Try to find a 1971 spec SLIPPERY WHEN WET symbol sign posted on the road. Post pic if you can find one.
I haven't seen one of these in years.
Note: The 1971 spec has the car symbol not level.
Example:http://www.andrew-turnbull.net/signs/slipperywhenwet2.png (http://www.andrew-turnbull.net/signs/slipperywhenwet2.png)
Not mine but pretty cool. (https://files.me.com/parndt/vw66ee)
I haven't seen that style before but I guess the feds like changing the sign for no reason. They decreased the size of the car in the 2003 version of the sign. :rolleyes:
How about a text "Merging Traffic" sign?
How about a New England Interstate route sign?
Quote from: doofy103 on December 31, 2010, 03:55:51 AM
How about a text "Merging Traffic" sign?
I don't have a photograph, but I'm pretty sure there's one exiting the NB NJ Turnpike at Exit 9; Street View, albeit blurry, sorta confirms my suspicion (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.476432,-74.404521&spn=0.007533,0.013078&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.476406,-74.404648&panoid=Xuf_mqtaGYmqZKPGGHPW5Q&cbp=12,109.23,,0,5).
I'd love to see if anyone can find an original Massachusetts Turnpike trailblazer with the arrow through the pilgrim hat or a state named NH I-193 shield posted in the field.
An original black and white New York cut-out shield for a state highway. There are green cut-outs for the New York State Bridge Authority bridges still out there (ex, intersection of Fairview Avenue and Columbia Street in Hudson, NY, complete with right arrow for the Rip Van Winkle Bridge).
A Wisconsin "State Forest Road" trailblazer. (HINT: CTH)
A Button Copy sign within the state of Wyoming.
Go go go
Quote from: corco on December 31, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
A Button Copy sign within the state of Wyoming.
Go go go
I can say the same for Delaware and Virginia :P
Quote from: xcellntbuy on December 31, 2010, 02:31:20 PM
An original black and white New York cut-out shield for a state highway. There are green cut-outs for the New York State Bridge Authority bridges still out there (ex, intersection of Fairview Avenue and Columbia Street in Hudson, NY, complete with right arrow for the Rip Van Winkle Bridge).
ok, here you go....
embossed...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fny42.jpg&hash=16dd070268810d4225edf8be00f0435f82e7ccc8)
and flats
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fny12e.jpg&hash=d2c20311fad4bfca78a3db380b74483ab00b4dc6)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fny28.jpg&hash=41f8e4a6947ec3549bffa52ae25ee172685ddb97)
ask and ye shall recieve
My, my. It has been a very long time since I ever saw one of those old New York cut-out shields. The last time I remember seeing them on the highway was back in the late 1960s at the intersection of NY 23, 23B and 9G in the Town of Greenport just east of the Rip Van Winkle Bridge. When NY 9G and 23B were substantially rebuilt into Hudson more than 40 years ago, those cut-outs were removed. The Albany area used to have some old cut-outs, usually attached to telephone poles on routes like NY 32 (Broadway), NY 43 (now NY 443) when it traveled over the old Dunn Memorial Bridge, possibly NY 9J in Rensselaer, as well.
Wonderful old signs to keep. :nod:
I vote for a Detour sign where the arrow is white instead of orange.
Quote from: corco on December 31, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
A Button Copy sign within the state of Wyoming.
Go go go
Same for Michigan.
I really like those New York cutout shields, probably my favorite state route shield overall.
I came across some 1961 neutered Interstate shields in the shield generator and am curious if someone could find one somewhere. Even better, an error shield that uses the wide (3di) shield for a 2di.
1961 spec neutered interstate shield:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh4.ggpht.com%2F_ZkmN2RrOJxw%2FS8vA4sUaHEI%2FAAAAAAAAafU%2FzxTOF4TNCy0%2Fs640%2FIMG_5783.JPG&hash=b0a448d642c0858d1e6ccb38c2348aa32231b498)
2di inside a 3di shield (though this really isn't an error, as the 95 shield covers a 495 shield):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.ggpht.com%2F_ZkmN2RrOJxw%2FSqCYU1ITrrI%2FAAAAAAAAN2I%2FEOeE0s8Xu-g%2Fs640%2FIMG_9666.JPG&hash=144efa56b7041347dfa08d68e85b7e16456b6aef)
Quote from: Quillz on December 31, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
I really like those New York cutout shields, probably my favorite state route shield overall.
I came across some 1961 neutered Interstate shields in the shield generator and am curious if someone could find one somewhere. Even better, an error shield that uses the wide (3di) shield for a 2di.
Oh, you mean a 'cute shield'?
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fi-91vt1.jpg&hash=55bbc3cbb7b3addc8eb765ee3f35b549811c84e6)
Yeah, that's what I was looking for. Have you also come across a neutered "cute" shield?
Quote from: PennDOTFan on December 31, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
I'd love to see if anyone can find an original Massachusetts Turnpike trailblazer with the arrow through the pilgrim hat or a state named NH I-193 shield posted in the field.
You mean like one of these? (sign courtesy of the legendary Michael Summa's collection)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2FNE%2520Vacation%252010-09%2FDSCF0008.jpg&hash=e29779f53d99eb01e135a171af3838180e68ccea)
Quote from: Quillz on December 31, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
Even better, an error shield that uses the wide (3di) shield for a 2di.
For a long while, it was standard practice in Texas to use 3di shields for 2-digit interstates and 2di shields for 3-digit interstates on BGSs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/texas/texas030/i-030_eb_exit_044b_05.jpg)
(AARoads)
Quote from: ctsignguy on January 02, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
You mean like one of these? (sign courtesy of the legendary Michael Summa's collection)
Yes, that one! Now if we can only find an example of one in the field (whether it's an old photo or new).
Quote from: Master son on December 31, 2010, 03:36:30 PM
A Wisconsin "State Forest Road" trailblazer. (HINT: CTH)
closest thing I've got to one:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/WI/WI19560671i1.jpg)
Quote from: Quillz on December 31, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
I came across some 1961 neutered Interstate shields in the shield generator and am curious if someone could find one somewhere.
remember, there are two specs of 1961 neutered. One (the MUTCD) is like '57 spec except with 10" numbers. same crown height.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/ID/ID19830861i1.jpg)
and there are also those with a slightly shorter crown:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/ID/ID19830901i1.jpg)
the Penna I-95 seems 1957. It's sometimes quite tough to tell.
those two were Idahos. Here is a Minn.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MN/MN19610351i1.jpg)
here is one from California, who had the "slightly shorter crown" style as early as 1958
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/CA/CA19580151i2.jpg)
I believe the 15 is 36x36 and the 40 is 40x36 (!). Yep, CA had some pretty unusual aspect ratios going before they standardized on federal shields by 1962. The other spec I have is a three-digit marker that is 48x40 (!!), which is what gave rise to the 30x25 federal standard of 1961.
all those shields were intended to be used on green signs. Pole-mounted applications are technically in error.
That is old signs, agentsteel53!
Quotethose two were Iowas
:ded:
Back in Idaho, a road enthusiast is saddened
oops.
Iowa has the good sense to use state-named '61 spec shields, though.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on January 02, 2011, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: ctsignguy on January 02, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
You mean like one of these? (sign courtesy of the legendary Michael Summa's collection)
Yes, that one! Now if we can only find an example of one in the field (whether it's an old photo or new).
Only one i found was in the Gallery
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=MA19880951
that's not '61 spec though - doesn't count!
Quote from: PennDOTFan on December 31, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: corco on December 31, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
A Button Copy sign within the state of Wyoming.
Go go go
I can say the same for Delaware and Virginia :P
Here you go. ;)
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.253517,-81.117575&spn=0.006285,0.013937&z=17&layer=c&cbll=37.253738,-81.117711&panoid=JS0ghKWSpTKjQ9pzXLD1xA&cbp=12,344.67,,1,-2.27
Too bad it's from WVDOT, but it is posted in VA. ;)
Here is a neutered 3di shield (the one on the leftmost sign):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.ggpht.com%2F_AXtC_YsMww4%2FTSCx82ePNGI%2FAAAAAAAAAiI%2F4PDeXqE6lW8%2Fs912%2FSAM_0274.JPG&hash=4cb9d57c4f8ab8b06b96289218df079649a18b61)
And a neutered 2di shield:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.ggpht.com%2F_AXtC_YsMww4%2FTSCx52yXCoI%2FAAAAAAAAAiA%2FZfzlysYBlGA%2Fs800%2FSAM_0272.JPG&hash=4453efdde2cf83482a70345e467c338a2fad7e9a)
Is that 3di shield using Series D or something thicker? It really should be Series C, would look much better.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 03, 2011, 11:36:24 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on December 31, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: corco on December 31, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
A Button Copy sign within the state of Wyoming.
Go go go
I can say the same for Delaware and Virginia :P
Here you go. ;)
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.253517,-81.117575&spn=0.006285,0.013937&z=17&layer=c&cbll=37.253738,-81.117711&panoid=JS0ghKWSpTKjQ9pzXLD1xA&cbp=12,344.67,,1,-2.27
Too bad it's from WVDOT, but it is posted in VA. ;)
Now try finding one installed by Virginia :P
Quote from: Quillz on January 04, 2011, 07:55:44 PM
Is that 3di shield using Series D or something thicker? It really should be Series C, would look much better.
Series F.
Louisiana is also super tough to find button copy. the only sign I know of is a black (!) guide sign pointing to the Superdome.
also, Mississippi - none in that state as far as I know.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 05, 2011, 07:52:09 PM
the only sign I know of is a black (!) guide sign pointing to the Superdome.
Black guide signs are also super tough to find anywhere! Prior to 1971, black was the standard color for guide signs on non-Interstate highways. Also before 1971, white was the color to use to separate two-way traffic.
Am I the only one who thinks that black guide signs on freeways is the way to go? Seems like it would be more legible than the current green signs.
Quote from: Quillz on January 04, 2011, 07:55:44 PM
Is that 3di shield using Series D or something thicker? It really should be Series C, would look much better.
If you're referring to the I-475 sign, I don't know the specifics, but I can tell you that is EXACTLY how some of the original I-475 signs looked like on some of the overhead BGSs of the I-475 stretch between I-75 and US-23 on the north end of Toledo, for what it's worth.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 03, 2011, 11:36:24 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on December 31, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: corco on December 31, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
A Button Copy sign within the state of Wyoming.
Go go go
I can say the same for Delaware and Virginia :P
Here you go. ;)
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.253517,-81.117575&spn=0.006285,0.013937&z=17&layer=c&cbll=37.253738,-81.117711&panoid=JS0ghKWSpTKjQ9pzXLD1xA&cbp=12,344.67,,1,-2.27
Too bad it's from WVDOT, but it is posted in VA. ;)
But is that
really a DOT-installed sign? Usually, there are private contractors that install & maintain the blue service/logo signs (since they make money off of the businesses that wish to "advertise" their location directly on the freeway signage (toll roads are usually done by the toll commissions themselves) -- they just have to follow the respective states' sign specs for BGS installations.
Quote from: Quillz on January 05, 2011, 08:14:36 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that black guide signs on freeways is the way to go? Seems like it would be more legible than the current green signs.
FHWA did a study around the beginning of the Interstate System that had motorists drive down a stretch of test road (it may have been an unopened Interstate) with signs done up in green, blue, and black, and they were asked to vote on the color of the signs at the end of the track. Green got the most, then blue, then black brought up the rear.
I'm just kind of surprised, is all. I thought white against black would be the most visible color scheme. Apparently not.
Well, I have found a one-way road where the left solid line is white! http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=41.656585,-83.511114&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.656693,-83.511026&panoid=ZeH6g1Utg76DXudABxlK3Q&cbp=12,63.07,,0,24.75 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=41.656585,-83.511114&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.656693,-83.511026&panoid=ZeH6g1Utg76DXudABxlK3Q&cbp=12,63.07,,0,24.75)
Looking through the Shield Gallery, I found what's probably my favorite Interstate shield ever:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.picdrop.net%2Fuploads%2FVA19580641i1.jpg&hash=4e77ca6245857367af9cc117c779d3c46360de7e) (http://"http://www.picdrop.net/pictures/VA19580641i1.jpg")
This is a wide, 1961 shield. The best shield, in my opinion. Has a good width, the numerals are well proportioned and it has a nice, thick white border. I also like the same shield neutered, which some of my more recent Interstate shield concepts are based on.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 05, 2011, 07:52:09 PM
Louisiana is also super tough to find button copy. the only sign I know of is a black (!) guide sign pointing to the Superdome.
I've seen some "Connecticut-style" button copy guide signs in Louisiana, plus my wife took a few photos of some during a couple of jaunts across I-10 in the last few years.
Found a text "Pavement Ends" sign. This one is 1948-spec.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.137139,-83.402367&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.137134,-83.402515&panoid=wS2IKb7EfQaXjdBmNy_Vdw&cbp=12,305.26,,0,-8.59 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.137139,-83.402367&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.137134,-83.402515&panoid=wS2IKb7EfQaXjdBmNy_Vdw&cbp=12,305.26,,0,-8.59)
Quote from: PennDOTFan on December 31, 2010, 11:49:18 PM2di inside a 3di shield (though this really isn't an error, as the 95 shield covers a 495 shield):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.ggpht.com%2F_ZkmN2RrOJxw%2FSqCYU1ITrrI%2FAAAAAAAAN2I%2FEOeE0s8Xu-g%2Fs640%2FIMG_9666.JPG&hash=144efa56b7041347dfa08d68e85b7e16456b6aef)
There is, however, a genuine goofy 3di-width I-95 shield, on the southbound Turnpike just after the Kennebunk service area -- the part of the Turnpike that's always been I-95. Near the ME35 overpass IIRC.
I doubt I have a photo of it to post, and if I did, there's no obvious place to start looking...
There is also this at I-95/Maine Turnpike exit 32 in Biddeford:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Biddeford,+ME&aq=0&sll=37.09024,-95.712891&sspn=33.489543,78.662109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Biddeford,+York,+Maine&ll=43.47955,-70.497851&spn=0,0.019205&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.479505,-70.497948&panoid=NYGXTS3c_BnAtnygs05JkA&cbp=12,344.62,,0,2.99
This section has also always been I-95.
Whoa, wait...Montreal, PQ, as a control city for I-95??? The heck is that all about?
'The Hell? At that point you're already WAY East of Montreal, and only getting farther.
Actually, there's a sign for Quebec, PQ, further north on I-95, at the US 201 interchange in Skowhegan, north of Portland...actually north of Augusta.
Quote from: OracleUsr on February 06, 2011, 12:14:43 AM
Whoa, wait...Montreal, PQ, as a control city for I-95??? The heck is that all about?
Presumably one of the exits on I-95 is signed for Montreal, though I can't figure out which one.
Quebec city makes more sense than Montreal as a control city there, especially for US-201, which heads straight there. US-201 is signed all the way from Quebec City along A-73 and QC-173.
Has anyone in New Zealand come across a road sign using Series A type?
Quote from: MDOTFanFB on January 07, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
Found a text "Pavement Ends" sign. This one is 1948-spec.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.137139,-83.402367&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.137134,-83.402515&panoid=wS2IKb7EfQaXjdBmNy_Vdw&cbp=12,305.26,,0,-8.59 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.137139,-83.402367&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.137134,-83.402515&panoid=wS2IKb7EfQaXjdBmNy_Vdw&cbp=12,305.26,,0,-8.59)
Most, if not all, Pavement Ends signs are still text where I am from.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 02, 2011, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: MDOTFanFB on January 07, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
Found a text "Pavement Ends" sign. This one is 1948-spec.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.137139,-83.402367&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.137134,-83.402515&panoid=wS2IKb7EfQaXjdBmNy_Vdw&cbp=12,305.26,,0,-8.59 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.137139,-83.402367&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.137134,-83.402515&panoid=wS2IKb7EfQaXjdBmNy_Vdw&cbp=12,305.26,,0,-8.59)
Most, if not all, Pavement Ends signs are still text where I am from.
Pavement Ends is a text-only sign today. There was a symbol sign for a short time, but it was not well understood and removed from the MUTCD.