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Title: MUTCD fun
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2011, 07:19:31 PM
Just playing around with some combinations of signs...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alpsroads/6125007981/in/photostream
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: Quillz on September 07, 2011, 07:22:00 PM
You'd think the MUTCD would just move to vectors instead of "high resolution graphics."

Regardless, fun signs. I especially like the "100 mph" speed hump.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: mjb2002 on September 07, 2011, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 07, 2011, 07:19:31 PM
Just playing around with some combinations of signs...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alpsroads/6125007981/in/photostream

How'd you do that?
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: Quillz on September 07, 2011, 07:38:49 PM
Quote from: mjb2002 on September 07, 2011, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 07, 2011, 07:19:31 PM
Just playing around with some combinations of signs...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alpsroads/6125007981/in/photostream
How'd you do that?
Probably a fairly simple Photoshop job, or if you have vectors, can just put your own text on the signs in Illustrator.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: Duke87 on September 07, 2011, 09:07:30 PM
DEAD
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STRICTLY
ENFORCED


Is it allowed to put regulatory panels under warning signs?
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
One lane bridge 35 mph is totally reasonable if it's on a four-lane divided highway and your side narrows to one lane.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2011, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 07, 2011, 09:07:30 PM
DEAD
END

STRICTLY
ENFORCED


Is it allowed to put regulatory panels under warning signs?

MUTCD tends to not disallow these things explicitly, leaving it up to highway agencies' good judgment.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: vdeane on September 08, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
One lane bridge 35 mph is totally reasonable if it's on a four-lane divided highway and your side narrows to one lane.
Doesn't "one lane bridge" mean one lane TOTAL, ie you're sharing it with traffic in the other direction?
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: NE2 on September 08, 2011, 07:41:46 AM
Quote from: deanej on September 08, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
One lane bridge 35 mph is totally reasonable if it's on a four-lane divided highway and your side narrows to one lane.
Doesn't "one lane bridge" mean one lane TOTAL, ie you're sharing it with traffic in the other direction?

You're right ("should be used on low-volume two-way roadways"). Though that doesn't mean a DOT wouldn't use it.

I could also see 35 mph on a one-lane bridge with excellent visibility and low traffic.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: US71 on September 08, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Quote from: deanej on September 08, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
One lane bridge 35 mph is totally reasonable if it's on a four-lane divided highway and your side narrows to one lane.
Doesn't "one lane bridge" mean one lane TOTAL, ie you're sharing it with traffic in the other direction?

Not always. Alt US 71 used to have a pair of one lane bridges in the SB lanes about a mile north of I-44. They were built circa 1926 and were/are 2 Lane bridges, but not wide enough for 2 lanes of high speed traffic, so were made into One Lane bridges.

After new bridges were built in 1990, the old bridges reverted back to 2 Lanes along an Outer Road.

http://bridgehunter.com/mo/jasper/bh39971/
http://bridgehunter.com/mo/jasper/bh39972/
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: J N Winkler on September 08, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
Quote from: Quillz on September 07, 2011, 07:22:00 PMYou'd think the MUTCD would just move to vectors instead of "high resolution graphics."

As far as I know, all of the MUTCD-related PDFs on FHWA's MUTCD website have used vectors since MUTCD 2003 at least.  If they are calling them "high-resolution graphics," I suspect that is because they don't want to confuse casual visitors with the distinction between raster versus vector.  The MUTCD has to be accessible to a wide range of practitioners, some of whom are not very smart.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: NE2 on September 08, 2011, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: US71 on September 08, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Quote from: deanej on September 08, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
One lane bridge 35 mph is totally reasonable if it's on a four-lane divided highway and your side narrows to one lane.
Doesn't "one lane bridge" mean one lane TOTAL, ie you're sharing it with traffic in the other direction?

Not always. Alt US 71 used to have a pair of one lane bridges in the SB lanes about a mile north of I-44. They were built circa 1926 and were/are 2 Lane bridges, but not wide enough for 2 lanes of high speed traffic, so were made into One Lane bridges.
Were they signed with 'one lane bridge' signs? That's what's being discussed here.
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: US71 on September 08, 2011, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 08, 2011, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: US71 on September 08, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
Quote from: deanej on September 08, 2011, 07:24:27 AM
Quote from: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
One lane bridge 35 mph is totally reasonable if it's on a four-lane divided highway and your side narrows to one lane.
Doesn't "one lane bridge" mean one lane TOTAL, ie you're sharing it with traffic in the other direction?

Not always. Alt US 71 used to have a pair of one lane bridges in the SB lanes about a mile north of I-44. They were built circa 1926 and were/are 2 Lane bridges, but not wide enough for 2 lanes of high speed traffic, so were made into One Lane bridges.
Were they signed with 'one lane bridge' signs? That's what's being discussed here.


Actually, YES they were.   :)
Title: Re: MUTCD fun
Post by: mtantillo on September 08, 2011, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 08, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
Quote from: Quillz on September 07, 2011, 07:22:00 PMYou'd think the MUTCD would just move to vectors instead of "high resolution graphics."

As far as I know, all of the MUTCD-related PDFs on FHWA's MUTCD website have used vectors since MUTCD 2003 at least.  If they are calling them "high-resolution graphics," I suspect that is because they don't want to confuse casual visitors with the distinction between raster versus vector.  The MUTCD has to be accessible to a wide range of practitioners, some of whom are not very smart.

The original MUTCD graphics are all in *.eps format. 

Most practitioners who use the MUTCD (1/3 traffic professionals, and 2/3 lawyers according to ITE hard copy sales stats) do not care about how the graphics work, they just want to click on the file and have it open!