the Mon and the Smithton High Level over the Yough would cost well into the billions.  If 70 is ever going to be built to six lanes, count on it being tolled.
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: LeftyJR on October 28, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
Hey, even getting that section to modern standards for a four lane road would be great!
Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: Mr_Northside on October 28, 2010, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: LeftyJR on October 28, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
Hey, even getting that section to modern standards for a four lane road would be great!

You took the words right off of my keyboard.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on October 28, 2010, 12:28:17 AM
I can't even begin to imagine the cost of a six lane I-70.  The right-of-way acquisition, let alone building new bridges to replace the Speers over the Mon and the Smithton High Level over the Yough would cost well into the billions.  If 70 is ever going to be built to six lanes, count on it being tolled.

Yeah... I have no expectations to ever see a wholesale 6-laning in my lifetime. The Smithton bridge was just significantly rehabbed not that long ago.
Though I'm sure when it's time to replace the older Speers bridge (I have no idea what it's "life-expectancy" is... when it will be time to replace instead of intensive rehab) , it will probably accommodate 6-lanes; even if they are just add/drops for the adjacent exits (Similar to the I-79-Ohio River Bridge).  Actually, looking at it, I'm sure PennDOT is going to try and extend it's life as long as possible.  It looks like a replacement span will be a major headache.

Title: Re: Damaged - Now Demolisihed - Bridge on I-70 (between N.Stanton - Washington)
Post by: PAHighways on January 06, 2011, 06:30:30 PM
State: New Bridge by July (http://www.observer-reporter.com/OR/Story/01-06-2011-bridge-followup) - Washington Observer-Reporter