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Title: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: roadman65 on March 24, 2011, 05:37:08 PM
I do not know if this one is brought up or not, but I will mention it.  Does anyone know of any road names that change that you feel should not?

Springfield, NJ- Two Springfield Avenues that are connected by Meisel Avenue.  Why not have one continuous Springfield Avenue instead?
Altamonte Springs, FL- For FL 436 this city uses Altomonte Drive for a name while the communities around it on both sides: Casselberry and Unicorporated    
    Orange County use Semoran Boulevard. Not to mention that the name of this street is the same as the city! Most locals call it Semoran anyway!
Osceola County, FL- US 192 changes back and forth from Bronson Highway with Vine and 13th Streets in between. Kissimmee and St. Cloud should keep it all   
    Bronson for tourists sake! 

These are places to name a few.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
I think no obvious continuation of a street should change its name under any circumstance.

similarly, discontinuous streets should not have the same name.  see: Laval Road in California, off I-5 just north of the Grapevine.  three branches!
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: DTComposer on March 24, 2011, 06:24:24 PM
What used to be CA-9, then CA-85 in Saratoga/Cupertino/Sunnyvale:

Was Saratoga-Sunnyvale Road the whole length, then was changed to De Anza Boulevard, but only in Cupertino. Now the northern portion is Sunnyvale-Saratoga Road (cities reversed).

Similarly, the portion of CA-9 between Saratoga and Los Gatos was...Saratoga-Los Gatos Road, except in Los Gatos, where it changed to...Saratoga Avenue (different, of course, from the Saratoga Avenue in Saratoga). Then a few years ago Los Gatos decided to re-name their portion to...Los Gatos-Saratoga Road (as opposed to Saratoga-Los Gatos Road).
Confusing?

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
I think no obvious continuation of a street should change its name under any circumstance.

similarly, discontinuous streets should not have the same name.  see: Laval Road in California, off I-5 just north of the Grapevine.  three branches!

Most of the non-aterial streets in the San Fernando Valley keep their names across the valley, even though they are not contiguous in the least.

For example, Gault Street (just south of Sherman Way) has at least 27 distinct, non-contiguous segments, including at least 5 cul-de-sacs.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Duke87 on March 24, 2011, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
I think no obvious continuation of a street should change its name under any circumstance.

Very often this happens because a street is extended or realigned, resulting in two streets being continuous with each other that originally were not. And, neither side wants their street renamed, and nobody wants to go through the hassle and confusion of having to redo all the addresses.

Local example: Grove Street here in Stamford becomes Elm Street where it crosses Tresser Boulevard (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+York&ll=41.053543,-73.532041&spn=0.001853,0.005284&t=h&z=18). But, if you wind the clock back 50 years (http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=8E-06&lat=41.0537895752553&lon=-73.5324710466253&year=1960), the configuration here was completely different.

Quotesimilarly, discontinuous streets should not have the same name.

Which, again, often happens because part of the street is removed. US 1, up to 1970-something, used to follow Main Street through downtown Stamford. Following Main Street through downtown Stamford is no longer possible (by car, anyway), as there are no less than three gaps in it: one created in the 70's by the realignment at the intersection shown above feeding US 1 into the new Tresser Boulevard, a second created in the 80's with the construction of Stamford Town Center (a.k.a. "the mall") and Landmark Square, and a third created only about five years ago with the closing of the Main Street bridge over the Mill River.

And again: who wants to go through the hassle of renaming and redoing addresses?
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Bryant5493 on March 24, 2011, 11:32:59 PM
U.S. 29 in south Fulton County, Georgia does this: it's Roosevelt Highway on the southside of College Park, Red Oak and through Union City, but when it enters the Fairburn city limits, it becomes West Broad Street. When it leaves downtown Fairburn, 29 becomes Roosevelt Highway again, until reaching Palmetto.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: english si on March 25, 2011, 06:52:30 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PMI think no obvious continuation of a street should change its name under any circumstance.
This area (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.93193&lon=-1.3915&zoom=16&layers=M) should really wind you up then.
You have: Shaftesbury Avenue/Upper Shaftesbury Avenue, Ripstone Gardens/Kitchener Road, Granby Grove/Sirdar Road, Welbeck Avenue/Bowden Lane. Best of all, with no houses on it, Upper Grosvenor Road is the continuation of Grosvenor Road north of Welbeck Road - the school wouldn't get a number, so there was no reason why it couldn't have been Grosvenor Road.

I think it was done so that they didn't have to renumber the houses, or have negative numbers, or a bizzare order (given that all house numbering in GB is sequential, rather than distance based, you would always build a road and start house numbers from 1, or maybe 2). However, Ripstone-Kitchener and Granby-Sirdar have houses of the same style, which suggests being planned at the same time, which puts that reasoning into doubt for those roads.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Bickendan on March 25, 2011, 04:06:32 PM
I've never understood that about England, with continuous streets changing names willy-nilly. I can understand the sequential address system to a degree, as your street layout doesn't work with distance based addresses as well, not having a grid system to adhere to.

Another example: Bear Road -> Hounslow Road -> Hanworth Road -> London Road -> [no reported name through Isleworth] ->Brentford High St -> Kew Bridge Road -> Chiswick High Road -> King St -> Hammersmith Road -> Kensington High St -> Kensington Road -> Kensington Core -> Knighstbridge -> Piccadilly -> Shaftesbury Ave

Granted, this particular road goes through a number of London districts, and tends to change name by the district rather by the next intersection, but 16 names for a single road in one city is a lot.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Michael on March 25, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
A few from CNY:

Chestnut Ridge Rd/Pine Ridge Rd changes at Franklin St Rd (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=42.951585,-76.51469&spn=0.008324,0.021136&t=h&z=16) near Auburn.

Speaking of Chestnut Ridge Rd, there's another one  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=42.728195,-76.378541&spn=0.016708,0.042272&t=h&z=15)about 20 miles to the south near Moravia.

The first block of NY 38A south along the US 20 duplex (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=42.933867,-76.559654&spn=0.004163,0.010568&t=h&z=17) is John St, then it changes to Owasco St.

Two in Syracuse:

In 1998, my mom bought a car from someone who lived on Briggs Street (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.076835,-76.13902&spn=0.004153,0.010568&t=h&z=17).  We couldn't find the address, but then we realized that the street was split.  We were on the eastern half when we should have been on the western half.

In the late 1990s, it confused my mother when Clinton Square (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.076835,-76.13902&spn=0.004153,0.010568&t=h&z=17) was expanded and split Erie Blvd. in downtown.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Urban Prairie Schooner on March 25, 2011, 05:24:19 PM
Third Street (LA 48) in Kenner, Louisiana - renamed "Reverend Richard Wilson Drive."  :banghead: Say who?

And yet the LaDOTD installed traffic signal mast mounted signs which call this road "Jefferson Highway" (LA 48 becomes Jefferson Highway east of the Kenner city line).

If anything must be renamed, name the road Jefferson Highway to match its better known remainder outside Kenner, and to honor the historical Jefferson Highway which passed through those parts.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: myosh_tino on March 25, 2011, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on March 24, 2011, 06:24:24 PM
What used to be CA-9, then CA-85 in Saratoga/Cupertino/Sunnyvale:

Was Saratoga-Sunnyvale Road the whole length, then was changed to De Anza Boulevard, but only in Cupertino. Now the northern portion is Sunnyvale-Saratoga Road (cities reversed).
Actually, San Jose renamed their portion of that road (from Bollinger Rd to Prospect Rd) to De Anza Blvd back in the mid 90's.  So, it's Sunnyvale-Saratoga Road north of Homestead Road, De Anza Boulevard from Homestead Road to Prospect Road and Saratoga-Sunnyvale Road south of Prospect Road.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Eth on March 25, 2011, 09:40:28 PM
I like how many of the state-named avenues in DC keep their names upon crossing the border into Maryland - Pennsylvania Ave, Georgia Ave, Connecticut Ave, Wisconsin Ave, etc.

That said, some of those roads keep the name longer than others.  MD 355, for instance, only remains Wisconsin Ave through Bethesda.  As it progresses further north through Montgomery County, it turns into Rockville Pike, Hungerford Dr (in Rockville), Frederick Rd, S./N. Frederick Ave (in Gaithersburg), and then back to Frederick Rd before crossing into Frederick County and becoming Urbana Pike, all without ever turning.  I see no reason why the entire stretch in Montgomery County can't just remain Wisconsin Ave (or, alternatively, Frederick Rd).
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: ftballfan on March 25, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
I counted thirty different incarnations of Gault St in Los Angeles.

Also, Jefferson Ave is Biddle Ave in Wyandotte only. In the Grosse Pointes, Jefferson Ave is known as Lake Shore Dr.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: AZDude on March 25, 2011, 10:58:41 PM
In the Phoenix area,

The east-west arterials generally keep the same name when crossing from one side of the valley to the other.  The north-south arterials however, do change names as they cross from end to end.  The exception is (generally) the numbered arterials. 

An example for north-south routes,
In Scottsdale there is an arterial called 64th Street.  Now starting from the north end you drive southbound.  When you cross from Scottsdale into Phoenix, the name changes to Gavlin Parkway.  Continuing south you cross into Tempe and the name changes to Priest Drive.  Then you cross into Guadalupe and the name changes to Avenida Del Yaqui.  The road crosses back into Tempe and resumes as Priest Drive.  Crossing into Chandler, the name changes to 56th Street.  And for a time before the Wild Horse Pass Casino was built, the road used to continue outside the city where it changed it's name for a final time to Maricopa Road.  :pan:

Simple others include, Hayden Road becomes McClintock Drive, Scottsdale Road becomes Rural Road.

Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: english si on March 26, 2011, 07:03:46 AM
Quote from: Bickendan on March 25, 2011, 04:06:32 PMAnother example: Bear Road -> Hounslow Road -> Hanworth Road -> London Road -> [no reported name through Isleworth] ->Brentford High St -> Kew Bridge Road -> Chiswick High Road -> King St -> Hammersmith Road -> Kensington High St -> Kensington Road -> Kensington Core -> Knighstbridge -> Piccadilly -> Shaftesbury Ave

Granted, this particular road goes through a number of London districts, and tends to change name by the district rather by the next intersection, but 16 names for a single road in one city is a lot.
That one is rather different to the example I gave - it's a very old road that passed through several different villages (and crosses through several boroughs, so it's not like going through one city). No one really named the road (at least on most of it's length), names sort of happened, especially those that are place related.

There's no duplicate names in the London Postcode area (postcodes starting with E, N, NW, W, SW, SE, WC, EC) as when they did it, despite having postcodes to separate them unlike the rest of the country, they renamed a lot of roads. London Road, High Road, High Street and Queens Road were the main changes, with roads other than London Road having the place name put in "High Street Kensington", "Queens Road Peckham", "Walthamstow Queens Road", "Leytonstone High Road" being stations with the street name (or variation of, in the case of Kensington High Street). Other than that, there's not much effort to synchronise street names.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: vdeane on March 26, 2011, 11:44:19 AM
A few in Rochester:
-Atlantic Ave/Browncroft Blvd/Atlantic Ave (NY 286)
-Pinnacle Rd/Winton Rd (Pinnacle even has a second branch the splits off at the name change)
-Castleman Rd/Westmoreland Dr/Westfall Rd/Allens Creek Rd
-West Henrietta Rd/Mt Hope Ave
-Goodman St/Kings Highway
-Exchange St/Exchange Blvd/State St/Lake Ave
-Joseph Ave/Seneca Ave
-Clifford Ave/Empire Blvd/Ridge Rd (NY 404)
-Blossom Ave/Creek St/Bay Rd
-Durand Blvd/Sweet Fern Rd/Pine Valley Rd (this one even has a second branch)/Lake Shore Blvd
-Lake Ontario State Pkwy/Pattonwood Dr (O'Rorke Bridge)
-Formerly, Latta Rd and Stutson St and Pattonwood Dr
-Culver Rd/Lake Rd (only in Winter) (Irondequot Bay Outlet Bridge)
-Ridge Rd (former US 104) exists as several discontinuous segments - there is no bridge over Irondequoit Bay and the bridge over the Genesee River is on the NY 104 freeway (though it used to carry Ridge Rd).
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: mightyace on March 28, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
Oh, Metro Nashville/Davidson County is very good at this.

Briley Parkway @ I-40 W -> White Bridge Road -> Woodmont Blvd. -> Thompson Lane -> Briley Parkway @ I-24 (Thompson Lane does continue on but you must turn left to do it)

Harding Place -> Battery Lane -> Harding Place -> Donelson Pike

Starting at TN 100 and TN 254 -> Old Hickory Blvd. -> Bell Rd. (Old Hickory branches off) -> Pleasant Hill Rd -> Stewart's Ferry Pike (Bell Road reappears as a branch here)

21st Ave S (Nashville) -> Hillsboro Rd. -> 5th Ave N (Franklin)

12th Ave S -> Granny White Pike

TN SSR 171 Mt. Juliet Rd (Mt Juliet) -> Hobson Pike -> Old Hickory Blvd. (171 ends at I-24) -> Burkitt Rd.

I could go on and on...

Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: r-dub on March 28, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Colorado Springs. That is all.

Seriously, I have never been in a city that has so many roads change names. One of the main N-S arterials starts as Fontmore St, changes to Fontanero, then Fillmore in the span of about 1/2 mile. Then it's off to Circle Drive then Lake Avenue. And that's one of many.

And let's not bring up how crappy COS signs these changes, if at all...
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: hobsini2 on April 01, 2011, 10:26:21 PM
I am always fascinated with one in Lombard, Downers Grove and Lemont IL.  Over a stretch of 12 miles, with a couple of subtle s curves, it is Highland Ave, then at 39th St becomes Main St, then about 1/2 mile north of 75th St becomes Lemont Rd (Main St becomes a side street), at the Des Plaines River becomes State St.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Quillz on April 01, 2011, 10:33:11 PM
Sepulveda Boulevard becomes Willow Street in Long Beach, and then another short stretch of Sepulveda picks up to the southeast. I've always felt the two should be connected.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Kacie Jane on April 03, 2011, 08:15:03 PM
Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=James+St&daddr=48.743745,-122.483965+to:12th+St&geocode=Far35wIdmlWz-A%3BFUHF5wIdAwuz-Clt6rmDt6OFVDFMdmyOwrBJYw%3BFfRY5wIdBMSy-A&hl=en&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=14&sll=48.719766,-122.482967&sspn=0.022707,0.077162&ie=UTF8&ll=48.738305,-122.472668&spn=0.045397,0.154324&t=h&z=13&via=1)

"State Street" in Bellingham goes by 5+ different names without drivers having to use their turn signal.  (Even more northbound, since there's a one-way pair through downtown.)  Boulevard (incorrectly labelled Boulevard Street on Google) was built sometime in the first half of the 20th century, and State Street does exist between its two ends, but the through movement is definitely via Boulevard, particularly at its southern end.  Then towards the south, you get into Fairhaven's numbered streets and all hell breaks loose.

(Extra tidbit: This was US 99 until the '30s, then 99 Alternate until it was decommissioned.)
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Brandon on April 04, 2011, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on April 01, 2011, 10:26:21 PM
I am always fascinated with one in Lombard, Downers Grove and Lemont IL.  Over a stretch of 12 miles, with a couple of subtle s curves, it is Highland Ave, then at 39th St becomes Main St, then about 1/2 mile north of 75th St becomes Lemont Rd (Main St becomes a side street), at the Des Plaines River becomes State St.

Not uncommon around here.  You also have Summit Ave which becomes Midwest Rd which becomes Cass Ave which turns into 99th St.

Then there's Renwick Rd which becomes 9th St which becomes Thornton Ave which becomes 159th St then later on turns into 163rd St, then 159th St again which becomes River Oaks Dr, and then 165th St as it crosses the line into Hammond, Indiana, all the while marked as IL-7 and US-6 at different points.  One street Plainfield to Hammond, eight names.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: hm insulators on April 06, 2011, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: Quillz on April 01, 2011, 10:33:11 PM
Sepulveda Boulevard becomes Willow Street in Long Beach, and then another short stretch of Sepulveda picks up to the southeast. I've always felt the two should be connected.

There is also another, much longer stretch of Sepulveda that starts in the San Fernando Valley and parallels I-405 all the way over Sepulveda Pass and ultimately, LAX; by then, it is also California 1. I think about Rosecrans Avenue in El Segundo, it changes its name to Pacific Coast Highway.

In my home town of La Canada Flintridge (California), the easternmost stretch of Foothill Boulevard from Hampton Road under the I-210 eastern crossing, up a short hill and down a longer, steep hill to Oak Grove Drive used to be called Michigan Avenue; the hill is still called the Michigan Hill. And the aforementioned Hampton Road changes its name to Georgian Road south of the intersection. And if you head north on Oakwood Avenue, where the two-lane arterial bends to the northwest, it changes its name to Lynnhaven Lane (although Oakwood continues as a small residential side street for a couple of blocks), then Lynnhaven bends to the north and becomes Princess Anne Road.

And my own street in La Canada Flintridge, Hill Street, becomes Hayman Avenue just south of the house where I grew up.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: huskeroadgeek on April 06, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
This doesn't happen very often where I live, but we do have one of these in Lincoln. Normal Blvd. begins on the E side of the city and later becomes Capitol Parkway and then K and L Street one-way pairs through downtown and then Rosa Parks Way to the US 77 interchange then turning into Coddington Ave. past the interchange.

On the other side of this, there are some places where you might expect street names to change, but they don't. For instance, I like the fact that Johnson County in Kansas continues the E-W numbered streets across the state line from Kansas City, Mo. This does create an odd situation from a numbering standpoint where 47th Street is the lowest numbered street at the Wyandotte County line, but it makes much more sense to match Kansas City, Mo.'s numbers.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: wytout on April 06, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
In my little home town, CT 190 cuts through from east to west entering at somers and leaving into union.
This road has 6 street names as it goes through town.  It comes in from the west as Chesnut Hill Rd.  Then around the intersection w/ CT 30 it changes to West Stafford Road,  then it becomes west main street.  Then suddenly , main street, then east main street, and then about 1/4 mile past it's intersection w/ CT 19 it becomes Buckley Hwy.  And continues into the town of union  named buckley highway, and keeps the name buckley highway until it's terminus with RT 171 (which in fact you don't necessarily know 190 terminated, except that after the T intersection w/ 171, the next EB reassurance is 171, and not 190 anymore.  Fun Stuff. (171 should have ended at it's intersection w/ 190 and 190 should have continued east to it's terminus at the i-84 exit 74 interchange.

So basically a road/route through 2 small neighboring  New England towns that seems to do things that aren't really all that necessary and don't need to change as often as they do.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: v35322 on April 07, 2011, 02:35:06 AM
Quote from: r-dub on March 28, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Colorado Springs. That is all.

Seriously, I have never been in a city that has so many roads change names. One of the main N-S arterials starts as Fontmore St, changes to Fontanero, then Fillmore in the span of about 1/2 mile. Then it's off to Circle Drive then Lake Avenue. And that's one of many.

And let's not bring up how crappy COS signs these changes, if at all...
And when it changes from Fontanero to Fillmore, a separate street splits off and calls itself Fontanero ...

Plus, there's the little bit of ... er, glory ... that is Briargate Boulevard and Briargate Parkway, which are two completely separate streets.

There's also the several unconnected streets called Templeton Gap Road (at least four that I can remember). Although, if there were actually roads between their endpoints, they'd be one straight-line road.

And the fact that just west of I-25 you have to make a right turn at a stoplight to continue on westbound Woodmen Road, if you go straight the street suddenly becomes Rockrimmon Boulevard. (Although that one sort of makes sense, given the history of that part of town.)

And a lot of streets in the central part of the city (Uintah, Cache La Poudre, Yampa) suddenly shift half a block or so at Union Boulevard, requiring drivers who want to stay on those streets to turn onto Union, cross all of the through lanes into the turn lane in a half-block span, and make another turn.

Yeah, Colorado Springs isn't so great with the planning.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: kurumi on April 07, 2011, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: wytout on April 06, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
... CT 190 ... keeps the name buckley highway until it's terminus with RT 171 (which in fact you don't necessarily know 190 terminated, except that after the T intersection w/ 171, the next EB reassurance is 171, and not 190 anymore.  Fun Stuff. (171 should have ended at it's intersection w/ 190 and 190 should have continued east to it's terminus at the i-84 exit 74 interchange.

Even better: 190 EB becomes 171 WB.

If I had been sitting in on the 1961 reclassification meetings, I would have strongly urged replacing most of 171 with 190, which would extend all the way to CT 12.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: US71 on April 27, 2011, 09:29:03 AM
Fayetteville, AR:

Razorback Rd becomes Cato Springs Rd

6th St becomes Huntsville Rd

These may be exceptions since in both cases, the former was extended into the later.

Johnson, AR has Main St which becomes Greathouse Springs Rd
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Duke87 on April 27, 2011, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: kurumi on April 07, 2011, 02:00:14 PM
Even better: 190 EB becomes 171 WB.

If I had been sitting in on the 1961 reclassification meetings, I would have strongly urged replacing most of 171 with 190, which would extend all the way to CT 12.

I dunno, it seems far more logical to just replace the "west" end of 171 up to I-84 with 190 instead. And, 197 should take over the piece between there and its current west end.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: ftballfan on May 05, 2011, 09:34:23 AM
In Michigan, Morrish Rd changes to Moorish Rd at the Genesee/Saginaw county line.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2011, 12:13:19 PM
If you drive eastbound on US-250 Business into Charlottesville, you'll initially be on Ivy Road. It becomes University Avenue after you cross US-29 Business (Emmet Street). Sensible enough name as you pass through the UVA Grounds. Six tenths of a mile east of there at the intersection with 14th Street the road changes names again, this time to Main Street. (That's right, University Avenue is 0.6 of a mile long.) Main Street itself is then only 0.8 of a mile long, as at the intersection with Ridge-McIntire Road if you're driving on Main Street and you continue straight ahead you'll be on either Water Street or South Street. (When I lived in Charlottesville, these were twinned one-way streets and so you had to use South Street, but they've made Water two-way since then.)

A little ways to the north of all this you can approach Charlottesville from the west on Garth Road. At one point Garth makes a 90-degree right turn at a T-intersection (the road onto which it turns is officially called Garth Road but is often called "21 Curves" because it's twisty); if instead you stay straight on the main drag, you're on Barracks Road. Barracks then becomes a part of Rugby Road for a whole one-tenth of a mile and then changes names again to Preston Avenue. 1.1 miles later it changes names again, this time to Market Street. (If instead you hung a left on Rugby Road, you'd come to an intersection where going straight would put you on Dairy Road. You have to go left there to stay on Rugby, which descends to the US-250 Bypass; after you cross the bypass, you're on Hydraulic Road, which eventually turns right and if you don't turn you're on Rio Road–pronounced with a long "I" sound like rye bread, RYE-o–and Rio eventually loops back around and becomes Park Street.)

Small wonder people in Charlottesville tend to give directions by saying things like "drive to where the Safeway used to be and turn left."
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2011, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on March 24, 2011, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
I think no obvious continuation of a street should change its name under any circumstance.

Very often this happens because a street is extended or realigned, resulting in two streets being continuous with each other that originally were not. And, neither side wants their street renamed, and nobody wants to go through the hassle and confusion of having to redo all the addresses.

Local example: Grove Street here in Stamford becomes Elm Street where it crosses Tresser Boulevard (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+York&ll=41.053543,-73.532041&spn=0.001853,0.005284&t=h&z=18). But, if you wind the clock back 50 years (http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=8E-06&lat=41.0537895752553&lon=-73.5324710466253&year=1960), the configuration here was completely different.

....

This is common in Northern Virginia where an orphaned or superseded piece of road will often be renamed to start with "Old." I can think of one instance where the "Old" road was then reconfigured and they had to come up with a third name for the new road, so they used "Branch"–to go from Gallows Road to Old Gallows Road you use Gallows Branch Road.

The notion of disconnected streets with the same name is a plague in Arlington County. They have a street-naming system for north-south streets where you start at the Potomac and work your way west using one-syllable names, then two-syllable, etc. on up to the lone four-syllable name. Problem is, they generally use only a SINGLE name in each "alphabet" regardless of how many streets have the same name as a result. They add "North" or "South" to indicate if a road is north or south of US-50. I looked at a map and I counted seven different disconnected streets named "North Buchanan Street" and five different disconnected streets named "South Buchanan Street."
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: roadman65 on May 15, 2011, 06:39:31 PM
In Orlando we have Old Winter Garden Road that is not the replacement of a newer one!  It was once the original FL 50 except between Bulford Avenue and McGuire Road as that was just extended.  Old 50 went up Bluford and made its way into FL 438 and continued west, but nonetheless its "old,"   Some with Cheney Highway on the east end of Orlando.  There is no New Cheney Highway, but in Brevard County FL 50 is just plain Cheney Highway, so at one time it extended into O-Town.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Chicagosuburban on July 15, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
There are a lot of these in Chicagoland. For example, St. Charles Road in Lombard IL...in Glen Ellyn, Wheaton, and Winfield it continues as Geneva Rd, in West Chicago continues as Washington St, then still in West Chicago turns into Fabyan Pkwy, where it goes through Geneva and Batavia, and with the Kane County DOT's proposed plan it'll connect to Bliss Rd at its current terminus, and then in Sugar Grove, Bliss Rd continues as Wheeler Rd....Almost every one of these was from a realignment but it's still really confusing to most people.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Chicagosuburban on July 15, 2011, 02:16:05 PM
Also in Chicago, the fact that almost every north-south arterial in Chicago is called something else when crossing into the northern suburbs...Clark St -> Chicago Ave...Western Ave -> Asbury Ave...California Ave -> Dodge Ave...Pulaski Rd -> Crawford Ave...Cicero Ave -> Skokie Blvd...not to mention Central Ave continuing as Carpenter Rd for 1/4 of a mile before continuing as Niles Center Rd
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: texaskdog on July 15, 2011, 02:28:02 PM
I could talk about Austin but my lunch is only an hour long.  Like Cameron turning into Dessau yet there is another cameron a mile away to the east (no they never connected or were plan to connect)....2 major duvals...wells branch pkwy becomes howard lane then becomes mcneil then becomes spicewood springs then old lampasas (3 of those 5 roads turn off in another direction)
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: mjb2002 on July 15, 2011, 08:30:20 PM
I have several that should not change names.

In Aiken County:

In the North Augusta City Limits, JEFFERSON DAVIS HY becomes AIKEN-AUGUSTA HY. In Windsor, SPRING BRANCH RD becomes WINDSOR RD. Also in Windsor, S-2-964 and US 78 both have MIDDLETON DR as its name.

In Barnwell County:

WEST ST in Williston becomes BARNWELL RD and then WILLISTON WAY. ALLENDALE AV becomes MOONLIGHT RD. Also, there are 2 MAIN ST in Williston -- S-6-33 and S-6-108/US 78/SC 39. In Elko, DEERING RD becomes ROSEMARY RD. There are also 2 MAIN ST in Elko -- S-6-129 and US 78. In Blackville, LEGION RD becomes LAKE SHORE DR. HILDA RD becomes LARTIGUE ST. There are 2 HAMPTON AV in Blackville -- S-6-10 and S-6-76/S-6-147. In Barnwell, WEST WELLINGTON RD becomes JOEY ZORN BLVD.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: kharvey10 on July 16, 2011, 02:21:27 AM
in the St. Louis area

Midland/Dorsett - the road is known as Dorsett when it meets 270, but throughout the county this road is better known as Midland Ave.  (Dorsett is a Maryland Heights thing.)

Hanley/Graham/St. Ferdinand - in the county its better known as Hanley, but as soon as you get north of 270, it becomes Graham.  When it intersects Washington, that road changes names again to St. Ferdinand.

Washington/Elizabeth - north of 270 its Washington, and is the better known road.  south of 270, it becomes Elizabeth and heads into a residential area.  Elizabeth will eventually become Bermuda Road and intersect I-70.

Airport Road:  This road becomes Hereford Ave once it crosses N. Florissant Road, then Chambers Road when it crosses Elizabeth.

Lindbergh Road:  In Kirkwood, it takes the name of Kirkwood Road.

Bellwood Street in Bethalto becomes Vaughn Road in Wood River.  It will become Central Ave. south of the old alignment of IL 143 (Alton-Edwardsville Road).
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Brandon on July 16, 2011, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: Chicagosuburban on July 15, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
There are a lot of these in Chicagoland. For example, St. Charles Road in Lombard IL...in Glen Ellyn, Wheaton, and Winfield it continues as Geneva Rd, in West Chicago continues as Washington St, then still in West Chicago turns into Fabyan Pkwy, where it goes through Geneva and Batavia, and with the Kane County DOT's proposed plan it'll connect to Bliss Rd at its current terminus, and then in Sugar Grove, Bliss Rd continues as Wheeler Rd....Almost every one of these was from a realignment but it's still really confusing to most people.

St Charles Rd actually takes a jog in West Chicago and goes up further north toward North Ave (IL-64) near the DuPage Airport.
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: Chicagosuburban on July 16, 2011, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: Brandon on July 16, 2011, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: Chicagosuburban on July 15, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
There are a lot of these in Chicagoland. For example, St. Charles Road in Lombard IL...in Glen Ellyn, Wheaton, and Winfield it continues as Geneva Rd, in West Chicago continues as Washington St, then still in West Chicago turns into Fabyan Pkwy, where it goes through Geneva and Batavia, and with the Kane County DOT's proposed plan it'll connect to Bliss Rd at its current terminus, and then in Sugar Grove, Bliss Rd continues as Wheeler Rd....Almost every one of these was from a realignment but it's still really confusing to most people.

St Charles Rd actually takes a jog in West Chicago and goes up further north toward North Ave (IL-64) near the DuPage Airport.
I know but you have to turn to stay on St. Charles Rd, if you go straight you end up on Geneva Rd
Title: Re: Street names that change names that should not or those that we roadgeeks refer
Post by: brownpelican on July 16, 2011, 02:03:21 PM
Going downriver in New Orleans, Dryades Street used to run from Uptown to Howard Avenue. East of Howard, downriver traffic became to O'Keefe Avenue (toward downtown) and upriver traffic was renamed South Rampart Street.

Sometime in the 90s, Dryades from Howard to Phillip Street was renamed Oretha Castle Haley Blvd.