I do not know why in NYC it is as slow as 35 mph on such freeways. Is there a plan to raise those limits? Don't know why the limit on such freeways does not go anywhere above 50. What is the highest limit on urban freeways?
Quote from: ethanman62187 on October 10, 2011, 09:22:31 AM
I do not know why in NYC it is as slow as 35 mph on such freeways. Is there a plan to raise those limits? Don't know why the limit on such freeways does not go anywhere above 50. What is the highest limit on urban freeways?
55-65 is pretty much standard for urban freeways in my experience. The problem with NYC freeways is that many are old and not up to current design standards. That and the fact that the entire northeast has weird hangups about high speed limits.
Most San Francisco Bay Area freeways have a speed limit of 65 MPH although there are some freeways with 55 MPH limits. The lowest freeway speed limit that I know of is US 101 as it enters downtown San Francisco. It has a 50 MPH limit.
I caught a 40 mph speed limit sign on I-585 in Spartanburg, SC. But 585 was due to end in about a mile, anyhow.
It's definitely a interstate in name only, certainly not by current design standards. But the button copy makes up for it.
Don't know how tightly you are defining "urban" but I-64/I-75 through Lexington, Ky., is 70 mph. Of course it doesn't enter the downtown area but it passes through the Urban Service Area of the merged city-county government.
I seem to remember a surprising amount of I-84 is 75mph near Boise. It drops to 65 at the real heart of things, but a lot of it, with densely packed interchanges, noise-proofing walls, and a center barrier, is 75 if I recall correctly.
I-395 in DC varies between 35 mph, 40 mph, and 45 mph. Nobody obeys any of those except going past the speed cameras, and if you try to obey the limit you may cause a pileup.
Quote from: realjd on October 10, 2011, 10:40:27 AMThat and the fact that the entire northeast has weird hangups about high speed limits.
That might be the understatement of the century.
Quote from: ethanman62187 on October 10, 2011, 09:22:31 AM
I do not know why in NYC it is as slow as 35 mph on such freeways. Is there a plan to raise those limits? Don't know why the limit on such freeways does not go anywhere above 50. What is the highest limit on urban freeways?
The standard speed limit within the City of New York is 50 mph for almost all expressways and parkways. There are lower limits in places such as at or over bridges and in tunnels. The limits used to drop in 5 mph increments as you approach the Queens-Midtown Tunnel westbound--one of the best views of Manhattan day or night before you.
Missouri - Seems to be a lot of variation among the MoDOT districts for urban speed limits:
* St. Louis - 55 near downtown, generally 60 outside of downtown to varying distances west of I-270, then 65 for a while, then up to 70
* Columbia - 60 through town on I-70, while the US 63 freeway was recently lowered to 65 from 70
* Springfield - 60 through town on I-44, US 65 and the US 60/MO 360 corridor
* Kansas City - 65 for I-70 east of I-435, then 55 between I-435 and the downtown loop where the limit goes down to 45. I recall I-29 having a long 65 mph section that drops to 55 south of US 169; haven't been on I-35 enough to remember
* St. Joesph - I-29 drops to 65 through town, while I-229 drops to 55 through downtown, but is 70 on either side of downtown, with the drop on the south side barely outside of downtown. I think US 36 was 55 through town
* Hannibal - I-72 is a lousy 55 through town
Nebraska
* Lincoln - I-80 drops from 75 to 65 through the area. I-180 is mostly 60, but with a 45 mph section transitioning to 25 mph at the southern end in downtown
* Omaha - 60 mph in Douglas County (thanks to defective legislation) for I-80 and I-680; 65 dropping to 55 for US 6; and 60 for the north-south section of I-480, but a lousy 50 for the east-west section
Grand Rapids/Muskegon
* I-96 - 70 mph
* I-196 - 70 mph, 65 mph between Market Ave and Fuller Ave
* US-31 in Muskegon - 70 mph
* US-31 in Ferrysburg - 70 mph, drops to 50 just before the drawbridge
* US-131 - 70 mph, 55 mph between Wealthy St and I-196
* M-6 - 70 mph
In Nevada, urban freeway speed limits are always 65mph. I-80 where it passes through smaller cities/towns tends to remain 70mph, even though NDOT considers it passing through "small urban" areas.
Michigan has pretty much standardized on 70mph limits on freeways, unless the roadway is dangerously substandard, as in the case with 131 and certain inner-city Detroit freeways.
There's been a recent push by State Police officials to post limits at the 85th percentile speed, which lead to stretches like US-127 and I-496 in Lansing updated to 70 from 55. Even the horribly substandard I-94 in Jackson got booted to 70 in recent years.
That push has spread to some lower-class roadways. US-127 on the Ithaca-to-St. Johns stretch, which has driveways, a railroad crossing, and cross-traffic, got moved up to 65mph recently, as did the short stretch of M-14 near Barton Dr.
Huntsville, AL I-565 is 70 mph through most of Huntsville until you get to the viaduct close to downtown where it drops to 65 mph.
Birmingham, AL Most urban freeways with the exception of I-459 is 60 mph (I-459 is 70 mph). Around the I-20/59/65 junction, however, the speed limit drops to 50 mph. I can't remember if US 31/280 (Red Mtn. Expressway) is 50 mph or 60 mph. I want to say 50 mph.
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 11, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
There's been a recent push by State Police officials to post limits at the 85th percentile speed,
wow! can other jurisdictions learn from this example, please?
Quote from: roadfro on October 11, 2011, 04:29:36 AM
In Nevada, urban freeway speed limits are always 65mph. I-80 where it passes through smaller cities/towns tends to remain 70mph, even though NDOT considers it passing through "small urban" areas.
do you mean 75 in this case? I don't remember 75-70 drops on I-80 or I-15, just 75-65 in the obvious urban areas.
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 11, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
Michigan has pretty much standardized on 70mph limits on freeways, unless the roadway is dangerously substandard, as in the case with 131 and certain inner-city Detroit freeways.
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I think the text in boldface answers the OP's query about why NYC Interstates have low speed limits.
QuoteI-395 in DC varies between 35 mph, 40 mph, and 45 mph. Nobody obeys any of those except going past the speed cameras, and if you try to obey the limit you may cause a pileup.
Where is it 35? 3rd St Tunnel is 45, SW Freeway is 40.
You might be thinking of the 11th St Bridge (hidden I-695), which due to the construction is signed at 30 MPH.
QuoteI can't remember if US 31/280 (Red Mtn. Expressway) is 50 mph or 60 mph. I want to say 50 mph.
Used to be 55. Not sure if it still is.
Quote from: froggie on October 11, 2011, 12:14:36 PM
QuoteI-395 in DC varies between 35 mph, 40 mph, and 45 mph. Nobody obeys any of those except going past the speed cameras, and if you try to obey the limit you may cause a pileup.
Where is it 35? 3rd St Tunnel is 45, SW Freeway is 40.
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I thought I recalled a 35 sign on the northbound ramp leading to the tunnel, and the ramp is part of the mainline.
Edited to add: Found it on Street View. (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=i-395,+dc&hl=en&ll=38.882262,-77.015556&spn=0.001597,0.004128&hnear=Interstate+395,+Washington,+District+of+Columbia&t=m&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=38.882262,-77.015556&panoid=xPexiMIMlVAvz0Fk7nfYXg&cbp=12,102,,0,-0.06) (Couldn't check that when I replied earlier.)
Phoenix has 55 on I-17 from Dunlap Avenue south around the bend to where it meets I-10 for the second time near Sky Harbor. Arizona 51 has 55 from the Glendale Avenue exit down to the Mini-Stack. Loop 202 east from the Mini-Stack is 55 but I forget for how far. Arizona 143 is 55 except for a short portion near I-10 where it's 45. On the outskirts, the new Loop 303 between Grand Avenue (US 60) and I-17 has a 55 mph speed limit for some silly reason, although the section skirting Sun City West does have a few at-grade intersections, such as at El Mirage Road.
As far as I know, all the other Phoenix-area freeways are 65.
Many expressways in Montreal are 70 km/h (a little under 45 mph); notably, Décarie Expy (A-15), Bonaventure Expy (A-10) and Autoroute du Souvenir (A-20).
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2011, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: roadfro on October 11, 2011, 04:29:36 AM
In Nevada, urban freeway speed limits are always 65mph. I-80 where it passes through smaller cities/towns tends to remain 70mph, even though NDOT considers it passing through "small urban" areas.
do you mean 75 in this case? I don't remember 75-70 drops on I-80 or I-15, just 75-65 in the obvious urban areas.
Should've said "70 or 75mph". The immediate example that came to mind when typing that was Fernley--I-80 is signed at 70 mph east of Reno/Sparks through Fernley, but bumps up to 75 mph somewhere east of there.
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 11, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
Michigan has pretty much standardized on 70mph limits on freeways, unless the roadway is dangerously substandard, as in the case with 131 and certain inner-city Detroit freeways.
There's been a recent push by State Police officials to post limits at the 85th percentile speed, which lead to stretches like US-127 and I-496 in Lansing updated to 70 from 55. Even the horribly substandard I-94 in Jackson got booted to 70 in recent years.
That push has spread to some lower-class roadways. US-127 on the Ithaca-to-St. Johns stretch, which has driveways, a railroad crossing, and cross-traffic, got moved up to 65mph recently, as did the short stretch of M-14 near Barton Dr.
I-196 is somewhat substandard in Grand Rapids, especially from M-45 to US-131 (that may explain the 65 mph limit there).
If US-127 between Ithaca and St. Johns was upped to 65 mph, I would not be surprised if US-31 from Grand Haven to Holland or the divided section of M-45 just east of GVSU get upped to 65 in the near future.
Quote from: ethanman62187 on October 10, 2011, 09:22:31 AM
I do not know why in NYC it is as slow as 35 mph on such freeways. Is there a plan to raise those limits? Don't know why the limit on such freeways does not go anywhere above 50. What is the highest limit on urban freeways?
Remind me which road in NYC is 35 mph...of the top of my head, I know the expressways are 50, parkways can go down to 45, the Triborough Bridge is 40, and I'm pretty sure part of the FDR drive is 40...but I can't recall where 35 is.
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on October 11, 2011, 07:42:38 PM
Many expressways in Montreal are 70 km/h (a little under 45 mph); notably, Décarie Expy (A-15), Bonaventure Expy (A-10) and Autoroute du Souvenir (A-20).
Traffic that is not in rush hour go above that.
Quote from: ftballfan on October 10, 2011, 10:14:42 PM
Grand Rapids/Muskegon
* I-96 - 70 mph
* I-196 - 70 mph, 65 mph between Market Ave and Fuller Ave
* US-31 in Muskegon - 70 mph
* US-31 in Ferrysburg - 70 mph, drops to 50 just before the drawbridge
* US-131 - 70 mph, 55 mph between Wealthy St and I-196
* M-6 - 70 mph
US 131 is only lowered between Wealthy and the north end of the S-Curve; the rest is 70 mph through the area while the S-Curve is technically variable based on conditions. I have seen the speed limit dropped to 35 mph on the S-Curve during winter snowstorms.
What is the speed limit on the infamous I-90 curve in downtown Cleveland? I imagine that'd be signed fairly slow...
35 mph
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 10, 2011, 06:12:37 PM
* Kansas City - 65 for I-70 east of I-435, then 55 between I-435 and the downtown loop where the limit goes down to 45. I recall I-29 having a long 65 mph section that drops to 55 south of US 169; haven't been on I-35 enough to remember
On the Kansas Side:
- I-70 drops to 70 at K-7, 65 at I-635, and 55 at I-670.
- I-35 drops to 65 between Lone Elm and 169 in Olathe, to 60 near 75th, and to 55 near the Missouri Line (not counting the work zone speed limits for the US 69 widening). I don't know exactly where, but I would also count on a 70 mph speed limit between 169 and (at greatest) the Johnson/Miami county line.
- I-435 is 65 east of K-10, and 70 north of K-10
- US 69 is 65 from I-35 to 151st Street, and 70 from 151st to 199th. I haven't checked the speed limit on the 18th Street expressway, but it is likely 55.
- K-10 is 70 from Lawrence to Renner road, and only drops to 65 as it's approaching 435.
- I-635 is 65 along the entire route
- I-670 is 55 in Kansas
Lawrence
- As noted above, K-10 is 70 east of Lawrence. The speed limit drops to 65 at the end off the freeway segment. The South Lawrence Trafficway is 2 lanes, and is therefore posted at 65 MPH.
- US 59 is slated to transition from 70 to 55 at the end of its freeway segment south of town when the freeway is finally completed.
- The only freeway that actually enters the city limits, I-70/Kansas Turnpike, should be posted at 75 once the construction projects are wrapped up. However, when the 65 MPH law was initially passed, the segment of I-70 through Lawrence did not qualify (along with the future I-335)
Topeka
- I-70 transitions from 75 to 70 at Auburn Road/K-4, drops to 65 at I-470, is 60 from MacVicar to Adams (including the Polk-Quincy viaduct and Downtown Topeka), goes back to 65 from Adams to the Toll Plaza
- The "Free" portion of I-470 is 65 throughout
- US 75 is 70 south of 470 and north of US 24, and is 65 between US 24 and I-70
- The Kansas Turnpike is 75 throughout.
Wichita
I do not have complete information. I do show I-135 from the Turnpike to 53rd Street north as 60, then 70 from 53rd to 85th. Kellogg (US 54/400) is generally 60 along its freeway segments, and the Turnpike (I-35) is 75.
Emporia
I-35 is 70 from the Toll Plaza to the junction with US 50 on the east side of town. This is the only urban speed zone outside of the "big five" counties.
A couple that come to mind here in MD that have low speed limits are I-83 and I-70. I-83 (JFX) drops to 50 and then 40 mph the closer one gets downtown. I-70 east of 695 gradually drops down to 25 mph to its end at the park and ride. But also, if memory serves me correctly, I-70 is only 40 mph through Cumberland, MD, which is substandard.
Quote from: Laura Bianca on October 12, 2011, 09:59:09 PM
But also, if memory serves me correctly, I-70 is only 40 mph through Cumberland, MD, which is substandard.
I believe your memory is correct...except that the route markers read I-68, not I-70. :sombrero:
Elsewhere in the state, I believe I-370 drops (dropped? I'm still not sure how the routing of I-370 is handled now) to 40 at its east end before reaching the Metro station in Gaithersburg.
Quote from: route56 on October 12, 2011, 09:40:47 PM
On the Kansas Side:
- I-35 drops to 65 between Lone Elm and 169 in Olathe, to 60 near 75th, and to 55 near the Missouri Line (not counting the work zone speed limits for the US 69 widening). I don't know exactly where, but I would also count on a 70 mph speed limit between 169 and (at greatest) the Johnson/Miami county line.
I went to Kansas City (family wedding) in late August, and my recollection is that the 75 MPH speed limit ends at Gardner.
QuoteWichita
I do not have complete information. I do show I-135 from the Turnpike to 53rd Street north as 60, then 70 from 53rd to 85th. Kellogg (US 54/400) is generally 60 along its freeway segments, and the Turnpike (I-35) is 75.
All of this is correct. In addition, I-235 is 65 for its entire length in both directions except between Broadway and the I-135/K-254 interchange (eastbound), and K-96 (Northeast Freeway) is 65 for its entire length in both directions except for 55 westbound between Hydraulic and the I-135 trumpet. I think K-96 (State Fair Freeway--west of the I-235/Meridian Ave. interchange complex) is 70 eastbound until West Street and then 65 to the I-235 ramps. I suspect westbound traffic gets a 70 limit coming off I-235, but I haven't been that way to check.
In general reduced speed limits in advance of major interchanges are not uncommon in Wichita.
Chicagoland:
I-55 drops to 55 just inside Weber Rd (mm264).
I-57 drops at I-80.
I-94 only gets up to 65 north of the Waukegan Cash Box.
I-90 gets up to 65 just west of Elgin.
I-80 drops to 55 at Larkin (mm130), 45 a mile later to mm134, then 55 to mm137. Then back down to 55 at mm150.
I-88 drops to 55 just west of Aurora.
I-355 is 65 south of I-55.
I-94 drops from 70 at mm16 in Indiana.
I-80/90 drops from 70 just east of the Willowcreek Barrier.
I don't remember about I-65, but IIRC, it's about US-30 where the drop from 70 happens.
I-490 in downtown Rochester is 40... and a couple of the curves there require it!
OKC:
I-35: 70 to Exit 106 (OK 9 West), 60 from Exit 106 to Exit 112 (Tecumseh Road), 70 from Exit 112 to Exit 116 (S. 19th St.), 65 from Exit 116 to Exit 119A (Shields Blvd./Old US 77), 60 from Exit 119A to Exit 134 (Wilshire Blvd.), 70 from Exit 134 north to Kansas
I-40: 70 until ~Exit 139 (Kilpatrick Turnpike), 65 from Exit 139-Exit 144 (MacArthur), 60 from Exit 144-Exit 159 (Douglas Blvd), 70 from Exit 159 east
I-44: 70 until Exit 113 (SW 89th), 60 from Exit 113 to I-35's Exit 134 (Wilshire), 70 from I-35's Exit 134 to the Turner Turnpike, 75 from the turnpike eastward
I-235: 60 throughout
US 77: 60 throughout
OK 74: 60 from I-44/OK 66 to NW 50th, then 65 from NW 50th-Kilpatrick Turnpike
OK 152: 60 throughout
Kilpatrick Turnpike: 70 throughout
Columbus has 55 MPH on the Innerbelt, and out a few miles from downtown on a couple of freeways. Some connecting ramps between OH 315 and I-670 have a regulatory speed limit of 45 MPH.
I think I-75 drops to 60 MPH in Central Toledo.
Is that 35 MPH limit in Cleveland an advisory speed for the curve, or a regulatory speed limit?
IIRC, I-65 in Louisville has a 50 MPH speed limit.
Not that anyone cares about these cities, but here you go:
Mobile:
Interstate 10:
65 on the I-10 Mobile Bayway, 70 east of it
55 mph through the Wallace Tunnel
65 on I-10 between the tunnel and I-65's south end
55 through the interchange with I-65 (that is always ignored)
65 from I-65 west to Exit 17 and then 70 mph
Interstate 65:
55 at the south end, 65 otherwise
Interstate 165:
65 throughout
Pensacola
Interstate 10
70 mph east to Exit 10, 55 mph from Exit 10 to Exit 13, 70 mph eastward
Interstate 110, 55, even after the six-laning.
The 55 zones are pretty much always ignored and should be 65.
Quote from: Alex on October 21, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
Interstate 110, 55, even after the six-laning.
The 55 zones are pretty much always ignored and should be 65.
the last time I was at the 10/110 junction, FHP was there as well. It is a high-speed interchange in which through traffic can easily and safely do 75 - why it is signed at 55mph, I ju$t don't under$tand.
Quote from: Alex on October 21, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
Pensacola
Interstate 10
70 mph east to Exit 10, 55 mph from Exit 10 to Exit 13, 70 mph eastward
Interstate 110, 55, even after the six-laning.
The 55 zones are pretty much always ignored and should be 65.
That stretch on I-10 always pisses me off. I don't know how it is for you folks up there in "lower Alabama", but down here FDOTis usually fairly good at matching speed limits to highway design. I'm always surprised to see that stretch signed so low.
Quote from: realjd on October 21, 2011, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 21, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
Pensacola
Interstate 10
70 mph east to Exit 10, 55 mph from Exit 10 to Exit 13, 70 mph eastward
Interstate 110, 55, even after the six-laning.
The 55 zones are pretty much always ignored and should be 65.
That stretch on I-10 always pisses me off. I don't know how it is for you folks up there in "lower Alabama", but down here FDOTis usually fairly good at matching speed limits to highway design. I'm always surprised to see that stretch signed so low.
Its the rush hour traffic between US 29 and Davis Blvd. When I went up there last Christmas to visit family, that was one of the things I picked up on immediately. Going from I-110 to Pensacola Blvd was a teeth-clenching experience to say the least.
Quote from: DeaconG on October 21, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 21, 2011, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 21, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
Pensacola
Interstate 10
70 mph east to Exit 10, 55 mph from Exit 10 to Exit 13, 70 mph eastward
Interstate 110, 55, even after the six-laning.
The 55 zones are pretty much always ignored and should be 65.
That stretch on I-10 always pisses me off. I don't know how it is for you folks up there in "lower Alabama", but down here FDOTis usually fairly good at matching speed limits to highway design. I'm always surprised to see that stretch signed so low.
Its the rush hour traffic between US 29 and Davis Blvd. When I went up there last Christmas to visit family, that was one of the things I picked up on immediately. Going from I-110 to Pensacola Blvd was a teeth-clenching experience to say the least.
Stop and go rush hour traffic once shouldn't cause a lowered speed limit. Or if they're that concerned, why not use electronic speed limit signs like on I-4 in Olando? Setting it to 55 when traffic is nonexistent the 90% of the time is just plain stupid IMO. And it's not like I-10 is really an urban highway anyway!
Quote from: DeaconG on October 21, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: realjd on October 21, 2011, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: Alex on October 21, 2011, 11:36:59 AM
Pensacola
Interstate 10
70 mph east to Exit 10, 55 mph from Exit 10 to Exit 13, 70 mph eastward
Interstate 110, 55, even after the six-laning.
The 55 zones are pretty much always ignored and should be 65.
That stretch on I-10 always pisses me off. I don't know how it is for you folks up there in "lower Alabama", but down here FDOTis usually fairly good at matching speed limits to highway design. I'm always surprised to see that stretch signed so low.
Its the rush hour traffic between US 29 and Davis Blvd. When I went up there last Christmas to visit family, that was one of the things I picked up on immediately. Going from I-110 to Pensacola Blvd was a teeth-clenching experience to say the least.
That was dealt with when the I-10/110 interchange was upgraded, segregating movements from SR 291 to I-110. Additionally I-10 was six laned westward to US 29. The 55 mph zone predates all of that work and remained in place even after it was completed. IIRC I-10 through Tallahassee maintains 70 mph throughout the metro area. So there is something wrong with the Pensacola jurisdiction that does not see that 70, or even 65, can function properly in its urbanized area.
Same type of thing can be said for the six-lane stretch of I-275 north of I-4 in Tampa. No reason that should still be posted at 55 mph except for revenue-generating purposes. The limit immediately goes up to 70 north of Bearrs, and was even kept at 70 during the expansion project through to I-75/SR 56.
The Belt Parkway in Brooklyn and Queens is 50, which IMO, is a bit too fast, due to the road design and conditions. Ever wonder why the FDR Drive is 40? First, I would make the Belt Parkway 40, or 45, as a precautionary, then raise it to 50 past the Brooklyn apartment buildings and past the Flatbush Avenue exit. Past here, the road widens a bit, with a grass median instead of a guardrail barrier, for a limited distance. There are people blazing at 60+ on this highway, where those who try to merge have very little room to do so. Lanes are very narrow, there are aggressive drivers, limited shoulder room, potholes every mile, and bridges that need repair, pronto. This is one of the worst highways ever. I wish I can think of positives.
Quote from: Roadman66 on October 21, 2011, 05:43:06 PM
The Belt Parkway in Brooklyn and Queens is 50, which IMO, is a bit too fast, due to the road design and conditions. Ever wonder why the FDR Drive is 40? First, I would make the Belt Parkway 40, or 45, as a precautionary, then raise it to 50 past the Brooklyn apartment buildings and past the Flatbush Avenue exit. Past here, the road widens a bit, with a grass median instead of a guardrail barrier, for a limited distance. There are people blazing at 60+ on this highway, where those who try to merge have very little room to do so. Lanes are very narrow, there are aggressive drivers, limited shoulder room, potholes every mile, and bridges that need repair, pronto. This is one of the worst highways ever. I wish I can think of positives.
I'd consider this a positive:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NY/NY19612781i1.jpg)
how old is that shield?
Quote from: Roadman66 on October 21, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
how old is that shield?
it's '57 spec but it likely dates to about the 1970s or so. I think they just had an extra blank and used it, instead of using the correct 1961 spec which NY was using by then. (I don't know when they switched over to '70 spec, but I suspect it was as late as the 80s.)
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on October 11, 2011, 07:42:38 PM
Many expressways in Montreal are 70 km/h (a little under 45 mph); notably, Décarie Expy (A-15), Bonaventure Expy (A-10) and Autoroute du Souvenir (A-20).
I'm thinking that this should raise to 80 KM/H.
Quote from: ethanman62187 on October 22, 2011, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on October 11, 2011, 07:42:38 PM
Many expressways in Montreal are 70 km/h (a little under 45 mph); notably, Décarie Expy (A-15), Bonaventure Expy (A-10) and Autoroute du Souvenir (A-20).
I'm thinking that this should raise to 80 KM/H.
Have you ever travelled on any of the autoroutes in Montreal? (I assume, given your stated age, you haven't driven yourself.)
I-280 in Newark, NJ is 40 mph across the Stickle Drawbridge. That is cause the highway is very substandard and the lanes are narrow with no merge areas from NJ 21 onto the freeway.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 21, 2011, 05:46:31 PM
I'd consider this a positive:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NY/NY19612781i1.jpg)
Out of curiosity, what is that "No Photos" sign referring to? Never seen anything like it.
Quote from: formulanone on October 24, 2011, 02:55:30 PM
Out of curiosity, what is that "No Photos" sign referring to? Never seen anything like it.
The Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority, also known as MTA Bridges and Tunnels, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey claim to ban photography on (or in) their facilities. What they're really worried about, of course, is not tourists or roadgeeks but rather someone taking close-in photos of structural details and the like that might be useful to a terrorist. But because it's hard to enforce a selective ban like that they just claim to ban it altogether.
(BTW, my use of the word "claim" is intended to denote that I don't know whether such ban has been challenged or what the outcome of such challenges may have been.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 24, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
(BTW, my use of the word "claim" is intended to denote that I don't know whether such ban has been challenged or what the outcome of such challenges may have been.)
"Freedom of Panorama" generally applies to all open, public places in the United States:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#120
I could understand if a structure was under construction, and "trade secrets" wanted to be kept away from methods of recording...Otherwise, we're letting the other team win.
They wanted to ban, but lifted it.
Back-on-topic.
Milwaukee area is the only location in Wisconsin with 55 mph on Interstates
- east of Moorland Rd on 94 from Madison (50 from Miller Park to Marquette Interchange)
- South of county line on 43 from Green Bay (45 from North Ave to Marquette)
- North of Drexel Ave on 94 from Chicago (50 from 894 to Holt Ave and from Mitchell St to Marquette)
- Beloit Road on 43 from Beloit Rd Eastward.
- All of 794 is 50 mph
- All of 894 (without 43) is 55.
Other Milwaukee area 55 zones
- East of N 124th St (WIS 145) on 41/45 from the Fox Cities
- Fond Du Lac Freeway (145) - 55
- Airport Spur is 50
- 41 North (Stadium) is 50
- Miller Park Way is (I think 45-50)
Other cities:
Madison: WIS 30 and the Beltline are both 55.
Green Bay: WIS 172 is 55
Appleton: WIS 441 is 55 (I believe to US 10 East or the next exit)
Former areas
Wausau had a 55 zone on US 51between 29 E and Bus 51 N and WIS 29 between WIS 107 and Business 51 before the freeway was rebuilt Now the only section left is the turn lane area between 172nd Ave and WIS 107 west of Wausau on WIS 29. An "Advisory 55" is posted between CTH U and the top of the hill by Business 51 for Rough Road.
Madison had a 55 zone on the interstate before the feds relaxed, Stevens Point had a 55 zone (after permission was given to mark 51 as 65) and Green Bay on 43, all were removed in the late 1990s (don't exactly know when)
I-4 in the Orlando area once had its speed limits dropped from 65 to 55 at the Rest Areas on both sides of town. It was 55 the rest of the way except from FL 423 (Lee Road) to US 17, 92, & 441 it was 50.
Now it was raised to 60 mph from Sand Lake Road to Central Florida Parkway (the former Rest Area is now that) and it was lowered from 65 to 60 from US 192 to Central Florida Parkway making it 60 mph from Sand Lake Road to US 192 continuously. When the national 65 law was repealed, 70 mph was added to parts of I-4 away from Orlando. 60 mph was made also from the Orange- Seminole County Line to the Rest Area east of FL 434 that was 55 originally.
70 mph goes from East of the St. John's River to just west of its eastern end dropping to 65 near I-95. Then it goes from I-75 to US 27 on the other side of town. 65 from US 27 to US 192. In Tampa, I do not know what the recent speed limits are there, but in Orlando from Exits 80 to 88 FDOT has a similar set up as the NJ Turnpike does and uses changeable speeds with the default at 50 as always was.
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 12, 2011, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: route56 on October 12, 2011, 09:40:47 PM
On the Kansas Side:
- I-35 drops to 65 between Lone Elm and 169 in Olathe, to 60 near 75th, and to 55 near the Missouri Line (not counting the work zone speed limits for the US 69 widening). I don't know exactly where, but I would also count on a 70 mph speed limit between 169 and (at greatest) the Johnson/Miami county line.
I went to Kansas City (family wedding) in late August, and my recollection is that the 75 MPH speed limit ends at Gardner.
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I do not have complete information. I do show I-135 from the Turnpike to 53rd Street north as 60, then 70 from 53rd to 85th. Kellogg (US 54/400) is generally 60 along its freeway segments, and the Turnpike (I-35) is 75.
All of this is correct. In addition, I-235 is 65 for its entire length in both directions except between Broadway and the I-135/K-254 interchange (eastbound), and K-96 (Northeast Freeway) is 65 for its entire length in both directions except for 55 westbound between Hydraulic and the I-135 trumpet. I think K-96 (State Fair Freeway--west of the I-235/Meridian Ave. interchange complex) is 70 eastbound until West Street and then 65 to the I-235 ramps. I suspect westbound traffic gets a 70 limit coming off I-235, but I haven't been that way to check.
In general reduced speed limits in advance of major interchanges are not uncommon in Wichita.
I-135 is 60 mph from the KTA toll booth / 47th street mess until the 53rd St North exit.
Kellogg is 60 mph from about Eastern St to.....well, somewhere out by 151st St West or even farther, I'm not sure exactly as I'm usually there when traffic is heavy.
I thought I-235 was 65 mph in its entirety, and don't remember a speed reduction posted as it approaches K-254; wonder if I've been speeding (more than I intended) all this time.....
K-96 is 65 for its entirety except for the brief period mentioned from about Hydraulic to I-135.
K-96 going off toward Hutchinson is 70 mph in both directions from I-235.
This is all 'as memory serves'.
In Louisiana within urban city limits it drops to a max of 60. Downtown Shreveport drops to 50 from the Red River bridge to I-49 exit.
In DFW, it's mainly 60 as far as I've seen since I moved here. Denton drops to 55 from 60 on 35E coming from Dallas then back up to 65 north of 35e/35W but its tight, narrow and plenty of old short ramps.
Bexar County (San Antonio) will soon be 75 mph on I-35, which is pretty quick considering SA's size and congestion
Unless they've done some changes recently, Minneapolis-St. Paul is generally 55 mph inside the 494/694 beltway, which itself is mostly 60 mph. They did create some 60 mph segments closer in on I-94, I-35E and MN-100. The worst stretch is a 45 mph zone on I-35E south of downtown St. Paul, imposed as part of a consent decree to allow the freeway to be constructed as a "parkway" with no trucks allowed. Outside the beltway, things generally go up to 65 and then to 70 mph pretty quickly. That is, except the piece of I-94 going toward Wisconsin where the limit is the same as Wisconsin's 65.
Quote from: vtk on October 21, 2011, 12:19:34 AM
Is that 35 MPH limit in Cleveland an advisory speed for the curve, or a regulatory speed limit?
35 MPH is the Advisory Speed...The speed limit for most of the Innerbelt and the East Shoreway, approaching DMC, is posted at 50 MPH.
And IIRC, there are 2 different speed limits on the same stretch of I-96 west of Downtown Detroit: 55 in the Local Lanes and 65 in the Express Lanes, or something close to that.
Express lanes are now 70.
It's 60 in most urban areas in Louisiana except the following:
* Baton Rouge: I-110 is 50 mph from Capital Access Road to above Plank Road. Also, I-10 West at the I-110 interchange is 35 mph.
* Lafayette: I-10 and I-49 are 70 mph
* Lake Charles: I-10 is 50 mph from US 171 to Ryan Street/Lakeshore Drive.
Quote from: Master son on October 25, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
They wanted to ban, but lifted it.
Back-on-topic.
Milwaukee area is the only location in Wisconsin with 55 mph on Interstates
A two-mile section of I-43 immediately east of I-39/90 near Beloit is also posted for 55mph.
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 18, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Last I knew the speed limit on the Stickel bridge and its approaches was 40, then 50 on either side of the approaches. The 50 mph limit has nothing to do with the bridge itself, but rather the geometry and traffic levels in Newark. East of the bridge in Kearney I'd say it's very underposted and no one (including me) adheres to the 50 limit. Also I'd say that it's a stretch to call Clinton an urban area. It's a small town and nothing surrounding it.
Quote from: myosh_tino on October 10, 2011, 12:55:16 PM
Most San Francisco Bay Area freeways have a speed limit of 65 MPH although there are some freeways with 55 MPH limits. The lowest freeway speed limit that I know of is US 101 as it enters downtown San Francisco. It has a 50 MPH limit.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a section of I-880 in Oakland where it drops down to 45. People still drive 65-70+, but that's what the sign said. It was probably a year and a half ago that I saw it.
In Oregon, 55-60 is the norm (not 65 though). Except in Portland, where a lot of places it's 50.
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 19, 2012, 01:10:00 AM
In Oregon, 55-60 is the norm (not 65 though). Except in Portland, where a lot of places it's 50.
Frustratingly slow speed limits in Oregon. 55 on most urban freeways around Portland, and I-5 didn't bump up to 65 until well south of urban limits. From Nevada, I'm used to 65 on urban freeways and moving up to 70 or 75 on rural freeways.
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 19, 2012, 01:10:00 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a section of I-880 in Oakland where it drops down to 45. People still drive 65-70+, but that's what the sign said. It was probably a year and a half ago that I saw it.
You probably saw those in the vicinity of 5th Ave and High Street where Caltrans is in the process of replacing two aging overpasses. The construction and lane shifts are the reason why the speed limit was lowered to 45 MPH although you are correct in that hardly anyone obeys the lowered limit. It is common practice in California to use standard black-on-white speed limit signs in construction zones. In most cases, these signs are placed over existing speed limit signs.
FWIW, the normal speed limit along this stretch of I-880 is 55 MPH. The limit does not increase to 65 MPH until passing the Oakland Coliseum.
Quote from: hm insulators on October 11, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
Phoenix has 55 on I-17 from Dunlap Avenue south around the bend to where it meets I-10 for the second time near Sky Harbor. Arizona 51 has 55 from the Glendale Avenue exit down to the Mini-Stack. Loop 202 east from the Mini-Stack is 55 but I forget for how far. Arizona 143 is 55 except for a short portion near I-10 where it's 45. On the outskirts, the new Loop 303 between Grand Avenue (US 60) and I-17 has a 55 mph speed limit for some silly reason, although the section skirting Sun City West does have a few at-grade intersections, such as at El Mirage Road.
As far as I know, all the other Phoenix-area freeways are 65.
All of Loop 303 Is 55, I am assuming when the road is upgraded to full freeway it will go to 65
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 18, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Many Speed Limit charts found online showing NJ has a 65 rural limit/55 urban limit are incorrect. I persume one organization posted it that way, and the rest simply copy it. The vast majority of the Interstate/Limited Access highway network in NJ is classified as urban, and much of it has a 65 limit. Heck, the 14 lane/4 section NJ Turnpike between Exits 11 & 12 is 65mph.
Those charts also show the max limit on other roads is 50 mph, which is incorrect as well.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 19, 2012, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 18, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Many Speed Limit charts found online showing NJ has a 65 rural limit/55 urban limit are incorrect. I persume one organization posted it that way, and the rest simply copy it. The vast majority of the Interstate/Limited Access highway network in NJ is classified as urban, and much of it has a 65 limit. Heck, the 14 lane/4 section NJ Turnpike between Exits 11 & 12 is 65mph.
Those charts also show the max limit on other roads is 50 mph, which is incorrect as well.
55 is the maximum limit that is allowed to be posted on all roadways except where 65 mph has been authorized by the State. That is why NJ has no 60 MPH speed limits.
50 is the default speed limit in rural areas if nothing else is posted. 25 is the default speed limit in urban areas if nothing else is posted. However, I do not know if these definitions correlate strictly to the NJDOT classification maps shown online. If they do, there are a lot of very rural areas classified as "urban."
Quote from: Steve on November 19, 2012, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 19, 2012, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 18, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Many Speed Limit charts found online showing NJ has a 65 rural limit/55 urban limit are incorrect. I persume one organization posted it that way, and the rest simply copy it. The vast majority of the Interstate/Limited Access highway network in NJ is classified as urban, and much of it has a 65 limit. Heck, the 14 lane/4 section NJ Turnpike between Exits 11 & 12 is 65mph.
Those charts also show the max limit on other roads is 50 mph, which is incorrect as well.
55 is the maximum limit that is allowed to be posted on all roadways except where 65 mph has been authorized by the State. That is why NJ has no 60 MPH speed limits.
50 is the default speed limit in rural areas if nothing else is posted. 25 is the default speed limit in urban areas if nothing else is posted. However, I do not know if these definitions correlate strictly to the NJDOT classification maps shown online. If they do, there are a lot of very rural areas classified as "urban."
Right...they're the DEFAULT limits, not the MAXIMUM limits! So depending on how you want to define the limit, the charts should be showing 65 mph for rural & urban, or 55 mph for rural and urban, but not 65 rural/55 urban.
The charts are clearly describing the maximum limits found on the highways (ie: http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/state-chart; http://www.iihs.org/laws/speedlimits.aspx , which does correctly show a 55 max other road limit), and thus 65 should be shown for both.
As far as the default limits go, I can only think of one road in all my NJ travels that doesn't have a posted limit - County Rt. 632 in Mantua, NJ, between NJ 45 & Rt. 678)
Quote from: roadfro on November 19, 2012, 01:25:30 AM
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 19, 2012, 01:10:00 AM
In Oregon, 55-60 is the norm (not 65 though). Except in Portland, where a lot of places it's 50.
Frustratingly slow speed limits in Oregon. 55 on most urban freeways around Portland, and I-5 didn't bump up to 65 until well south of urban limits. From Nevada, I'm used to 65 on urban freeways and moving up to 70 or 75 on rural freeways.
Oh, it's awful. It's even worse when you get out into Central and Eastern Oregon's rural 2 laners, where it's 55 always, when you guys are used to 65 or 70. Not that anyone actually goes 55 though.
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 20, 2012, 03:19:23 PMOh, it's awful. It's even worse when you get out into Central and Eastern Oregon's rural 2 laners, where it's 55 always, when you guys are used to 65 or 70. Not that anyone actually goes 55 though.
I do. I accept that roads of comparable standard in adjacent states are usually signed for 65 MPH, and I agree that is probably safe for the majority of two-lane state highway mileage in the drier parts of Oregon, but (1) I don't know which roads are good for 65 and which would stay 55 if the speed limit ceiling were moved to 65, and (2) I don't like spending any of my attention watching for state troopers. So I just pull over every now and then to accommodate people who want to go faster.
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 20, 2012, 04:44:33 PM
So I just pull over every now and then to accommodate people who want to go faster.
Would someone please get this man a Klondike bar?
Quote from: kphoger on November 20, 2012, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on November 20, 2012, 04:44:33 PM
So I just pull over every now and then to accommodate people who want to go faster.
Would someone please get this man a Klondike bar?
People do it all the time in Texas and Oklahoma. So I'm not 100% surprised someone in Kansas does it. Kansas struck me as a pleasant state.
Kansans tend to be quite courteous in my experience. (And no, I am not just saying that because there's two of you guys in the thread. :P) They are probably just as deserving of that reputation as Minnesota, which was a lot more hit-or-miss to me. (Lots of rude behavior going on at my food stops, but the lady running the counter at the hotel we stayed at in Burnsville was top-notch.)
As a point of clarification, the pulling off described as occurring in TX and OK is a pull-onto-right-shoulder maneuver, where the passee remains at the speed they are going. The passer still has to enter the opposing lane, but not all the way, and they can see oncoming traffic more clearly. I am not sure if this is what J.N. practices or if he pulls all the way off the road and stops for a bit.
A Kansan's take on Minnesota driving habits: They're terrible drivers, but nobody seems to care.
Take 494 around the southwest side of the Twin Cities, which I drive at least once a year. Every time I'm there, I can encounter four lanes of traffic driving exactly the same speed; sometimes the left lane has someone driving there for absolutely no reason, often at slightly under the speed limit. This doesn't seem to bother anybody. Even if someone were to tailgate said left lane hog, it really wouldn't bother anyone, including the left lane hog. Here, he'd chase the other guy down and shoot him.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 22, 2012, 04:09:47 AM
They are probably just as deserving of that reputation as Minnesota, which was a lot more hit-or-miss to me. (Lots of rude behavior going on at my food stops, but the lady running the counter at the hotel we stayed at in Burnsville was top-notch.)
IMO Minnesotans tend to be overly-courteous while driving, in that they slow down and let people merge in front of them. This leads to a driving style where it's apparently considered OK to just cut you off whenever someone wants to change lanes.
Also, as kphoger says, they allow left-lane blockers to get away with impunity.
That may have been what the deal was with this giant traffic jam we got caught up in on I-35 north of Hinckley, MN. It was just a typical one lane closes, contraflow set up like you might find in Kansas or Oklahoma, but for some reason Minnesota managed to get it snarled up beyond all recognition. It took forever to get through.
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 19, 2012, 01:10:00 AMIn Oregon, 55-60 is the norm (not 65 though). Except in Portland, where a lot of places it's 50.
Portland speed limits:
I-5: 50 on the Interstate Bridge (also the only traffic light on I-5 due to the lift span), 55 between Interstate Bridge and I-405, 50 between I-405 and Terwilliger Curves (the southern I-405 junction will have variable speed limits coming soon; also the 55 section between 405 and Terwilliger is 50 for now due to construction), 55 south of Terwilliger Curves to I-205, 65 south of I-205.
I-405: 50 entire length (of less than four miles)
I-84: 55 I-5 to I-205, 60 I-205 to Sandy River, 65 east
I-205: 55 on the Glenn Jackson Bridge (most people are doing 75-80 here, it's wide open and very difficult to patrol), 60 from Airport Way all the way to West Linn, 65 West Linn to I-5
U.S. 26: 50 I-405 to Sylvan, 55 all the way out; includes a variable speed zone in Manning (west of Banks, junction with Oregon 47 north). From Cornelius Pass Road west to the Oregon 6 interchange the actual travelled speed is much higher as this area is rural with only a handful of exits, but Oregon State Police and Washington County Sheriff's Office makes a lot of money here. On the east side typically 35 Portland-Gresham, 55 east of Gresham to Boring and Sandy.
Oregon 217: 55 entire length (less than 8 miles)
Oregon 99W: 35 in Tigard, 40 in King City, 55 Tualatin to Sherwood (although for some strange reason a lot of people never make it past 50 which is absolutely frustrating), 45 within Sherwood, 55 over Rex Hill to Newberg
Oregon 99E: 55 between Columbia Boulevard and Marine Drive (well within Portland). 45 from the Ross Island Bridge into Milwaukie, 35 in Milwaukie, 40-45 south to Oregon City, 35 in Oregon City, variably 40 to 55 between Oregon City and Canby (a lot of speed reductions in this area due to it being a crash prone area, plus narrow lanes, few or no shoulder, poor visibility around curves)
Rural: 65 on Interstates (5 and 84), 55 on all other roads. At least WSDOT got wise and allows 70 MPH driving on SR 14 east of Dallesport - it's actually faster to drive on two lane 14 than it is on four lane, divided 84.
Quote from: signalman on November 18, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 18, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Last I knew the speed limit on the Stickel bridge and its approaches was 40, then 50 on either side of the approaches. The 50 mph limit has nothing to do with the bridge itself, but rather the geometry and traffic levels in Newark. East of the bridge in Kearney I'd say it's very underposted and no one (including me) adheres to the 50 limit. Also I'd say that it's a stretch to call Clinton an urban area. It's a small town and nothing surrounding it.
I would say that Clinton is a small urban area because Union Twsp, and Clinton twsp hunterdon county, and Glen Gardiner, High Bridge, and Lebanon Boroughs surround it, and this will explain to why I-78 has exits 15,16,17 being separated by 1 mile apart from each other despite the 65 mph fines doubled corridor in an urban area.
Quote from: sp_redelectric on November 25, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
I-205: 55 on the Glenn Jackson Bridge (most people are doing 75-80 here, it's wide open and very difficult to patrol), 60 from Airport Way all the way to West Linn, 65 West Linn to I-5
Did they finally raise it? Last time I drove it (no more thana year ago), I remember it being 55 the entire way from the Airport all the way down to West Linn, where it went up to 65. It was impossible for me to go that slow, I was naturally going around 67.
Quote from: sp_redelectric on November 25, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
Rural: 65 on Interstates (5 and 84), 55 on all other roads. At least WSDOT got wise and allows 70 MPH driving on SR 14 east of Dallesport - it's actually faster to drive on two lane 14 than it is on four lane, divided 84.
They put a 70 on 14 now? I seem to recall it being 65 the whole way, but it's been a while since I've driven that section. Good for them. Oregon's two laner speed limits are really a complete joke.
If you drive 55 anywhere in Central/Eastern Oregon, it's downright dangerous. I was riding with somebody from Bend back to Nampa, and he was driving about 55 (because he got a warning for going 70 on the way here, rediculous; probably targeted his WA plates...), and getting passed every couple of minutes, which is the most dangerous part of 2 lane highways, speed differential.
65 is essentially a minimum on roads like US-20 from Bend to Burns, and US-95, etc, even though it's only posted at 55 (though some highways will go their whole length without any signs telling you that, such as OR-78, with 55 signs only posted at the termini, even though it's like 70 miles long, from what I recall)
Quote from: hm insulators on October 11, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
Phoenix has 55 on I-17 from Dunlap Avenue south around the bend to where it meets I-10 for the second time near Sky Harbor. Arizona 51 has 55 from the Glendale Avenue exit down to the Mini-Stack. Loop 202 east from the Mini-Stack is 55 but I forget for how far. Arizona 143 is 55 except for a short portion near I-10 where it's 45. On the outskirts, the new Loop 303 between Grand Avenue (US 60) and I-17 has a 55 mph speed limit for some silly reason, although the section skirting Sun City West does have a few at-grade intersections, such as at El Mirage Road.
As far as I know, all the other Phoenix-area freeways are 65.
Loop 202 is 55 from the I-10 (Papago)/AZ51 to the Loop 101 (Pima/Price), 65 from the Loop 101 (Pima/Price) to Loop 101 (Price), 55 from Loop 101 (Price) to I-10 (Maricopa) and 45 from I-10 (Maricopa) to Temp End at 40th Street/Pecos Road.
Loop 101 Is 65 From I-10 (Papago) to Loop 202 (Red Mountain) and 55 from Loop 202 (Red Mountain) to End at Loop 202 (San Tan)
I-10 Is 75 from Colorado River Bridge- MM 0 to Cotton Lane (Exit 124) ,65 From Cotton Lane to 35th Avenue, 55 from 35th Avenue to Baseline Road, 65 from Baseline Road to Queen Creek Road - AZ 347, 75 ** from Queen Creek Road - AZ 347 (Exit 164) to Cortaro Road (Exit 246), 65 From Cortaro Rd to Ina Road (Exit 248), 55 Ina Road to Craycroft Road (Exit 268), 65 Craycroft Road to Kolb Road (Exit 270) and 75 from Kolb Road East.
** After widening is complete (4 Lanes to 6) from Queen Creek Road - AZ 347 (Exit 164) to Miracle Mile - AZ 77 (Exit 255) ADOT is planning to reduce the speed limit to 65 due to High congestion during Peak Hour Travel.
I-17 Is 55 From I-10 Split to Peoria Avenue, 65 from Peoria Avenue to Jomax Road (Exit 219) and 75 from Jomax Road to MM 245
Jackson, Miss.:
* I-20: 60 from MS 18 to MS 468
* I-55: 60 from north of Savannah Street to I-220; 50 within the Waterworks Curve.
* I-220: 70
[Some of us don't have Arial, and it makes our browser do funny stuff! -S.]
Quote from: kphoger on November 22, 2012, 02:41:43 PM
A Kansan's take on Minnesota driving habits: They're terrible drivers, but nobody seems to care.
Take 494 around the southwest side of the Twin Cities, which I drive at least once a year. Every time I'm there, I can encounter four lanes of traffic driving exactly the same speed; sometimes the left lane has someone driving there for absolutely no reason, often at slightly under the speed limit. This doesn't seem to bother anybody. Even if someone were to tailgate said left lane hog, it really wouldn't bother anyone, including the left lane hog. Here, he'd chase the other guy down and shoot him.
Clearly, Minnesota and Wisconsin share the same inferior driver training program! A drive through the Badger State also reveals drivers who have no understanding of the roles of different lanes. Not to mention an incredible level of inattention - particularly pronounced when changing lanes. Signaling? Optional.
But they are courteous: one R/T journey from N. IL to Door County, WI had us experience at least 4 or 5 close calls with bad Cheesehead driving; however, they all waved an apology each time. As in
"oh golly gee, I made a flub!" There's nothing like driving 65 mph in the center lane and having someone just blindly pull right in front of you while going 50 mph. On I-43 in a 65 mph zone. If only they'd have sprung for some blood pressure pills as well!
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
That may have been what the deal was with this giant traffic jam we got caught up in on I-35 north of Hinckley, MN. It was just a typical one lane closes, contraflow set up like you might find in Kansas or Oklahoma, but for some reason Minnesota managed to get it snarled up beyond all recognition. It took forever to get through.
Yep, Minnesotans believe it to be "rude" to wait until the lane drop and do a zipper merge, like it's cheating somehow. Instead, they try to merge over as quickly as possible, even if it means blocking both lanes of traffic. :crazy:
Quote from: flowmotion on November 27, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
That may have been what the deal was with this giant traffic jam we got caught up in on I-35 north of Hinckley, MN. It was just a typical one lane closes, contraflow set up like you might find in Kansas or Oklahoma, but for some reason Minnesota managed to get it snarled up beyond all recognition. It took forever to get through.
Yep, Minnesotans believe it to be "rude" to wait until the lane drop and do a zipper merge, like it's cheating somehow. Instead, they try to merge over as quickly as possible, even if it means blocking both lanes of traffic. :crazy:
Interesting, then, that Minnesota often posts signs instructing drivers to form two lanes and then take turns at the merge point (zipper).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 20, 2012, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Steve on November 19, 2012, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 19, 2012, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 18, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Here in Newark, NJ I-78 has a 55 mph speed limit from exit 56-58, but I-280 has a 50 mph speed limit from exit 15-17 due to the W.M. Stickel bridge.
Another note to Keep in mind is I-78 in Clinton,NJ has a 65 mph speed limit through an Urban area in northern Hunterdon county
Many Speed Limit charts found online showing NJ has a 65 rural limit/55 urban limit are incorrect. I persume one organization posted it that way, and the rest simply copy it. The vast majority of the Interstate/Limited Access highway network in NJ is classified as urban, and much of it has a 65 limit. Heck, the 14 lane/4 section NJ Turnpike between Exits 11 & 12 is 65mph.
Those charts also show the max limit on other roads is 50 mph, which is incorrect as well.
55 is the maximum limit that is allowed to be posted on all roadways except where 65 mph has been authorized by the State. That is why NJ has no 60 MPH speed limits.
50 is the default speed limit in rural areas if nothing else is posted. 25 is the default speed limit in urban areas if nothing else is posted. However, I do not know if these definitions correlate strictly to the NJDOT classification maps shown online. If they do, there are a lot of very rural areas classified as "urban."
Right...they're the DEFAULT limits, not the MAXIMUM limits! So depending on how you want to define the limit, the charts should be showing 65 mph for rural & urban, or 55 mph for rural and urban, but not 65 rural/55 urban.
The charts are clearly describing the maximum limits found on the highways (ie: http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/state-chart; http://www.iihs.org/laws/speedlimits.aspx , which does correctly show a 55 max other road limit), and thus 65 should be shown for both.
As far as the default limits go, I can only think of one road in all my NJ travels that doesn't have a posted limit - County Rt. 632 in Mantua, NJ, between NJ 45 & Rt. 678)
I would say that the GS state parkway has 55 mph speed limit from exit 10-100 and also a 55 mph zone does exsts from exit 127-163, but Exits 100-127 and 163 to New York stateline are 65 mph, but NJ turnpike is 65 MPH from exit 1-12, but 55 mph from exit 12-GWB
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 29, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
I would say that the GS state parkway has 55 mph speed limit from exit 10-100 and also a 55 mph zone does exsts from exit 127-163, but Exits 100-127 and 163 to New York stateline are 65 mph, but NJ turnpike is 65 MPH from exit 1-12, but 55 mph from exit 12-GWB
Actually, I think you meant the GSP speed limit is 55mph from MP 80 - 100, not 10 - 100! Below MP 80, it's 65 mph except on the Great Egg Harbor Bridge (45 mph) and where the traffic lights are located at "Interchanges" 9, 10 & 11 (50 mph).
Speaking off, the first of the contracts to start building the new overpasses there should be going out to bid soon.
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 25, 2012, 08:59:07 PMDid they finally raise it? Last time I drove it (no more thana year ago), I remember it being 55 the entire way from the Airport all the way down to West Linn, where it went up to 65. It was impossible for me to go that slow, I was naturally going around 67.
Nope - it's still 55 as soon as you hit the Glenn Jackson Bridge; however I think ODOT (which maintains the bridge) finally put up a "Speed Limit" sign on the Washington side rather than the Oregon spec "Speed" sign.
When ODOT was given the authority to raise speed limits they came up with this ridiculous requirement that speeds could not be increased unless traffic volumes were low enough, and the area was close enough to a major trauma center (which all but ruled out most rural areas). So all that happened was a few urban freeways increased from 55 to 60, such as I-84 between I-205 and Troutdale, I-5 through Salem and Eugene. You're absolutely right, I-205 is the most modern freeway in Oregon and can definitely support a 65 MPH speed limit safely.
Quote from: doorknob60 on November 25, 2012, 08:59:07 PMThey put a 70 on 14 now? I seem to recall it being 65 the whole way, but it's been a while since I've driven that section. Good for them.
I believe there's a Speed Limit 70 sign located just east of the U.S. 97 junction at Maryhill...but it's been quite a while since I've been out that way. It is definitely 55 west of there, with some areas with some very low advisory speeds (around Cape Horn and elsewhere between Washougal and Skamania, a lot of 25 MPH curves).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 30, 2012, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: Interstatefan78 on November 29, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
I would say that the GS state parkway has 55 mph speed limit from exit 10-100 and also a 55 mph zone does exsts from exit 127-163, but Exits 100-127 and 163 to New York stateline are 65 mph, but NJ turnpike is 65 MPH from exit 1-12, but 55 mph from exit 12-GWB
Actually, I think you meant the GSP speed limit is 55mph from MP 80 - 100, not 10 - 100! Below MP 80, it's 65 mph except on the Great Egg Harbor Bridge (45 mph) and where the traffic lights are located at "Interchanges" 9, 10 & 11 (50 mph).
Speaking off, the first of the contracts to start building the new overpasses there should be going out to bid soon.
Speaking of which, the next New Jersey meet I plan to have will be down in Cape May...
Quote from: sp_redelectric on November 30, 2012, 09:31:16 AM
I believe there's a Speed Limit 70 sign located just east of the U.S. 97 junction at Maryhill...but it's been quite a while since I've been out that way. It is definitely 55 west of there, with some areas with some very low advisory speeds (around Cape Horn and elsewhere between Washougal and Skamania, a lot of 25 MPH curves).
It's been a while since I've been all the way to US-97, but I know between Bingen and US-197, it's 60 the whole way now (except in the towns), so I would assume it's at least 60 the rest of the way from US-197 to 97. West of Bingen I'm pretty sure it doesn't go above 55 though.
I've driven around the valley freeways a LOT the past few years. Some have changed due to construction or end of construction. As of today (12/2/12) these are the posted "urban" limits in the Phoenix area:
-- I-10: 65 mph except around the Loop 303 construction zone in Goodyear, where it's 55 mph. 75 mph west of Verrado Way/Airport Rd in Buckeye, and 75 mph east of AZ 347/Queen Creek Rd.
-- I-17: 55 mph south of Dunlap Ave, 65 mph north to Carefree Hwy, 75 mph north of Carefree Hwy.
-- US 60: 65 mph on entire length of Superstition Fwy.
-- AZ 51: 55 mph south of Glendale Ave, 65 mph north of Glendale Ave.
-- AZ 143: 55 mph, 45 mph at each end.
-- Loop 101: 65 mph for entire length.
-- Loop 202: 65 mph for all except the connection to 40th St/Pecos Rd, where it's 55 mph, then 50 mph as it becomes Pecos Rd. There's a current 55 mph construction zone in Mesa between Guadalupe Rd and Power Rd, where ramps are being built for the future AZ 24/Gateway Fwy.
-- Loop 303: The current construction zone (I-10 to US 60/Grand Ave) ranges from 35 mph to 40 mph. When finished, this section should look similar to parts of Loop 202 in Mesa and Gilbert. 55 mph from US 60 to Happy Valley Pkwy. 65 mph from Happy Valley Pkwy to about a mile or two west of I-17. 55 mph, then 45 mph as Loop 303 connects to I-17 as a diamond interchange (Sonoran Desert Dr).
Atlanta:
- I-285 is signed at 55, not that anyone actually does 55 (it's usually either 65-70 or 20). Allegedly the limit is going up to 65 soon, with variable signs on the northern side.
- Most radial interstates drop from 65 to 55 near I-285, although where they drop differs (I-20 west has a 60 mph zone near I-285, for example). The 70-to-65 drop is relatively far out, compared to most other SE states.
- There is a 50 mph section of I-20 west of downtown.
- GA 400 is mostly 55 inside the loop and mostly 65 outside. 45 mph is signed through the toll plaza. Stays 65 through the end of the freeway section.
- Ronald Reagan Parkway is mostly 50 mph, except at the eastern terminus where it's 45.
- Sugarloaf Parkway's freeway section is mostly 55, except at the southern end where it drops to 45 before a signalized intersection.
Gainesville:
- I-985 drops to 65 south of town and stays at 65 through its terminus (the 65 limit continues with the roadway north).
Augusta:
- I-20 and I-220 are 55 mph throughout Richmond County.
Macon:
- I-75 drops from 70 to 65 NW of Forsyth (and stays 65 between Forsyth and I-475, despite that section being rural in character). Drops to 55 at Wesleyan Drive (near US 23), stays 55 through the city limits, then goes back to 65. Unclear where 70 officially begins again (signage-wise, NB it drops to 65 just south of Hartley Bridge Rd; SB it doesn't go up to 70 until you pass Sardis Church Rd, probably because they forgot to (re)install the 70 mph signs southbound at Hartley Bridge after exit 153 was built). It's 70 still through Houston and Peach counties, even though it passes through the Warner Robins MPO area and suburbanizing.
- I-16 is 55 mph to around milepost 3 or so, where it goes to 65; it increases to 70 near the Bibb/Twiggs line.
- I-475 is 65 mph throughout its length, even the portions inside Macon's city limits.
- Not clear what effect the municipal consolidation with Bibb County will have.
Athens:
- GA 10 Loop is at least partially 65; I haven't driven the full loop but I expect some of it is lower (particularly the non-freeway part).
Columbus:
- US 80 is mostly 65, except a short section at the east end where it transitions to a 45 mph surface arterial.
- Alt US 27 is also mostly 65, except at the terminus where it gets down to 50.
- I-185 is mostly or all 65; the southern few miles were previously posted at 55, but may have been increased now the widening project down to the Ft. Bennington interchange is done.
Valdosta:
- I-75 drops to 65 for a few miles, apparently for revenue enhancement.
Tifton:
- I-75 used to drop to 65, but no longer does.
It's been awhile since I went to Savannah or Brunswick, but my recollection is that I-95 does drop to 65 through these areas. IIRC the local freeways (Truman and Veterans) in Savannah are posted at 55.
Quote from: myosh_tino on October 10, 2011, 12:55:16 PM
Most San Francisco Bay Area freeways have a speed limit of 65 MPH although there are some freeways with 55 MPH limits. The lowest freeway speed limit that I know of is US 101 as it enters downtown San Francisco. It has a 50 MPH limit.
There are two slower in SF itself I can think of:
- 35 MPH on Presidio Parkway/US 101 but that is due to construction and isn't permanent
- 45 MPH on the northernmost section of the Junipero Serra Freeway/Route 1, between I-280 in Daly City and the end of the freeway section at Font Boulevard.
Is the Central Freeway part of US 101 at 55 or 50?
Quote from: flowmotion on November 27, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
That may have been what the deal was with this giant traffic jam we got caught up in on I-35 north of Hinckley, MN. It was just a typical one lane closes, contraflow set up like you might find in Kansas or Oklahoma, but for some reason Minnesota managed to get it snarled up beyond all recognition. It took forever to get through.
Yep, Minnesotans believe it to be "rude" to wait until the lane drop and do a zipper merge, like it's cheating somehow. Instead, they try to merge over as quickly as possible, even if it means blocking both lanes of traffic. :crazy:
Michiganders tend to zipper together early but keep moving. Chicagoans on the other hand tend to wait until the last freaking second and then bull, not zipper, their way in causing backups for miles. I swear no one around Chicago has ever heard of zippering with traffic.
Also, these morons (Chicagoans and Downstate Illinoisans) seem to believe that you can enter a freeway at 40 mph. In some areas (Detroit), that will get you run over and run off the road. Always enter a freeway at speed (70 mph or so).
Unless you are following a semi onto the freeway, in which case you are generally forced to go at their speed up until you can get away from them. I go through a truck stop interchange on my way to and from work each day and have to contend with semis getting on the interstates. Unless you intend on hitting the back of their truck you have to go at their pace.
Quote from: Brandon on December 25, 2012, 07:41:09 AM
Michiganders tend to zipper together early but keep moving. Chicagoans on the other hand tend to wait until the last freaking second and then bull, not zipper, their way in causing backups for miles. I swear no one around Chicago has ever heard of zippering with traffic.
This is one of those traffic equations that is tough to understand, especially when people see it at the moment they are going thru the area.
For argument's sake, let's say a freeway travel lane can handle 2,000 vph. And let's say a highway loses a lane, merging from 3 lanes to 2 lanes. Regardless of where people merge, if there are 4,000 vehicles or less per hour in and around the merge area, traffic can merge and keep flowing. If traffic volumes are greater than that, traffic will congest.
It has nothing to do with people waiting until the lane ends.
People will argue otherwise. The only way to truly understand how this works is to watch video for literally hours on end of how traffic is flowing. One would see that in both cases, traffic merge into the lanes that stay open early on, as well as traffic that remains in the lane that ends right up until the lane ends. The main variable though is the overall traffic on the roadway.
Quote from: Brandon on December 25, 2012, 07:41:09 AM
Quote from: flowmotion on November 27, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 24, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
That may have been what the deal was with this giant traffic jam we got caught up in on I-35 north of Hinckley, MN. It was just a typical one lane closes, contraflow set up like you might find in Kansas or Oklahoma, but for some reason Minnesota managed to get it snarled up beyond all recognition. It took forever to get through.
Yep, Minnesotans believe it to be "rude" to wait until the lane drop and do a zipper merge, like it's cheating somehow. Instead, they try to merge over as quickly as possible, even if it means blocking both lanes of traffic. :crazy:
Michiganders tend to zipper together early but keep moving. Chicagoans on the other hand tend to wait until the last freaking second and then bull, not zipper, their way in causing backups for miles. I swear no one around Chicago has ever heard of zippering with traffic.
Also, these morons (Chicagoans and Downstate Illinoisans) seem to believe that you can enter a freeway at 40 mph. In some areas (Detroit), that will get you run over and run off the road. Always enter a freeway at speed (70 mph or so).
There is some truth to this, although a recent journey along I-94 from IL to Detroit (and into ON) did reveal some pretty poor driving among Michiganders as well. At times, it was amateur hour over there and I felt no shame in sporting my IL plates while passing through southern Michigan.
A surprising thing to me (and I had forgotten about this) was that I-94 is only 2 lanes in each direction for most of it's path between Benton Harbor and Ann Arbor (with a few exceptions here and there). Combine that with a truck speed limit (60) that is 10 mph below that of cars and you have the recipe for lots of bottlenecks along a pretty busy - and somewhat overburdened - highway.
What MI does that is
MUCH better than the lunkheads in IL is set reasonable urban speed limits. While a 55 m.p.h. speed limit on IL tollways is a total joke, urban interstates in the Detroit area set limits of 65 or 70 m.p.h. in all but the most congested areas. Even in those zones, express lanes are marked at 70 m.p.h. while the local lanes are 55. Very sensible. Not like the idiocy of having a state-of-the-art roadway like the Tri-State Tollway, with an average speed of about 72 m.p.h., having a legal speed limit of 55 m.p.h.
IL needs to "get real" as far as speed limits go. 70 miles per hour where it's reasonable and you go down from there. MI is a good example, though - if anything - they need to hike the truck speed limit up a bit to 65. A 10 m.p.h. difference is too much and it creates a hazard.
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 25, 2012, 09:14:57 AM
Unless you are following a semi onto the freeway, in which case you are generally forced to go at their speed up until you can get away from them. I go through a truck stop interchange on my way to and from work each day and have to contend with semis getting on the interstates. Unless you intend on hitting the back of their truck you have to go at their pace.
When I enter an on-ramp behind a slow-moving truck, I slow almost to a stop at the foot of the ramp in order to allow a gap to form between my vehicle and the truck, then I accelerate at my normal rate so that, by the time I get to the head of the ramp, I'm at a reasonable highway speed and can immediately pass the truck if there's a gap in the left lane. If there's no gap in the left lane, then I slow down again, no worse off than if I'd stayed on his butt the whole time anyway. If there is more than a couple of cars behind me, I abandon this strategy to avoid pissing them off; when through traffic sees four or five vehicles entering, they typically move over anyway.
Quote from: Brandon on December 25, 2012, 07:41:09 AM
Also, these morons (Chicagoans and Downstate Illinoisans) seem to believe that you can enter a freeway at 40 mph. In some areas (Detroit), that will get you run over and run off the road. Always enter a freeway at speed (70 mph or so).
I rarely enter the highway at more than 55 mph, and usually enter at around 45 or 50, simply because I avoid revving my car's engine that high for fuel economy. I've never had any problems, and I've lived in both Chicago and downstate Illinois. Sometimes, in fact, trying to enter at highway speed puts me right next to an 18-wheeler with no room to merge; I'd rather slide back along the truck at a slower speed and duck in behind him. The only times I make sure to try and reach full highway speed on an on-ramp are when I know there's absolutely no wiggle room at the merge point–i.e., a hard curb line.
it's tough to have a single unified policy for freeway entry. as kphoger mentioned, sometimes one's acceleration curve precisely matches the location of an 18 wheeler in the right lane, so one has to accelerate a bit more slowly or quickly than anticipated to arrive at a gap in the rightmost lane and make a smooth transition.
usually, though, I try to hit the freeway already going at the speed of traffic. if this involves a bit of revving, I don't mind it as much as kphoger does. it's a very short acceleration and in the grand scheme of a full tank of gas, it's negligible. If I'm merging onto the freeway more than 15-20 times during a tank of gas, I'm probably doing other things which are significantly more wasteful, like sitting in surface-level traffic.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 26, 2012, 12:11:22 PM
usually, though, I try to hit the freeway already going at the speed of traffic. if this involves a bit of revving, I don't mind it as much as kphoger does. it's a very short acceleration and in the grand scheme of a full tank of gas, it's negligible. If I'm merging onto the freeway more than 15-20 times during a tank of gas, I'm probably doing other things which are significantly more wasteful, like sitting in surface-level traffic.
Yeah, of my 11-mile one-way daily commute, 10 miles are freeway. Accelerating from stoplights on short errands and freeway on-ramp entranaces, therfore, have a noticeable effect on my highway mileage.