The "Kentucky Bend" (the western part of Fulton County KY) is completely geographically disconnected from the rest of the state - there's no way to get from the Kentucky Bend to anywhere else in Kentucky without passing through the jurisdiction or "airspace" of either Missouri or Tennessee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend)
Similarly, there's no way to get from Liberty Island NY or Ellis Island NY to any other place in New York without passing through New Jersey.
My question: are there any other examples of completely disconnected US states?
Now, in case you're tempted to reply with something like "the Eastern Shore of Virginia", keep in mind that you can hop on a boat in mainland VA and go to the Eastern Shore without passing through another state... so that doesn't count. In other words, I guess another way to phrase the question is, "Which state boundaries are defined by more than one polygon?" In the examples above, Kentucky requires two polygons, and New York requires three.
So, Michigan's two peninsulas don't count (because they're enclosed by a single polygon forming the boundary of Michigan). Angle Inlet MN doesn't count. Point Roberts WA doesn't count. Offshore islands don't count (unless you're aware of an island that doesn't fall within a single polygon defining the boundary of the mainland state). I hope I've defined the terms clearly enough. Any examples?
QuoteSimilarly, there's no way to get from Liberty Island NY or Ellis Island NY to any other place in New York without passing through New Jersey.
That may be a technicality as you can take a boat from Manhattan to Liberty Island (and maybe Ellis Island). But, most maps show those islands over the water boundary to NJ. But, is that boundary on the map the actual boundary or just drawn for convenience?
Yes, it's true you can take a boat from Manhattan to Liberty Island. But when you're about halfway there, you cross into New Jersey. Then, when you land on Liberty Island, you're back in New York.
Ellis Island is a little more complicated. When you first land on it, you're still in NJ. But that's all landfill - the original portion of the island is still part of NY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_island)
Man the Ellis Island situation is strange! :rolleyes:
I believe that the the northwestern corner of Arizona, along the I-15 corridor, is like this. The Grand Canyon is not crossed by any roads, nor are there any ferries you can take across the Colorado River (just down it towards Nevada). I've heard that Arizona even contracts out maintenance of I-15 to Utah!
one could take AZ-89, and through a series of backroads from Colorado City, AZ you can reach I-15
This part of Arizona is referred to (at least by Utahns) as the "Arizona Strip", because most people access this area via Utah. Incidentally, there is a footbridge across the Colorado River, but that's not the reason this example doesn't fit the requirements. The reason it doesn't work is because the boundary of Arizona is defined by a single polygon. Or, to put it another way: the Arizona Strip is geographically contiguous with the rest of Arizona. What I'm looking for are states that have exclaves (and I don't know if there are any others besides the ones I mentioned previously).
I can't see any other that might be possible.
Well, this probably doesn't count, but I'll mention it anyway.
During the spat between Georgia, Alabama and Florida over usage of the water from the Chattahoochee River, some Georgia politicians were trying to claim land up around the Tennessee River.
So part of Georgia might be in Tennessee (?).
http://savannahnow.com/node/457339
Be well,
Bryant
A past example that I think would qualify is Massachusetts before 1820. Up until 1820, what is now Maine was part of Massachusetts.
Washington and Idaho's Panhandle...part of Washington Territory in 1853
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
To get from the Omaha airport to downtown Omaha, the most direct route is through Iowa.
Really.
From Marinette, MI to Benton Harbor, MI is fastest via Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana. But I don't think they count as "major cities".
From Buffalo, NY to the NYC borough of Staten Island, NY is the fastest via Pennsylvania and New Jersey, according to Google Maps.
Springfield, MA to Fall River, MA is fastest via Rhode Island.
Nashville - Chattanooga also leads you through Georgia via I-24.
Clarksburg or Parkersburg to Wheeling, West Virginia leads you either through Pennsylvania or Ohio.
Most of those examples are examples where there IS a road connection between the two that does not involve going through another state.
Though, with the Omaha comment, that section of Iowa that was mentioned would fit...since they HAVE to go through Nebraska to get to the rest of Iowa.
Then there's Angle Inlet, MN, which requires land travelers to travel through Manitoba to get to the rest of Minnesota.
Don't know if this counts but oh well.
The northern/northeastern border of Delaware is 12 miles from New Castle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-Mile_Circle) and where it borders New Jersey, the border is at the low tide mark of the Delaware River. Then there were some pieces of land added past the low tide mark just south of Pennsville and north of the nuclear plant in Salem County which are part of Delaware. In order to get to these pieces of land, you would either have to swim or walk through New Jersey (since there's no roads connecting these pieces of land to anywhere).
Quote from: mapman on March 20, 2009, 01:40:09 AM
I believe that the the northwestern corner of Arizona, along the I-15 corridor, is like this. The Grand Canyon is not crossed by any roads, nor are there any ferries you can take across the Colorado River (just down it towards Nevada). I've heard that Arizona even contracts out maintenance of I-15 to Utah!
that ain't a bad idea. There are two parallel roads - I-15 and old US-91 - in the same strip, but neither of them are contiguous to the rest of Arizona's state highway system. As mentioned, just several back roads. It's much easier getting large maintenance vehicles to come out of St. George (or Mesquite/Las Vegas NV would also be an option) than to send one up from Kingman or something.
good to see government doing something efficient every once in a while. Also good to see Utah using Arizona standards for highway signage when they do their maintenance - Arizona has the state-named shields in abundance, while in Utah they are super-scarce (only 2 known and they are hidden under more recent shields, with no state name, bolted on top).
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
I don't know if this counts as "major cities" but US-395 goes from California to Nevada to California, between approximately Susanville and Bishop ... the city in between is Reno, NV, with a population significantly exceeding the population of ... well, the sum of just about every town on US-395 in California, really!
In CA, US-395 is a very rural route (with its urban sections, including San Diego and San Bernardino, having been reverted years ago in favor of I-215 and I-15). The largest city is ... probably Victorville, right at the southern terminus? There really isn't
anything on that road! And that is part of the reason why it's my favorite highway in the whole wide world!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artistjake.com%2Flj%2Fw51738.jpg&hash=01d7f894d58208a97f339796e5651fbc9cdb58f0)
Conway Pass, 7800 feet elevation, not a soul for miles and that's the way I like it!
There is a part of Knotts Island in Virginia that is completely isolated from the rest of Virginia (and by extension, the Virginia state highway system, since the nearest VDOT-maintained road is I-64 quite a ways to the north, and Virginia Beach maintains its own surface streets).
In order to get to that part of the island, one must use Princess Anne Rd (which becomes NC 615), cross the border, and drive several miles through North Carolina before turning onto SR 1255. SR 1255 crosses back into Virginia and becomes an unnumbered road that dead-ends not too long afterward. That has to be a bit of a logistical nightmare for the people who live on that part of the island...
Coincidentally, that section of North Carolina that Will mentioned has its only road access to the rest of North Carolina going through Virginia Beach and Chesapeake...
How about Juneau to Anchorage? Pass through Canada.
Would Juneau to Anchorage really count? Considering that Juneau has no land connection elsewhere (not by road anyway...if you want to blaze your own trail, that's another story), and the ferry system connects to both Whittier and Valdez without going into Canadian space...
Nobody has mentioned Point Roberts, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Roberts,_Washington), which is on a small peninsula jutting off from Tsawassen, BC, and just happened to fall south of the US-Canada border. The town's high schoolers attend a school in Blaine, WA, which is 30 minutes away.
The recent posts all contain interesting geographical situations, and there are many similar examples that we can continue to discuss here (such as the "Lost Peninsula" in Michigan, near Toledo). However, none of those mentioned so far meet the terms defined in the original post.
Yet another way to phrase the question would be: if you could fly, would it be possible for you to "lift off" from Point Roberts and fly to "mainland" Washington without passing through the airspace of another state or country?
Or from Juneau to mainland Alaska?
Or from Knotts Island to mainland Virginia?
Or from the Lost Peninsula to mainland Michigan?
In each case the answer is "yes", because each of those states have boundaries that consist of a single polygon.
But in the three examples I mentioned in the original post (Kentucky Bend, Liberty Island, Ellis Island), it would not be possible to fly from those places to the mainland state without passing through the airspace of another state. There are other international examples, but I'm pretty sure those three examples are the only instances in the U.S.
In Hawaii, are some of the islands far enough apart from the others that you would have to pass through international waters? I don't know if this happens with Alaska or California either.
What about Carter Lake, IA?
Quote from: froggie on June 28, 2009, 08:02:54 PM
Based on the OP's definition, Carter Lake wouldn't count, since you could theoretically take a boat or helo across the Missouri River and "stay in Iowa".
That's correct. Let's think of it this way: the Des Moines River runs from Iowa's northern border to its south, dividing the state into roughly two halves. To drive from one half to the other, you'd have to go over a bridge somewhere. So could we then argue that Iowa has two parts that are "disconnected"? Of course not... but the situation with Carter Lake is really no different. Yes, the Missouri River separates Carter Lake from Council Bluffs, but there is no other state between the two. Perhaps clouding the issue is the interesting fact that there is no bridge that goes directly between Carter Lake and Council Bluffs without passing through Nebraska... but as Froggie said, if you wanted to swim, or boat, or fly, you could stay in Iowa.
I don't believe there are any other examples in the US.
Canada, however... if I recall correctly, every island in Hudson Bay is part of the Northwest Territories, geographically separated by Nunavut. I think that's the only example in Canada.
I found several for Spain...
Quote from: Bickendan on June 30, 2009, 02:41:35 PM
Canada, however... if I recall correctly, every island in Hudson Bay is part of the Northwest Territories, geographically separated by Nunavut. I think that's the only example in Canada.
Is that still true?
I know that pre-Nunavut, most maps of Canada said:
"All islands within bays and straits lie within Northwest Territories"
When I look at recent Rand McNally atlases it looks to me like the Hudson Bay islands are now part of Nunavut. However, either Rand McNally could have it wrong or I'm reading it wrong.
Appears that Nunavut does own the islands. Images from the Canadian government's own website show that.
Is Isle Royale Michigan one as it lies way too far off the coast of Michigan in a part of Lake Superior that is closer to Minnesota. If it were not a national park it would be more of an issue as many feel that national parks are not part of a state as federal laws prevail there as well as police are usually rangers and I do not think that island is part of any Michigan County even.
Quote from: Alps on June 22, 2009, 09:33:04 PM
In Hawaii, are some of the islands far enough apart from the others that you would have to pass through international waters? I don't know if this happens with Alaska or California either.
I know this is an old post, but assuming my interpretation of the Open Street Map is accurate, wherein the water borders are marked at 12 nautical miles, the answers are yes, yes, and no.
More specifically, for Hawaii, there is a sliver of international waters separating the island of Hawaii from the Oahu-Maui area, and a bigger gap between the Oahu-Maui area and Kauai, and then for pretty much all the islands to the west.
For Alaska, there are a number of islands separated from the mainland by international waters, of which the most notable is perhaps Saint Lawrence Island.
For California, the Channel Islands are all close enough to the mainland than none of them are separated by international waters.
Looking around a bit more, in Florida, the Dry Tortugas also seem far enough from Key West that they are separate by international waters.
While international waters extend 12 nautical miles, the exclusive economic zone extends for 200 miles, and none of the places mentioned above, as far as I can tell, are separated by that criterion. But if the Wikipedia is correct, the part of the exclusive economic zone beyond 12 nautical miles technically lies in international waters.
ETA: Having investigated the matter further,
state waters (as opposed to waters under the jurisdiction of the federal government) only reach 3 nautical miles except for Texas and the Gulf Coast of Florida, which reach 9. This makes the answers to the question above for Hawaii, Alaska, and California, yes, yes, and yes. And for Florida, yes, and I don't know about the other 46.
Quote from: roadman65 on July 24, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
Is Isle Royale Michigan one as it lies way too far off the coast of Michigan in a part of Lake Superior that is closer to Minnesota. If it were not a national park it would be more of an issue as many feel that national parks are not part of a state as federal laws prevail there as well as police are usually rangers and I do not think that island is part of any Michigan County even.
Isle Royale is in Keweenaw County.
What the heck is the deal with Carter Lake?
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:18:15 AM
What the heck is the deal with Carter Lake?
It was on the east side of the Missouri River there until a flood cut it off from the rest of Iowa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Lake,_Iowa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_Inlet,_Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_Inlet,_Minnesota)
Angle Inlet, Minnesota is separate from the rest of Minnesota because if one wants to leave the area they need to go to Canada to reach the rest of the state.
Quote from: bing101 on July 25, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_Inlet,_Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_Inlet,_Minnesota)
Angle Inlet, Minnesota is separate from the rest of Minnesota because if one wants to leave the area they need to go to Canada to reach the rest of the state.
Yes but no. It is physically disconnected, but, (much like with Carter Lake) Minnesota, not Canada, owns the part of Lake of the Woods you would pass through if getting there by boat.
Carter Lake...the area of Omaha's airport. I want to say Eppley Airfield? To go from the airport into Omaha, you have to pass into Iowa briefly. That would be a hell of a way for me to add Iowa lifetime! I've only been as far west as Chicago's Midway Airport and bordering Bedford Park, IL (the other side of IL Route 50/South Cicero Avenue).
Before I can answer this question, are you talking about America or other countries?
Um...the United States. I've never been in Canada or elsewhere. A whopping 18 state and Washington DC. :(
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on July 25, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
Um...the United States. I've never been in Canada or elsewhere. A whopping 18 state and Washington DC. :(
Ok. So Alaska and Hawaii.
Here's a lot of detail about enclaves and exclaves, including the Kentucky Bend, San Marino, and I-684: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclave_and_exclave
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 25, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on July 25, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
Um...the United States. I've never been in Canada or elsewhere. A whopping 18 state and Washington DC. :(
Ok. So Alaska and Hawaii.
No, we're talking about parts of states that are cut off from the majority of said state. Feel free to go back to the start of this thread to get the gist of this topic.
Lol, I love to see this thread revived. Haha but yeah. Alaska and Hawaii are disconnected. Should we count Puerto Rico as well?
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 26, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Lol, I love to see this thread revived. Haha but yeah. Alaska and Hawaii are disconnected. Should we count Puerto Rico as well?
No, under the specifications set at the start of this thread, Alaska and Hawaii are not disconnected.
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 26, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Lol, I love to see this thread revived. Haha but yeah. Alaska and Hawaii are disconnected. Should we count Puerto Rico as well?
What are you even saying? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Quote from: thspfc on July 26, 2019, 07:32:59 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 26, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Lol, I love to see this thread revived. Haha but yeah. Alaska and Hawaii are disconnected. Should we count Puerto Rico as well?
What are you even saying? :confused: :confused: :confused:
He's referencing the fact that this thread was created 10 years ago while at the same time assuming it means "states that aren't connected to the contiguous 48 states" rather than "pieces of states that physically aren't connected to the rest of the state".
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 18, 2009, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
I don't know if this counts as "major cities" but US-395 goes from California to Nevada to California, between approximately Susanville and Bishop ... the city in between is Reno, NV, with a population significantly exceeding the population of ... well, the sum of just about every town on US-395 in California, really!
In CA, US-395 is a very rural route (with its urban sections, including San Diego and San Bernardino, having been reverted years ago in favor of I-215 and I-15). The largest city is ... probably Victorville, right at the southern terminus? There really isn't anything on that road! And that is part of the reason why it's my favorite highway in the whole wide world!
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artistjake.com%2Flj%2Fw51738.jpg&hash=01d7f894d58208a97f339796e5651fbc9cdb58f0)
Conway Pass, 7800 feet elevation, not a soul for miles and that's the way I like it!
Well, as of the latest estimates, the triumvirate of Hesperia, Victorville & Adelanto eclipse Reno's population (barely): 251,746 for the three most southerly cities on 395 and 250,998 for Reno.
North of Reno, the next city of any size on US 395 is Kennewick, WA at 82,943 (357,946 in the Tri-Cities).
Quote from: vdeane on July 26, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 26, 2019, 07:32:59 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 26, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Lol, I love to see this thread revived. Haha but yeah. Alaska and Hawaii are disconnected. Should we count Puerto Rico as well?
What are you even saying? :confused: :confused: :confused:
He's referencing the fact that this thread was created 10 years ago while at the same time assuming it means "states that aren't connected to the contiguous 48 states" rather than "pieces of states that physically aren't connected to the rest of the state".
It doesn't mean the latter, either, because the OP said the Northwest Angle and Point Roberts don't count as "disconnected" because you can travel to them via the territorial waters, such that you don't have to go outside the state's boundaries at all to get there. That's why the Kentucky Bend does count–there is no way to get there from the rest of Kentucky without leaving the state, regardless of whether it's by land, water, or air. The OP referred to it in terms of there being a completely separate polygon. (An example in Europe would be Baarle Hertog, portions of which cannot be reached from the rest of Belgium via any means without passing through, or over, part of the Netherlands.)
Back on topic, would US-212 across the northeast corner of Wyoming be what we're looking for here? The only way into or out of this area involves Montana or South Dakota.
Quote from: renegade on July 26, 2019, 07:30:51 PM
Back on topic, would US-212 across the northeast corner of Wyoming be what we're looking for here? The only way into or out of this area involves Montana or South Dakota.
No :pan:
The ONLY current examples are the Kentucky Bend, the NY/NJ islands, and arguably islands far enough away that you have to go through water not belonging to any state.
Quote from: catch22 on July 25, 2019, 08:13:36 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 24, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
Is Isle Royale Michigan one as it lies way too far off the coast of Michigan in a part of Lake Superior that is closer to Minnesota. If it were not a national park it would be more of an issue as many feel that national parks are not part of a state as federal laws prevail there as well as police are usually rangers and I do not think that island is part of any Michigan County even.
Isle Royale is in Keweenaw County.
Isle Royale used to be its own county, but now it is part of Keweenaw County. Moreover, it is part of Houghton and Eagle Harbor townships. One oddity: Houghton Township is northeast of Eagle Harbor Township on Isle Royale, but on the mainland, that is reversed. Houghton Township is south and west of Eagle Harbor Township.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 26, 2019, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 26, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 26, 2019, 07:32:59 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 26, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
Lol, I love to see this thread revived. Haha but yeah. Alaska and Hawaii are disconnected. Should we count Puerto Rico as well?
What are you even saying? :confused: :confused: :confused:
He's referencing the fact that this thread was created 10 years ago while at the same time assuming it means "states that aren't connected to the contiguous 48 states" rather than "pieces of states that physically aren't connected to the rest of the state".
It doesn't mean the latter, either, because the OP said the Northwest Angle and Point Roberts don't count as "disconnected" because you can travel to them via the territorial waters, such that you don't have to go outside the state's boundaries at all to get there. That's why the Kentucky Bend does count–there is no way to get there from the rest of Kentucky without leaving the state, regardless of whether it's by land, water, or air. The OP referred to it in terms of there being a completely separate polygon. (An example in Europe would be Baarle Hertog, portions of which cannot be reached from the rest of Belgium via any means without passing through, or over, part of the Netherlands.)
I wasn't necessarily using "physically" to mean only land. In fact, I was trying not to be too terribly specific about whether such was allowed or not because I wanted to convey the big picture idea of what the thread was about without taking the time to go back and look up whether those examples counted or not myself!
It's better to make a new thread than revive an old one IMO.
Quote from: 1 on July 26, 2019, 07:46:22 PM
Quote from: renegade on July 26, 2019, 07:30:51 PM
Back on topic, would US-212 across the northeast corner of Wyoming be what we're looking for here? The only way into or out of this area involves Montana or South Dakota.
No :pan:
Perhaps, on this site, it needs to be explicitly stated that
driving is not the only way to get from A to B. :rolleyes:
Besides which, it's perfectly possible to drive a car from US-212 in Wyoming to the rest of the state without going through Montana or South Dakota.
Map here (https://goo.gl/maps/zSEC5KKWdzMyJc53A)
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 01:11:17 AM
It's better to make a new thread than revive an old one IMO.
I disagree.
Because invariably, someone will ask, "Didn't we discuss this before," someone one else will answer in the affirmative, and then someone will post a link to the old thread.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2019, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 01:11:17 AM
It's better to make a new thread than revive an old one IMO.
I disagree.
Because invariably, someone will ask, "Didn't we discuss this before," someone one else will answer in the affirmative, and then someone will post a link to the old thread.
I agree with HB.
+1 on reviving old threads. It also lets us see the opinions of ex-members we wouldn't otherwise know.
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
The fastest way to go from New Orleans to Monroe, LA is to go through Mississippi.
Quote from: usends on March 19, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
Now, in case you're tempted to reply with something like "the Eastern Shore of Virginia", keep in mind that you can hop on a boat in mainland VA and go to the Eastern Shore without passing through another state... so that doesn't count.
Virginia owns the Chesapeake Bay across the southern half of the bay, and between VA Beach and Cape Charles, so what looks disconnected on a land map is very much connected when considering internal waters.
Quote from: golden eagle on July 28, 2019, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you >> have to << pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
The fastest way to go from New Orleans to Monroe, LA is to go through Mississippi.
That is not an answer to the question that was asked.
I see what he means with that part of KY as its connected to MO and there is no land nor water that is in KY in between that bend part and the rest of the state.
Liberty Island in NY Harbor is the same as you must pass through NJ to get to it from the rest of the state.
Other than that (unless Isle Royale is not even connected by water to Michigan) I cannot find an example. I often wondered about the Great Lakes if the middle of the lakes is international or what and in Lake Michigan does IL really touch MI in the middle or is there international waters in between as well?
Quote from: roadman65 on July 29, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
I often wondered about the Great Lakes if the middle of the lakes is international or what and in Lake Michigan does IL really touch MI in the middle or is there international waters in between as well?
IL does touch MI and Lake Michigan is not in international waters.
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Quote from: golden eagle on July 28, 2019, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
The fastest way to go from New Orleans to Monroe, LA is to go through Mississippi.
Likewise, the fastest route from the Oklahoma Panhandle to the southern part of the Sooner State is almost entirely through Texas.
1/3 of Georgia's population is in Eurasia.
Quote from: Road Hog on July 30, 2019, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on July 28, 2019, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
The fastest way to go from New Orleans to Monroe, LA is to go through Mississippi.
Likewise, the fastest route from the Oklahoma Panhandle to the southern part of the Sooner State is almost entirely through Texas.
Some parts of NY have points that have NJ in between them. Even though the NY Thruway is the most direct route from Suffern to Manhattan, as the crow flies to go through NJ is the shortest route. Some even use the PIP going from Washington Heights to Rockland County via the GWB, and PIP combo. Though coming back its cheaper to use the Tappan Zee Bridge than the PANYNJ maintained GWB.
Quote from: 1 on July 30, 2019, 05:25:35 PM
1/3 of Georgia's population is in Eurasia.
That's a different Georgia.
Quote from: Road Hog on July 30, 2019, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on July 28, 2019, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gars on June 18, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
Is there a state in which, to get to one mayor city of the state to another, you have to pass throught another state and then return to the first state, aside from the Arizona strip?
The fastest way to go from New Orleans to Monroe, LA is to go through Mississippi.
Likewise, the fastest route from the Oklahoma Panhandle to the southern part of the Sooner State is almost entirely through Texas.
Depending on how bad traffic is in Louisville, it's often faster for my counterpart in the Paducah and Madisonville offices (who lives in Marion) to travel to Frankfort via I-64 through southern Indiana than it is to take the Kentucky parkways.
So what? The fastest way from Erie to Scranton is through New York, and the border is almost straight.
Quote from: 1 on July 31, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
So what? The fastest way from Erie to Scranton is through New York, and the border is almost straight.
Keep in mind, though, that if the border
was entirely straight, Erie and most of Erie County would be part of NY.
Thus, a better example is Corry, PA (as Corry is actually south of the 42nd parallel).
As of noon EDT today, the time from Corry to Scranton is 4h 54min via PA 36 and I-80, and 4h 55min via I-86 and I-81. Basically identical time-wise either way.
Even better, Bradford to Scranton, which is 3h 50 via I-86 and I-81, but 4h 20 via US 219 and I-80.
Quote from: Verlanka on July 31, 2019, 06:04:43 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 30, 2019, 05:25:35 PM
1/3 of Georgia's population is in Eurasia.
That's a different Georgia.
We can agree to disagree.
I wonder if going from Montague, NJ to Camden, NJ is it faster to take I-84 west to I-81 and then use I-476 to I-76 & 676 East?
For reference, Montague, NJ is reached by I-84 Exit 1 of NY. The interstate is literally spitting distance from the state line. OK...maybe if you threw a rock down the road when no drivers were coming! :)
(https://i.imgur.com/dzrXRWH.jpg)
The fastest way from Sayre to Hallstead (PA) is by way of New York.
*gasp* Pennsylvania is a disconnected state! :rolleyes:
Quote from: kphoger on August 05, 2019, 01:56:26 PM
The fastest way from Sayre to Hallstead (PA) is by way of New York.
*gasp* Pennsylvania is a disconnected state! :rolleyes:
Similar situation can be found in West Virginia.
I had reason to speak with a planner on the staff of WVDOT in Charleston many years ago. He had to attend meetings of the HEPMPO (Hagerstown/Eastern Panhandle Metropolitan Planning Organization) which is based in Hagerstown, Maryland but includes a fair amount of the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia.
The fastest way for him to get to meetings there was to leave the day before the (morning) meeting. and drive to a motel in Martinsburg (West Virginia), south of Hagerstown (I think state policy made it easier to get approval to lodge at an in-state property). The fastest route then was I-79 to I-68 to U.S. 522 to WV-9 to Martinsburg, though Corridor H has made for a faster (but not fastest) trip - I-79 to U.S. 48 to U.S. 219 (also signed 48 now) to WV-32 back to U.S. 48 to WV-259 to VA-259 to U.S. 50 to VA-37 to I-81 to Martinsburg is about 20 minutes slower than the fastest route using I-68 above.