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Title: States' contributions
Post by: Scott5114 on April 07, 2011, 10:46:31 AM
Someone mentioned in another thread that Iowa invented the No Passing Zone pennant. I know Kansas was the first to develop the small-caps style of cardinal direction signage, and California gave us tions of freeway signage innovations, including the basis of the modern FHWA Series fonts.

What other states have invented innovations that eventually made it into the national MUTCD?
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: NE2 on April 07, 2011, 11:07:19 AM
Jersey barriers? I think New Jersey gave us mile-based exit numbers (Garden State Parkway).
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: froggie on April 07, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
QuoteWhat other states have invented innovations that eventually made it into the national MUTCD?

How about the MUTCD itself?  Minnesota was arguably the first state to have one.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: NE2 on April 07, 2011, 12:41:11 PM
Wisconsin: route markers
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 07, 2011, 12:41:11 PM
Wisconsin: route markers

route numbers in general, as far as I know.

California invented about half of the MUTCD for freeways as we know it.  The other half, California hung on to their own style anyway as long as they could.

the Yield sign was first installed in 1950 in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

I believe the route marker on a black square was first invented in Maryland, as long ago as 1949.  At the time, it had the full state name and US designation, but just happened to be not cut out, with a black background for contrast.  This became a federal standard in 1961.

the first use of wider route markers for three-digit numbers was either New York or Massachusetts.  Both definitely had them by the early 1930s.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on April 07, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Michigan: Center line (1911), Stop sign (Detroit, 1915), 3-colour traffic signals (Detroit, 1920).

New Jersey: "ALL TURNS", "U TURN", "U AND LEFT TURNS" jughandle signs.

At least 16 states and Canada: Deer, Bear, Sheep, Caribou, Wild Horse, etc. symbolic warning signs

Canada (other states might have used those too before they were added to the MUTCD...): School Bus Stop sign (with Virginia), Ferry symbol, Push button symbol for traffic light, Time-restricted and Pay Parking (Green circle P), Photo Enforced symbol, No Straight Through.

Ontario: Overhead arrow-per-lane signs for exits?

Europe: Centre island directional chevrons for roundabouts.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: NE2 on April 07, 2011, 01:05:32 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 07, 2011, 12:41:11 PM
Wisconsin: route markers

route numbers in general, as far as I know.
*signed* route numbers. Other states had unsigned networks previously; for example, California began numbering routes in 1917. Outside the US, France's numbering system dates to Napoleon (I don't know when they were signed).
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: KillerTux on April 07, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
Maryland 1941, Safe Speed Sign

(https://files.me.com/parndt/v4x15l)
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 01:24:19 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on April 07, 2011, 01:05:05 PM

Michigan: Center line (1911)

California claims that it was Dr. June McCarroll in 1917.  there's even a section of I-10 named after her, as the route that she originally hand-painted (!) a stripe down the middle of later, after many upgrades, become I-10.

(that's gotta be a first - naming a highway after someone useful, as opposed to a senator or whatnot.)
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: KillerTux on April 07, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
Maryland 1941, Safe Speed Sign

[neato picture snipped]

Maryland sure liked their black signs.  I think that's what gave them the idea for the black square route marker.  Patrick, can you confirm that 1949 date?
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on April 07, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 01:24:19 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on April 07, 2011, 01:05:05 PM

Michigan: Center line (1911)

California claims that it was Dr. June McCarroll in 1917.  there's even a section of I-10 named after her, as the route that she originally hand-painted (!) a stripe down the middle of later, after many upgrades, become I-10.

(that's gotta be a first - naming a highway after someone useful, as opposed to a senator or whatnot.)
I found that on the FHWA's website with no further precisions. http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno-history.htm
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Brandon on April 07, 2011, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 01:24:19 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on April 07, 2011, 01:05:05 PM

Michigan: Center line (1911)

California claims that it was Dr. June McCarroll in 1917.  there's even a section of I-10 named after her, as the route that she originally hand-painted (!) a stripe down the middle of later, after many upgrades, become I-10.

(that's gotta be a first - naming a highway after someone useful, as opposed to a senator or whatnot.)

California likes to claim a lot of things developed elsewhere.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: cu2010 on April 07, 2011, 03:37:33 PM
Pennsylvania gave us Clearview...

(oh, are we only talking about GOOD contributions?)
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Alps on April 07, 2011, 04:28:14 PM
WV gave us the school bus sign (with modifications). PA gave us "EXCEPT RIGHT TURNS" to go below stop signs. The NYC area gave us purple for toll road signs by virtue of E-ZPass. I'd say California gave us wide shield variants, but I'm not as familiar with that history. Alabama gave us the state route template. :P
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Quillz on April 07, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: cu2010 on April 07, 2011, 03:37:33 PM
Pennsylvania gave us Clearview...

(oh, are we only talking about GOOD contributions?)
From what I've read, it was actually developed jointly by both Texas and Pennsylvania. Although Pennsylvania might have been the first state to use it on actual guide signs.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: KillerTux on April 07, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2011, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: KillerTux on April 07, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
Maryland 1941, Safe Speed Sign

[neato picture snipped]

Maryland sure liked their black signs.  I think that's what gave them the idea for the black square route marker.  Patrick, can you confirm that 1949 date?
Yep. 1946 they moved from embossed 16 inch to large cutouts then sometime in 1949 it was moved to black 24x24 squares.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: roadfro on April 08, 2011, 05:50:11 AM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on April 07, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
At least 16 states and Canada: Deer, Bear, Sheep, Caribou, Wild Horse, etc. symbolic warning signs

Nevada would be one of those states. Nearly every animal warning sign in the 2006 Nevada Sign Supplement made it into the 2009 MUTCD with little modification.

Also, the 2009 MUTCD adopted the standard layout used and wording previously used by NDOT for the daytime headlight section series and the slow vehicle turnout series of signs. Many states in the west were using similar signs with slight variation (i.e. Caltrans was using "daylight headlight section" instead of "daytime headlight section").
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: J N Winkler on April 08, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
I'd say most of those animal warning signs also appeared in the previous (print only) edition of the Nevada signs supplement, which came out in (IIRC) 1998.  But it would be tough to tell which signs originated where because Arizona, for example, was also using an elk warning sign at the time.  I am pretty sure that the mustang and wild ox warning signs are Nevada originals.  I think MUTCD 2009 now has a bear warning sign which is a California original.

Applying "MUTCD archaeology" to the guide signs, I would guess that Missouri invented the community interchanges sign.  California definitely invented the interchange sequence sign.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: PAHighways on April 08, 2011, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: cu2010 on April 07, 2011, 03:37:33 PM
Pennsylvania gave us Clearview...

(oh, are we only talking about GOOD contributions?)

It was developed jointly by the Texas Transportation Institute and Pennsylvania Transportation Institute.

If you want a good contribution, how about the SNAP (Sonic Nap Alert Pattern) rumble strip on the sides of roads.  While other states had used of rumble strips to help eliminate D-O-R (Drive Off Road) accidents, the SNAP design was devised by a PTC engineer in the mid-80s and first tested on the abandoned Turnpike then installed in a trial between mileposts 82 and 88 in the late 80s.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: SSOWorld on April 08, 2011, 01:06:11 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Wisconsin gave us the all shields on a single black background sign. ;)
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: thenetwork on April 08, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Wasn't Iowa the first state to use individual big blue Gas, Food, Lodging signs w/ business logos?   I remember seeing those on a cross country trip in the heartland state in 1983, but it took several more years before I saw them anywhere else.   I still remember Ohio doing a "test" of these signs in the late 80s on I-75 between Findlay & Lima, as if they thought it may not be such a great innovation.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Ian on April 08, 2011, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: Master son on April 08, 2011, 01:06:11 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Wisconsin gave us the all shields on a single black background sign. ;)

Just like Rhode Island gave us non-cutout interstate shields!
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: deathtopumpkins on April 08, 2011, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: Master son on April 08, 2011, 01:06:11 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Wisconsin gave us the all shields on a single black background sign. ;)

Depends on how long Virginia's been doing that.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Quillz on April 08, 2011, 09:20:27 PM
Which state gave us Interstate bubble shields?
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: mjb2002 on April 08, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: cu2010 on April 07, 2011, 03:37:33 PM
Pennsylvania gave us Clearview...

(oh, are we only talking about GOOD contributions?)

Clearview is a good contribution. Only in mixed case, though.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Quillz on April 08, 2011, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: mjb2002 on April 08, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: cu2010 on April 07, 2011, 03:37:33 PM
Pennsylvania gave us Clearview...

(oh, are we only talking about GOOD contributions?)

Clearview is a good contribution. Only in mixed case, though.
Clearview is only supposed to be used as mixed case. Using it in all caps defeats its entire purpose.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Alps on April 08, 2011, 10:35:19 PM
Quote from: Quillz on April 08, 2011, 09:20:27 PM
Which state gave us Interstate bubble shields?
Those had better never see the light of MUTCDay.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 08, 2011, 11:59:06 PM
Pennsylvania gave us the 1970 specification of highway markers (US and interstate) by 1966. 

the oldest non-cutout US route marker I know of (one that isn't an integral part of a guide sign) is a late 1930s Massachusetts design.

bizarre!

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19390051i1.jpg)
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2011, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: Quillz on April 08, 2011, 09:20:27 PM
Which state gave us Interstate bubble shields?

no idea, but it seems a fairly recent invention - only with digital design is it sufficiently easy to distort a vector graphic along one axis and not the other that it seems, to the lazy person in charge of implementation, to be the most effective solution.

back in the day, unless you were blowing up 1:1, you had to be all worried about perspective effects as you projected your design onto various new coordinate planes.  now it's stupidly easy to expand in one dimension and alas that is what the stupid do.

I'd say the oldest bubble shields date back to the late 80s, and they only started getting somewhat common by the 90s.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: huskeroadgeek on April 09, 2011, 01:40:06 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on April 08, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Wasn't Iowa the first state to use individual big blue Gas, Food, Lodging signs w/ business logos?   I remember seeing those on a cross country trip in the heartland state in 1983, but it took several more years before I saw them anywhere else.   I still remember Ohio doing a "test" of these signs in the late 80s on I-75 between Findlay & Lima, as if they thought it may not be such a great innovation.
I think you're correct. I had forgotten that since they are used in every state now(I think) but I remember them being something unique to Iowa for awhile too.
Title: Re: States' contributions
Post by: Quillz on April 12, 2011, 02:59:23 PM
Has the Jersey Barrier/k-rail been mentioned yet? Originated in New Jersey, obviously.