I think I-76 should be extended to Atlantic City, NJ... but nope it ends at I-295... I wonder why.....?
Post Merge: April 26, 2011, 10:26:35 PM
Even though NJ 42 is a toll road... I-76 in PA is even a toll road for much of its routing, so I do not see why not?
Well, I do believe the Atlantic City Expressway isn't quite up to interstate standards.
But, really, it's simply that it wasn't put in place in the original interstate plan, and New Jersey has not seen fit to apply for the designation since. While it does seem like a logical extension, functionally speaking, what would the benefit really be? Something has to justify the cost of all the new signs.
NJ 42 is not a toll road. The NJ 42 segment is freeway, not tollway.
This is New Jersey. 42 will never be upgraded, nor will any of the ever proposed highways be built. I mean since the 1980s, only a small portion of 185 and the old NJ 92 segment of NJ 133 have been constructed (along with the missing interstate 287 parts). NIMBYs, Environmentalists, Greedy Politicians and Plain Idiots live in this state. It'll never happened. Hell I'm surprised the Hillsborough Bypass is this far in.
I-76 ends at I-295 because it's an Interstate, which is why it doesn't even follow NJ 42 to the ACE junction. It could also end at the ocean, but the median parking lot was probably too much to overcome to get it designated, and the ACE is owned by the South Jersey Transportation Authority, more known for ferries and airports than their one toll road. There are a lot of idiosyncrasies. I just don't think it was on anyone's radar to get it extended, but even if it had been, probably was not going to happen.
Yeah it does make sense if it's an Interstate... but like some states, their interstates end at the city, not at other interstates.. i.e. I-40 in Wilmington, NC, I-95 in Miami, FL, I-90 in Boston, the list goes on... but it is just unfortunate... I was just wondering because I drove on that road before.. I was surprised. Guess you're right, it's New Jersey.....
you could have it become another interstate, and have it end at the garden state parkway just outside atlantic city? Or take it to the Plesantville Toll Plaza. Interstate 876 would work, or extend 676 along it. Interstate 195 ends at a non interstate as well (295 and NJ 29 on the western part and NJ 138 on the eastern)
Quote from: SteveG1988 on April 30, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
you could have it become another interstate, and have it end at the garden state parkway just outside atlantic city? Or take it to the Plesantville Toll Plaza. Interstate 876 would work, or extend 676 along it. Interstate 195 ends at a non interstate as well (295 and NJ 29 on the western part and NJ 138 on the eastern)
Please try to keep this thread away from Fictional Highways, although you're doing your best. Three-digit Interstates can end anywhere, but two-digit Interstates are generally only approved to end at Interstates or US Highways, or else at the very edge of the country (which is how the I-90 extension in Boston was approved).
Sorry about that, back to the matter at hand. To be honest leaving it as is does not harm anyone. it is not like it is confusing to get to the expressway from 76/42. It makes sense from a routing standpoint to extend a interstate desgination over the road, but is it really needed for the region? I would rather see the funds that could be used for a change like that go to something that really needs fixing, like the Scudder Falls Bridge replacement, along with the new approaches
yeah i see that.. but like i said.. it could have been extended along 42 to give the city a interstate....
Thing is the ACE was built in 1964, the part of 76 that exists today i think was built in the late 50s as part of the bridge approach. (check out the historic aerials) they planned it like that in the first place. Looking at 1957 photos, the roadway that became 76 exists even then.
Quote from: Duke87 on April 26, 2011, 08:40:41 PM
Well, I do believe the Atlantic City Expressway isn't quite up to interstate standards.
But, really, it's simply that it wasn't put in place in the original interstate plan, and New Jersey has not seen fit to apply for the designation since. While it does seem like a logical extension, functionally speaking, what would the benefit really be? Something has to justify the cost of all the new signs.
Especially when you take into consideration the fact that the mileage and exit numbers go the wrong way (westbound instead of eastbound). While extensions of I-76 to Atlantic City and spurs into Vineland (along NJ 55) have been envisioned a lot in the fictional highways sites, past and present, it simply won't happen in the real world.
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on April 26, 2011, 08:40:41 PM
Well, I do believe the Atlantic City Expressway isn't quite up to interstate standards.
But, really, it's simply that it wasn't put in place in the original interstate plan, and New Jersey has not seen fit to apply for the designation since. While it does seem like a logical extension, functionally speaking, what would the benefit really be? Something has to justify the cost of all the new signs.
Especially when you take into consideration the fact that the mileage and exit numbers go the wrong way (westbound instead of eastbound). While extensions of I-76 to Atlantic City and spurs into Vineland (along NJ 55) have been envisioned a lot in the fictional highways sites, past and present, it simply won't happen in the real world.
Wrong way mileage markers never stopped I-90 from being posted along the NYS Thruway, the Northwest Tollway, or the Chicago Skyway.
Quote from: Steve on April 30, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on April 30, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
you could have it become another interstate, and have it end at the garden state parkway just outside atlantic city? Or take it to the Plesantville Toll Plaza. Interstate 876 would work, or extend 676 along it. Interstate 195 ends at a non interstate as well (295 and NJ 29 on the western part and NJ 138 on the eastern)
Please try to keep this thread away from Fictional Highways, although you're doing your best. Three-digit Interstates can end anywhere, but two-digit Interstates are generally only approved to end at Interstates or US Highways, or else at the very edge of the country (which is how the I-90 extension in Boston was approved).
Atlantic City wouldn't be the very edge of the country?
Quote from: Michael in Philly on May 09, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: Steve on April 30, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on April 30, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
you could have it become another interstate, and have it end at the garden state parkway just outside atlantic city? Or take it to the Plesantville Toll Plaza. Interstate 876 would work, or extend 676 along it. Interstate 195 ends at a non interstate as well (295 and NJ 29 on the western part and NJ 138 on the eastern)
Please try to keep this thread away from Fictional Highways, although you're doing your best. Three-digit Interstates can end anywhere, but two-digit Interstates are generally only approved to end at Interstates or US Highways, or else at the very edge of the country (which is how the I-90 extension in Boston was approved).
Atlantic City wouldn't be the very edge of the country?
Of course not. Didn't you know about East Atlantic City, NJ? :pan:
Quote from: Brandon on May 08, 2011, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on April 26, 2011, 08:40:41 PM
Well, I do believe the Atlantic City Expressway isn't quite up to interstate standards.
But, really, it's simply that it wasn't put in place in the original interstate plan, and New Jersey has not seen fit to apply for the designation since. While it does seem like a logical extension, functionally speaking, what would the benefit really be? Something has to justify the cost of all the new signs.
Especially when you take into consideration the fact that the mileage and exit numbers go the wrong way (westbound instead of eastbound). While extensions of I-76 to Atlantic City and spurs into Vineland (along NJ 55) have been envisioned a lot in the fictional highways sites, past and present, it simply won't happen in the real world.
Wrong way mileage markers never stopped I-90 from being posted along the NYS Thruway, the Northwest Tollway, or the Chicago Skyway.
That is true.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on May 09, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: Steve on April 30, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on April 30, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
you could have it become another interstate, and have it end at the garden state parkway just outside atlantic city? Or take it to the Plesantville Toll Plaza. Interstate 876 would work, or extend 676 along it. Interstate 195 ends at a non interstate as well (295 and NJ 29 on the western part and NJ 138 on the eastern)
Please try to keep this thread away from Fictional Highways, although you're doing your best. Three-digit Interstates can end anywhere, but two-digit Interstates are generally only approved to end at Interstates or US Highways, or else at the very edge of the country (which is how the I-90 extension in Boston was approved).
Atlantic City wouldn't be the very edge of the country?
Yes, if I-76 could make it there. I'm not sure the Garden State Parkway is as neat a division for the FHWA. But first and foremost, I don't think the ACE was ever applied for Interstate status, which may in fact be the principal reason for exclusion.
Interstates designated on existing roads/newly built/etc nowadays are marketing tools to increase commerce and of course, allow clueless tourists to follow one number to a destination (and in other cases like Danville VA with I-785, put them on the map). I-76 being routed along the 42 Freeway and the A.C.E. could only help bring in more people to the southern New Jersey "shore points". Granted, the improvements to upgrade 42 and the ACE would not be cheap but it's worth the investment. Every summer, I have to hear these silly TV and Radio ad's about getting out of stater's to the New Jersey shore but you don't really hear that many any other marketing ideas. Instead, imposing or increasing the parking meters and upping the cost of beach badge passes are all they.....the state/municipal government knows.
Quote from: Steve on May 09, 2011, 06:57:19 PM
Yes, if I-76 could make it there. I'm not sure the Garden State Parkway is as neat a division for the FHWA. But first and foremost, I don't think the ACE was ever applied for Interstate status, which may in fact be the principal reason for exclusion.
Well, it was good enough for I-195...
I wonder how many people think its all the same road, 76/42/ACE. Its pretty seamless going from one to the other.
Quote from: Steve on April 30, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: SteveG1988 on April 30, 2011, 11:36:17 AM
you could have it become another interstate, and have it end at the garden state parkway just outside atlantic city? Or take it to the Plesantville Toll Plaza. Interstate 876 would work, or extend 676 along it. Interstate 195 ends at a non interstate as well (295 and NJ 29 on the western part and NJ 138 on the eastern)
Please try to keep this thread away from Fictional Highways, although you're doing your best. Three-digit Interstates can end anywhere, but two-digit Interstates are generally only approved to end at Interstates or US Highways, or else at the very edge of the country (which is how the I-90 extension in Boston was approved).
There are precedents.
- I-35 ends at a surface street intersection with a state highway in Duluth, MN.
- I-79 feeds into a city street parkway in Erie, PA ('edge of country'?).
Assuming that the road is up to standards and the State of New Jersey wants it, I have no problem with marking all of the ACE, right up to where it feeds into Atlantic City's streets, as 'I-76'.
:nod:
Mike
I think signing it as 76 up to the start of the ACE would work, for guiding motorists. have 76 stop at the toll road instead of stoping at NJ route 42 and then the toll road starts.
Also last time i drove the road, it felt very interstate like in terms of lanes and exits, only issue i have is the signage, it would have to be torn down and replaced with actual standards compliant signs since it is all over the place in terms of quality.
Living 3 miles away from where 295, 76 & 42 meet, I think the majority of the people that feel this is a major issue are those in the Roadgeek community. There has certainly been no effort whatsoever in the state towards looking into renumbering 42 & the ACE as I-76; no more so than renumbering the NJ Turnpike from interchanges 1 - 6 to be 95 or x95.
To clarify - Other than for about a 1 mile stretch near AC, the AC Expressway is fully up to interstate standards, and that's only due to the intercept parking lot in the median. Route 42 is up to interstate standards. The only minor issues would be longer accel/decel lanes and larger signage at a few of the exits.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 01, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
Living 3 miles away from where 295, 76 & 42 meet, I think the majority of the people that feel this is a major issue are those in the Roadgeek community.
Welcome to roadgeekdom where 98.9% of the topics debated on here, the rest of the population could care less about.
:-) Yeah...I know! Although in some areas of the country, an interstate vs. state or county route designation means a big thing! It is really pushed for and desired by local businesses (and residents) to promote commerce and growth.
One instance in this general area was way back when the PA Turnpike NE Extension was PA Route 9, and they promoted one of the reasons to change it to I-476 was to encourage truck traffic to use the pike.
One simple solution would be to make the Route 42 part of the Freeway and the Atlantic City Expressway NJ State Route 76. The whole thing wouldn't be an interstate, but at least it would all have the same route number, and it would all be marked East/West.
California continues Interstate numbers as state routes in a bunch of different places.
Quote from: Odysseus on August 06, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
One simple solution would be to make the Route 42 part of the Freeway and the Atlantic City Expressway NJ State Route 76. The whole thing wouldn't be an interstate, but at least it would all have the same route number, and it would all be marked East/West.
California continues Interstate numbers as state routes in a bunch of different places.
NJ would see that as duplicate numbers. I think NJ 138 should be NJ 195. But alas its not
QuoteOne instance in this general area was way back when the PA Turnpike NE Extension was PA Route 9, and they promoted one of the reasons to change it to I-476 was to encourage truck traffic to use the pike.
Well there were other reasons for that change. Like at the time, only rural Interstates could be signed at 65 MPH. This is also the reason why the East-West Tollway in Illinois changed from IL 5 to I-88.
QuoteCalifornia continues Interstate numbers as state routes in a bunch of different places.
As does New York (481, 690, 390, etc).
Quote from: jwolfer on August 12, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: Odysseus on August 06, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
One simple solution would be to make the Route 42 part of the Freeway and the Atlantic City Expressway NJ State Route 76. The whole thing wouldn't be an interstate, but at least it would all have the same route number, and it would all be marked East/West.
California continues Interstate numbers as state routes in a bunch of different places.
NJ would see that as duplicate numbers. I think NJ 138 should be NJ 195. But alas its not
I like 138 because it's numbered as part of 38. Same reason I like 120.
Quote from: Steve on August 12, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 12, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: Odysseus on August 06, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
One simple solution would be to make the Route 42 part of the Freeway and the Atlantic City Expressway NJ State Route 76. The whole thing wouldn't be an interstate, but at least it would all have the same route number, and it would all be marked East/West.
California continues Interstate numbers as state routes in a bunch of different places.
NJ would see that as duplicate numbers. I think NJ 138 should be NJ 195. But alas its not
I like 138 because it's numbered as part of 38. Same reason I like 120.
And New Jersey does a lot of that (122...). But I don't know if a 100-series number works for 50 miles of expressway. (For those who don't know, as Steve presumably does, this series is mostly used for old alignments that the state wants to maintain in the state system. 122 is the former Alt. US 22 in Phillipsburg; 183 is a short segment formerly part of US 206, which now bypasses the towns it runs through; 179 likewise is an old alignment of US 202 in an area where 202's now expressway.... They're mostly fairly short.)
Quote from: froggie on August 12, 2011, 06:52:54 PM
QuoteOne instance in this general area was way back when the PA Turnpike NE Extension was PA Route 9, and they promoted one of the reasons to change it to I-476 was to encourage truck traffic to use the pike.
Well there were other reasons for that change. Like at the time, only rural Interstates could be signed at 65 MPH. This is also the reason why the East-West Tollway in Illinois changed from IL 5 to I-88.
However, I-476 was extended
after the law was dumped. As such, that's not a reason at all for the change (as it was for I-88 back in the bad old NMSL days).
The only issue I have with that "interchange" is how the layout is done. Living in NJ for 15 years, the US130 on ramp to I-76/I-295 used to be a bigger nightmare some time ago (timing is a little fuzzy) but now it's just a bad headache. I'd like to see that cleaned up a little bit better since crossing over 5 lanes of traffic in about 1/4-1/2 mile is treacherous on that stretch.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 12, 2011, 10:36:52 PM
And New Jersey does a lot of that (122...).
The best is the former US 1-9 business becoming NJ 139 (i.e. NJ 1&9)
Quote from: Lightning Strike on August 15, 2011, 04:45:22 PM
The only issue I have with that "interchange" is how the layout is done. Living in NJ for 15 years, the US130 on ramp to I-76/I-295 used to be a bigger nightmare some time ago (timing is a little fuzzy) but now it's just a bad headache. I'd like to see that cleaned up a little bit better since crossing over 5 lanes of traffic in about 1/4-1/2 mile is treacherous on that stretch.
That entire interchange is being redesegined.
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/works/studies/rt295/
The Future I-295/I-76/NJ42 Interchange.
While they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike? Or would that make too much sense?
I don't think they will ever add an interchange there, just because of the fact that exit 3, Route 168 Black Horse Pike is nearby. It might add to the congestion if they try to add another exit that close, but who knows :-/ *shrug*
*edit*: getting from NJ 42 to NJ 168 to get on the turnpike, is not 100% driver-friendly to get to imo, so I would like to see a better exit.
I consider the link between I-76/NJ42 and the NJTP to be I-295. Take it north to I-195 and get on at NJTP exit 7 if you are going north. If you are going south, just stay on 295 itself as it heads to the same destination as the turnpike itself. Or if you want to really head onto the NJTP itself, take I-295 upto NJ73 and get on there.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PM
While they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike? Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.
Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 16, 2011, 03:57:18 PM
I consider the link between I-76/NJ42 and the NJTP to be I-295. Take it north to I-195 and get on at NJTP exit 7 if you are going north. If you are going south, just stay on 295 itself as it heads to the same destination as the turnpike itself. Or if you want to really head onto the NJTP itself, take I-295 upto NJ73 and get on there.
During rush hour, particularly if one is heading south its quicker to stay on the NJTP to Exit 3 as I-295 gets pretty busy. I usually make the left onto Browning Rd. and take that to Creek Rd.
QuoteHowever, I-476 was extended after the law was dumped.
According to Kurumi (http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix76.html), approval for extending I-476 was granted in April 1995. The law dumping NMSL wasn't signed until late that November.
Quote from: froggie on August 16, 2011, 08:31:38 PM
QuoteHowever, I-476 was extended after the law was dumped.
According to Kurumi (http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix76.html), approval for extending I-476 was granted in April 1995. The law dumping NMSL wasn't signed until late that November.
However, IIRC, the part restricting 65mph to interstates only was gone by then. I know that many non-interstate freeways in other states were 65mph by this time.
Quote from: Brandon on August 17, 2011, 07:41:43 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 16, 2011, 08:31:38 PM
QuoteHowever, I-476 was extended after the law was dumped.
According to Kurumi (http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix76.html), approval for extending I-476 was granted in April 1995. The law dumping NMSL wasn't signed until late that November.
However, IIRC, the part restricting 65mph to interstates only was gone by then. I know that many non-interstate freeways in other states were 65mph by this time.
Pennsylvania did not raise the maximum speed limit to 65 until July 13, 1995, but the I-476 designation wasn't officially extended until November 1, 1996.
One instance in this general area was way back when the PA Turnpike NE Extension was PA Route 9, and they promoted one of the reasons to change it to I-476 was to encourage truck traffic to use the pike.
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Some truth here. But I think you will find, trucks to/from Philly/S Jersey and OH and the Upper Midwest already using the NE Ext and avoiding the main line Tpk tolls. Even from PGH it is only about 30 miles longer then the main line Tpk
Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 01, 2011, 09:00:27 AM
I wonder how many people think its all the same road, 76/42/ACE. Its pretty seamless going from one to the other.
The news & traffic reporters ALWAYS refer to the Jersey stretch of I-76 as "Route 42" (much like New England news and traffic reporters still refer segments of I-95 and I-93 near Boston as 'Route 128'). As far as they're concerned I-76 does NOT exist in NJ.
Quote from: sammack on August 19, 2011, 09:59:54 PMOne instance in this general area was way back when the PA Turnpike NE Extension was PA Route 9, and they promoted one of the reasons to change it to I-476 was to encourage truck traffic to use the pike.
Personal take: Traffic along the NE Extension was bound to pick up once the I-476 Mid-County connection opened in 1992. I'm surprised that the NE Extension didn't receive the I-476 designation earlier than it did... before the Blue Route connection was made.
IMHO, its too bad the widening project only goes as far as Lansdale (Exit 31); it really should be widened all the way up to the Lehigh Valley (Exit 56) interchange. It's the only
continuous highway linking the Delaware Valley to the Lehigh valley regions.
@PHLBOS: The southern end of MA Route 128 is at the junction of I-93/I-95/US 1 in Canton, MA. MA Route 128 no longer exists on I-93/US 1 from there to the MA Route 3 split in Braintree.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 07, 2012, 06:58:24 PM
@PHLBOS: The southern end of MA Route 128 is at the junction of I-93/I-95/US 1 in Canton, MA. MA Route 128 no longer exists on I-93/US 1 from there to the MA Route 3 split in Braintree.
Yes, but the entire thing is still called 128.
The traffic people might still call it that once in a while. However, I was in this area on January 15th. Not one sign from the MA Route 3 split in Braintree to the I-95 junction in Canton said "128". There may have been one that read "I-93 South to I-95" and a "TO 128" sign with an arrow. To quote what it said at WikiPedia:
The south end of Route 128 is in Canton, where Interstate 95 heads south toward Providence, Rhode Island, just east of the Northeast Corridor's Route 128 Station. Common usage, as well as signs until 1997, continues Route 128 east along the first 7 miles (11 km) of Interstate 93 to the Braintree Split in Braintree, where I-93 turns north with Route 3 toward downtown Boston. This section of former Route 128 serves as the north end of Route 24 to Fall River. (Until 1965, Route 128 continued further, southeast along Route 3 and roughly north on Route 228 to Hull).
Getting back to I-76, it was sure confusing the last time I was at its eastern terminus in Camden. Usually, once I'm off of the Ben Franklin Bridge (US Route 30/I-676), I'll just head straight towards US Route 30 East and then connect to NJ Route 38 (Kaighn Avenue) in the Pennsauken area.
Not that Wikipedia is particularly reliable in these matters, but check the bit about "common usage".
Seeing as I already won't use "128" by itself like the locals do, and that it's not signed as such on that stretch anymore, I won't call it that. I won't even use "Boston Post Road" in Fairfield County, CT. I will only call it US Route 1 or "Route 1".
Sorry for straying off of topic. OK...back to southern New Jersey now! :)
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 07, 2012, 06:58:24 PM
@PHLBOS: The southern end of MA Route 128 is at the junction of I-93/I-95/US 1 in Canton, MA. MA Route 128 no longer exists on I-93/US 1 from there to the MA Route 3 split in Braintree.
I am VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT, thank you. I spent my first 24-1/2 years of my life residing in the Bay State and all my family still lives there. I moved out about a year after US 1 south of Boston was thrown on I-93 & 95 and 128 was truncated from Braintree to Canton. As a kid, I even remember when 128 from Gloucester to Braintree was just that, 128.
But listen to ANY of the news and traffic reporters in the Boston area (be it radio or TV) and they will STILL refer to that stretch of I-93 as Route 128.
Don't believe me, turn on WBZ radio (AM 1030) for proof; they usually do traffic on the 3s.
Anyway, back to New Jersey:
Quote from: Odysseus on August 06, 2011, 07:10:59 PM
One simple solution would be to make the Route 42 part of the Freeway and the Atlantic City Expressway NJ State Route 76. The whole thing wouldn't be an interstate, but at least it would all have the same route number, and it would all be marked East/West.
That probably would make the most sense; thereby making the whole North-South Freeway (that's what the street name is) and the AC X-way all one number would be more easier to expalin to an out-of-towner.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 08, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
Seeing as I already won't use "128" by itself like the locals do, and that it's not signed as such on that stretch anymore, I won't call it that. I won't even use "Boston Post Road" in Fairfield County, CT. I will only call it US Route 1 or "Route 1".
Sorry for straying off of topic. OK...back to southern New Jersey now! :)
Well, if you insist on sticking out like a sore thumb, go right ahead. We'll make fun of you for it.
After 9 1/2 years
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For fun, here's some signage for an extended I-76 to AC (and I-676 with mileage based exits in NJ and PA)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/23582406848_ed87931e5d_z.jpg)
I live in South Jersey, and absolutely HATE it. I-76 SHOULD extend to Atlantic City, with every exit number redesignated. For one, that state would either have to reconstruct the entire 42 Freeway, because it is NOT near standard. It would also either need HOT lanes, or a separate EZ Pass lane line in Atlanta on I-75. Philly/Jersey the only large metro area without this. Then, and this is a BIG one, an exit with the NJ Turnpike. That would have to be first. One CANNOT get from Turnersville/Deptford/Glassboro to North Jersey, without hitting a traffic light on Black Horse Pike, go through the middle of a truck stop in Bordentown, or drive down I-195. South Jerseys highway infrastructure is in shambles. Look at the highways in North Jersey. They have highways that can go from the Turnpike to EVERY crossing into NY.
Quote from: Alps on August 16, 2011, 08:08:40 PMQuote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PMWhile they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike? Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.
Nope. Go to North Jersey. Every highway connects to the GS Parkway and it parallels the Turnpike up there. And gets to EVERY crossing into NY. But you can't construct an exit in the same state to the 6th largest city in the country?? I'm not hearing that. NJTA and the NJDOT need to read all this.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 11, 2021, 09:40:53 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/23582406848_ed87931e5d_z.jpg)
I know this is 3 years old, but this is major dedication.
If Interstate 76 was going to ever be extended to Atlantic City, it would have been extended well before now. Although I agree 76 should end in Atlantic City, it will never happen.
Quote from: epzik8 on December 25, 2024, 12:14:23 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on August 11, 2021, 09:40:53 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/23582406848_ed87931e5d_z.jpg)
I know this is 3 years old, but this is major dedication.
I also appreciate it! I was also thinking about this: the Brigantine Connector should either become an eastern extension of I-76 as NJ 76 (retains the mileage of I-76), or should become a signed state route that serves as an I-76 auxiliary: e.g. NJ 176, NJ 376.
On a side note, NJ 42 could be re-extended back along NJ 168 if I-76 takes over the NJ 42 freeway.
Why doesn't anyone write about the GSP not having an interstate number south of I-195? I-195 could easily be continued from the GSP all the way down to Exit 0 of the Parkway. The only thing truly missing is upgrading the interchange between current 195, 34 and the GSP. South of this area, the Parkway would be nearly fully Interstate compliant. Other issues may be a lack of a full shoulder on the NB span of the Great Egg Harbor bridge, and a few access points from the left lane.
Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:27:24 AMI live in South Jersey, and absolutely HATE it. I-76 SHOULD extend to Atlantic City, with every exit number redesignated. For one, that state would either have to reconstruct the entire 42 Freeway, because it is NOT near standard. It would also either need HOT lanes, or a separate EZ Pass lane line in Atlanta on I-75. Philly/Jersey the only large metro area without this. Then, and this is a BIG one, an exit with the NJ Turnpike. That would have to be first. One CANNOT get from Turnersville/Deptford/Glassboro to North Jersey, without hitting a traffic light on Black Horse Pike, go through the middle of a truck stop in Bordentown, or drive down I-195. South Jerseys highway infrastructure is in shambles. Look at the highways in North Jersey. They have highways that can go from the Turnpike to EVERY crossing into NY.
The good news - the NJ Turnpike is considering an interchange with Rt. 42, either as part of the future widening of the Turnpike between Interchanges 1 - 4 or a separate project.
Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:31:08 AMQuote from: Alps on August 16, 2011, 08:08:40 PMQuote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PMWhile they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike? Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.
Nope. Go to North Jersey. Every highway connects to the GS Parkway and it parallels the Turnpike up there. And gets to EVERY crossing into NY. But you can't construct an exit in the same state to the 6th largest city in the country?? I'm not hearing that. NJTA and the NJDOT need to read all this.
Both departments are well aware of the desire to have this occur. Doesn't mean its easy or cheap.
Quote from: epzik8 on December 25, 2024, 12:14:23 PMQuote from: jp the roadgeek on August 11, 2021, 09:40:53 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/23582406848_ed87931e5d_z.jpg)
I know this is 3 years old, but this is major dedication.
Too bad it couldn't be made larger.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 26, 2024, 11:46:47 AMWhy doesn't anyone write about the GSP not having an interstate number south of I-195? I-195 could easily be continued from the GSP all the way down to Exit 0 of the Parkway. The only thing truly missing is upgrading the interchange between current 195, 34 and the GSP. South of this area, the Parkway would be nearly fully Interstate compliant. Other issues may be a lack of a full shoulder on the NB span of the Great Egg Harbor bridge, and a few access points from the left lane.
Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:27:24 AMI live in South Jersey, and absolutely HATE it. I-76 SHOULD extend to Atlantic City, with every exit number redesignated. For one, that state would either have to reconstruct the entire 42 Freeway, because it is NOT near standard. It would also either need HOT lanes, or a separate EZ Pass lane line in Atlanta on I-75. Philly/Jersey the only large metro area without this. Then, and this is a BIG one, an exit with the NJ Turnpike. That would have to be first. One CANNOT get from Turnersville/Deptford/Glassboro to North Jersey, without hitting a traffic light on Black Horse Pike, go through the middle of a truck stop in Bordentown, or drive down I-195. South Jerseys highway infrastructure is in shambles. Look at the highways in North Jersey. They have highways that can go from the Turnpike to EVERY crossing into NY.
The good news - the NJ Turnpike is considering an interchange with Rt. 42, either as part of the future widening of the Turnpike between Interchanges 1 - 4 or a separate project.
Quote from: InfamousMFD478 on December 25, 2024, 11:31:08 AMQuote from: Alps on August 16, 2011, 08:08:40 PMQuote from: Michael in Philly on August 16, 2011, 02:49:20 PMWhile they're at it, how about connecting 42 to the Turnpike? Or would that make too much sense?
Separate project because it would be paid for by the Tpk, as opposed to DOT/Feds. Also, it's over a mile south, beyond the Creek Rd. interchange. NJTA has looked into it, it would involve wetlands impacts in the NE quadrant of the crossing, and obviously would replace the existing Exit 3. More likely is an upgrade to Benigno Blvd., possibly up-posting to 35 mph+, to directly connect Exit 3 on the Tpk to Exit 14 on 42.
Nope. Go to North Jersey. Every highway connects to the GS Parkway and it parallels the Turnpike up there. And gets to EVERY crossing into NY. But you can't construct an exit in the same state to the 6th largest city in the country?? I'm not hearing that. NJTA and the NJDOT need to read all this.
Both departments are well aware of the desire to have this occur. Doesn't mean its easy or cheap.
I know that NJTA is 'considering' constructing an exit to 42. It should've been done to connect to 55 years ago. I'm just saying, they built a mall and 2 stadiums on top of a larger swamp in North Jersey, least NJDOT can do, is redo the terrible infrastructure in this part of the state, because it is sorry. I'm considering moving from here because I hate driving down here...
How would an interchange between NJ 700 (New Jersey Turnpike) and NJ 42 be constructed without conflicting with the reconstructed interchange with Interstates 76 and 295, (not to mention 42's Exit 14) and the northern terminus of NJ 55?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 01, 2025, 01:31:33 PMHow would an interchange between NJ 700 (New Jersey Turnpike) and NJ 42 be constructed without conflicting with the reconstructed interchange with Interstates 76 and 295, (not to mention 42's Exit 14) and the northern terminus of NJ 55?
I have heard that Route 55 was originally intended to terminate at the Turnpike's Exit 3 and to be serve as the connection with Route 42 from the Turnpike. If true, those plans could be dusted off.
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on January 02, 2025, 03:02:16 PMQuote from: The Ghostbuster on January 01, 2025, 01:31:33 PMHow would an interchange between NJ 700 (New Jersey Turnpike) and NJ 42 be constructed without conflicting with the reconstructed interchange with Interstates 76 and 295, (not to mention 42's Exit 14) and the northern terminus of NJ 55?
I have heard that Route 55 was originally intended to terminate at the Turnpike's Exit 3 and to be serve as the connection with Route 42 from the Turnpike. If true, those plans could be dusted off.
I think these are always rumored plans because of how easily it appears it could've been done. I've never seen anything showing there was any intention of 55 continuing to the Turnpike.
Even the originally built 55 didn't have its own dedicated lane onto 42 back in the mid-1980's. It merged from 2 lanes to 1 lane prior to the flyover bridge, then had a short merge into the 3 lane NJ 42. During a period of construction from 1995-1999, Rt. 42 was widened from 3 to 4 lanes in each direction, including new overpasses over the Turnpike and Big Timber Creek, finally giving 55 its own lane onto Rt. 42.
Any additional interchange there would likely require some sort of collector-distributor setup. Traffic is bad enough as it is, and adding another interchange in that close proximity would result in even more of a weaving mess.
NJ-42 itself is an oddity south of NJ-55. Its mostly untouched 1950s NJDOT freeway with a lot of original concrete.
For the ACE section which itself is the continuation of NJ 42 there's spots where it's not interstate standard. Upgrade those and then I-76 can be extended to AC via the current ACE exit 7 GSP Cape May NYC.
How cliche...
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on January 14, 2025, 11:02:31 PMFor the ACE section which itself is the continuation of NJ 42 there's spots where it's not interstate standard. Upgrade those and then I-76 can be extended to AC via the current ACE exit 7 GSP Cape May NYC.
NJ, including NJDOT and the toll authorities, have never indicated they desire an interstate number here, along with adding the NJ Turnpike from Interchanges 1-6, and the GSP from Cape May to I-195 to the Interstate ayatem.
All freeways don't need to be interstates. Look at NC and how it's gone with upgrading US routes to interstates.
NJ needs to focus on widening it's to overcrowded two lane highways as that's the concern. The ACE is fine handling traffic and posting an I-76 banner won't improve anything except to please us here.