Just so you know our President now has a four lane arterial named in his sake in Orlando, FL from Conroy Road to MetroWest Boulevard just east of FL 435 along a power line right of way. It was opened this week just in time for his visit to our city.
I rode it yesterday, and it does help going from SB Kirkman to EB Conroy as now you can turn left onto LB McLeod to reach the new road and then south into Conroy. That Conroy Kirkman light can be a nightmare at times. Turning SB to EB has a very short left turn signal.
There are interesting I-4 shields at its southern terminus with Conroy Road saying "TO JCT I-4" and a nice END Pres. Barack Obama Parkway and at the entrance to an apartment complex directly across from its southern end a "Private Property- No Through Access" assembly there.
I plan to submit a photo soon, and maybe I will send one to Hannity on Fox to make his day LOL! Nonetheless, the signs could be of interest here as well as the TO JCT assemblies. I have not gotten the chance yet to stop and taken pictures of this, plus my computer is being repaired as well.
Couldn't they at least wait until he's been out of office for a few years?
:rolleyes:
Mike
I was wondering when the first road named after him would open up. Though, I think this is a tad too soon. Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
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Quote from: qguy on October 15, 2011, 07:05:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
now you can turn left...
Well of course.
It's not Left Turn Only?
I figured it would straight down the middle with lanes being added to the right as you proceed.
Quote from: Zmapper on October 15, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
....Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
Nixon- and Reagan-worshippers.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on October 15, 2011, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Zmapper on October 15, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
....Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
Nixon- and Reagan-worshippers.
Robert Moses. Perhaps even the Appian Way.
Anyway, this is old news (the only thing that's new is that the extension opened). http://edocs.ci.orlando.fl.us/asv/paperlessagenda.nsf/74ef3f7ef7a1a8fb852573f50052b3a3/9db36bf38b912fbc852575a10046cc0d/$FILE/SNC2009-00001%20mission%20rd%20st%20name%20chg.pdf
^^Did Robert Moses name anything after himself (or anyone else) during his (or their) lifetime? My answer was actually serious: I believe California named something for Nixon before he died, and I'm certain National Airport in Washington (at Congress' insistance - Metro funding being held hostage as a quid pro quo) was renamed for Reagan before he died.
European examples don't count: countries with monarchies will litter themselves with, say, hospitals named after whatever member of the royal family showed up to cut the ribbon, and one city in France had the colossal gall (so to speak) to name a street after Mumia abu-Jamal, who's not dead yet. But is the Appian Way named after someone?
I'm all for not naming things after living people, or putting them on stamps or coins. And, yes, if you can't hold off until they're dead, at least wait until they're out of office and not likely to run for anything else.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on October 16, 2011, 08:59:59 AM
^^Did Robert Moses name anything after himself (or anyone else) during his (or their) lifetime?
I don't know if Moses himself did it, but the Robert Moses State Parkway, Robert Moses Causeway, and two Robert Moses State Parks were named in 1963 (he died in 1981).
How about Brendan T Byrne, the former NJ governor, naming the current IZOD Center after himself when he was Governor of New Jersey. It was the Brendan Byrne Arena until naming rights came into play for sport venues. Thank God for that, because many New Jerseyians at the time were outraged at that!
Quote from: NE2 on October 15, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
Robert Moses. Perhaps even the Appian Way.
Anyway, this is old news (the only thing that's new is that the extension opened). http://edocs.ci.orlando.fl.us/asv/paperlessagenda.nsf/74ef3f7ef7a1a8fb852573f50052b3a3/9db36bf38b912fbc852575a10046cc0d/$FILE/SNC2009-00001%20mission%20rd%20st%20name%20chg.pdf
Let's also add to the list, streets or bridges named to former popular athletes like Pete Rose (who have the Pete Rose drive in Cicinnati), Joe Montana (Joe Montana bridges on PA-43), Wayne Gretzky (Wayne Gretzky drive in Edmonton), Guy Lafleur (there a Guy Lafleur Blvd in Thurso)
Robert Byrd had just about every building, highway, park, bridge, tunnel, dam, sewer, lake, and cow patty in the state of West Virginia named after him before he died.
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 16, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 15, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
Robert Moses. Perhaps even the Appian Way.
Anyway, this is old news (the only thing that's new is that the extension opened). http://edocs.ci.orlando.fl.us/asv/paperlessagenda.nsf/74ef3f7ef7a1a8fb852573f50052b3a3/9db36bf38b912fbc852575a10046cc0d/$FILE/SNC2009-00001%20mission%20rd%20st%20name%20chg.pdf
Let's also add to the list, streets or bridges named to former popular athletes like Pete Rose (who have the Pete Rose drive in Cicinnati), Joe Montana (Joe Montana bridges on PA-43), Wayne Gretzky (Wayne Gretzky drive in Edmonton), Guy Lafleur (there a Guy Lafleur Blvd in Thurso)
There is also a Wayne Gretzky Parkway in Brantford, Ontario, which is his hometown.
Don Shula has an entire freeway (SR-874) named after him in Miami and he's not dead.
What's really interesting here is that he's still in the job he's famous for - how many of these naming things after living people happen after they've retired? I'd say most of them.
Why shouldn't European examples not count? It seems unfair to rule out many legit examples because of the 'name it after the patron/monarch' thing - sure rule those out, but not the whole caboodle.
The final section of Derby's ring road is named after Lara Croft (they let the public give suggestions), who, while never actually living, isn't (IIRC) defunct as a fictional character - stuff still is being made. I bring it up as it's an interesting occurrence.
I'm fairly certain that many of the Beaconsfield Roads, unrelated to the town itself, come from when the first (and only) Earl of Beaconsfield was alive, and not (unlike many other roads named after peers) because he owned the land. It's very similar to naming something now after Obama or Bush, because most people know him better as Benjamin Disraeli.
Quote from: english si on October 17, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
The final section of Derby's ring road is named after Lara Croft (they let the public give suggestions)
Attention, this is Principal Skinner, your principal, with a message from the Principal's Office. All students please proceed immediately to an assembly in the Butthead Memorial Auditorium. (to himself) Dammit, I wish we hadn't let the students name that one.
Quote from: english si on October 17, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
What's really interesting here is that he's still in the job he's famous for - how many of these naming things after living people happen after they've retired? I'd say most of them.
Why shouldn't European examples not count? It seems unfair to rule out many legit examples because of the 'name it after the patron/monarch' thing - sure rule those out, but not the whole caboodle.
The final section of Derby's ring road is named after Lara Croft (they let the public give suggestions), who, while never actually living, isn't (IIRC) defunct as a fictional character - stuff still is being made. I bring it up as it's an interesting occurrence.
I'm fairly certain that many of the Beaconsfield Roads, unrelated to the town itself, come from when the first (and only) Earl of Beaconsfield was alive, and not (unlike many other roads named after peers) because he owned the land. It's very similar to naming something now after Obama or Bush, because most people know him better as Benjamin Disraeli.
Re European examples: I was being facetious, in response to someone mentioning the Appian Way. But serious too: there really was a long-standing tradition here of not naming things after living people, which is not true of, for example, the U.K. We still don't put living people on coins, or I believe stamps.
Although I admit - as the other posts in this thread show - that tradition lapsed earlier and more, um, profusely than I thought it did.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on October 15, 2011, 08:27:07 PM
Nixon- and Reagan-worshippers.
To be accurate, I don't think there are many Reagan-worshippers who are also Nixon-worshipers.
As to the tradition of naming things, yes, the old tradition is (or perhaps *was*) to refrain from naming something after someone until after the person had passed away. That's why the things were generally called the So-and-so Memorial Thingy. Things are named "in memory of" someone who has died, "in honor of" someone who is still living.
In the late 70s, a basketball/hockey arena at the Meadowlands in NJ was named after the then-sitting and still-very-much-alive Gov. Brendan Byrne. It was called the Brendan Byrne Arena (naturally enough). No kidding, people were so incensed at the flagrant poor tast and arrogant self-aggrandizement (yes, even in NJ), that for years during games they booed every time the name was mentioned over the house speakers. I heard it many times myself. Byrnes successor, Gov. Kean (pronounced "kane" for all you non-New Jersians), renamed it shortly after he took office.
Nowadays politicians angling to curry favor with any interest group they can find will name something after someone still living if they think it will jazz people up. And I'm not referring specifically to the facility ID'd in the OP. The phenomonon is pandemic.
^^I remember the Brendan Byrne Arena, and thinking it was weird that it was named after someone living (heck, was he still in office?)
If that happened today, most people probably wouldn't bat an eye. (What is this world coming to? :-D)
Quote from: qguy on October 17, 2011, 11:24:17 PM
Byrnes successor, Gov. Kean (pronounced "kane" for all you non-New Jersians), renamed it shortly after he took office.
Shortly in this case means 14 years after Kean took office.
(it got renamed in '96)
Ya got me on that. I forgot how long it was. Kean didn't want to be seen as petty and vindictive so he let it go. High road and all that.
Quote from: qguy on October 18, 2011, 10:05:48 AM
If that happened today, most people probably wouldn't bat an eye. (What is this world coming to? :-D)
Because we've been numbed by things named after banks that therefore change their names every three years or so.
I think some of this behavior is the "we did it first"-mentality...any PR is still news if it involves a controversial person.
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It's nice to know Autoroute 640 is finally being recognized for it's achievements. Soon, they'll rename Rue de Celine Dion for its contributions to society.
What about Frank Lautenburg of NJ. He is still alive and the new Secaucus Transfer Station is named after him. Same party as Obama.
Quote from: Zmapper on October 15, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
This is not the first time: George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston.
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Quote from: Zmapper on October 15, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
This is not the first time: George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston.
CIA headquarters near DC is also named after Bush. The signs on the GW Parkway say "George Bush Center for Central Intelligence," which always makes me laugh because it doesn't specify George H.W. Bush. I'm sure there are plenty of anti—George W. Bush drivers who see that sign and are outraged because they assume it refers to "W." (The elder Bush was the head of the CIA for about a year during the Ford Administration.)
Reagan Airport here in Virginia was renamed for the former president in the late 1990s when he was still alive, though his Alzheimer's was fairly far advanced by then.
Quote from: Zmapper on October 15, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
I was wondering when the first road named after him would open up. Though, I think this is a tad too soon. Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
The Postal Service used to have that policy, but I think they changed it a few years ago.
Besides, there's a George Bush Tollway in Texas, a Bill Clinton Blvd in Fayetteville, AR (and another in Little Rock) and a Jimmy Carter Rd in Georgia.
why do we venerate our former political leaders so much? I have always been a fan of how other countries give national significance to scientists, artists, social reformers, etc. but we name our airports and dams after forgettable presidents like Bush and Hoover.
We name stuff after social reformers too (e.g. Chavez, King). Artists - I guess Elvis Presley Boulevard counts.
Quote from: NE2 on October 27, 2011, 11:37:13 AM
We name stuff after social reformers too (e.g. Chavez, King).
anybody
else? we appear to have one token black civil rights leader, and one token Hispanic one, after whom a street must be named in every community ... but good luck finding a Booker T Washington Boulevard.
personally, I'd like to see an entire state or perhaps the entire country named Teslaland but that will never happen.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:47:25 AM
good luck finding a Booker T Washington Boulevard.
http://g.co/maps/46w4e
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:47:25 AM
personally, I'd like to see an entire state or perhaps the entire country named Teslaland but that will never happen.
There's the township of Edison, NJ, though I guess he was more of an experimenter than a pure scientist.
Quote from: NE2 on October 27, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:47:25 AM
good luck finding a Booker T Washington Boulevard.
http://g.co/maps/46w4e
I knew you'd be good for it!
QuoteQuote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:47:25 AM
personally, I'd like to see an entire state or perhaps the entire country named Teslaland but that will never happen.
There's the township of Edison, NJ, though I guess he was more of an experimenter than a pure scientist.
he certainly counts. plus given general reports of his personality, this clears the way for a town called Jobs. Maybe Rick Perry can do something about that.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:47:25 AManybody else? we appear to have one token black civil rights leader, and one token Hispanic one, after whom a street must be named in every community ... but good luck finding a Booker T Washington Boulevard.
France seems to have only one famous person that wasn't royalty, President, a saint or Foreign and it seems like every settlement honors him with a Rue Victor Hugo.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 27, 2011, 11:37:13 AM
We name stuff after social reformers too (e.g. Chavez, King).
anybody else? we appear to have one token black civil rights leader, and one token Hispanic one, after whom a street must be named in every community ... but good luck finding a Booker T Washington Boulevard.
personally, I'd like to see an entire state or perhaps the entire country named Teslaland but that will never happen.
The Jane Addams Tollway.
Of course, nearly every town has a Sam Walton St or Wal-Mart Drive :-D ;-)
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
CIA headquarters near DC is also named after Bush. The signs on the GW Parkway say "George Bush Center for Central Intelligence," ...
A bit of an oxymoron if I ever saw one. :-D
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 11:28:09 AM
why do we venerate our former political leaders so much? I have always been a fan of how other countries give national significance to scientists, artists, social reformers, etc. but we name our airports and dams after forgettable presidents like Bush and Hoover.
Truer words never spoken...then again, the average person has no idea who Invented the television set or proposed the World Wide Web.
Quote from: formulanone on October 27, 2011, 05:54:16 PM
proposed the World Wide Web.
Some military douchebag with a Pentagon toilet named after him, most likely.
Quote from: formulanone on October 27, 2011, 05:54:16 PM
Truer words never spoken...then again, the average person has no idea who Invented the television set or proposed the World Wide Web.
eh, those two were basically gradual developments of concepts without a single agreed-upon "eureka!" moment.
except of course we know that Al Gore invented both, personally assembling the prototypes in his garage out of old pinball machine parts.
Sometimes they are named after their promoters. In Illinois I-172 the Streiby Expressway is named after a former head of teh Quincy Highway committee(its in rmsandw's site)
The rest of the road, the IL 110 to Macomb is named after Thomas Oakley Chairman of Quincy Newspapers who gave his endorsement only to politicians who would build his road.
There is a street two blocks from my house named Sabin--after, presumably, the inventor of the oral polio vaccine. (As far as I know, there is not a Salk Street nearby.)
There's the John Paul Hammerschmidt Freeway (I-540)
Wilbur Mills Freeway (I-630)
Martha Mitchell Expressway (Bus US 65 Pine Bluff)
I-40 in Arkansas is also the Veteran's Memorial Highway
Part of I-44 in Missouri is Mel Hancock Freeway
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on October 16, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Let's also add to the list, streets or bridges named to former popular athletes like Pete Rose (who have the Pete Rose drive in Cicinnati), Joe Montana (Joe Montana bridges on PA-43), Wayne Gretzky (Wayne Gretzky drive in Edmonton), Guy Lafleur (there a Guy Lafleur Blvd in Thurso)
Then there's the small town in eastern Montana that renamed itself Joe, Montana, as a fundraising move (believe me, it needed the $ -- and it did get a brand-new community center/city hall/firehouse out of it). The Postal Service has always called the town Ismay, and the use of the Joe name seems to have faded away. I visited twice, and picked up several souvenirs (//www.alaskaroads.com/roadgeek-souvenirs-page1.htm) on my first visit while the fundraising effort was still active.
I'm sure Disney lawyers have sent threatening letters to every small town in Montana, telling each not to even think about renaming itself Hannah.
Isn't there a Jeff Gordon Blvd in Pittsfield, IN? As far as I know, he's still doing well in the Winston Nextel Sprint Cup.
Quote from: Zmapper on October 27, 2011, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
CIA headquarters near DC is also named after Bush. The signs on the GW Parkway say "George Bush Center for Central Intelligence," ...
A bit of an oxymoron if I ever saw one. :-D
The point of the remaining part of my prior comment seems to have been underscored.
Quote from: oscar on October 27, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
I'm sure Disney lawyers have sent threatening letters to every small town in Montana, telling each not to even think about renaming itself Hannah.
Who would be dumb enough to do that? :pan:
Lombardi Ave, Holmgren Way and Brett Favre Pass in Green Bay (the third is 1 block ending in a cul-de-sac by his restauraunt) It won't be long and McCarthey and Mr. Rodgers will have streets named after them too.
There's John Lee Hooker Ln in Clarksdale, Miss.
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B.B. King Road in Indianola, Miss.
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Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 27, 2011, 06:17:30 PM
eh, those two were basically gradual developments of concepts without a single agreed-upon "eureka!" moment.
Philo Farnsworth and Tim Berners Lee? Nah, just give credit to Thomas Edison and Ben Franklin, then.
Quote from: oscar on October 27, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
...Joe Montana souvenirs....
(//www.alaskaroads.com/joe-montana-envelope.jpg)
Wow, I remember when you could buy pre-posted envelopes for the same price as the stamp itself (this was around 1992). Bought about 50 of those when I went off to college...deal of the century when I made minimum wage money!
Here is a sign assembly from the street named after the Commander in Chief.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/6565069685/in/photostream
That sign is a waste of money. They'll have to replace the sign with one that doesn't say "Pres." (or says "Former Pres.") in a few years anyway. Besides, they don't post the end of other famous streets such as Michigan Avenue in Chicago or 5th Avenue in New York with a sign like that.
Once a president, always a president.
Quote from: NE2 on December 24, 2011, 01:38:43 PM
Once a president, always a president.
except for David Atchison.
I have to ask... was that sign payed for with federal government stimulus funds?
Quote from: NE2 on December 24, 2011, 01:38:43 PM
Once a president, always a president.
He is right! Even JFK and Honest Abe are still President Kennedy and President Lincoln spite they have moved on either decades and centuries ago.
Spotted in West Park, Florida last month:
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Remember those puzzles you see sometimes with the really tall, skinny letters that are almost impossible to read unless you stare at them for a while?
That reminds me of one of those. Jeez, pick one name, don't sign both.
I'm pretty sure the MUTCD says somewhere that guide signs are to be sized to fit their contents, not the other way around. Street name signs are a type of guide sign, right?
Those laminate signs have been in use for at least 5-10 years now in South Florida, so my guess is that they just replaced the SW 40 Street panels with an "updated" version.
You'd think "Obama Blvd" would be sufficient for the sign.
Quote from: realjd on December 26, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
You'd think "Obama Blvd" would be sufficient for the sign.
That was my thought, too. It's not as if there's any other "Obama" who a street would be named for.
Quote from: Central Avenue on December 26, 2011, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: realjd on December 26, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
You'd think "Obama Blvd" would be sufficient for the sign.
That was my thought, too. It's not as if there's any other "Obama" who a street would be named for.
I think
Ricardo Mangue Obama Nfubea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Mangue_Obama_Nfubea) might want to have a word with you. :sombrero:
Because if there's one person who needs a road in Florida named after him, it's the former prime minister of Equatorial Guinea. :p
Well, Mr. President got to see his namesake street yesterday en route from Orlando International AIrport to WIndermere, FL His motorcade went on FL 528, FL Turnpike, I-4, and Conroy Road past his parkway. It would be nice to see his reaction to it! His motorcade actually had a rolling roadblock traveling East on I-4 so there would be no stopped traffic . However, I was on Westbound I-4 where he was not traveling on, yet the WB I-4 to the FL Turnpike ramp was sealed off until the Presidient passed by, even though he was going the other way from NB to EB.
I am guessing the narrow ramp configuration is not considered secure enough like the wide freeways are.
There's the Haley Barbour Parkway in Yazoo City, MS, named after our former governor.
Quote from: US71 on October 27, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: oscar on October 27, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
I'm sure Disney lawyers have sent threatening letters to every small town in Montana, telling each not to even think about renaming itself Hannah.
Who would be dumb enough to do that? :pan:
Montana. They have a town called Joe.
Maybe we should take a cue from Mexico and just name all of our streets after dates instead of people.
Quote from: bugo on February 25, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: US71 on October 27, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: oscar on October 27, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
I'm sure Disney lawyers have sent threatening letters to every small town in Montana, telling each not to even think about renaming itself Hannah.
Who would be dumb enough to do that? :pan:
Montana. They have a town called Joe.
Don't forget, Oklahoma named a town after Gene Autry, who I'm sure a lot of younger people have never heard of.
Truth or Consequences, NM?
:spin:
Mike
Jim Thorpe, PA
You know there is a bridge named after a hero that was not in public office nor was a preacher, spokesperson, athlete, etc.
That would be the Arland Williams Bridge (I-395 & US 1 Northbound) over the Potomac River between Washington, DC and Arlington, VA.
He was a passenger aboard the Air Florida Jet Flight 90 that crashed into the Potomac decades ago in 1982 that could have been rescued from the icy waters of the river as this happened in mid Winter. Instead, he insisted that the rescue workers take another person stranded in the water besides him and when they finally came for him, he perished. That has gotten to be the best situation for a bridge or road to be named after as what Mr. Williams did was selfishness and thought of another life before his own in this me first world that we live in.
^ Your post title seems a little off...
Teleprompter's acting up. Or whatever the latest talking point is.
I spread a rumour back in c.1997 that the Long Beach Freeway ( CA 15 / CA 7 / I-710 ) had its control "city" sign changed from "Valley Blvd" to "Versace's Tomb" , in honour of the recently-deceased Gianni Versace .
:bigass:
Many actually believed me :-D
Regarding the naming / renaming of streets , etc. , after political figures : stop already ! How many Martin Luther King (Jr.) Blvd's do we need !?!
Even those whom live or have grown up in the East Los Angeles area were irritated that Brooklyn Avenue had its name changed to Ceasar Chavez Avenue !!
It's nothing more than a political arse kissing , absolute waste of tax payers' money .
I agree that streets , etc. , should be named after those whom actually , I dunno , contributed to society in a positive way (not to say that Dr. King didn't do just that ) .
Beyond that , it's just a case of cult-of-personality .
You think naming streets after current presidents is insane? We are already naming streets after future presidents! http://goo.gl/maps/TvXo :bigass:
Hye look, necrobump!
Anything in LA or Kern counties named after Michael D. Antonovich. Good lord do we really need another courthouse or adopt-a-hwy or open preserve land named after him? Everyone's allowed their own opinion but at this point I'd rather an Obama Blvd than another Atonovich. At least in these parts Obama is still pretty much supported.
No streets named after Atonovich but please no more!
The only real reason anybody has named any streets after President Obama is because they were caught up in the frenzy of him replacing fomer President George Walker Bush. It's the same reason he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. You've got a global mentaility that stupidly blames Bush for a war started by Al-Qaida, and a man who during the 2008 elections promised to undo everything that's necessary to destroy them by "reaching out" to other cultures. Too many people incorrectly think we're the Fourth Reich or something, and then once Obama was elected they assumed "Yay! Now we'll have peace for a change," when in reality we weren't the ones causing the war we're in, and our enemies are.
As far as Robert Moses was concerned, I forget where I read this, but naming Robert Moses State Park really wasn't his idea, but he went along with it. All the plans I've seen indicate that it was simply supposed to be called "Fire Island State Park."
With so many people mentioning the Brendan Byrne Arena, I thought I'd bring up the fact that Secaucus Junction is officially named "Frank R. Lautenberg Secaucus Junction Station," but I honestly doubt that too many people really call it that. Further southwest, Wilmington, Delaware's historic French Street Station was renamed "Joseph R. Biden Jr. Railroad Station," last year which is complete and utter BS as far as I'm concerned.
Years ago, I tried to suggest that FDOT Region #7 name some street after a woman named Lois Marrero, who was the first female Tampa police office to die in the line of duty. That still hasn't happened.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 18, 2012, 07:30:27 AM
The only real reason anybody has named any streets after President Obama is because they were caught up in the frenzy of him replacing fomer President George Walker Bush. It's the same reason he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. You've got a global mentaility that stupidly blames Bush for a war started by Al-Qaida, and a man who during the 2008 elections promised to undo everything that's necessary to destroy them by "reaching out" to other cultures. Too many people incorrectly think we're the Fourth Reich or something, and then once Obama was elected they assumed "Yay! Now we'll have peace for a change," when in reality we weren't the ones causing the war we're in, and our enemies are.
He needs to change his name to Barack Hussein Oblamer.
Please try to stay on topic, and discuss roads named after politicians WITHOUT bashing either side. Not everyone shares the same opinion or beliefs about you when it comes to politics, and that fact needs to be respected.
Quote from: 1970_i feel alright on June 17, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
I spread a rumour back in c.1997 that the Long Beach Freeway ( CA 15 / CA 7 / I-710 ) had its control "city" sign changed from "Valley Blvd" to "Versace's Tomb" , in honour of the recently-deceased Gianni Versace .
:bigass:
Many actually believed me :-D
Regarding the naming / renaming of streets , etc. , after political figures : stop already ! How many Martin Luther King (Jr.) Blvd's do we need !?!
Even those whom live or have grown up in the East Los Angeles area were irritated that Brooklyn Avenue had its name changed to Ceasar Chavez Avenue !!
It's nothing more than a political arse kissing , absolute waste of tax payers' money .
I agree that streets , etc. , should be named after those whom actually , I dunno , contributed to society in a positive way (not to say that Dr. King didn't do just that ) .
Beyond that , it's just a case of cult-of-personality .
How many Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan (among others) named highways do we need?
I think it's okay to name new or physically-changed things after people who have been dead (or retired and reclusive) long enough for their reputations to stabilize. In Columbus, we have a MLKJ Blvd that (appears to me without doing any research) was built in some kind of redevelopment in the 70s. Cincinnati's Ronald Reagan highway has been called that as long as I can remember, and I think it was pretty darn new when I became aware of it during Bush 41's presidency. I'm okay with these names.
But renaming something after a still-actively-famous person (or corporation) without any physical change to the thing being renamed is just dumb. (Unless maybe the existing name is outstandingly boring, like the Eighteenth Avenue building on Ohio State campus. Seriously, most buildings on campus are named after people, and the rest are at least named after a field of study or the function the building serves...)
In Seaside, there's an Obama Way there, although it's still signed as Broadway Avenue. The signs that say Obama Way are brown instead of green. I wonder what the reasoning behind this decision is, as none of the other streets in the area are named after presidents.
QuoteDue to his student-athlete accomplishments, moral integrity, and spiritual inspiration, a small stretch of road between the Mid-Bay Bridge and Highway 98 in Destin, FL has been dedicated as Danny Wuerffel Way by the Florida state legislature.
Not a politician....yet. Heisman Trophy/Florida Gators winner Danny Wuerffel.
To bump this thread and to bring it roughly back to the original topic, A new service plaza in Moneygall, Ireland has been named after Barack O'bama (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/supermacs-chief-hits-road-with-7m-obama-plaza-30316133.html).
Any guess what Chicago-area freeway will be renamed for Obama? They've already got Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan (not to mention two-time presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson).
And we have a local elementary school named for both Barack AND Michelle Obama.
Quote from: FightingIrish on May 31, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Any guess what Chicago-area freeway will be renamed for Obama? They've already got Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan (not to mention two-time presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson).
And we have a local elementary school named for both Barack AND Michelle Obama.
I-57 ???
Quote from: Zmapper on October 15, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
I was wondering when the first road named after him would open up. Though, I think this is a tad too soon. Whatever happened to the idea that you have to be dead before you could get something named after you?
There is also a road in East St. Louis named after him unfortunately.
Quote from: sandwalk on June 01, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: FightingIrish on May 31, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Any guess what Chicago-area freeway will be renamed for Obama? They've already got Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan (not to mention two-time presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson).
And we have a local elementary school named for both Barack AND Michelle Obama.
I-57 ???
Ahh, forgot about I-57. It appears to be the only local freeway without a name.
And it is on the south side, so that works too.
EDIT: Looks like Chicago does have an Obama Dr.:
http://www.chicagonow.com/vociferous-envoy/2014/04/is-it-too-soon-to-name-things-after-president-barack-obama/
And then there's these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Barack_Obama
Maybe they'll name the Illiana after him.
I am surprised that no one named a road after Michael Jackson considering that he was born in the Chicago Area. He was known as the King of Pop and had more media coverage than anyone has ever had after their passing.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
I am surprised that no one named a road after Michael Jackson considering that he was born in the Chicago Area. He was known as the King of Pop and had more media coverage than anyone has ever had after their passing.
That would be Gary, IN. And they did put a commemorative marker outside the Jackson family home, which, interestingly enough, is located on Jackson Street.
105 posts, including a long discussion on whether roads should be named after living persons, and not a single mention of the Bud Shuster Highway? Shame on you, AARoads. :no: :-P
Anyway, I went back to the first couple pages of this topic from 2011-12. Even though there were people on both ends of the political spectrum (as there have been and always will be in this community), everyone was able to talk about the topic without mudslinging. There was joking from both sides and no bitterness.
Have things really gotten that much worse on these forums, where it's angry one liner after angry one liner? I don't want us going down that path... and while I'd much prefer the option of "step back, take a deep breath, and stop taking everything personally", it might be better to cease political tangents altogether.
Who the heck revived this thread and why?!? :pan:
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 02, 2014, 12:07:16 AM
Who the heck revived this thread and why?!? :pan:
Quote from: english si on May 31, 2014, 06:49:06 AM
To bump this thread and to bring it roughly back to the original topic, A new service plaza in Moneygall, Ireland has been named after Barack O'bama (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/supermacs-chief-hits-road-with-7m-obama-plaza-30316133.html).
Does this answer your question.
Political discussion split off, shitcanned. Autofellatio is a better option than discussing politics online.
Quote from: FightingIrish on June 01, 2014, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: sandwalk on June 01, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: FightingIrish on May 31, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Any guess what Chicago-area freeway will be renamed for Obama? They've already got Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan (not to mention two-time presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson).
And we have a local elementary school named for both Barack AND Michelle Obama.
I-57 ???
Ahh, forgot about I-57. It appears to be the only local freeway without a name.
It does, in fact, have a name, as does I-80. They just are never used.
I-57 is the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, and I-80 is the Moline Expressway.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 01, 2014, 03:20:07 PM
Maybe they'll name the Illiana after him.
I highly doubt it. Obama is a Chicago Democrat, and the Illiana Expressway is in Will County. The Will County Dems and Chicago Dems are not exactly friendly with each other.
So, is the Dan Ryan shaped like Λ, or like λ? Either way is stupid.
Quote from: vtk on June 02, 2014, 10:26:31 AM
So, is the Dan Ryan shaped like Λ, or like λ? Either way is stupid.
Neither. I-94 leaves the Dan Ryan at the Split/Merge and follows the Bishop Ford Freeway (aka Calumet Expressway). The Ryan turns west then south along I-57.
Quote from: Brandon on June 02, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: vtk on June 02, 2014, 10:26:31 AM
So, is the Dan Ryan shaped like Λ, or like λ? Either way is stupid.
Neither. I-94 leaves the Dan Ryan at the Split/Merge and follows the Bishop Ford Freeway (aka Calumet Expressway). The Ryan turns west then south along I-57.
So it's I-57 into the city to where it ends, then I-94 into downtown? Why can't you or Wikipedia say it that clearly? (I had to look at Google Maps for a few minutes to figure out the meaning of your answer.)
Quote from: getemngo on June 01, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
105 posts, including a long discussion on whether roads should be named after living persons, and not a single mention of the Bud Shuster Highway? Shame on you, AARoads. :no: :-P
I know he's been discussed here before. Possibly on the I-99 thread?
It seemed funny to me that there was so much outrage about one road carrying Shuster's name, yet no one seemed to mind that there were a zillion things named after Robert Byrd before he assumed room temperature.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 02, 2014, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: getemngo on June 01, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
105 posts, including a long discussion on whether roads should be named after living persons, and not a single mention of the Bud Shuster Highway? Shame on you, AARoads. :no: :-P
I know he's been discussed here before. Possibly on the I-99 thread?
It seemed funny to me that there was so much outrage about one road carrying Shuster's name, yet no one seemed to mind that there were a zillion things named after Robert Byrd before he assumed room temperature.
Or John Paul Hammerschmidt
Naming anything after a sitting politician is like inducting athletes into the Hall of Fame (whichever one) while they're still playing.
Quote from: Brandon on June 02, 2014, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: FightingIrish on June 01, 2014, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: sandwalk on June 01, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: FightingIrish on May 31, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Any guess what Chicago-area freeway will be renamed for Obama? They've already got Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan (not to mention two-time presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson).
And we have a local elementary school named for both Barack AND Michelle Obama.
I-57 ???
Ahh, forgot about I-57. It appears to be the only local freeway without a name.
It does, in fact, have a name, as does I-80. They just are never used.
I-57 is the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, and I-80 is the Moline Expressway.
Well, a good enough reason to rename one of them if they aren't being said frequently lol
Quote from: vtk on June 02, 2014, 10:35:38 AM
Quote from: Brandon on June 02, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: vtk on June 02, 2014, 10:26:31 AM
So, is the Dan Ryan shaped like Λ, or like λ? Either way is stupid.
Neither. I-94 leaves the Dan Ryan at the Split/Merge and follows the Bishop Ford Freeway (aka Calumet Expressway). The Ryan turns west then south along I-57.
So it's I-57 into the city to where it ends, then I-94 into downtown? Why can't you or Wikipedia say it that clearly? (I had to look at Google Maps for a few minutes to figure out the meaning of your answer.)
Actually, it's south from the Circle to the Split, and then the West Leg down I-57.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 02, 2014, 11:42:12 AM
It seemed funny to me that there was so much outrage about one road carrying Shuster's name, yet no one seemed to mind that there were a zillion things named after Robert Byrd before he assumed room temperature.
I think the outrage was because Shuster had the gall to write the I-99 designation into law (the first time this was ever done), and
then had the road named after him.
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
In Seaside, there's an Obama Way there, although it's still signed as Broadway Avenue. The signs that say Obama Way are brown instead of green. I wonder what the reasoning behind this decision is, as none of the other streets in the area are named after presidents.
It's likely an honorary designation, so the brown sign is probably to indicate that.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 02, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 02, 2014, 11:42:12 AM
It seemed funny to me that there was so much outrage about one road carrying Shuster's name, yet no one seemed to mind that there were a zillion things named after Robert Byrd before he assumed room temperature.
I think the outrage was because Shuster had the gall to write the I-99 designation into law (the first time this was ever done), and then had the road named after him.
I'm not positive, but I would guess that the decision to name the road after him was made at the state level, not the federal level.
Lots of people think that Congressman Hal Rogers had the Daniel Boone Parkway renamed after him, but the fact of the matter was that it was a state decision, not a federal decision, and I know from people who were involved with the ceremony (which happened before I started my current job) that the renaming came as a complete surprise to Rogers.
Quote from: US71 on June 02, 2014, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
In Seaside, there's an Obama Way there, although it's still signed as Broadway Avenue. The signs that say Obama Way are brown instead of green. I wonder what the reasoning behind this decision is, as none of the other streets in the area are named after presidents.
It's likely an honorary designation, so the brown sign is probably to indicate that.
Doesn't New York do that a lot?
Quote from: FightingIrish on June 01, 2014, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 01, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
I am surprised that no one named a road after Michael Jackson considering that he was born in the Chicago Area. He was known as the King of Pop and had more media coverage than anyone has ever had after their passing.
That would be Gary, IN. And they did put a commemorative marker outside the Jackson family home, which, interestingly enough, is located on Jackson Street.
Once the Jackson 5 became famous, the family moved to L.A. and Michael attended Gardner Street School in Hollywood. The auditorium was later named for him, and the auditorium can be seen from Hawthorne Avenue:
http://goo.gl/maps/CqFpj
Quote from: Brandon on June 02, 2014, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: FightingIrish on June 01, 2014, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: sandwalk on June 01, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: FightingIrish on May 31, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Any guess what Chicago-area freeway will be renamed for Obama? They've already got Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan (not to mention two-time presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson).
And we have a local elementary school named for both Barack AND Michelle Obama.
I-57 ???
Ahh, forgot about I-57. It appears to be the only local freeway without a name.
It does, in fact, have a name, as does I-80. They just are never used.
I-57 is the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, and I-80 is the Moline Expressway.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 01, 2014, 03:20:07 PM
Maybe they'll name the Illiana after him.
I highly doubt it. Obama is a Chicago Democrat, and the Illiana Expressway is in Will County. The Will County Dems and Chicago Dems are not exactly friendly with each other.
So even if I-57 is technically part of the Dan Ryan, in my mind, and I'm sure for a lot of people, I-94 and I-57 are different highways, because they have different numbers. I-57 is definitely ripe for a renaming from "Dan Ryan" to something else. And irrespective of politics, I believe that any president or great
political leader should get something prominent named for them in their hometown.
CA-118 Ronald Reagan Freeway (goes near the Reagan library in Simi Valley, CA)
I-57 Barack Obama Expressway
My personal take is that people alive should not have roads, places, buildings, named after them. It should be reserved for those who passed on.
^^ Yes, though maybe retired people count - ex-Presidents, etc.
Monarchs/Consorts being the exception to this.
Bentonville, AR has Sam Walton Blvd, named before he kicked the bucket.
XNA has the Alice Walton Airport Terminal.
Little Rock, AR has Clinton Blvd
Texas has a George Bush Turnpike.
Quote from: US71 on June 06, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
Bentonville, AR has Sam Walton Blvd, named before he kicked the bucket.
XNA has the Alice Walton Airport Terminal.
Little Rock, AR has Clinton Blvd
Texas has a George Bush Turnpike.
I know my point exactly.
Then Reagan National Airport named when President Reagan was alive.
Robert Moses Parkway, I believe, was named when Moses was still breathing.
Many municipal places around are named for local people who are around.
I don't know, to me things should be a memorial to people, even though we can honor are living as well for some reason it should be for those who have gone.
BTW, how come there are no places honoring the fallen in 9-11? I believe only NJDOT did so in renaming the NJ 70 Manasquan River Bridge after those who died that fateful day, unless there are others around maybe on a smaller level, However, still, no one named a major place yet after those victims which I feel is a something. I would think that NYC would at least name one bridge or tunnel after them, even if they have chosen to honor other prominent figures since then. These heroes whether the WTC employees, the fireman, or police deserve at least something I would think.
Personally, were I important enough to have anything named after me, I'd find it more of an honor to have it named while I was alive to know about it.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
Just so you know our President now has a four lane arterial named in his sake in Orlando, FL from Conroy Road to MetroWest Boulevard just east of FL 435 along a power line right of way. It was opened this week just in time for his visit to our city.
I rode it yesterday, and it does help going from SB Kirkman to EB Conroy as now you can turn left onto LB McLeod to reach the new road and then south into Conroy. That Conroy Kirkman light can be a nightmare at times. Turning SB to EB has a very short left turn signal.
There are interesting I-4 shields at its southern terminus with Conroy Road saying "TO JCT I-4" and a nice END Pres. Barack Obama Parkway and at the entrance to an apartment complex directly across from its southern end a "Private Property- No Through Access" assembly there.
I plan to submit a photo soon, and maybe I will send one to Hannity on Fox to make his day LOL! Nonetheless, the signs could be of interest here as well as the TO JCT assemblies. I have not gotten the chance yet to stop and taken pictures of this, plus my computer is being repaired as well.
There are way too many roads named after Martin Luther King.
Quote from: Legodinodoctor on June 07, 2014, 06:12:16 PM
There are way too many roads named after Martin Luther King.
Unfortunately, a very large % of the roads named after Dr. King are also part of the most dangerous areas in a city. How that got to happen is beyond me, but it's a pretty shitty problem when a guy who devoted his whole life to fighting segregation and black discrimination gets the honor of being on many street names in the US where violence is a problem among inner city youths. It's sad.
Presumably, a well-intentioned attempt was made to name streets after Dr. King in areas of the city with majority African-American populations. Unfortunately, that happened to be in the "bad part of town" fairly frequently...