Does anyone know what the current progress is on the I-86 upgrade of NY 17 in Chemung county east of Elmira? The project website (https://www.nysdot.gov/regional-offices/region6/projects/nys-route17) only lists it as "under construction". Also, does anyone know where "Reed's Crossing" is? The site mentions a new interchange there, but no map has that location.
Also, does anyone know why the eastern segment of I-86 ends at NY 79? I don't see any reason that it's not interstate standard between there and the at-grade intersections at Hale Eddy. The NYSDOT page (https://www.nysdot.gov/regional-offices/multi/i-86/projects) on the I-86 conversion doesn't list any projects in that area either.
For your first question, check out page 7 (https://www.nysdot.gov/regional-offices/region6/projects/nys-route17/repository/newsletter4comb.pdf).
Ah, that's where I assumed it would be, given the area. Great to know for sure. Thanks, it didn't occur to me to look through the really old newsletters. I imagine there isn't much to see from NY 17, given that most of the work would be on CR 60.
From a post on northeastroads, it looks like the work between Elmira and Lowman (exits 56-58) is done. I've included that post below:
Quotejust a quick update.
the road is finished from Elmira to the Lowman exit. It is concrete. and the west bound lanes are slightly higher (ave 10 feet) than the east bound lanes. no new exits. heading east, beyond Lowman, it looks like the two motels have been razed(pitch black, but didn't seem to see any buildings)
Looks like the person who posted to northeastroads only went eastbound. Here's a current construction photo:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_6zDqXUkKvc0/TdHHxoXpPeI/AAAAAAAAHnc/eT5Jq6OQjh4/s640/100_5171.JPG)
Here's future exit 58A (Reed's Crossing):
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_6zDqXUkKvc0/TdHHyCVkkTI/AAAAAAAAHnk/OFL9E12kMSg/s640/100_5175.JPG)
Quote from: deanej on May 16, 2011, 10:16:59 PMHere's future exit 58A (Reed's Crossing):
Why 58A? Unless it's after exit 58 (going east), wouldn't 57 (which, of course, was freed up when it and exit 56 were combined into a single exit, retaining the latter number) make more sense?
A situation where milepost-based exit numbering would avoid having to ask the question to begin with...
Quote from: WNYroadgeek on May 17, 2011, 01:35:55 AM
Why 58A? Unless it's after exit 58 (going east), wouldn't 57 (which, of course, was freed up when it and exit 56 were combined into a single exit, retaining the latter number) make more sense?
It's after exit 58. Reed's Crossing is the last at-grade before the Chemung River crossing, and one of two at-grades east of exit 58.
Do you guys happen to have any information or links on I-86 Current progress, or is the NYSDOT website the only link I can look for?
As far as I know just the NYSDOT site, which is a shame - region 6 doesn't seem to have their act together when it comes to PR anymore (they used to do a very good job, at least on I-86 projects). For that matter, all of NYSDOT seems to have gone downhill since the new site. You used to get a lot of information about every project; now for most projects all you get can be summed up as "well, DUH".
Wikipedia says that a 3rd section exists near Middletown. Between what exits is this?
When I was by a couple months ago, there were a bunch of covered up I-86 shields between I-84 and some point to the west I forget exactly where (probably Monticello). Have they been revealed now?
Quote from: Duke87 on June 10, 2011, 07:41:50 PM
When I was by a couple months ago, there were a bunch of covered up I-86 shields between I-84 and some point to the west I forget exactly where (probably Monticello). Have they been revealed now?
No, they have not. I passed by the new signs yesterday, and they are still covered up.
Quote from: HighwayMaster on June 10, 2011, 07:44:15 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on June 10, 2011, 07:41:50 PM
When I was by a couple months ago, there were a bunch of covered up I-86 shields between I-84 and some point to the west I forget exactly where (probably Monticello). Have they been revealed now?
No, they have not. I passed by the new signs yesterday, and they are still covered up.
They were uncovered for about a couple months after they were first put up, I'd say back around Spring 2010. They were covered back up fairly quickly. The section in question was between I-84 and the Orange/Sullivan County line.
Quote from: Snappyjack on June 11, 2011, 12:57:01 AM
They were uncovered for about a couple months after they were first put up, I'd say back around Spring 2010. They were covered back up fairly quickly. The section in question was between I-84 and the Orange/Sullivan County line.
is this a different batch than what I photographed in April '07?
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NY/NY19880864i1.jpg)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 11, 2011, 01:00:26 AM
Quote from: Snappyjack on June 11, 2011, 12:57:01 AM
They were uncovered for about a couple months after they were first put up, I'd say back around Spring 2010. They were covered back up fairly quickly. The section in question was between I-84 and the Orange/Sullivan County line.
is this a different batch than what I photographed in April '07?
That's probably a mistake, because Wiki said it opened in '09.
Someone probably saw the shields and added it to Wikipedia erroneously. I-86 hasn't had new sections added by AASHTO. I don't know why they don't do what used to be done: approve the entire route and allow signing as soon as a sections is up to interstate standards. Most of I-86 would be signed now if they did that.
in fact, if you want to do what used to be done - sign incomplete segments of it as "TEMPORARY I-86".
Quote from: HighwayMaster on June 10, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Wikipedia says that a 3rd section exists near Middletown. Between what exits is this?
Don't think this exists, however there is one shield in Monticello for an onramp [see above]
I just drove 81 south through Binghamton yesterday, and 86/17 east is still just posted as 17.
It's posted I-86, but the DOT has yet to update the signs on I-81 south. Northbound signage for I-86 has existed for years.
Coincidentally, I also drove I-81 south in that area and I-86/NY 17 to the east yesterday.
Quote from: HighwayMaster on June 10, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Wikipedia says that a 3rd section exists near Middletown. Between what exits is this?
I have no idea what article you're referring to as the I-86 and NY 17 articles don't make that claim as far as I can tell. There was once a claim similar to that in one of the two articles, but I tossed it out when I rewrote both of them some time ago. If there is an article that claims that, it's wrong; as far as I'm aware, I-86 currently exists only between I-90 in Pennsylvania and NY 352 east of Elmira, and from I-81 east to NY 79.
Sometime in the last week NYSDOT removed the last at-grade in Chemung county. It presently has a temp jersey barrier and a road closed sign. It will probably be dug up when NYSDOT gets around to starting reconstruction of NY 17 east of Lowman (looks like it could start any day now).
Also, the reconstructed part between Jerusalem Hill and Lowman has I-86 mile markers in the new region 6 style (it's like the ones on I-81, but much smaller; pretty much just the old style with an interstate shield on top; part of I-390 south of Cohocton uses this style as well).
Got some photos of the Parksville construction:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-41o51oYl2yI/Ti4UTvUVJkI/AAAAAAAAIas/aDbfjVYk60E/s640/100_5521.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-881RmXLHv8I/Ti4UUCKpC5I/AAAAAAAAIaw/9QQqxjFWFQI/s640/100_5523.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KPwxK4D3ZFw/Ti4UUkiC5ZI/AAAAAAAAIa0/2RTRVgDDfBA/s640/100_5524.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g26aF-9PBF4/Ti4UWacD4NI/AAAAAAAAIbA/SKQSKWzLsDc/s640/100_5527.JPG)
Also some kind of I-86 shield a few miles east of NY 206 (before Parksville):
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vI6dHC040mM/Ti4US7SP3eI/AAAAAAAAIak/RU0k42rSP-Q/s640/100_5519.JPG)
Figured that I should mention that the eastbound lanes are now closed between Lowman and Chemung for reconstruction.
Quote from: HighwayMaster on June 10, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Wikipedia says that a 3rd section exists near Middletown. Between what exits is this?
While I can't verify the accuracy of the Wikipedia article, I can say that when NYSDOT reconstructed 17 between the Sullivan/Orange County line and I-84 in Middletown last year, they had erected I-86/NY 17 shields along that stretch. However, the 86 shields have since been covered up and it has not been approved officially as a third addition to the highway.
I imagine it will next year when it can be submitted for apporval. There's also a stretch between Roscoe and Liberty that has I-86 shields where it looks like the DOT sanded the paint off rather than covering them up. Apparently this section still can't be designated (even once the Parksville project is completed), but there are no projects mentioned on the DOT site (other than the Neversink bridge) that aren't underway now. Certainly nothing to explain why the section near Wurtsboro can't be added.
Either I-86 there is undersigned, or it's not going to be signed for a very, very long time. The DOT site lists all projects until around 2024 or so. Some I can't even get scheduling information on because all projects for the I-86 upgrade link to the I-86 page but the I-86 page doesn't have a section for all of the projects, so if you want to know when the acceleration/deceleration lane lengthening in Tioga County of the Neversink River bridge replacement are going to happen, forget it.
For reference, here's all the ones I can remember off the top of my head:
-At-grade intersection removal/reconstruction, Elmira to Chemung (under construction, finish 2012)
-Acceleration/deceleration lane lengthening, Tioga County (unknown)
-Kamikaze Curve (~2013-2015 or 2017)
-Binghamton area signing (~2015 or 2017)
-At-grade intersection removal/reconstruction, Hale Eddy (2014-2017)
-At-grade intersection removal/reconstruction, Parksville (under construction, finish 2012)
-Exit 106 reconstruction (under construction, should have been finished last year)
-Neversink River bridge replacement (unknown)
-Exit 122 reconstruction (under construction according to DOT site, finish 2012 or 2013)
-Exit 131 reconstruction (don't remember, but it's not until around 2017 or beyond)
So much for it being done in 2012 (original estimate in 2000). :-D Typical New York, but at least it'll be done before the 2nd Avenue Subway.
Someone at the New Haven meet said their was a rules change on I-86; apparently a Bush appointee decided that it had to meet interstate standards rather than just remove the at-grade intersections and get grandfathered in (which explains things like bridges with practically no shoulders on I-86 near Campbell but the Neversink bridge needing replacement).
Here's the current state of things...
The Parksville bypass is up and running in both directions. When I last went through in August it wasn't yet connected to old 17, nor quite fully paved. I know Slater got some video of half of it a month or two later... As of now, blue services signs are posted but all of the logos are blank, which looks sad for Parksville but in reality they're probably just not purchased yet.
Google Maps wins the prize for attempting to show the bypass (needs work though). No other site I've seen does this, not even Open Street Map for some reason.
There are I-86 blanks posted in Orange County from I-84 to the Sullivan line (dual assemblies with NY 17 shields) and in Sullivan County from the Parksville bypass to the Delaware line (standalone I-shields with NY 17 on separate posts).
In Chemung County, reconstruction appears complete (it was night) from Elmira to Lowman. As of August all traffic was sharing the new EB lanes. East of Lowman, there's evidence of recent carriageway shifts but both sides are open at the moment. Couldn't make out any sign of the new Reeds Crossing interchange, but as I say it was dark out...
And an aside, on I-390 in Steuben County there is new exit signage along with both overpass and underpass names. You sure do cross the Cohocton River an awful lot!
Quote from: empirestate on December 23, 2011, 12:05:12 PM
Google Maps wins the prize for attempting to show the bypass (needs work though). No other site I've seen does this, not even Open Street Map for some reason.
I just did what I could from 2010 NAIP aerials, but it needs work: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8599&lon=-74.77403&zoom=15&layers=M
The Reed's Crossing interchange is going well, though right now it's just a bridge and dirt:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ONXiUeLizFM/TdHHyCVkkTI/AAAAAAAAJTk/X4QOfpaKBZk/s800/100_5175.JPG)
Quote from: NE2 on December 23, 2011, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: empirestate on December 23, 2011, 12:05:12 PM
Google Maps wins the prize for attempting to show the bypass (needs work though). No other site I've seen does this, not even Open Street Map for some reason.
I just did what I could from 2010 NAIP aerials, but it needs work: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8599&lon=-74.77403&zoom=15&layers=M
I've fixed it up and added the interchange...I'm not positive from the NYSDOT drawings where some of the new dead-ends actually are though.
Quote from: empirestate on December 27, 2011, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 23, 2011, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: empirestate on December 23, 2011, 12:05:12 PM
Google Maps wins the prize for attempting to show the bypass (needs work though). No other site I've seen does this, not even Open Street Map for some reason.
I just did what I could from 2010 NAIP aerials, but it needs work: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8599&lon=-74.77403&zoom=15&layers=M
I've fixed it up and added the interchange...I'm not positive from the NYSDOT drawings where some of the new dead-ends actually are though.
Just curious, but what's your ID in OSM? You should post it in the OSM thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4420.0). ;)
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on December 27, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
Just curious, but what's your ID in OSM? You should post it in the OSM thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4420.0). ;)
NateOMatic. I've just started messing with it. :-)
Speaking of OSM, I see how Old Route 17 goes through the area. Can anyone point me to an aerial that's been updated recently enough to sort of see what's going on? Google is still pre-construction.
Mapquest has 2010 NAIP imagery, which shows some clearing but no more: http://mapq.st/x8dkgd
To clarify, my main concern is the connectivity coming from the east on original 17 and heading out west on original 17. Is old 17 still four lanes, or down to two? Have any dead ends been reconnected - OSM seems to show that they haven't. Wondering about the details of how original 17 ties into old 17. {Old = expressway, original = 2 lane}
Quote from: NE2 on January 25, 2012, 07:54:38 PM
Mapquest has 2010 NAIP imagery, which shows some clearing but no more: http://mapq.st/x8dkgd
NYSGIS has 2010 imagery for Sullivan County, a little newer than NAIP but still mid-construction. But you can clearly see the right-of-way.
http://www.orthos.dhses.ny.gov/
Quote from: Upside down frog in a triangle on January 25, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
To clarify, my main concern is the connectivity coming from the east on original 17 and heading out west on original 17. Is old 17 still four lanes, or down to two? Have any dead ends been reconnected - OSM seems to show that they haven't. Wondering about the details of how original 17 ties into old 17. {Old = expressway, original = 2 lane}
Well then you want this: (PDF, 8.6 MB) https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/region9/projects/route-17-parksville/repository/906674_feis_13_app_b.pdf
That was my primary source for the OSM update, although it is a little inconclusive about some of the dead-ends, but it does show how old NY 17 has been un-dualized.
Quote from: empirestate on January 25, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
That was my primary source for the OSM update, although it is a little inconclusive about some of the dead-ends, but it does show how old NY 17 has been un-dualized.
The one I was primarily concerned with - it does look like Main St. (starting from the east) will indeed dead end rather than reconnect to the two-lane road. It also may no longer be possible, though inconclusive, to get to the abandoned concrete to the west side of the project (and a bit north) that's original NY 17 coming off of the two-lane. Taylor Dr. (or whatever it may actually be) looks doable between those two. I guess I'll have to report back.
Also note that it's possible that plans changed after the FEIS.
It is possible, but from the early imagery and field reports it seems like a close match. I'll actually be going through there next weekend, in daylight this time, so I'll poke around some more.
Quote from: Snappyjack on August 08, 2011, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: HighwayMaster on June 10, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Wikipedia says that a 3rd section exists near Middletown. Between what exits is this?
While I can't verify the accuracy of the Wikipedia article, I can say that when NYSDOT reconstructed 17 between the Sullivan/Orange County line and I-84 in Middletown last year, they had erected I-86/NY 17 shields along that stretch. However, the 86 shields have since been covered up and it has not been approved officially as a third addition to the highway.
Quote from: deanej on August 09, 2011, 02:37:43 PM
I imagine it will next year when it can be submitted for apporval. There's also a stretch between Roscoe and Liberty that has I-86 shields where it looks like the DOT sanded the paint off rather than covering them up. Apparently this section still can't be designated (even once the Parksville project is completed), but there are no projects mentioned on the DOT site (other than the Neversink bridge) that aren't underway now. Certainly nothing to explain why the section near Wurtsboro can't be added.
Either I-86 there is undersigned, or it's not going to be signed for a very, very long time. The DOT site lists all projects until around 2024 or so. Some I can't even get scheduling information on because all projects for the I-86 upgrade link to the I-86 page but the I-86 page doesn't have a section for all of the projects, so if you want to know when the acceleration/deceleration lane lengthening in Tioga County of the Neversink River bridge replacement are going to happen, forget it.
For reference, here's all the ones I can remember off the top of my head:
-At-grade intersection removal/reconstruction, Elmira to Chemung (under construction, finish 2012)
-Acceleration/deceleration lane lengthening, Tioga County (unknown)
-Kamikaze Curve (~2013-2015 or 2017)
-Binghamton area signing (~2015 or 2017)
-At-grade intersection removal/reconstruction, Hale Eddy (2014-2017)
-At-grade intersection removal/reconstruction, Parksville (under construction, finish 2012)
-Exit 106 reconstruction (under construction, should have been finished last year)
-Neversink River bridge replacement (unknown)
-Exit 122 reconstruction (under construction according to DOT site, finish 2012 or 2013)
-Exit 131 reconstruction (don't remember, but it's not until around 2017 or beyond)
I'm assuming that the reason these signs are covered up/altered is because the road will not become I-86 until it is fully completed to the Thruway.
Then explain the covered up "End I-86 signs" on either end of that section. Also, why would the rest of the quickway wait until it's completed to the Thruway? Sections that are done should be signed I-86.
EDIT:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kpsdYdvSyG8/Ti4V7l9m2hI/AAAAAAAAJTI/LBnENwsWhMA/s640/100_5562.JPG)
This is at I-84 heading east. There's another one just like it heading west at NY 17K.
I would have thought the Quickway from I-84 to the Thurway would have been signed I-86 much sooner then the rest of the highway seeing that its pretty much interstate standard after all that reconstruction through the years. Too bad they didn't widen it to 3 lanes in each direction while they were at it, that section of 17 gets PACKED through Orange County.
Exit 122 (just east of I-84) needs to be rebuilt. Apparently exit 131 (NY 17 intersecting NY 17 and NY 32) does as well, though I'm not sure why. Exit 122 was supposed to be done by now and got delayed; exit 131 isn't slated to be done until after the Hale Eddy and Neversink River projects are done (I don't know of any more on the quickway, though something must be causing a hang up near Wurtsboro, though that could be regions 8 and 9 not agreeing on signage).
Quote from: Steve on January 25, 2012, 08:16:35 PM
The one I was primarily concerned with - it does look like Main St. (starting from the east) will indeed dead end rather than reconnect to the two-lane road. It also may no longer be possible, though inconclusive, to get to the abandoned concrete to the west side of the project (and a bit north) that's original NY 17 coming off of the two-lane. Taylor Dr. (or whatever it may actually be) looks doable between those two. I guess I'll have to report back.
So here's what I've found as of now: Liberty Highway (the old Quickway/NY 17) is now two lanes, using the former westbound roadway, except for a stretch between "original" NY 17 and east of Taylor Road, where it's shunted onto the former eastbound roadway. The abandoned concrete of original NY 17 no longer connects to Liberty Highway at the west end of the project, but you can easily walk across a patch of grass to get to it.
Taylor Road comes into the old westbound lanes, and has to use a stretch of them to connect with the currently open eastbound lanes opposite Memories' driveway.
It doesn't look like they've touched the now cut-off section of O'Keefe Hill Road, but it's still there; it just ends abruptly at the new NY 17 ROW line (where, interestingly, they've posted "No Pedestrians or Bicycles" signs such as you'd usually find at entrance ramps).
I've revised OSM to show the current conditions.
Main Street still connects to Liberty Highway at both ends of the project. In fact, on the east end it's currently the detour for the new alignments of Liberty Highway and Parksville Road, which aren't yet open east of Cooley Road (the old Exit 98 traffic signal).
What remains of the road through Parksville:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg404.imageshack.us%2Fimg404%2F2614%2Fpc0182.jpg&hash=fcc88bfe91a77df5eb38423c3448b89ce5c1fed3)
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Maybe the fact that it was 8 AM Saturday morning contributed, but without the freeway cutting through that place is freaking dead.
Thank you both for the feedback!
Quote from: Duke87 on February 04, 2012, 10:10:46 PM
Maybe the fact that it was 8 AM Saturday morning contributed, but without the freeway cutting through that place is freaking dead.
It's been dead for a while. Actually, given all of the concern for keeping the hamlet's vitality and how it affected the bypass routing, it's interesting to note that whatever businesses would have been saved by those decisions are now pretty well closed and gone. Indeed, many of them were that way well before construction even began, save for those located directly along (old) NY 17.
But at least, if the hamlet ever does revitalize, at least it still exists.
I just drove the Elmira-Lowman stretch. West of Lowman, both directions are complete. Westbound traffic is using both lanes, eastbound traffic is restricted by barrels to the right lane. But East of Lowman, it looks like they've removed the old westbound lanes to rebuild from scratch. Fine grading is complete in some sections,rough grading in others, but no subbase has been placed.
That's exactly what they're doing. That's what they did west of Lowman too. The old median must not be interstate standards or something.
I've just done a round trip from NYC to Rochester, so here's what I can report on I-86 and associated works:
A new bridge over the Neversink River is taking shape on the north side of NY 17. It's somewhat higher than the existing bridge, so vertical curvature is obviously being corrected here.
At Parksville, work appears to be entirely concluded, save a few straggling details. The old NY 17 alignment is now open at both ends, connecting to CR 176 on the east, and has been fully converted to a single carriageway. There is no pavement remaining of the former dual carriageway, either through the business district or at the former connection to the rerouted mainline, which has also been vacated, and even the grading, though still evident, is not conspicuous. The new parking lot and rail trail connection have been built at the west end of the project.
One surprise to me was that the little stub of CR 176/Parksville Road right in front of the church has been removed; I'd thought from the plans that it would remain, though I don't know why it should. As a result, the church is no longer on a corner.
In Chemung County, work is also substantially complete. The Reeds Crossing interchange is now open, though not signed other than small EXIT signs at the gore. All intersections and driveways have been severed, including those associated with construction activity. As of Friday, there was still one lane closed each direction, through both the east and west segments of the project.
Work is well underway at Kamikaze Curve. New bridge piers are starting to rise in the Chenango River, and some amount of earth work has been done to the side of Prospect Mountain. There are big orange diagrammatic guide signs associated with new lane restrictions and traffic patterns approaching the area. The construction zone extends west through the Front and Mygatt St. interchanges.
A bit to the east, the NY 17 EB ramp over I-81 is closed for reconstruction. Access is currently via the Exit 2 ramp to US 11, with a temporary signal installed to allow a left turn onto NY 17.
Up at Hale Eddy, there is also work underway, but not for the I-86 upgrade. It seems to be limited to current and recent milling/repaving contracts. Guess they're committed to not starting serious work here for a couple more years.
The bridge deck is being replaced over Fulton St. in South Waverly, PA.
A fair number of other minor projects are evident along the route.
And for non-I-86 related notes:
The I-81/I-481 interchange is having some work done. Currently, lanes are configured so that I-81 SB is two lanes thru to I-481 NB. Continuing on I-81 SB is a one-lane exit off of itself.
Pavement joints have been patched along I-81 in northern Broome County, resulting in an unpleasant stretch of jolting bumps that's impossible to avoid. My neck started to ache from the jostling. :(
Did the exit signs happen to have an exit number for Reed's Crossing?
Hale Eddy isn't planned to start reconstruction until 2015.
Quote from: deanej on September 30, 2012, 01:45:20 PM
Did the exit signs happen to have an exit number for Reed's Crossing?
No they didn't, so I didn't know what to put into OSM when I updated it (which I of course did). I assume it will be 58A? Or will they shift adjacent exit numbers, since both 55 and 57 are available? I think I recall hearing somewhere that that was the plan. Then you'd have Exit 54-NY 13, Exit 55-Church/Water Sts., Exit 56-Lowman, Exit 57-Reed's Crossing, Exit 58-Chemung, Exit 59-Wilawana.
That would be logical, but this is I-86/NY 17. Crazy numbering is part of the highway. I've always assumed 58A.
On a side note, with that interchange completed, should we expect to see the I-86 designation extended (to say, NY 201) anytime soon? AFAIK, there isn't anything left to do to bring it up to interstate standards between its' current eastern end (Exit 56) and the Kamikaze Curve.
The following, from NYSDOT:
QuoteThis project will upgrade signing in the Binghamton Urban Area as Rte. 17 is converted to Interstate 86, Towns of Kirkwood, Vestal, Village of Johnson City, and City of Binghamton, Broome County.
Follow the link to see the schedule; suffice to say, it's a few years away:
https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/multi/i-86/projects/signing-binghamton
Also listed as "under development" is an I-86 conversion contract for Tioga County, so presumably there's some upgrading left to be done there. I can't think what it might entail, perhaps some bridge geometry and other minor tweaks.
Probably replacing the ramps with sharp curves from Nichols to Apalachin.
Quote from: vdeane on September 30, 2012, 01:45:20 PM
Did the exit signs happen to have an exit number for Reed's Crossing?
I can now answer this: the new interchange at Reed's Crossing is Exit 58, and is signed (westbound anyway) for CR 60, Lowman.
The original Lowman interchange is now Exit 57, with supplemental tabs that say "Formerly Exit 58". (It's signed, as always, for CR 2, CR 8, CR 60, Lowman, Wellsburg)
I saw an uncovered I-86 shield between the two Lowman interchanges, and at least one other still covered up. Bridge work east of Exit 59 had the left lane closed, in both directions I believe, so I'd bet that I-86 is set to officially reach the Chemung/Tioga County line before too long.
Elsewhere along the route, at Kamikaze Curve the bridge piers are complete and considerable steel erected for the new WB I-86 ramp over the river. I went through at night, but with the hillside cleared away it was already much more roomy-feeling.
The I-86 signage essentially goes to exit 59 now... given the lack of applications to AASHTO, I think NY's planning to designate all of I-86 from Elmira to Binghamton (and maybe that portion with covered signs in Orange County?) all at once.
Quote from: vdeane on June 09, 2013, 07:50:03 PM
The I-86 signage essentially goes to exit 59 now... given the lack of applications to AASHTO, I think NY's planning to designate all of I-86 from Elmira to Binghamton (and maybe that portion with covered signs in Orange County?) all at once.
Looks that way; going eastbound today, I saw one uncovered shield between exits 58 and 59, and several more in various states of coveredness, but after Exit 59 it switches back to Future I-86 signage.
Interestingly, it appears from passing by that the ramps at the new Exit 58 have reference markers for "17", not "86I" as you'd expect–they do have 86I on the ramps at Exit 56.
You, or y'all, may also recall there are "99I" reference markers at the north end of US 15. Incidentally I went down to see how the last piece of I-99 in New York is coming, and it certainly is. The southbound bridge over Morgan Creek is pretty well complete, the northbound one slightly less so, but the ones at Watkins Creek are still just girders. The roadbed itself it pretty well along, being substantially complete towards the north end. I even saw the back of a sign for the Presho exit on the new roadway.
I also noticed that in Lawrenceville, PA, they did not bother to designate PA 287 north of PA 49 when it was extended along old US 15. The two blocks between PA 49 and the state line are now part of SR 1015, already assigned to Mechanic Street and other local roads near the borough. Kind of weird, I thought; maybe they liked the number 1015 instead of the 6015 it would normally get (the 6 prefix is used for relocated traffic routes).
any state-named 86 shields?
Quote from: empirestate on June 10, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
Interestingly, it appears from passing by that the ramps at the new Exit 58 have reference markers for "17", not "86I" as you'd expect–they do have 86I on the ramps at Exit 56.
Might have something to do with the way it was paved. While the section from exits 56 to 57 was in an expanded ROW, I believe the section from exits 57 to 58 was in the existing ROW, and the portion from exits 58 to 59 is mostly untouched from before.
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You, or y'all, may also recall there are "99I" reference markers at the north end of US 15. Incidentally I went down to see how the last piece of I-99 in New York is coming, and it certainly is. The southbound bridge over Morgan Creek is pretty well complete, the northbound one slightly less so, but the ones at Watkins Creek are still just girders. The roadbed itself it pretty well along, being substantially complete towards the north end. I even saw the back of a sign for the Presho exit on the new roadway.
For some reason, NYSDOT had the road and bridges done as separate contracts, with the road slated to be completed a whole year before the bridges.
Quote from: vdeane on June 10, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: empirestate on June 10, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
Interestingly, it appears from passing by that the ramps at the new Exit 58 have reference markers for "17", not "86I" as you'd expect–they do have 86I on the ramps at Exit 56.
Might have something to do with the way it was paved. While the section from exits 56 to 57 was in an expanded ROW, I believe the section from exits 57 to 58 was in the existing ROW, and the portion from exits 58 to 59 is mostly untouched from before.
Possibly. I think there was some expansion of the ROW from 57 to 58, but not quite as much.
Quote from: vdeane on June 10, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
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You, or y'all, may also recall there are "99I" reference markers at the north end of US 15. Incidentally I went down to see how the last piece of I-99 in New York is coming, and it certainly is. The southbound bridge over Morgan Creek is pretty well complete, the northbound one slightly less so, but the ones at Watkins Creek are still just girders. The roadbed itself it pretty well along, being substantially complete towards the north end. I even saw the back of a sign for the Presho exit on the new roadway.
For some reason, NYSDOT had the road and bridges done as separate contracts, with the road slated to be completed a whole year before the bridges.
Well, maybe the best bridge guys aren't the same as the best roadway guys. :-)
(Probably has more to do with ensuring that budget shortfalls in one part of the project don't run over into other parts.)
Looks like I-86 was just recently extended from Exit #56 to just shy of the PA State Line on NY-17.
NYSDOT Announces Federal Approval To Designate Portion Of Route 17 As Interstate 86 (https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/press-releases/2013/2013-09-16)
Anybody know if they shields have gone up yet?
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 10, 2013, 11:10:42 PM
Looks like I-86 was just recently extended from Exit #56 to just shy of the PA State Line on NY-17.
NYSDOT Announces Federal Approval To Designate Portion Of Route 17 As Interstate 86 (https://www.dot.ny.gov/news/press-releases/2013/2013-09-16)
Anybody know if they shields have gone up yet?
Scroll up. ;-)
Now, what their coveredness status is at the moment could be anyone's guess.
I don't remember offhand what is lacking about the rest of the stretch between Elmira and Binghamton, but it must be something nit-picky to keep the whole thing from being signed as I-86 since the whole stretch is now limited access four-lane freeway.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 11, 2013, 09:35:18 AM
I don't remember offhand what is lacking about the rest of the stretch between Elmira and Binghamton, but it must be something nit-picky to keep the whole thing from being signed as I-86 since the whole stretch is now limited access four-lane freeway.
I don't either; I feel it was something like horizontal bridge clearances or the occasional shoulder width being too small. Especially in the Endicott area I can picture some sub-standard geometry perhaps, but for the life of me, Tioga County on the whole seems like it should be no problem to upgrade.
Any reason why NYSDOT didn't bother to widen Future I-86 when they rebuilt most of it in Orange County? Given the epic backups I have encountered on that stretch of roadway and its usual congestion, I'm surprised they haven't.
Tioga county has some extremely tight on/off ramps that require lengthened acceleration/deceleration lanes; that project is currently ongoing and will likely finish around the same time as the Binghamton projects.
Also, the designation doesn't quite go to PA... it ends at the Tioga County line. The order is Chemung, Tioga, PA, Tioga.
I drove a lot of NY 17 on Saturday...
I-86 is posted at the US 220 interchange and everywhere westward.
Signs for I-86 are up and mostly still covered from I-84 west to Sullivan County line and also from a point west of the remaining non-freeway portion to at least NY 8 (where I got off).
Interestingly, there are still NY 14 reference markers on the east side of Elmira on I-86/NY 17
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fi86atus220.jpg&hash=fa8d94ef4dd116d22ce4775635ed4dd751c53879)
Mapmikey
I saw "Future 86" twice within about 20 miles. This was east of US 220.
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 14, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
I drove a lot of NY 17 on Saturday...
I-86 is posted at the US 220 interchange and everywhere westward.
I'll go update OSM based on that info. ;) Thanks man.
Quote from: Mapmikey on October 14, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
Signs for I-86 are up and mostly still covered from I-84 west to Sullivan County line and also from a point west of the remaining non-freeway portion to at least NY 8 (where I got off).
That last bit is news to me; so you mean, from around Hancock to at least Deposit there are covered-up shields posted now? I-86 already exists from Windsor to Binghamton as you know.
QuoteInterestingly, there are still NY 14 reference markers on the east side of Elmira on I-86/NY 17
Mm, par for the course. There are still 245 markers on I-390, and I believe the reference markers on I-86 east of Elmira are brand new and still say "17". Usually only in cases of new construction and substantial realignment do you see the marker numbers change. Ultimately, the marker legend identifies a unique point on the state highway system; its identifying functions beyond that are fairly incidental anymore.
Quote from: empirestate on October 15, 2013, 12:50:28 AM
Mm, par for the course. There are still 245 markers on I-390, and I believe the reference markers on I-86 east of Elmira are brand new and still say "17". Usually only in cases of new construction and substantial realignment do you see the marker numbers change. Ultimately, the marker legend identifies a unique point on the state highway system; its identifying functions beyond that are fairly incidental anymore.
I was surprised when the reference markers at the northern end of the US 15 freeway were changed to 99I since that wasn't a realignment or anything. IIRC the guidelines for the reference markers call for not changing the legend if the touring number is changed, since that specific point on the state highway system is inventoried with that information.
reference markers are some of the last things to get updated. there are plenty of 7 and 11 markers for 710 and 110, respectively, in the LA area. there is even a surviving 163 reference marker that is a remnant of the first state route 163: Ave. 29 in Los Angeles.
Not exactly reference markers, but the last time I drove TN 111 between the Kentucky state line and Cookeville, there were still mile markers that referenced TN 42, even though the number had been changed for more than 10 years at the time.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on October 15, 2013, 10:41:46 AM
Quote from: empirestate on October 15, 2013, 12:50:28 AM
Mm, par for the course. There are still 245 markers on I-390, and I believe the reference markers on I-86 east of Elmira are brand new and still say "17". Usually only in cases of new construction and substantial realignment do you see the marker numbers change. Ultimately, the marker legend identifies a unique point on the state highway system; its identifying functions beyond that are fairly incidental anymore.
I was surprised when the reference markers at the northern end of the US 15 freeway were changed to 99I since that wasn't a realignment or anything. IIRC the guidelines for the reference markers call for not changing the legend if the touring number is changed, since that specific point on the state highway system is inventoried with that information.
Some of it was new alignment; are there 99I markers south of, say, Gang Mills? I can't recall.
But of course, there's also the question of individual Regions actually paying attention to and following the state guidelines, and there may be some provisions that are open to different interpretation. So yes, sometimes the number gets changed, but that's more the exception than the rule.
Region 4 changed all of 390's 245 markers to 390I, but region 6 left them alone, so it looks like we don't even have consistency within a region.
I-86 signage is going up throughout Tioga County this week. It's mostly being hidden beneath stencil painted wooden NY-17 shields. What's interesting to note is that the old NY-17 signage is being removed completely, instead of being left on separate posts. It looks like Region 9 might be leading the way in getting rid of the NY-17 designation.
Well, at least for now they would be just making it unsigned. Are they going to get rid of it altogether? If so, what happens to routes like NY 17K and NY 17M? Do they keep their route numbers or do they become NY 86K and NY 86M?
AIUI, the I-81 overlap is still Future I-86. Is this correct?
Quote from: dgolub on November 01, 2013, 08:37:08 AM
do they become NY 86K and NY 86M?
Nope; even if NYSDOT was still doing lettered suffixes, there's already a NY 86 in a different part of the state.
Quote from: Bumppoman on November 01, 2013, 07:47:44 AM
I-86 signage is going up throughout Tioga County this week. It's mostly being hidden beneath stencil painted wooden NY-17 shields. What's interesting to note is that the old NY-17 signage is being removed completely, instead of being left on separate posts. It looks like Region 9 might be leading the way in getting rid of the NY-17 designation.
Newer region 6 installs (outside of the ones east of Elmira) also omit NY 17; as far as region 6 is concerned, NY 17 is dead, they're just too lazy to remove the old signs west of Elmira. No idea what region 5 thinks.