I see that Business US 190 in Slidell, LA is another one of those business routes like Business 90 in New Orleans that is not really a business route. It is aligned through residential areas of town, while its mainline route is loaded with businesses. Plus it does not even return to its parent at its western end.
It ends at US 11 spite the fact it is supposed to run con-current with US 11 back to its parent route. Someone needs to let the State of Louisiana know how to sign roads.
Actually, Bus 90 in New Orleans can count as a business route because it connects the Westbank communities with downtown NOLA, and it connects with its parent at both ends.
Don't blame LaDOTD on this one...that was the Fed's call (and, I assume, AASHTO's too).
Anthony
US 79 in Magnolia, AR does almost the same thing. It only connects with the parent route once (south end of town), and terminates in downtown Magnolia @ US 82B and AR 355. The original US 79 would have continued on AR 355 (going thru the campus of Southern AR Univ.), then continuing on Columbia County Rd. 13 into McNeil. In McNeil, there is a wye that goes to the right (turning on to AR 98) which connects back with US 79.
ALT CR 511 in NJ turns the wrong way on US 202, ending at NJ 23 instead of at CR 511. You'd think an ALT would be an alternate. Business 1/9, when it existed, had the same problem in that it went through the Holland Tunnel and disappeared in Manhattan. But if you think about it, Interstate Business routes have both loops and spurs, so why can't a Business US (or state) route be a spur?
business "loop" 99 in Pixley, CA has its north terminus at this unfortunate cul-de-sac.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pixley+ca&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.406222,59.326172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pixley,+Tulare,+California&ll=35.97238,-119.291761&spn=0.007571,0.014484&z=16
the loop has not been signed since ... my estimate is the early 1960s, given the fact that the last surviving BUSINESS banner, extant as of 2006 but vanished sometime in 2007, was white and black, implying that it once shared a post with a US-99 shield!
but still... what a pathetic excuse for a northbound on-ramp!
Noticed this phenomenon for Business US 36 in Chillicothe, Mo. this past weekend. The business route does not touch the mainline on the western end. It basically ends at a residential street. In the example below it's shown as "Service Road" but it is posted as Business 36.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Chillicothe,+MO&aq=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.911557,78.925781&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Chillicothe,+Livingston,+Missouri&ll=39.768898,-93.582401&spn=0.036944,0.077076&z=14
I noticed something that is either new, or I missed it before. Again in Magnolia, AR I see that US 82B is not signed/multiplexed with US 371 anymore from where the 2 routes junction just east of my railroad crossing westward to where US 82 runs west to Texarkana. I wonder when AHTD decided this was a good idea? :confused: :hmmm:
Decommed Bus US 30 in Portland may get a pass... depending how you look at its western terminus.
Back in the days before the Fremont Bridge was built and US 30 had to actually enter downtown Portland to cross the Willamette over the Burnside Bridge, Bus US 30 began at (then) US 99E on Grand and (then) Union Aves, as US 30 went briefly north on US 99E to get onto the Banfield Expressway.
Bus US 30 continued on Burnside to Sandy Blvd, then along Sandy to Bypass US 30 and ended in Parkrose. Both ends, a US 30 of some kind.
After the Fremont Bridge's construction, US 30 prime was rerouted, causing a disconnect as Bus US 30 now terminated at (now) OR 99E. The only routing that would permit an easy reconnect would be extending Bus US 30 west into downtown and north along I-405 back to US 30. ODOT 'solved' the problem by killing Bus US 30.
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Bolivar and Harper's Ferry, WV: US 340A doesn't even bother trying. It splits off of US 340 as US 340 bypasses the two cities on its approach to enter both Virginia and Maryland and ends at Shenandoah St with no physical means to return to its parent.
Interestingly, the AASHTO submission shows an unsigned continuation (along old US 30?): http://www.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/Portland_OR_30.pdf
QuoteBolivar and Harper's Ferry, WV: US 340A doesn't even bother trying. It splits off of US 340 as US 340 bypasses the two cities on its approach to enter both Virginia and Maryland and ends at Shenandoah St with no physical means to return to its parent.
It should be noted that US 340A is not signed. And probably better that way.
BTW, Bick, not true on that last part. Shenandoah St connects back to US 340 just west of the Shenandoah River bridge.
On a technicality, Business US 62 in Rogers, AR didn't. Its north end was at US 62, but it's west end was at Business 71/AR 94. But 94 was 62 before it got rerouted along I-540.
But it's a moot point since Bus 62 got decommissioned late last year.
I-25 Business in Buffalo Wyoming starts north of I-25's northern terminus at I-90 and then runs south to I-25. It's even well signed!
Idaho 13 Business in Kooskia goes from Idaho 13 to US-12 without returning to Idaho 13.
Quote from: froggie on June 03, 2011, 08:35:34 AM
QuoteBolivar and Harper's Ferry, WV: US 340A doesn't even bother trying. It splits off of US 340 as US 340 bypasses the two cities on its approach to enter both Virginia and Maryland and ends at Shenandoah St with no physical means to return to its parent.
It should be noted that US 340A is not signed. And probably better that way.
BTW, Bick, not true on that last part. Shenandoah St connects back to US 340 just west of the Shenandoah River bridge.
Running east from Harper's Ferry or doubling back through the city?
Business US 275 in Fremont, NE may or may not return to the mainline. Signage doesn't indicate if it does. In fact, signage for the entire route is so spotty that it's practically useless as a business route. Presumably the route follows the old route of US 275 through the city before it was moved to an expressway bypass around the city. Its northern terminus would be at the US 30/US 77/US 275 interchange north of the city(although there is no signage there to indicate it). There are some signs for the route on Bell St, its main N-S component through the city. But on its southern end, there is no indication where it ends, and its not even clear where it would end. It could extend all the way to the NE 36 interchange with US 275 SE of the city, but there are no signs there or anywhere around there to indicate that's where it ends. The first sign that appears anywhere along the old route of US 275 S. of the city is northbound at Morningside Rd. One could presume by that sign that the route goes along Morningside Rd. to end at its interchange with US 275, but there is no signage at all to indicate that. NDOR does not officially recognize business routes, so the route logs don't help in identifying termini for the route either.
Quote from: NE2 on June 03, 2011, 03:42:46 AM
Interestingly, the AASHTO submission shows an unsigned continuation (along old US 30?): http://www.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/Portland_OR_30.pdf
Up NW 18th/19th Aves then west on Thurman. Pre-Fremont Bridge US 30. What's interesting is even with this routing, a reconnection to US 30 is still impossible with US 30 freeway's configuration.
In Michigan, BUS US-31 in Hart runs east from US-31 along Polk Rd and ends in downtown Hart.
BS I-196 in Grand Rapids ends at US-131 on its eastern end.
BS I-96 in Portland doesn't connect to I-96 west of Portland, even though there is a direct link between the western end of BS I-96 and I-96.
BUS US-31 in Ludington doesn't connect back to US-31 at its northern end. It just ends at US-10, which is the northern end to the US-31 freeway.
Quote from: ftballfan on June 03, 2011, 09:41:46 PM
In Michigan, BUS US-31 in Hart runs east from US-31 along Polk Rd and ends in downtown Hart.
BS I-196 in Grand Rapids ends at US-131 on its eastern end.
BS I-96 in Portland doesn't connect to I-96 west of Portland, even though there is a direct link between the western end of BS I-96 and I-96.
BUS US-31 in Ludington doesn't connect back to US-31 at its northern end. It just ends at US-10, which is the northern end to the US-31 freeway.
If I recall, the business spur for I-75 in Sault Ste. Marie doesn't come back to I-75 after it breaks off southwest of town, it ends...somewhere in town I think, but it doesn't come back to 75, since 75 ends at the International Bridge.
BL-35 in Laredo, TX is a spur, as it is its own crossing into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.
As a general rule, Business SPURS do not return to their parent. Business Spur I-44, for example, goes to Ft Leonard Wood.
Business US 62 in Niagara Falls has its' western end at NY 104 rather than US 62. However, it does have a legitimate excuse in that it was designated NY 62A until 2006.
Not sure how well signed the I-8 business route in San Diego is, but it terminates at Route 163/Cabrillo Freeway on its west end, not I-8. (This was where historic US 80 then continued south on today's Route 163 to downtown)
I believe, but am not positive, that the I-20 Business Loop in Florence, South Carolina, is a stub at the end of I-20 that doesn't return either to I-20 (sensible enough since that ends to the west of the city) or to I-95 (which I-20 meets just to the west of the city). It's been several years since I've been down there, but a check of a map indicates that the business route acts more or less as a trailblazer extension of I-20 for eastbound traffic heading to Florence.
That's because it's actually a business spur, not a loop.
I was in Morgan City, LA yesterday and found that Business US 90 is a spur and continues as LA 182 east of town.
Quote from: InterstateNG on June 08, 2011, 09:25:41 AM
That's because it's actually a business spur, not a loop.
it is, indeed, probably the truest example of a business spur on the interstate system. it continues straight as I-20 ends at I-95, making a perfect 180 degree angle with the road it shares a number with.
Quoteit is, indeed, probably the truest example of a business spur on the interstate system. it continues straight as I-20 ends at I-95, making a perfect 180 degree angle with the road it shares a number with.
BS-526 in Mt. Pleasant, SC would also fit that bill.
Not a business route, but since there've been a couple of Alternates mentioned, I figured I'd add this one in.
Bypass US 16 in Rapid City, SD, doesn't return to its parent because it's located at its eastern terminus. Mainline 16 runs through Rapid City to end at I-90. Bypass 16 bypasses it to the east and ends at a separate interchange a couple of miles further east.
South Carolina likes those (I-126, I-385, I-585 also have them, I believe).
Quote from: InterstateNG on June 08, 2011, 09:25:41 AM
That's because it's actually a business spur, not a loop.
Ah so. As I said, been awhile since I've been through there and I didn't recall that it was signed as a spur. But from looking at the map it makes eminent sense.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on June 08, 2011, 01:03:37 PM
Bypass US 16 in Rapid City, SD, doesn't return to its parent because it's located at its eastern terminus. Mainline 16 runs through Rapid City to end at I-90. Bypass 16 bypasses it to the east and ends at a separate interchange a couple of miles further east.
Of course, US 16 used to go much farther east into Minnesota and Wisconsin and I think that US 16 was duplexed with I-90 at the time it was decommissioned.
Also, even though it doesn't meet back up with the current alignment of US 16, it DOES still function as a bypass of Rapid City for traffic to the east and still, IMO, fulfills the function of its banner.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on June 08, 2011, 01:03:37 PM
Not a business route, but since there've been a couple of Alternates mentioned, I figured I'd add this one in.
Bypass US 16 in Rapid City, SD, doesn't return to its parent because it's located at its eastern terminus. Mainline 16 runs through Rapid City to end at I-90. Bypass 16 bypasses it to the east and ends at a separate interchange a couple of miles further east.
It's actually signed at least once along I-90 to the US-16 junction (believe it or not- I was shocked too when I saw it), so it does return to its parent
Quote from: mightyace on June 09, 2011, 02:28:56 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on June 08, 2011, 01:03:37 PM
Bypass US 16 in Rapid City, SD, doesn't return to its parent because it's located at its eastern terminus. Mainline 16 runs through Rapid City to end at I-90. Bypass 16 bypasses it to the east and ends at a separate interchange a couple of miles further east.
Of course, US 16 used to go much farther east into Minnesota and Wisconsin and I think that US 16 was duplexed with I-90 at the time it was decommissioned.
Also, even though it doesn't meet back up with the current alignment of US 16, it DOES still function as a bypass of Rapid City for traffic to the east and still, IMO, fulfills the function of its banner.
I knew this (did not know that it was signed along I-90 to end back at mainline 16, however), and it certainly does fulfill the purpose of a bypass. I did want to include it as a special case of a route not returning to its parent, though -- just because it doesn't return to its parent doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't serve its purpose.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 08, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: InterstateNG on June 08, 2011, 09:25:41 AM
That's because it's actually a business spur, not a loop.
it is, indeed, probably the truest example of a business spur on the interstate system. it continues straight as I-20 ends at I-95, making a perfect 180 degree angle with the road it shares a number with.
While I don't necessarily disagree that they should be signed as business spurs, I would disagree that they're the "truest examples" of such. A spur by definition should be a branch off a mainline, not an extension of it. The truest example of a business spur that I can think of off the top of my head is actually one that isn't signed as one... I-180 in Cheyenne. ;)