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Title: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Mr. Matté on December 08, 2010, 02:29:23 PM
More silly re-namings on their way: The Queensboro/59th Street Bridge will become the Koch Bridge and the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel will become the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/nyregion/08koch.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=bridge&st=cse
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: papaT10932 on December 08, 2010, 06:39:22 PM
This news is utterly devastating   :-(
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: mightyace on December 08, 2010, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on December 08, 2010, 02:29:23 PM
and the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel will become the Hugh Carey Tunnel.

Now, if they were renaming it the Drew Carey Tunnel, that would be another story.  :sombrero:
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: NE2 on December 08, 2010, 07:42:16 PM
I guess they were able to resist naming the Willy B after Cock Koch :)
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Dougtone on December 08, 2010, 08:41:37 PM
While I'll argue that Ed Koch and Hugh Carey did more for New York City and New York State than Robert F. Kennedy did, I also think that none of these guys are necessarily worthy of having a bridge or tunnel named after them.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: nyratk1 on December 08, 2010, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: Dougtone on December 08, 2010, 08:41:37 PM
While I'll argue that Ed Koch and Hugh Carey did more for New York City and New York State than Robert F. Kennedy did, I also think that none of these guys are necessarily worthy of having a bridge or tunnel named after them.

Meh, everything will be renamed after Giuliani and Bloomberg in 30 years :(
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Duke87 on December 08, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
Politicians have a fetish for randomly renaming shit after people. It's a simple fact of life. Fortunately, the general populace tends to ignore it.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on December 08, 2010, 10:46:32 PM
I'd also like to point something

ED KOCH IS NOT DEAD.

That is all.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: SidS1045 on December 08, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
Neither is Hugh Carey.

Two more names New Yorkers will never use for these structures.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Michael in Philly on December 09, 2010, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 08, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
Neither is Hugh Carey.

Two more names New Yorkers will never use for these structures.

I don't know; my last few trips to North Jersey (where I grew up) I heard plenty of traffic reporters talk about "the RFK."  One added parenthetically that that's the Triborough.  Personally, I'm renaming-averse, perhaps because I'm change-averse in general.  It (renaming, as opposed to change) should be done very sparingly.  RFK I'll accept, like JFK and Martin Luther King - being assassinated helps.  Carey and Koch, not so much.  (If either of them did anything in particular for the bridge and tunnel in question, that might justify it.  After they're dead.)
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: papaT10932 on December 09, 2010, 08:38:47 AM
With unemployment the way it is, it's hard to believe that new construction projects are not being implemented to boost the economy. I would have no problem if a NEW bridge was built and named after Ed Koch or Robert Kennedy. But, to swoop in and rename famous landmarks, which much of the populace holds dear, after gasbag politicians.. THAT I have a problem with.  :angry:

Also, from now on, everyone is going to refer to it as the "Crotch Bridge". Just wait and see.  :meh:
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: SteveG1988 on December 09, 2010, 09:59:02 AM
Its up there with the Newark Bay Bridge, it was that name for almost 40 years, and now it is the "Vincent R. Casciano Memorial Bridge"

One i would like to see renamed, due to the mans acomplishments, is the bayonne bridge. I think it would be fitting to name it after Othmar Ammann, its designer.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on December 09, 2010, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on December 09, 2010, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 08, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
Neither is Hugh Carey.

Two more names New Yorkers will never use for these structures.

I don't know; my last few trips to North Jersey (where I grew up) I heard plenty of traffic reporters talk about "the RFK."  One added parenthetically that that's the Triborough.  Personally, I'm renaming-averse, perhaps because I'm change-averse in general.  It (renaming, as opposed to change) should be done very sparingly.  RFK I'll accept, like JFK and Martin Luther King - being assassinated helps.  Carey and Koch, not so much.  (If either of them did anything in particular for the bridge and tunnel in question, that might justify it.  After they're dead.)

Its pretend. Very pretend. The Korean War...er...Richmond Parkway is a good example. NO ONE CALLS IT THE KOREAN WAR VETS PARKWAY. :|
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: SteveG1988 on December 09, 2010, 10:31:04 AM
and nobody calls the PA Turnpike Extension the pearl harbor memorial extension.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: mightyace on December 09, 2010, 12:53:51 PM
^^^

I think he's referring to the NJ Turnpike spur that connects with the PA Turnpike (future I-95) and not the PA Turnpike Northeast Extension (I-476).
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on December 09, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: mightyace on December 09, 2010, 12:53:51 PM
^^^

I think he's referring to the NJ Turnpike spur that connects with the PA Turnpike (future I-95) and not the PA Turnpike Northeast Extension (I-476).
Yep.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 09, 2010, 04:49:51 PM
I hope then that idea won't spead to other cities, just imagine if the Ambassador bridge was renamed the Coleman A. Young bridge   :-o :crazy:
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: mightyace on December 09, 2010, 05:14:39 PM
^^^

That would likely be renamed the Matty Moroun Bridge. :sombrero: :)
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Quillz on December 09, 2010, 05:42:29 PM
What if they renamed the Golden Gate Bridge the Barry Bonds Bridge and the Bay Bridge became the Al Davis Bridge?
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Alps on December 09, 2010, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on December 09, 2010, 09:59:02 AM
Its up there with the Newark Bay Bridge, it was that name for almost 40 years, and now it is the "Vincent R. Casciano Memorial Bridge"

One i would like to see renamed, due to the mans acomplishments, is the bayonne bridge. I think it would be fitting to name it after Othmar Ammann, its designer.
Outerbridge and Goethals got theirs, I'd definitely take your side.  (Fun fact: Holland Tunnel is unrelated to New Amsterdam/New Holland in any way.)
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Alps on December 09, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Quillz on December 09, 2010, 05:42:29 PM
What if they renamed the Golden Gate Bridge the Barry Bonds Bridge and the Bay Bridge became the Al Davis Bridge?
Golden Gate Bridge would have 6 extra lanes for about ten years.  No one would be sure why, but they wouldn't question it.  Then suddenly the bridge would start falling apart and cost millions to maintain.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 09, 2010, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on December 09, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
Golden Gate Bridge would have 6 extra lanes for about ten years.  No one would be sure why, but they wouldn't question it.  Then suddenly the bridge would start falling apart and cost millions to maintain.

after several years of falling apart, it would be moderately serviceable, and available for use, and absolutely no one would use it

then it would fall into the bay and no one would ever speak of it again, and it would not be even considered for the National Registry of Historic Bridges.
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on December 09, 2010, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on December 09, 2010, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on December 09, 2010, 09:59:02 AM
Its up there with the Newark Bay Bridge, it was that name for almost 40 years, and now it is the "Vincent R. Casciano Memorial Bridge"

One i would like to see renamed, due to the mans acomplishments, is the bayonne bridge. I think it would be fitting to name it after Othmar Ammann, its designer.
Outerbridge and Goethals got theirs, I'd definitely take your side.  (Fun fact: Holland Tunnel is unrelated to New Amsterdam/New Holland in any way.)

Least the Outerbridge was named after a person (Outerbridge was a person).
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: NE2 on December 09, 2010, 10:22:42 PM
And Goethals and Holland were what? Dogs?
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: SidS1045 on December 09, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on December 09, 2010, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 08, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
Neither is Hugh Carey.

Two more names New Yorkers will never use for these structures.

I don't know; my last few trips to North Jersey (where I grew up) I heard plenty of traffic reporters talk about "the RFK."  One added parenthetically that that's the Triborough.  Personally, I'm renaming-averse, perhaps because I'm change-averse in general.  It (renaming, as opposed to change) should be done very sparingly.  RFK I'll accept, like JFK and Martin Luther King - being assassinated helps.  Carey and Koch, not so much.  (If either of them did anything in particular for the bridge and tunnel in question, that might justify it.  After they're dead.)

New Yorkers still don't accept "Avenue of the Americas," and it's been under that official name for 65 years.  At some point a few years back, the city acquiesced to the common usage and dual-signed most of the intersections as "Avenue of the Americas" and "6 Av."
Title: Re: More NYC bridge and tunnel renamings
Post by: SidS1045 on December 09, 2010, 10:32:00 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 09, 2010, 10:22:42 PM
And Goethals and Holland were what? Dogs?

Major General George Washington Goethals supervised the construction of the Panama Canal and was the first consulting engineer of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

Clifford Holland was the first chief engineer of the tunnel project (initially called the Hudson River Vehicular Tunnel), and after his death at age 41 while the construction was still under way, the state legislatures in NY and NJ agreed to name the tunnel after him.