I wonder how many more out there besides these:
1. Ohio Hwy 49 becomes M-49 crossing into Michigan.
2. US-59 in Minnesota becomes Manitoba Hwy 59 crossing into the Dominion of Canada.
3. US-75 in Minnesota becomes Manitoba Hwy 75 crossing into Canada.
4. Minnesota Hwy 61 (originally US-61) becomes Ontario Hwy 61 crossing into Canada. :coffee:
Here we go-
Washington:
US-97 becomes BC-97
US-395 becomes BC-395
Washington 41 becomes Idaho 41 (hooray technicalities!)
Idaho:
Idaho 41 becomes Washington 41 (hooray technicalities!)
US-95 becomes BC-95
Idaho 200 becomes Montana 200 which becomes North Dakota 200 which becomes Minnesota 200
Idaho 87 becomes Montana 87
Wyoming:
Wyoming 59 becomes Montana 59
Wyoming 92 becomes Nebraska 92 becomes Iowa 92 becomes Illinois 92
Wyoming 150 becomes Utah 150
Arizona:
Arizona 264 becomes New Mexico 264
Arizona 78 becomes New Mexico 78
Arizona 80 becomes New Mexico 80 (old US 80)
Almost too many to count.
Certainly more than I realized. Don't know if this one counts today, but how about when US-99 became BC 99 in Canada? :coffee:
Every state route in Connecticut that ends at the state line is consistently numbered with the state route on the other side, if there is one. This is intentional.
The same can be said about Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
Quote from: Duke87 on September 04, 2011, 09:49:56 PM
Every state route in Connecticut that ends at the state line is consistently numbered with the state route on the other side, if there is one. This is intentional.
The same can be said about Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
Delaware and New Hampshire as well.
Quote from: Tom on September 04, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
Certainly more than I realized. Don't know if this one counts today, but how about when US-99 became BC 99 in Canada? :coffee:
Whenever a US highway crosses the international border into BC and MB (i believe), the highway number stays the same. Exception: US-281(most likely due because it's a 3du or because it ended there only since the 60s).
In my neck of the woods, there's IA-IL 64, IA-IL 136, IL-WI 35, IA-MO 27 (Avenue of the Saints), IA-MO-AR 5, and of course the aforementioned IL-IA-NE-WY 92.
Quote from: pianocello on September 04, 2011, 10:38:39 PM
Whenever a US highway crosses the international border into BC and MB (i believe), the highway number stays the same.
And formerly Quebec until they renumbered in the 1970s or so.
Oregon only has 2 state routes that keep their numbers when they leave the state: OR 52 and OR 140. Close on a third: OR 39 becomes CA 139
California...
CA-28 and NV-28
CA-88 and NV 88
CA-266 and NV-266
I think that's it.
Quote from: myosh_tino on September 05, 2011, 12:34:31 AM
California...
CA-28 and NV-28
CA-88 and NV 88
CA-266 and NV-266
I think that's it.
CA-139 becomes Oregon 39. Not the same but close enough.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on September 04, 2011, 09:58:52 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 04, 2011, 09:49:56 PM
Every state route in Connecticut that ends at the state line is consistently numbered with the state route on the other side, if there is one. This is intentional.
The same can be said about Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
Delaware and New Hampshire as well.
not sure what the rationale is for Delaware, but the other states have their route numbers based on the 1922 New England highway system, which preserved numbers across all those states.
Delaware certainly does not match all Maryland numbers (e.g. 1/528, 2/279, 6/291, 11/302). Most that do match were already signed in Maryland when Delaware finally assigned numbers in the mid-1930s.
Virginia does a pretty good job of matching, sometimes too good of a job: they renumbered 77 to 75 in 1940, expecting Tennessee to renumber 44 to 75 (http://www.virginiadot.org/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-10-1940-01.pdf p. 12).
Several I am familar with in upstate New York are:
NY 2/MA 2
NY 23/MA 23
NY 71/MA 71
NY 43/MA 43
NY 55/CT 55
NY 295/MA 295
NY 67/VT 67
NY 94/NJ 94
PA 17/NY 17/NJ 17
NY 313/VT 313
NY 343/CT 343
NY 14/PA 14
NJ 440/NY 440/NJ 440
NJ 495/NY 495
NY 149/VT 149
NY 346/VT 346
NY 74/VT 74
NY 120/CT 120
NY 120A/CT 120A
NY 35/CT 35
Nevada
NV 28 & CA 28
NV 88 & CA 88
NV 140 & OR 140
NV 266 & CA 266
Some former ones, changed on the Nevada side in the 1970s renumbering:
NV 30 & UT 30
NV 51 & ID 51
I think there's some official policy recommending this somewhere, either issued by AASHTO or in the MUTCD. If memory serves it even suggests it as an alternative to seeking a US route number.
Here's some OK highlights:
OK-152 becomes TX-152
OK-99 becomes K-99, which later becomes NE-99
OK-8 becomes K-8
OK-15 becomes TX-15
Quote from: xcellntbuy on September 05, 2011, 06:21:08 AM
NY 120/CT 120
Nope, NY 120 stays within New York state while CT 120 runs through Southington and Hartford.
He probably meant 120A.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on September 05, 2011, 06:21:08 AM
Several I am familar with in upstate New York are:
PA 17/NY 17/NJ 17
Due to I-86, PA 17 from Jamestown to I-90 has been decomissioned. There has been a new PA 17 routed in the SW corner of the state.
Quote from: NE2 on September 05, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
He probably meant 120A.
No, both 120/120 and 120A/120A were posted. As for CT 120A, it is somewhat unrecognized, as it is NYSDOT maintaned and the only CT 120A shields, some of which have been called erroneous, are posted at the Merrit Parkway offramps.
Quote from: newyorker478 on September 05, 2011, 09:58:02 AM
There has been a new PA 17 routed in the SW corner of the state.
Nope - it's north of Harrisburg, and it was always there as a dupe (like PA 97).
West Virginia has plenty. For one thing every bridge across the Ohio that is not a "real" route of some type is numbered as a 3dsr in both states. These would be:
WV/OH 527 (Huntington 6th Street) (this route follows city streets in Huntington to I-64)
WV/OH 833 (Pomeroy/Mason Bridge)
WV/OH 807 (St. Marys/Newport Bridge)
WV/OH 536 (unsigned in WV, New Martinsville Bridge)
WV/OH 872 (unsigned in WV, Moundsville Bridge)
The "real" ones would be:
WV 9 / VA 9
WV 16 / VA 16 / NC 16
WV 39 / VA 39
WV 43 / PA Turnpike 43 / PA 43
WV 83 / VA 83
WV 84 / VA 84
WV 102 / VA 102 (this road crosses the state line four times)
WV 218 / PA 218
WV 259 / VA 259 (this route "continues" as VA 259 at both ends, actually running from I-81 in Mauzy to US 50 in Gore, both in Virginia)
WV 311 / VA 311 (this route crosses the state line twice)
WV 598 / VA 598 (this is the pre-East River Tunnel US 52)
WV 638 / VA 635
WV 956 / MD 956
One odd one is Monongalia County 857 continues as PA 857. This is the route now bypassed by the new toll 43.
NY 5/PA 5
I-95/NB 95 (the only example I know of for an interstate keeping its number across an international boundary)
Quote from: deanej on September 05, 2011, 11:44:48 AM
I-95/NB 95 (the only example I know of for an interstate keeping its number across an international boundary)
the only one I know of as well. a lot of the older US/Canada border crossings keep the number of the US highway - even when the US route has been decommissioned. I-5 turns into BC-99, for example.
Quote from: newyorker478 on September 05, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 05, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
He probably meant 120A.
No, both 120/120 and 120A/120A were posted. As for CT 120A, it is somewhat unrecognized, as it is NYSDOT maintaned and the only CT 120A shields, some of which have been called erroneous, are posted at the Merrit Parkway offramps.
Here's one on Google Street View (15 SB at 120 NB): http://g.co/maps/wyzc
Quote from: deanej on September 05, 2011, 11:44:48 AM
NY 5/PA 5
I-95/NB 95 (the only example I know of for an interstate keeping its number across an international boundary)
I-29 becomes MB 29, but the latter is unsigned.
Quote from: kurumi on September 05, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: newyorker478 on September 05, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 05, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
He probably meant 120A.
No, both 120/120 and 120A/120A were posted. As for CT 120A, it is somewhat unrecognized, as it is NYSDOT maintaned and the only CT 120A shields, some of which have been called erroneous, are posted at the Merrit Parkway offramps.
Here's one on Google Street View (15 SB at 120 NB): http://g.co/maps/wyzc
I do believe that is the only CT 120A shield out there. Signs on the parkway proper use the New York shield, and there are one or two correct NY 120A shields within Connecticut, on the CT side of the portion that straddles the state line. There are no NY 120A shields on the parts completely within Connecticut (the turn onto/off of Gateway Lane is unsigned southbound and signed as TO NY 120/I-684 northbound). There are, however, reference markers.
Also, actual picture:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg143.imageshack.us%2Fimg143%2F9450%2Fct120a.jpg&hash=a1b1a7d3047bdbbe4047fe7367583d0bce390823)
Only example I know is LA/TX 12 between Vidor, TX and Dequincy, LA.
Anthony
Quote from: Duke87 on September 04, 2011, 09:49:56 PM
Every state route in Connecticut that ends at the state line is consistently numbered with the state route on the other side, if there is one. This is intentional.
The same can be said about Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
Except the rare case where the road is not a numbered route at all on the other side of the border. MA 31 is not numbered when it enters CT. CT 272 is not numbered in MA. NH 123 is not numbered in MA. But generally, in the northeast there is good concurrence over state lines. The largest/most confusing exception is where VT 9 becomes NY 7.
MA 7A becomes unsigned SR 832 in Connecticut.
WA/OR 433 (signed as WA 433 on the Oregon side of the bridge).
OR/WA 35 (unofficial, as OR 35 doesn't cross onto the Hood River Bridge and was proposed by WSDOT for a better crossing over the Columbia).
Quote from: Bickendan on September 06, 2011, 01:17:25 AM
WA/OR 433 (signed as WA 433 on the Oregon side of the bridge).
http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/TRAFFIC-ROADWAY/docs/pdf/Descriptions_of_US_and_Oregon_Routes.pdf doesn't list OR 433.
ODOT doesn't recognize 433. It's a Washington route the entire length of the Lewis and Clark Bridge.
ODOT treats their portion as a ramp. So they sign it as a ramp to SR 433. Nothing strange about that.
Quote from: Bickendan on September 06, 2011, 01:50:13 AM
ODOT doesn't recognize 433. It's a Washington route the entire length of the Lewis and Clark Bridge.
It's odd they don't, since on the other end of the state ODOT does sign the extremely short OR 52 to meet its Idaho counterpart. But that might just be because that route was originally on the state route system as OR 90 and so has always been signed as something. Plus it's a little longer than the L & C Bridge stub.
Honestly, WA 433 is pretty pointless now, too, since it was curtailed to the Industrial Way intersection just north of the bridge when WA 432 was moved to Industrial Way in the early '90's.
US 57 & MX 57, Eagle Pass TX
Quote from: national highway 1 on September 06, 2011, 04:56:05 AM
US 57 & MX 57, Eagle Pass TX
that's about the only example I know of where the US changed a route number (it used to be Texas state route something-or-another) to match that of another country.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on September 06, 2011, 04:56:05 AM
US 57 & MX 57, Eagle Pass TX
that's about the only example I know of where the US changed a route number (it used to be Texas state route something-or-another) to match that of another country.
Texas actually changed the number to 57 (I think it had been 78) before it became a U.S. Highway.
Right off the top of my head:
NC/VA 87
NC/VA 14
NC/SC 18
NC/SC 49
NC/SC 51
SC/GA/NC 28
NC/SC 107
VA/NC-8
VA/NC-16
VA/NC-32
VA/NC-35
VA/NC-46
VA/NC/SC-49
VA/NC-62
VA/NC-86
VA/NC-87
VA/NC-89
VA/NC-96
VA/NC-103
VA/NC-119
VA/NC-168
VA/NC-186
NC-615 becomes a Virginia secondary route numbered 615.
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 01:57:20 AM
ODOT treats their portion as a ramp. So they sign it as a ramp to SR 433. Nothing strange about that.
It's not signed as 'To SR 433' on the Oregon side; it's outright signed as 'North SR 433'.
In Nebraska, there are 28 state routes that cross into another state. 12 of them keep the same number in the next state: NE/IA 2, NE/IA 370, NE/IA 92(also concurrent with US 275), NE/SD 71(NE 2 ends at the SD border), NE/WY 92, NE/KS 99, NE/KS 15, NE/KS 14, NE/KS 25, NE/KS 27, NE/CO 23, and NE/CO 71.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 06, 2011, 01:11:57 PM
NC-615 becomes a Virginia secondary route numbered 615.
That was the case before Princess Anne County became part of the independent city of Virginia Beach, which maintains its own roads and thus does not number secondary routes. There is one erroneous VA 615 shield though I believe.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 06, 2011, 01:11:57 PM
NC-615 becomes a Virginia secondary route numbered 615.
this seems more like NC adopting a Virginia-style number. Virginia has 6xx for its secondaries, while NC has only four 6xx routes, with no discernible pattern to their numbering.
Quote from: Bickendan on September 06, 2011, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 01:57:20 AM
ODOT treats their portion as a ramp. So they sign it as a ramp to SR 433. Nothing strange about that.
It's not signed as 'To SR 433' on the Oregon side; it's outright signed as 'North SR 433'.
Yes. There is only one 433 shield in Oregon, but it's definitely a 433 shield and it's definitely in Oregon
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidjcorcoran.com%2Fsr433oregon.JPG&hash=a709602ac204613e4f517ed6cf232473f034b5d7)
It should be noted that the junction US-30 signage on southbound 433 is definitely ODOT standard
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidjcorcoran.com%2Fhighways%2F433%2Forto30%2F1.JPG&hash=6df868826d0bc7b25883ff0535d19ecf8799dd81)
I'm unsure whose jurisdiction it falls into- the only real indication that it's State Route 433 is that lone shield- WSDOT ends the mileposting in the middle of the bridge. I've always considered it part of SR 433 for technical purposes- I wouldn't have considered myself having clinched the entire Washington highway system unless I drove the entire length of the bridge, but I'm pretty sure ODOT maintains the surface roads on the Oregon side. As far as I'm concerned, it's an ODOT maintained Washington state highway, but more because that's the easiest answer.
Quote from: Bickendan on September 06, 2011, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 01:57:20 AM
ODOT treats their portion as a ramp. So they sign it as a ramp to SR 433. Nothing strange about that.
It's not signed as 'To SR 433' on the Oregon side; it's outright signed as 'North SR 433'.
Just like any other ramp. You don't see "to I-5 north" on a ramp that goes directly to I-5 north.
No, you wouldn't see 'To North I-5' on a ramp; ramps as a rule don't have signs. As for the ramp intersections, they'll have the directional signs.
<----
North
I-5
What I mean is the picture corco posted above.
Aside from the Nebraska-Kansas (14, 15, 25, 27, 99) and Oklahoma-Kansas (8, 99) highways already mentioned , there's also:
K-92 --> MO 92
K-171 --> MO 171 (Which once was K-57 --> MO 57)
K-66 --> MO 66
K-126 --> MO 126
K-52 --> MO 52
K-23 --> OK 23 (Making a KS-OK-TX multi-state 23)
K-96 --> CO 96 (and once also MO 96)
MO 80 used to be part of a tri-state route with KY 80 and VA 80 but I think the ferry connection was severed decades ago (not sure when though).
Every Kentucky state road that I know of that crosses the state line changes.
Quote from: ClarkE on October 26, 2011, 03:34:52 AM
Every Kentucky state road that I know of that crosses the state line changes.
Not KY/VA 80 or 160.
US 71 becomes Ontario 71 :)
WI-16 becomes MN-16 after crossing the Mississippi. Of course, that was the old US-16 at one time.
VA/NC 93
VA/TN 70
VA/TN 91
Quote from: ClarkE on October 26, 2011, 03:34:52 AM
Every Kentucky state road that I know of that crosses the state line changes.
We have two that are consistent, those being KY 80 and KY 160 that each keeps its number when it crosses into Virginia.
AR 5 becomes MO 5
AR 37 becomes MO 37
(though actually changed from AR 47 in the 1980's)
AR 43 becomes MO 43
DE 54 and MD 54 are the same road in portions as it straddles the State Line in some parts.
I do not know if there is a NJ 413 anymore, but it was continuous of PA 413. NJ 413 shields were removed for TO PA 413 shields.
It only is or was less than a mile to connect US 130 to the Bristol Bridge.
A few former VA crossings that matched:
VA/NC 104 (VA side was downgraded c. 1950)
VA/NC 170 (now VA/NC 168)
VA/NC 195 (became VA/NC 186 when I-195 was created)
VA/WV 59 (no longer primary on either side)
VA/MD 17 (VA 17 was rerouted, now VA 287)
As far as I know, NJ 413 still exists, it's just signed in a way that's probably more meaningful to motorists.
I just clinched the western end of QC-148, which ends into ON-148 in Pembroke. However, ON-148 it just a short link to ON-41 and ON-17.