http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.494568,-83.117216&spn=0,0.02738&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.494567,-83.116979&panoid=XRekyhb08emkL0mePyFC2A&cbp=12,224.3,,1,-6.72 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.494568,-83.117216&spn=0,0.02738&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.494567,-83.116979&panoid=XRekyhb08emkL0mePyFC2A&cbp=12,224.3,,1,-6.72)
The Google car happened to pass by during the brief time both of these signs existed. The older sign is to the right, while the new (Clearview :banghead: ) sign is to the left. This is at I-75 at exit 62 in Royal Oak, MI.
Post any other pictures you may have that have both old and new signs within the same pic.
I actually encountered this yesterday in Davis County (bear in mind that the two are only five or so years apart in age):
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I also had someone send me photos of new and old signs for the KY 418 exit on I-75 in Fayette County.
Not a new sign, but Google finally updated their map data late last year to show the new alignment of US 15 from Tioga, PA to Watson Creek Road (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=41.96868,-77.101707&spn=0.136822,0.338173&t=h&z=12). The aerial imagery still shows the old alignment. The most recent NYSGIS aerial imagery (which Google uses) from that area is from 2007.
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I also had someone send me photos of new and old signs for the KY 418 exit on I-75 in Fayette County.
A peeve: does that "south" apply to both Ky. 1958 and Truck Ky. 627 or only the latter? And if the sign on the gantry is the newer one, they've made it worse.
They used to have limitations like that sit above the shield(s) they applied to, even if that entailed repeating them, unless there was only one route shield on the sign.
Does an older exit tab with the new sign count? I know I've seen worse with VDOT but I don't have any photos of those. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi622.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt304%2F24DIDNOTWIN%2FI-95SOUTH25MILESNORTHOFWASHINGTONSTANDWYTHESTEXIT52.jpg&hash=6f38766d8f77c7019e04a405b9ed77d6629cc7d5)
Quote from: 74/171FAN on January 30, 2011, 11:57:11 AM
Does an older exit tab with the new sign count? I know I've seen worse with VDOT but I don't have any photos of those. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi622.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt304%2F24DIDNOTWIN%2FI-95SOUTH25MILESNORTHOFWASHINGTONSTANDWYTHESTEXIT52.jpg&hash=6f38766d8f77c7019e04a405b9ed77d6629cc7d5)
What were they thinking? That Clearview sign is lit at night even though it's reflective? (facepalm)
Old and New?
Does this count? ;)
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Quote from: MDOTFanFB on January 30, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
What were they thinking? That Clearview sign is lit at night even though it's reflective? (facepalm)
Utah does that with ALL its (1990s and newer) overhead signs in Salt Lake City, although the lights point downward instead of upward. I think it's actually a nice touch - you have the reflectivity there in case the lights don't turn on, and the lights help make the signs stand out.
Here's one from I-490 reconstruction:
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Quote from: MDOTFanFB on January 30, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
What were they thinking? That Clearview sign is lit at night even though it's reflective? (facepalm)
VDOT reuses old overhead gantries, so it tends not to remove the lights. Not all of them are lit.
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The silly part about the new signs is that they bothered to put "I-278 east to I-95 north" instead of just "I-95 north". I mean yes, technically, there is still some mainline left to 278 here, but it merges into 95 half a mile ahead, with no other options along the way. Yay for pointless clutter to make things technically correct?
The sillier part of this particular assembly is that both of those gantires coexisted for months.
Hmmm
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Why not put the control cities on the new sign? BOOOOO!!!!! :thumbdown: :verymad:
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The silly part about the new signs is that they bothered to put "I-278 east to I-95 north" instead of just "I-95 north". I mean yes, technically, there is still some mainline left to 278 here, but it merges into 95 half a mile ahead, with no other options along the way. Yay for pointless clutter to make things technically correct?
The sillier part of this particular assembly is that both of those gantires coexisted for months.
Anyone else notice the change in control points from a region (New England) to a city (New Haven, CT)? :hmm:
Does this count? http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.336873,-83.038766&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.336104,-83.038241&panoid=H5Fl_9xuVUr1_7bGmdYC3Q&cbp=12,156.67,,0,1.9 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.336873,-83.038766&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.336104,-83.038241&panoid=H5Fl_9xuVUr1_7bGmdYC3Q&cbp=12,156.67,,0,1.9)
Quote from: Michael in Philly on January 30, 2011, 09:46:17 AM
A peeve: does that "south" apply to both Ky. 1958 and Truck Ky. 627 or only the latter? And if the sign on the gantry is the newer one, they've made it worse.
They used to have limitations like that sit above the shield(s) they applied to, even if that entailed repeating them, unless there was only one route shield on the sign.
The ground-mounted sign was installed circa 1997. It originally had only KY 1958 and the route marker was centered. The Truck KY 627 south was added as an afterthought. The Clearview sign was installed as part of the I-64 widening a few years ago.
Truck KY 627 is routed along I-64 from Exit 96 to Exit 94, then along KY 1958 back to 627 on the south side of town. So technically the "South" applies only to Truck 627, although technically KY 1958 exists north of I-64 for only a few hundred feet so it could apply to both routes and be essentially correct.
Quote from: Duke87 on January 30, 2011, 04:22:04 PM
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Have they fixed the exit numbers on I-278 and I-95 yet, or are they still a mix of old (mile-based, at least on I-95) and new (sequential)?
Quote from: US71 on January 30, 2011, 05:45:50 PM
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Is that a '61 spec US-65 shield? It looks really nice compared to the other bloated monstrosities.
Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2011, 12:03:28 AM
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Have they fixed the exit numbers on I-278 and I-95 yet, or are they still a mix of old (mile-based, at least on I-95) and new (sequential)?
I-95 and 278, no sadly.
Quote from: MDOTFanFB on January 30, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Does this count? http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.336873,-83.038766&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.336104,-83.038241&panoid=H5Fl_9xuVUr1_7bGmdYC3Q&cbp=12,156.67,,0,1.9 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=42.336873,-83.038766&spn=0,0.01369&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.336104,-83.038241&panoid=H5Fl_9xuVUr1_7bGmdYC3Q&cbp=12,156.67,,0,1.9)
You should know, you started the thread :pan:
Quote from: cjk374 on January 30, 2011, 07:14:31 PM
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Why not put the control cities on the new sign? BOOOOO!!!!! :thumbdown: :verymad:
Because Arkansas is shifting to "Metropolitan signage" in larger cities.
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Here's one from Winston-Salem on the Corpening Freeway (I-40 Bypass). In front, of course, is brand new signage (just put up this year) and in the back is an older version of the sign on the left.
Quote from: US71 on February 05, 2011, 12:01:08 PM
Because Arkansas is shifting to "Metropolitan signage" in larger cities.
I was unaware that Conway was a "metropolitan area". :eyebrow:
Taken during summer 2010 on I-89 in Central Vermont:
NB, Mileage to next exits, just after Exit 6, Northbound:
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NB looking at the SB signage for Exit 7:
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And going back to the fall of 2005 in Island Pond, VT: New shields and very old destination signs - wood I think:
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This is subtle: on the right is 1960's era MO Shield; on the left is 1990's era complete with outer white border
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86 is also a steel sign and 13 is aluminum
Wow, that is subtle. I wouldn't have even noticed the white border in that particular photo if you hadn't pointed it out.
Quote from: Central Avenue on February 05, 2011, 11:35:20 PM
Wow, that is subtle. I wouldn't have even noticed the white border in that particular photo if you hadn't pointed it out.
The silhouette is also slightly smaller on the 60's sign and uses smaller numbers.
If we're comparing shields, then here's this:
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The left is a late-1980s spec state highway shield, the right a mid or late 1960s spec.
Got a similar one from Vermont; both old and new shield designs are plainly obvious:
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Unless that stretch of VT-36 is a locally-maintained road... right?
Correct. That's why new signs on I-91 at Exit 5 and I-89 at Exit 2 show both the circle and the green oval shields.
Quote from: CL on February 06, 2011, 12:53:49 AM
If we're comparing shields, then here's this:
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The left is a late-1980s spec state highway shield, the right a mid or late 1960s spec.
The stenciled numbers caught my eye. District 11 in Kentucky used to stencil numbers onto signs years ago but few examples are left out in the field.
Which of the VT signs is old and which is new...I think I know, but I just want to make sure.
Quote from: cjk374 on February 09, 2011, 05:31:05 PM
Which of the VT signs is old and which is new...I think I know, but I just want to make sure.
none are particularly old. the circle is a style introduced earlier (~1973 or so) but both are currently in vogue. the green shield (about a mid-90s invention, I think) is state-maintaned routes, while the circle is now used only for town-maintained roads, but was used for both classifications from 1973 to the mid-90s.
I do not know if 36 is a town-maintained road there*, the sign may be old and therefore rendered inaccurate by the 1990s changes... or it may be modern and accurate.
(* and frankly, I don't think the general driving public cares - making me wonder why Vermont bothers with two different shield standards.)
Probably because they don't want to slap their name on routes they are not responsible for the maintenance of.