I was getting onto I-87 south from McLean Ave. in Yonkers just now...as I crossed the NYC line and thus the terminus of the Thruway, right there beside the highway was a "Bronx County" boundary sign. It's in Clearview, and notably refers to the county only, not the city or borough (there have long been signs for those entities, erected by NYCDOT I believe).
I'm assuming this is a NYSTA installation...and the only reason I could think of for them posting the county name is that perhaps they're finally posting all counties on the Thruway? Can anybody confirm or deny?
Your guess is as good as mine, but couldn't it just as easily be the state DOT? Are you still on the Thruway at that point? (But I grew up in North Jersey and don't think I've ever seen one of the boroughs of New York City signed by its county name.)
This is right where the Thruway ends and becomes the Major Deegan Expressway. I believe the Deegan is state-owned but expressway signage in NYC is often done by the city...and while NYCDOT does use Clearview now on street signs, I don't think I've ever seen the state use Clearview, which is why I thought Thruway. Then again, they have been resurfacing the Deegan lately; don't know if that's a city or state project but it's possible new signage went up as part of that, although I haven't noticed new signage elsewhere along the project.
No county line signs when I drove from Syracuse to Buffalo a few weeks ago.
I took a quick trip today and snapped this photo of the sign:
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That's right at the NYC/Westchester line...the truck is in NYC and I'm in Yonkers (at least going by the pavement change, which isn't visible). You can see that the Bronx County sign is actually blocking the zero mile marker of the Thruway; right beyond is the first NYSDOT reference marker for the Deegan Expwy. (On the gantry in the background is the small green city line sign that's always been there.) There's no corresponding northbound sign for Westchester County here.
My jaunt next involved the Bronx River Parkway in Westchester County, which is county-maintained and is now sporting a bunch of brand-new Clearview signage, including a county line sign, which this time is worded "County of Westchester". Ah ha! The sign in my photo is located between I-87 and its southbound frontage road, the latter of which is a Westchester County road (Central Park Ave.) up to the city line. Perhaps that's our answer!
Wait, not so fast...I then hopped over to the New England Thruway where it crosses the Westchester/Bronx County line, and that is marked in both directions with signs just like in the photo, wording and all. So, it definitely is a Thruway installation :clap: (there's no jurisdiction change on the NE Thruway at the county line). The question then is, are these signs appearing anywhere else along the Thruway? H.B. says not as of a few weeks ago, and the Bronx County sign wasn't there either within that timeframe, so this is very recent, within a week or two at most.
Make no mistake! I'm thrilled to see this sign being posted and I hope the Thruway Authority follows through with posting all the other county lines. With that being said, I think this sign qualifies for the "worst of road signs" thread. It's absolutely hideous. :ded:
Saw the same exact sign on the New England Thruway so yes i think it is a Thruway authority work.
Riding north towards Albany at the moment. No county signs to speak of as of right now. That'd be great if they were really going through with this.
I seem to recall the city line being signed in both directions on the NE Thurway for some reason. The transition between NYCDOT and NYSTA maintained roadways used to be quite noticeable before the 2004 reconstruction of the Bruckner, don't know if it is now as I haven't been that way since then.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on October 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
I seem to recall the city line being signed in both directions on the NE Thurway for some reason. The transition between NYCDOT and NYSTA maintained roadways used to be quite noticeable before the 2004 reconstruction of the Bruckner, don't know if it is now as I haven't been that way since then.
Do you mean that is was signed for the city name rather than the county, as I saw it? There have long been (and still are) signs referring to entering NY city on both Thruways, but the county signs are new.
I have also seen on both the Garden State Parkway section and I-287 coming from New Jersey, new signs(aside from welcome signs) that say "New York state line" and "New Jersey state line" all the in the Thruway clearview font. Still no new county line signs being posted north of there, but here's hoping they'll get to it.
Quote from: empirestate on October 02, 2011, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on October 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
I seem to recall the city line being signed in both directions on the NE Thurway for some reason. The transition between NYCDOT and NYSTA maintained roadways used to be quite noticeable before the 2004 reconstruction of the Bruckner, don't know if it is now as I haven't been that way since then.
Do you mean that is was signed for the city name rather than the county, as I saw it? There have long been (and still are) signs referring to entering NY city on both Thruways, but the county signs are new.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=New+Rochelle,+NY&hl=en&ll=40.886005,-73.805337&spn=0.021349,0.033817&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.553578,69.257812&vpsrc=6&hnear=New+Rochelle,+Westchester,+New+York&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=40.886084,-73.805033&panoid=xWuTWUDeIjq-FTWedZHBaw&cbp=12,109.45,,0,16
There was and still is a "Westchester County" sign on the NE Thruway heading north. Looks to be NYSDOT style too.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on October 18, 2011, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: empirestate on October 02, 2011, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on October 02, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
I seem to recall the city line being signed in both directions on the NE Thurway for some reason. The transition between NYCDOT and NYSTA maintained roadways used to be quite noticeable before the 2004 reconstruction of the Bruckner, don't know if it is now as I haven't been that way since then.
Do you mean that is was signed for the city name rather than the county, as I saw it? There have long been (and still are) signs referring to entering NY city on both Thruways, but the county signs are new.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=New+Rochelle,+NY&hl=en&ll=40.886005,-73.805337&spn=0.021349,0.033817&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.553578,69.257812&vpsrc=6&hnear=New+Rochelle,+Westchester,+New+York&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=40.886084,-73.805033&panoid=xWuTWUDeIjq-FTWedZHBaw&cbp=12,109.45,,0,16
There was and still is a "Westchester County" sign on the NE Thruway heading north. Looks to be NYSDOT style too.
Interesting...that does look like NYSDOT, and has now definitely been replaced by the Clearview version as in my example.
Also interesting...I found the ostensible northbound counterpart on the I-87 mainline.
http://g.co/maps/2q3p7
That's definitively on the service road, Central Park Ave., a county highway. It's been replaced recently with a weird-looking mixed-case FHWA sign that would probably qualify for the "Worst of..." thread. Most notably, however, is that it's posted well inside the county line, at the ramp from the service road to Hall Place.
[On a side note, when I was a younger Maphead I used to have grand imaginings about what the beginning of the Thruway must be like, down there at the pearly gates of New York City, and what kind of majestic boulevard Hall Place surely was, being Exit 1 on this grandest of super-highways... Boy was I wrong!]
Quote from: empirestate on October 01, 2011, 04:51:57 PM
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That's right at the NYC/Westchester line...the truck is in NYC and I'm in Yonkers (at least going by the pavement change, which isn't visible). You can see that the Bronx County sign is actually blocking the zero mile marker of the Thruway; right beyond is the first NYSDOT reference marker for the Deegan Expwy. (On the gantry in the background is the small green city line sign that's always been there.) There's no corresponding northbound sign for Westchester County here.
UPDATE: There is now a northbound counterpart to this sign, for Westchester County on the NB Thruway mainline right at its terminus (in other words, just to the left of this photo). In fact, it shares an assembly with the zero milepost. That's in addition to the one farther north on Central Park Ave.
This looks to have been done along with more signage upgrades; the first 5 exits are now almost all Clearview signage (but only on the mainline; signs along the service road/Central Park Ave. are still old-school). There's even a NYSTA Clearview sign for the 233rd St. exit in the Bronx; it has no exit tab.
Quote from: empirestate on November 15, 2011, 05:23:29 PM
This looks to have been done along with more signage upgrades; the first 5 exits are now almost all Clearview signage (but only on the mainline; signs along the service road/Central Park Ave. are still old-school).
So I guess it means the demise of this sign:
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:-(
Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 15, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
So I guess it means the demise of this sign:
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:-(
Yup, that's gone. And I'm not sure I recall seeing a replacement sign on that particular overpass.
Quote from: empirestate on October 18, 2011, 11:57:12 AM
That's definitively on the service road, Central Park Ave., a county highway. It's been replaced recently with a weird-looking mixed-case FHWA sign that would probably qualify for the "Worst of..." thread. Most notably, however, is that it's posted well inside the county line, at the ramp from the service road to Hall Place.
Mixed case is a requirement for ground mounted signs now. Its a bit weird to see in NJ as NJDOT always used uppercase on mileage signs (Someplace XX MI) and smaller ground mounted LGSes for jughandles and exits off of arterials.
That Exit 5 sign has the illusion that its going to fall off of that overpass!
I'll have to make sure to pay attention to whether they added any in the Syracuse-Rochester corridor (especially exits 39-40, which they should have just finished in September).
Quote from: empirestate on November 15, 2011, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 15, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
So I guess it means the demise of this sign:
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:-(
Yup, that's gone. And I'm not sure I recall seeing a replacement sign on that particular overpass.
Well, now, on a second passing, that sign seems to still be there...it was night and in my rearview mirror, but I believe I spotted it; there is at least *a* sign there.
Where there are not signs, would be at the Rockland/Westchester and Rockland/Orange county lines, at the moment. The first is on the Tappan Zee Bridge, which of course has more pressing issues than whether county lines are posted, and the second is in the midst of two work zones. Notably, there is no Clearview signage yet between exits 5 and 16 (except the overpass identifiers at the I-287/Exit 15 flyovers). I wonder if we can expect county line signs to appear alongside future upgrades to Clearview?
Quote from: empirestate on November 20, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Where there are not signs, would be at the Rockland/Westchester and Rockland/Orange county lines, at the moment. The first is on the Tappan Zee Bridge, which of course has more pressing issues than whether county lines are posted
Not a "sign", per se, but there's been a marker denoting the county line on the Tappan Zee Bridge on the side of the guardrail since forever.
Quote from: deanej on November 16, 2011, 10:59:27 AM
I'll have to make sure to pay attention to whether they added any in the Syracuse-Rochester corridor (especially exits 39-40, which they should have just finished in September).
Nothing new; I just drove through there last week.
Yeah, no county route shields. What I've seen of the exit 39 signs heading west (couldn't tell well; was heading east) is that they looked both new and not in clearview.
Quote from: deanej on November 23, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
Yeah, no county route shields. What I've seen of the exit 39 signs heading west (couldn't tell well; was heading east) is that they looked both new and not in clearview.
I wouldn't expect to see any county shields in that stretch...only ones on the whole system is the Onondaga CR 57 shield at Exit 38. Or are you saying those are gone??
No, I mis-typed. No county line signs is what I meant. Exit 38 signs are the same as they've always been.
Ah, I see. Well, we'll all keep our eyes peeled!
Quote from: empirestate on November 20, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Well, now, on a second passing, that sign seems to still be there...it was night and in my rearview mirror, but I believe I spotted it; there is at least *a* sign there.
Just drove by here this afternoon. The sign has been replaced with Clearview. :-/
Quote from: PennDOTFan on November 27, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: empirestate on November 20, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Well, now, on a second passing, that sign seems to still be there...it was night and in my rearview mirror, but I believe I spotted it; there is at least *a* sign there.
Just drove by here this afternoon. The sign has been replaced with Clearview. :-/
Yes, I finally got a good look at it and can confirm the same.
The Thruway doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason as to how they replace signs in an area unless it's a really big project. A few years ago they replaced the WB approach sign for Exit 31 to show Utica/Rome as the destination, but they didn't replace the sign at the ramp, that just shows Utica. Now that the Utica/Rome 1 mile sign has white paint splashed all over the bottom of it I'm curious to see if they replace both signs or just that sign. I sent them an email quite a few years ago regarding this and they said they were going to replace the other sign but they haven't.
As far as county line signs go, I don't think we'll see them upstate anytime soon. The Thruway authority has repeatedly told me that motorists don't really care as to what county they're in (even though I pointed out that National Weather Services alerts are based on county) and they've offered to send me a map a couple of times. In addition, they said that if they posted county lines they would also have to post every village, town and city boundary as well and that's not in their budget. I don't know why they think they'd have to post every other political boundary if they posted county lines but again that's why I never worked for NYSDOT, I don't get many aspects of governmental agencies.
Toll roads tend to save on costs wherever they can (after all gotta keep the bond holders happy). Here in NJ, the NJ Turnpike doesn't have county or municipal boundaries marked. The Garden State Parkway marks county lines, a legacy from the NJ Highway Authority days. Tax supported NJDOT however marks every municipal boundary a state highway crosses. Its quite a few signs considering there are 566 municipalities and some highways can straddle a border, repeatedly crossing between towns.
But NJDOT doesn't mark county lines...
Quote from: upstatenyroads on December 05, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
The Thruway doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason as to how they replace signs in an area unless it's a really big project.
You can say that again. Thankfully there are only a couple clearview signs on the part I'm regularly on, both in the Syracuse area.
I saw the mentions of the county line signs involving Westchester and Bronx Counties, New York. On a semi-related note, there's now a cheesy sign, reading as:
New York
State Line
along I-95 South, on the Greenwich, CT side of the Byram River bridge. This, despite the fact that the state line is actually in the middle of the span, with a New England Thruway "NE 15" mile marker literally about 1 foot south of the real line. The big green welcome sign is still on the Port Chester side, between the bridge and Exit 21 for I-287 West. As far as I know, there's still only the one Connecticut welcome sign from ConnDOT on the Greenwich side.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on December 05, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
The Thruway doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason as to how they replace signs in an area unless it's a really big project. A few years ago they replaced the WB approach sign for Exit 31 to show Utica/Rome as the destination, but they didn't replace the sign at the ramp, that just shows Utica. Now that the Utica/Rome 1 mile sign has white paint splashed all over the bottom of it I'm curious to see if they replace both signs or just that sign. I sent them an email quite a few years ago regarding this and they said they were going to replace the other sign but they haven't.
Well they replaced the Exit 31 Utica/Rome 1 mile approach sign because of the white paint splattered all over the old one. White on green lettering is in Clearview but the route markers are in Series D. Even the NY 8 and NY 12 shields are in Series D (instead of Series F), per the latest version of the NYS MUTCD Supplement.
The panel at the beginning of the exit ramp is unchanged and still only lists Utica, contrary to the approach panel that says "Utica / Rome" (on different lines).
J.P.
Quote from: Snappyjack on October 05, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
I have also seen on both the Garden State Parkway section and I-287 coming from New Jersey, new signs(aside from welcome signs) that say "New York state line" and "New Jersey state line" all the in the Thruway clearview font. Still no new county line signs being posted north of there, but here's hoping they'll get to it.
Saw that New Jersey State line sign this summer and what makes that sign interesting is that the NYSTA placed their clearview state line sign on top of a NJDOT municipal boundary sign
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 05, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Toll roads tend to save on costs wherever they can (after all gotta keep the bond holders happy). Here in NJ, the NJ Turnpike doesn't have county or municipal boundaries marked. The Garden State Parkway marks county lines, a legacy from the NJ Highway Authority days. Tax supported NJDOT however marks every municipal boundary a state highway crosses. Its quite a few signs considering there are 566 municipalities and some highways can straddle a border, repeatedly crossing between towns.
MdTA usually marks county line with signs - if for no other reason than so police know what county to write on a traffic citation or summons.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 31, 2013, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 05, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Toll roads tend to save on costs wherever they can (after all gotta keep the bond holders happy). Here in NJ, the NJ Turnpike doesn't have county or municipal boundaries marked. The Garden State Parkway marks county lines, a legacy from the NJ Highway Authority days. Tax supported NJDOT however marks every municipal boundary a state highway crosses. Its quite a few signs considering there are 566 municipalities and some highways can straddle a border, repeatedly crossing between towns.
MdTA usually marks county line with signs - if for no other reason than so police know what county to write on a traffic citation or summons.
Seems like that was made obsolete with smart phone.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on December 05, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
Toll roads tend to save on costs wherever they can (after all gotta keep the bond holders happy). Here in NJ, the NJ Turnpike doesn't have county or municipal boundaries marked. The Garden State Parkway marks county lines, a legacy from the NJ Highway Authority days. Tax supported NJDOT however marks every municipal boundary a state highway crosses. Its quite a few signs considering there are 566 municipalities and some highways can straddle a border, repeatedly crossing between towns.
Interesting observation about New Jersey. It was all redone in the 90's to include the type of corporation as before you seen just "Entering XXX" as supposed to now it saying "Entering Borough of XXX" or "Entering Twp. of XXX" on all state maintained roads.
Other states use the county lines where NJ at county lines use the township/borough/ city corporations instead. The GSP uses the gold on blue county highway shields to denote county lines, however at the NB entrance to Middlessex County there is a mention of Old Bridge Township beneath the gold on blue county line sign there which is the only municipal mention on the GSP. The Turnpike, sadly, does not mark any boundaries so you are blind to know where Salem becomes Gloucester in South Jersey.
Connecticut doesn't sign county boundaries at all, just municipal ones. There are some modified village boundary signs on local roads, however.
http://goo.gl/maps/g9l8F
In case you can't see it, it says "KENSINGTON". It's actually within the municipality of Berlin, CT.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on January 01, 2014, 09:10:26 PM
Connecticut doesn't sign county boundaries at all, just municipal ones. There are some modified village boundary signs on local roads, however.
http://goo.gl/maps/g9l8F
In case you can't see it, it says "KENSINGTON". It's actually within the municipality of Berlin, CT.
Yeah, but are Connecticut counties really worth it considering their role in government? Remember, they have no county seats and like someone here once pointed out Counties in CT are just geographic regional places and do not even have their own regional government hence the lack of county seats.
Right. I'm pretty certain we don't even have county sheriffs anymore either. Just the state and city/town police. I think there's another state or two which don't have them anymore either.
In Florida all counties have Sheriffs because we have unincorporated areas outside city limits. Many states are this way, but I know many states in the North East including CT have towns outside the city limits (or lines as you would say). NJ has it confusing as you have boroughs, cities, towns, townships, and even villages, as I believe in your state its just cities or towns.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 02, 2014, 10:42:05 PM
In Florida all counties have Sheriffs
Nope.
http://www.coj.net/departments/sheriffs-office/about-the-jso/history-of-the-jso.aspx
Just noticed this earlier today, and didn't think to check more closely, but Street View confirms: Rockland County is posted where I-287 enters the state, along with every other political boundary at that location: https://goo.gl/maps/z1ZJ2rPgykT2
I'm sure all have seen these
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Quote from: MikeCL on July 11, 2016, 03:12:32 AM
I'm sure all have seen these
I'd seen the second one but never noticed the first! That almost looks painted on; is it?
Nope! The first picture was with the driver heading north. The mile marker is for New England Thruway MM 15 on I-95. It's literally 1 or 1.5 feet south of the Connecticut state line. That marker was only installed in the last 5 years or so.
This is how it looked southbound on April 15, 2015, as I crossed from Greenwich to Port Chester, NY. Just a simple "NEW YORK | CONN" street sign blade then.
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The sign is metal but the sign is new less then 3 months old it used to be smaller but now it's a bit larger and more defined.
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