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Title: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 13, 2009, 11:37:25 PM
What remaining super-2s do you know of? Most around here seem to have been widened over the years...

And how many of those have an unused ROW for becoming 4-lanes?

I'll start with VA-171 in Poquoson and York County, VA. It is a 2-lane expressway with several signals, a speed limit of 55, and a passing zone for most of it. It has a 4-lane ROW. (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=q5mtn78mzfvg&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=23562652&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1)
Then there's US-258/VA-10 in Smithfield, VA. It's a 2-lane freeway with a jersey barrier in the median for a short portion, a speed limit of 45, and no at-grade intersections. It only has a visible 4-lane ROW for a very short portion. (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=36.970861,-76.630701&spn=0,359.995172&z=18&layer=c&cbll=36.970924,-76.631988&panoid=BUToi9w2wsIXcNrKYzftSg&cbp=12,291.3332864173231,,0,10.700342184896265)
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 13, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
Is Maryland 90 near Ocean City still a super 2? 

Also, I think US 51 near Tomahawk, WI was at one point, though it may now be upgraded for a future I-39.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: FLRoads on February 13, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
I know the Polk Parkway (TOLL Florida 570) has a super-2 section between Exit 18 (Old Dixie Highway) and Exit 24 (Interstate 4).  Construction to upgrade it to a full four-lane limited access is taking place and should be complete late 2009 or 2010.  The right-of-way is already bought so there will be no issues with acquiring additional land to build it to capacity.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Alex on February 13, 2009, 11:47:57 PM
Three that I originally saw as super twos have since been twinned. They were U.S. 15 on the Gettysburg bypass, U.S. 15 near Tioga Dam, and Pennsylvania 147 south of Interstate 80/180.

A part of the Spaulding Turnpike is still a super-two in New Hampshire, thats all I can think of on short notice.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Bryant5493 on February 13, 2009, 11:48:26 PM
South Fulton Parkway (also signed, on certain portions, as SR 14 Conn., US 29 Alt./SR 14 Alt. and SR 70), just west of its four lane end.

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Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Alex on February 13, 2009, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: DrZoidberg on February 13, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
Is Maryland 90 near Ocean City still a super 2? 

Also, I think US 51 near Tomahawk, WI was at one point, though it may now be upgraded for a future I-39.

Yes Maryland 90 is a super two. It has some at-grade intersections too.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: mapman on February 13, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
A small portion of CA 154 in Santa Barbara, CA is a super-2, right at CA 190.  I think it's the last super-2 in California.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 13, 2009, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: DrZoidberg on February 13, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
Is Maryland 90 near Ocean City still a super 2? 

According to Google Earth it is.

Quote from: mapman on February 13, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
A small portion of CA 154 in Santa Barbara, CA is a super-2, right at CA 190.  I think it's the last super-2 in California.

There's another one... I'm trying to remember what it is... Ahh yes, CA-37, Sears Point Rd. in Vallejo
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Tarkus on February 13, 2009, 11:56:52 PM
I'm trying to remember with Maryland 90--I've been down that road a few times, but it's been at least 10 years, and I remember my cousin and I were too busy giggling at the "Assawoman Bay" sign on the bridge.  (Yes, that's really what it's called.)  

Many of the good Super-2s here in Oregon are actually county roads.  A prime example of this is Ehlen/Yergen/McKay Road in Marion County, which runs between OR-219 south of Newberg to OR-99W in Aurora, with an interchange with I-5 (Exit 278) about halfway through.  Has very wide shoulders, though the rail crossing near I-5 is a little . . . interesting, to say the least.  It also, curiously, has functioning Weigh Stations.

-Alex (Tarkus)
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Greybear on February 13, 2009, 11:58:00 PM
US 167 around the east side of El Dorado, AR is a Super-2 from AR-7 to US 82.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: mightyace on February 14, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
According to the official 2007 PA map, the US 220 bypass around Towanda is still a super 2.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: corco on February 14, 2009, 01:27:28 AM
In Washington State:

US-101 from the SR 3 junction to just south of SR 102 in Shelton, and then US-101 again in the Sequim area.

I think the Shelton one has unused ROW

I don't know of any in Wyoming or Idaho
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Voyager on February 14, 2009, 01:29:11 AM
Quote from: corco on February 14, 2009, 01:27:28 AM
In Washington State:

US-101 from the SR 3 junction to just south of SR 102 in Shelton, and then US-101 again in the Sequim area.

I think the Shelton one has unused ROW

I don't know of any in Wyoming or Idaho

101 is only 2 there?
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: corco on February 14, 2009, 01:30:00 AM
Yep

101 goes from 4 lane expressway to fully controlled access super-2 at the SR 3 junction
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Voyager on February 14, 2009, 01:31:10 AM
That's in the Port Angeles area, right?
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: corco on February 14, 2009, 01:33:04 AM
The Shelton one is down south by Olympia.

The Sequim one is definitely a super-2 and is near Port Angeles. If you're heading west on 101 from Sequim to port Angeles it goes:

east of Sequim- 2 lanes
Sequim- Super 2
west of Sequim- 2 lanes
Port Angeles- 4 lane no control
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: corco on February 14, 2009, 01:35:00 AM
Actually that's not true. It goes straight from Super 2 to four lane no control
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Voyager on February 14, 2009, 02:04:00 AM
Wasn't it planned to be extended?
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Sykotyk on February 14, 2009, 05:51:55 AM
RI 78 and US 7 in Vermont are both Super 2s that I've driven.

Parts of MA 2 west of 220 is as well.

US 36 and a few other roads in Kansas are listed as a Super 2.

So is a Kentucky parkway whose name escapes me.

Sykotyk
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: exit322 on February 14, 2009, 08:05:34 AM
The Daniel Boone (Hal Rogers) is a Super 2, and the east half of the Mountain Parkway in KY is a Super 2 (though I think the MP has a couple at-grade-ish intersections in its Super 2 time).
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: John on February 14, 2009, 09:18:22 AM
US-12 west of Helena is a Super-2, although it does have some turn offs here and there.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Alex on February 14, 2009, 11:39:42 AM
The planned U.S. 301 toll road (http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/us301/index.shtml) around Middletown, Delaware will have a super two spur northward to the Summit Bridge.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: PAHighways on February 14, 2009, 02:12:40 PM
US 220 between Business US 220 and the Bedford (Business US 30) interchange.  The Towanda Bypass (US 220) and McConnellsburg Bypass (US 30) are two lane but not built on four lane ROWs.  The latter does widen to four lanes at the US 522 interchange.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: vdeane on February 14, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
US 6 between MA 134 and MA 6A is a super-2.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: SSOWorld on February 14, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
US 20 in IL has some of that.  Between Freeport and Rockford
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Michael on February 14, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
In Central New York:

True Super-Tows:

Possible Super-Twos:

EDIT: I forgot US 15 in portions of MD and VA.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Revive 755 on February 15, 2009, 02:37:52 AM
US 50 in Illinois between Lebanon and Carlyle is a mix of Super-2 and brief four lane sections, with some at grade intersections, unused bridges, and extra ROW.  I think there is also a brief interchange free Super-2 section between IL 1 and the four lane section leading into Indiana

MO 79 has a Super-2 bypass of Old Monroe, with grading at the Rte C interchange for future NB lanes.

US 54 in Missouri appears to have a Super-2 section on its bypass of Bowling Green (with some grading for future WB lanes and a full cloverleaf at US 61).  It almost has a full Super-2 bypass of Mexico, but there appears to be a driveway for lake access.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: ctsignguy on February 15, 2009, 10:05:27 AM
i know of one stretch in Ohio....

US 33 south of Athens...there is a 10 mile stretch of highway between divided stretches of 33 just southeast of Athens that starts a mile or so after the US 50 West interchange....with but three intersections, a few bridges, and NO other access to the road
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: TheStranger on February 16, 2009, 03:09:07 AM
Looking at Google Maps, the Thousand Islands Parkway in Ontario (a former routing of Highway 401) uses only one two-lane carraigeway of a divided four-lane highway (the original westbound lanes were put into disuse when 401 was shifted to a new alignment to the north).  In Gananoque, there is an exit for old Highway 2, but this segment does use both carriageways, before reverting to the old eastbound lanes for the rest of the route.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: bugo on February 16, 2009, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 15, 2009, 02:37:52 AM

MO 79 has a Super-2 bypass of Old Monroe, with grading at the Rte C interchange for future NB lanes.

US 54 in Missouri appears to have a Super-2 section on its bypass of Bowling Green (with some grading for future WB lanes and a full cloverleaf at US 61).  It almost has a full Super-2 bypass of Mexico, but there appears to be a driveway for lake access.

Another Missouri super-2 is US 65 through Warsaw. 

AR 530 is a pseudo-super-2.  It is eventually going to be an Interstate, likely an I-530 extension (the "I-69 Connector").  It was constructed as a super 2, but both ends are currently at-grade intersections.  No access in between the 2 intersections, however.

A short portion of the Gilcrease Expressway in Tulsa is the same way, with at-grades at the ends but no access in between.


Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Michael on February 16, 2009, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: froggie on February 14, 2009, 05:42:31 PM
QuoteNY 414 (from I-90 to Seneca Falls)
Portions of NY 370

NY 414 is definitely not a Super-2.  Not sure which "portions of NY 370" you're referring to.  If you're referring to the part along the Onondaga Lake Pkwy, you've got some parking lot access along the westbound side.

NY 370 west of Cato.  I'm not sure if it's a true super-two or just a very wide ROW.  I was wondering the same thing with NY 414.

Quote from: froggie on February 14, 2009, 05:42:31 PM
QuoteEDIT: I forgot US 15 in portions of MD and VA.
Maryland, yes.  Virginia, no.

I've only been on that portion of US 15 once, and I couldn't remember where the super-two portions were.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 08, 2009, 10:07:05 PM
I believe that VA 105 is somewhat a super-2 between VA 143 and US 17.  However, I also believe that its supposed to be widened in the somewhat near future.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: deathtopumpkins on March 08, 2009, 10:28:53 PM
Ahh... Fort Useless Blvd. It is 2-lanes, but it has intersections on it. And that's good that they're gonna widen it... It could use it from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: Stephane Dumas on March 09, 2009, 09:48:55 AM
new recently opened gaps of A-50 between Buckgimham and Thurso as well as between Lachute and Grenville are super-2. A-55 still have a super-2 gap between Laviolette bridge and A-20
Title: Re: Super-2s/Unused 4-lane ROWs
Post by: deathtopumpkins on March 09, 2009, 07:55:01 PM
Quote from: froggie on March 09, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
VA 105 is a limited-access right-of-way (limited-access does not mean interchanges-only).

Well only because it mostly goes through the middle of the woods so there's nothing but trees anyway.  :-P