Just curious because I saw and know there are quite a few of these on I-49 in Louisiana. Do other states/areas generally cover up part of the BGS when a highway number or destination changes or do they replace the sign? In Dallas for example, the exits for US 75 north changed to Mckinney rather than Sherman, and many of the signs just have Sherman covered.
The BGS's I saw this weekend on 49 in LA:
Exit 103 - Flatwoods, LA 8...always looks as if there was a 2nd city named, but it is green plated under Flatwoods
Exit 107 - Lena....huge space on a BGS for a tiny name. Some not all signs have a green cover up. Did this used to say Lena / Flatwoods?
Exit 132 - LA 478...the whole LA state shield appears to cover up an old shield. Was this a parish route before?
Exit 138 - Natchitoches / Many, LA 6....Many is covering an old destination. Has it always said Many? or perhaps Robeline or another town?
Exit 162 - Coushatta / Pleasant Hill, US 371, LA 177...I know that Coushatta is covering up what used to say Evelyn, the other destination for LA 177. When US 371 was extended, they added Coushatta as the city on the BGS.
So do any of you know the history for these "cover-ups?" What other ones do you know of and what is the usual action taken in your area?
California loves their coverups. Here are a pair of 1960 signs with 1964 patches.
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^ They sure do...
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Here, MoDOT took off the old lettering and applied new.
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Hard to see, but the old road name was covered up and changed.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2011, 12:35:53 PM
California loves their coverups. Here are a pair of 1960 signs with 1964 patches.
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Good Lord....
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Half the sign was covered here instead of removing or covering the extra shield.
Just posted this update on the I-82 guide (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0082wawa) FWIW:
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2006, Exit 114 was for the local Locust Grove Road
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2011, signed updated to reflect the 2009 SR 397 extension.
The second westbound sign is equally greened out (https://www.aaroads.com/west/washington082/i-082_wb_exit_114_10.jpg).
At the top of www.alpsroads.net/roads/oh/us_30/11.html there are several examples on OH 11/US 30 where everything but the border was patched.
Here's a recent set on I-95 in Jacksonville:
http://g.co/maps/tuyzc
The FL-9A one is for "I-295 Beltway East" or something like that.
In Michigan, they do coverups in an unusual way. Here's one on I-75 southbound past U.S. 12/Michigan Avenue in Detroit (I apologize for the quality, it was raining):
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^ Is that the new sign? If so, I think the 'cover-up' was placed on to the sign when it was erected, and will be removed to show the new distance once the final ramps are finished as part of the Gateway project.
Quebec does that, both for removing/replacing destinations, or for temporarys legend during construction.
A-10 has a bunch of modified destinations on old signs; they even made a blue patch for a very old blue sign.
Some signs on A-50's side roads had awkward gray patches hiding the closed ramps' legends.
On the new section of A-30 in Saint-Constant (and also A-730), the control city is Châteauguay for the eastbound direction, but it's on a patch that will eventually be removed once the highway is extended past the city, probably revealing something like Vaudreuil-Dorion.
Signs are up for the section of A-30 between A-15 and the rest of A-30 in Candiac, with large green patches for the future through lanes.
You mean like this?
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^ Like that, but a little prettier.
Quote from: corco on October 11, 2011, 09:46:23 PM
You mean like this?
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WHOA! When was this?
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QuoteWHOA! When was this?
August 30, 2009
Here's the advance signage
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what was the original layout of the EAST 440/TO 9-GSP sign? I see where the GSP sign originally was. My guess is GSP and 9 were signed directly without a "TO"?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2011, 10:23:21 PM
what was the original layout of the EAST 440/TO 9-GSP sign? I see where the GSP sign originally was. My guess is GSP and 9 were signed directly without a "TO"?
That circle mark might've been from an NJ 440 shield, because another sign at the interchange has a cutout NJ 440:
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you're right. but I think I might lean towards it being the GSP and 9 combo, given the control cities.
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on October 11, 2011, 09:25:33 PM
^ Is that the new sign? If so, I think the 'cover-up' was placed on to the sign when it was erected, and will be removed to show the new distance once the final ramps are finished as part of the Gateway project.
That sign has been around long before the Gateway Project was even planned, in fact it still has an M-3 shield, indicating it was erected before 2001. The coverup is actually covering up the pre-project distance to the bridge.
ODOT, generally, is all about the cover up/patch.
Quote from: corco on October 11, 2011, 09:46:23 PM
You mean like this?
Same colour, better execution. Like, it was actually straight and covered everything you didn't need to see.
Before the US 78 freeway was completed around Jasper, AL, the city below Jasper in this picture used to say "Birmingham."
http://g.co/maps/r26b4
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Hey Richie: any idea what the destination was before Independence?
Tying this in to control-cities issues, there was* a spot on I-95 southbound just south of Baltimore where the control city on the pull-through was Washington but you could still see, on the line below, that they'd removed a "Richmond."
*haven't seen it lately; I wonder if they've replaced it
I think it's all about how the sign is fabricated.
In Kentucky, the greenout is the exception, not the rule. Since we use demountable copy, we just take the lettering or route marker off the BGS and replace it.
Pennsylvania applies the lettering or route markers directly to the signs -- I call it "silk screening" for lack of a better term -- so they have to use greenouts.
^ And it seems like Kentucky is the exception as it comes to BGS fabrication. Demountable copy isn't in widespread use much, as it's simpler to apply lettering in the sheeting process as it is easily computer controlled nowadays. However, this would seem to be one of the plausible arguments in favor of demountable copy.
Quote from: US71 on October 12, 2011, 09:11:58 AM
Hey Richie: any idea what the destination was before Independence?
Monarchy?
^ It was obviously Colony: http://g.co/maps/pn8gu :sombrero:
West Virginia's using demountable copy, as well. There are a couple of really good examples along I-64. On the signage for US 52 north, button copy text for Chesapeake, OH has been removed and replaced with reflective lettering for Ironton, OH. And on the signage for the WV 34 exit, Winfield was removed because Winfield is now accessible from US 35.
There were a lot of cover-ups in Oklahoma when the state highway shield changed in 2006. Sometimes it didn't go so well (standards are your friend):
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And here's an interesting change made to a sign on the Kansas Turnpike...before (2006):
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And after (2011):
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Quote from: Scott5114 on October 22, 2011, 10:37:23 AM
And after (2011):
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That's a pretty interesting patch job there. Here's my observations...
* The I-35 pull though... why didn't they just overlay the two down arrows with "Wichita"? While it's obvious there are two through lanes here for I-35 the way that sign is currently laid out there gotta be a MUTCD violation.
* In the original photo, there's a ramp advisory speed limit sign posted on the right shoulder. Apparently that got replaced by plaques on the overhead sign next to the exit number and underneath the exit gore sign. Is that something that's common out there in Kansas? The use of a ramp advisory speed limit sign is a common sight in California.