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Title: US route shield shapes
Post by: hbelkins on December 05, 2011, 07:36:48 PM
Can't find an appropriate topic to discuss the subtleties of US route shield shapes, so ergo, this thread.

Spotted this shield yesterday on the new section of US 25E in Tennessee. Have never seen anything quite like it.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7011%2F6460545957_6ceda9eb6f.jpg&hash=4945614bb78e05510e57f7b128f66c9ab993cdf9)

Tennessee has always had several styles of shield shapes, especially wide ones for three-digit routes.
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: xonhulu on December 05, 2011, 07:45:51 PM
It's hard to tell if the shape of the US shield is odd all by itself, or if it's just the wider black border.
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: Ian on December 05, 2011, 07:50:07 PM
One must not forget PennDOT's infamous "acorn" shield:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w1D3gpcesfg/S4xye3jpJiI/AAAAAAAAVE4/MLZxgOCfAOw/s640/IMG_2027.JPG)

New Hampshire seems to have (has had) their own style of US route shield, which I actually like. These have managed to pop up onto newer signs like this one:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6181%2F6107392451_7d94e29416_z.jpg&hash=85f8c4dd38544727ce70247af04b5f716d353b5f)

In a way, they look similar to Arizona's old US shield design:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Qetf-7-UsiU/S4FakTPJ8kI/AAAAAAAAUsk/3okkKz9cPUo/s640/IMG_2252.JPG)
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: hbelkins on December 05, 2011, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: xonhulu on December 05, 2011, 07:45:51 PM
It's hard to tell if the shape of the US shield is odd all by itself, or if it's just the wider black border.

I really think that's it.
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: xonhulu on December 05, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
We need a side-by-side comparison.  I'll use a couple of my favorite 3-digit US shield shots:

Quote from: hbelkins on December 05, 2011, 07:36:48 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7011%2F6460545957_6ceda9eb6f.jpg&hash=4945614bb78e05510e57f7b128f66c9ab993cdf9)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi572.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss166%2Fxonhulu%2FUS%2520Routes%2FUS130-30CamdenSouth2.jpg%3Ft%3D1323133521&hash=63ba00bf9314dc3a2bd6e9e911e2d64d0896e3cd) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi572.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss166%2Fxonhulu%2FUS%2520Routes%2FUS160-191Jct2.jpg%3Ft%3D1323133135&hash=86a67b414c24df6b759b04532254b3e1142e8e9e)
It looks like the shield itself is about the same shape as the other examples, it just takes up less of the overall sign allowing for the wider border.  The numbers actually look like they're the same height as the other examples, too, but they look oversized due to the shield being smaller.

Still, the overall effect looks weird.  
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 05, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
the 130 and the 191 are both stretched 2dus '70 spec.  this is a correct 3dus '70 spec.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/PA/PA19663221i1.jpg)

photo taken 1965.  I had forgotten we had this photo.  I knew PA had invented the shield shape that was to become the 1970 federal standard, but I thought they had done so in 1966.

speaking of wide shields, this has always been my favorite style.  1956, California.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/CA/CA19564661i1.jpg)
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: US71 on December 05, 2011, 08:52:22 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3016%2F2557901792_5c4a64530f_z_d.jpg&hash=b8ab76b9da7c2dfe2bf39eb64f5d8989cfdea21a)
Lake Village, AR

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3407%2F3203182016_9c5844f698_z_d.jpg%3Fzz%3D1&hash=2fca3e5f38a792d1e444a9c1803cccff16fd256c)
Roswell, NM

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2777%2F4144271623_fb4ed9ee07_z_d.jpg&hash=4b37d0cac13d9e57a84341a84b2ba25b8b76b140)
DeRidder, LA

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5147%2F5649540642_90494f8d85_z_d.jpg&hash=635362718ed74837eb6276da9ec262c0070d2e51)
Pensacola, FL
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: ctsignguy on December 05, 2011, 08:52:40 PM
Let's see....some of the odder US shield shapes in my collection....

From Alabama...their square US shields always had a funky look about them...this one up-holds the tradition in a slightly different way
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2FDSCF0218.jpg&hash=963cc17c89e34a325c26ce51e2b3ccf70d551f3b)

From San Fransisco...this was intended for BGS use, but found its way to a pole...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fcalus101.jpg&hash=4643d4957a4c45c5ed68db5e10d89d37e58ed5ae)

Connecticut's 21x21 wood cutouts also were a bit unique in their look....hell, i like 'em!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fctus621.jpg&hash=eeb009d7b902ffe92e37b87f963eb275a62047c0)

Delaware's were a bit unusual as well
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fdelus13.jpg&hash=565899f25a334463d9f17c9564121d966ee82231)

As was Flordia's Kodachromes
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fflaus301.jpg&hash=d2fcef3257d3c48f06e3acc12deb21333bca293e)

Two classics from Massachusetts
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fmassus5.jpg&hash=47e31d50c1eedcd0747f961e1a46fa1e929c2012)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fmassus202.jpg&hash=196f5e8a8f76c59befe6d7490684c8c993d35226)

Maryland's semi-acorn
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fmdus220.jpg&hash=110db713c15ca161e23a7ff5f9045bff77a71d4f)

NH
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fnhus1byp.jpg&hash=c17326d08ab76306bb4bcaa8b2611f4e7a1f744e)

New York's slight'y-wide shape
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fnyus11.jpg&hash=b4cf24d2fd7dee73c99ff51661db5382148c51e5)

This pair from Pennsy
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fpaus209pair.jpg&hash=9651b4bcdd5a7f2b73edb156a1a7a05057c76fe9)

And Rhody
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Frius1.jpg&hash=1be8e94700cec392e60c84e1bab8a7e1f3499c97)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Frius44.jpg&hash=490889d14e5238d26ead81517c92940f188d132d)

and for now, either as square or cutout, EVERYONE's favorite US shield style....
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi166.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu102%2Fctsignguy%2Fwisus14.jpg&hash=40be9fdd70efd07f3300198b959ac82b60b85728)
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: Alex on December 05, 2011, 10:26:50 PM
Kentucky specific ugly shields

(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-031w_sb_060_wb_after_ky-2054.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-031w_sb_060_wb_after_ky-2054.jpg)

Justin Cozart photo from 2008.
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: hbelkins on December 06, 2011, 11:35:36 AM
Kentucky has as many different 24x24 square US shield shapes as Tennessee does 24x30 wide US shield shapes.
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: Brian556 on December 09, 2011, 12:13:40 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1209.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc395%2FBrian5561%2F377SIGNS114.jpg&hash=6eddd4811327d724b60aecbb8b8e184b9a04f52f)

These were posted by a contractor that built the SH 114 Roanoke bypass in 1999. They look similar to the US 25E sign, but alot better. I actually like these better than the TxDot standard US Hwy shield
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: Quillz on December 15, 2011, 10:27:48 PM
I like that wide Pennsylvania cutout. I was able to make something really close to it in Illustrator by taking the '61 BGS template and then making some adjustments to it (and then making it a cutout, of course.)

<----- My Avatar is a non-standard 28×24 '70 wide spec shield. I've found that compressing wide shields tends to look a lot better than stretching standard shields, especially since the bottom looks straight even when you compress it. I think it looks pretty decent, but it doesn't work in reality because even three-digit Series C numerals are way too huge.
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: hbelkins on December 15, 2011, 10:47:39 PM
That avatar puts me in mind of this wide-format US 68 sign. Also check out the KY 80 sign:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.staticflickr.com%2F6168%2F6182197141_ab7e0520af.jpg&hash=8d5dddde9444ab787856aec73ae76cf72e618d24)
Title: Re: US route shield shapes
Post by: Quillz on December 15, 2011, 10:50:45 PM
That doesn't look bad, actually. The surrounding black space makes the shield and numerals look well proportioned and balanced. Oftentimes, I'll see the standard '70 shields look very cramped with Series D numerals. I almost think Series C works better given the size.