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Title: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Scott5114 on October 04, 2011, 08:37:12 PM
On the way to work I saw a portable VMS that had the following text on the first slide:

I-35 NB
RAMP 2 B
CLOSED

The second slide had the date and time of the closure. I misinterpreted it, thinking it was referring to a "Ramp 2B", like an Exit 2B (thinking the space was because of the new MUTCD requirement) and wondering where it was. By the time I realized "2 B" meant "to be", it was too late for me to note the date and time.

Have you seen your DOT pull this boneheaded move? Do you think the MUTCD should ban it?
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: realjd on October 04, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
Boneheaded? They were able to get the message across given the limited character space. How would you have written it?
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: deathtopumpkins on October 04, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
I would have abbreviated "RAMP" to "RMP" in order to fit in "TO B" or even "TOBE" as opposed to "2 B".
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: twinsfan87 on October 04, 2011, 09:15:39 PM
Maybe change it to say:

I-35 NB
EXIT XX
CLOSED

(second panel with date and time)

Similar messages are used in Minnesota, and I think they get the point across without using "text speak".
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Michael in Philly on October 04, 2011, 10:04:37 PM
or "RAMP TO CLOSE."  I would have understood the "2 B" (unless I pondered that space) the same way Scott did.
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on October 04, 2011, 10:29:04 PM
I would also have misinterpreted the "2 B". It's not something I would encourage.
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Scott5114 on October 04, 2011, 10:40:41 PM
In this particular case it was on WB SH-9 approaching I-35. The interchange in question is a trumpet, the NB ramp mentioned is the straight-line onramp to I-35 NB.

I would have just said "I-35 NB / ONRAMP / CLOSED" or something. Or add a third slide: "WORK BEGINNING SOON / I-35 NB ONRAMP CLOSED / (date and time)"
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: twinsfan87 on October 04, 2011, 10:45:49 PM
So it could maybe read something like this:

1st slide:
RAMP TO
I-35 NB
CLOSED

(date and time second slide)

3rd slide:
USE ALT
ROUTE

The third slide is also widely used in MN. Sometimes Mn/DOT will put up an orange sign with the closure info instead of the variable message sign too, although lately I've seen more VMSs being used than orange signs.
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Brandon on October 04, 2011, 11:00:39 PM
I thought the "RAMP 2 B" was "Exit 2B"  Texting does not translate well to VMSs.

I-35 NBD
RAMP TO
CLOSE

Then the next slide with:

10/4/11
FOLLOW
DETOUR
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: roadfro on October 05, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
It's certainly not an MUTCD approved abbreviation scheme.

It's much simpler to say

I-35 NB
RAMP
CLOSED

10/4/11
10:00PM-
5:00AM
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: codyg1985 on October 05, 2011, 07:48:42 AM
I would have said something like this:

I-35 NB
RAMP TO
CLOSE

10/4/11
10:00PM-
5:00AM
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: 1995hoo on October 05, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
I don't understand text-message speak on the Internet (and it annoys me when people use it where it's not needed, like in an online forum). I'd hate to see it on a road sign.
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:15:37 AM
Oh, I'd be infuriated if that happened. I, too, would think Exit 2B as well, but I've also seen signs at some interchanges that mention Ramp 1, Ramp 2, or Ramp A, Ramp B. I just think this would have led to more confusion as to what "2 B" means. Shame on them for not spelling out "to be" or for rewording it to make the message fit.
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: Mergingtraffic on October 06, 2011, 01:47:19 PM
CT uses:

Route 8 NB
Accident
X35-X36
Title: Re: Text speak on VMS
Post by: vtk on October 06, 2011, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: MUTCD section 2L.05 paragraph 09
Guidance:
When the message on a CMS includes an abbreviation, the provisions of Section 1A.15 should be used.

The table in section 1A.15 does not include entries abbreviating the words "to" or "be".

In my opinion, the phrase "RAMP WILL CLOSE" would be marginally better than "RAMP TO BE CLOSED" and incomparably better than "RAMP 2 B CLOSED".  And if you can't fit "RAMP WILL" on a single line in a VMS, then the VMS is poorly designed.