Living in Orlando, FL we have numbered streets that have no low numbers, but start strangely at 29 and go higher. Incidently the Orange County, FL lockup is on 33rd Street so is called by that particular name.
Irvington, NJ has a 40th Street that is a stand alone street with no other numbers at all except for numbered avenues running east to west in another part of town and near the Irvington/ Newark border there is the last of Newark's numbering scheme that continues across the line into its suburb.
All east-west streets in Davenport, IA have numbers except for the streets south of 1st Street and the named streets between 18th St and 29th St.
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd). Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
Daly City, California has a small grid of streets from 87th to 92nd Streets that doesn't correspond to a longer number sequence.
A system that I've observed in some Canadian cities is to have the main downtown streets be 100th Avenue and 100th Street, then go up and down from there. In smaller cities, they might start with 50th. This would appear to be a system imposed through name changes since the original development of the city.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 31, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
A system that I've observed in some Canadian cities is to have the main downtown streets be 100th Avenue and 100th Street, then go up and down from there. In smaller cities, they might start with 50th. This would appear to be a system imposed through name changes since the original development of the city.
Salt Lake City UT is is like that.
So's Greensboro, NC. You have 14th and 16th St. and that's it.
Some cities replace what would be 1st Street with Main Street or some other commonly named street and start numbering with 2nd Street. I've also found that some primarily rural counties that number their county roads do so starting with some seemingly arbitrary number other than 1.
The LA Grid from 1st to 266th Sts often has many streets renamed, e.g. 100th St renamed Century Blvd.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd). Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
22nd does very much exist. Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd). Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
22nd does very much exist. Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
Marquette Rd is more like a route - it traversed 66th and 67th streets and is signed as Marquette Rd on both. 55th is signed Garfield only between MLK and Western; the rest in the city is signed as 55th. We always called it 55th because that is what is was by us. Marquette was called Marquette. Pershing was called 39th or Pershing. Probably because on the south side, we were accustomed to numbers on E-W streets unlike the north side.
Brendan
Thompson, CT's grid starts and ends at First Street. (Though Main St. could count as Street 0.)
Queens has mostly numbered avenues and streets (and roads, drives, and places...), but they were imposed post hoc in the 1920's onto preexisting streets across the borough. As a result of this, you have streets increasing from west to east and avenues increasing from north to south, but there is by no means a continuous orderly grid.
The numbers, of course, go roughly by coordinates, but since the "grid" is higgledy-piggledy it jumps around. Walking up Broadway (no, not that Broadway), one will start at 11th Street and then pass intersections with 12th, 14th, 21st, 23rd, Crescent, 29th, 30th, and 31st Streets (beyond there the sequence is mostly intact). Along Astoria Boulevard one will jump straight from 49th Street to 70th Street at a spot where two different askew grids intersect.
Kent County, MI has a number grid with 28th, 36th, 44th, etc. with 0 being Fulton St. However, the lowest number is 26th and many numbers are skipped beyond that.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on January 01, 2012, 02:25:56 AM
Some cities replace what would be 1st Street with Main Street or some other commonly named street and start numbering with 2nd Street. I've also found that some primarily rural counties that number their county roads do so starting with some seemingly arbitrary number other than 1.
Plainfield, NJ has a Front Street instead of a First Street. I believe Philadelphia is the same way. Does, NYC have a First Street? I think there is a small one near Houston Street.
Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd). Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
22nd does very much exist. Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
Quote from: Brendan on January 01, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd). Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
22nd does very much exist. Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
Marquette Rd is more like a route - it traversed 66th and 67th streets and is signed as Marquette Rd on both. 55th is signed Garfield only between MLK and Western; the rest in the city is signed as 55th. We always called it 55th because that is what is was by us. Marquette was called Marquette. Pershing was called 39th or Pershing. Probably because on the south side, we were accustomed to numbers on E-W streets unlike the north side.
Brendan
If you notice how i worded it, 39th, 55th and 63rd are all mentioned as KEEPING their numbers. Also I said within the city of Chicago as far as 22nd goes. 22nd officially is Cermak Rd at the Cook Co/Du Page Co Line in Oak Brook.
I got the opposite impression.
Springfield, MO seems to have an East 11th Street with no other numbered streets anywhere else in the city.
Counties, as mentioned, frequently use numbers that start higher than 1. McClain County, OK, for example, starts at 100th Street on the south county line and increases by 10 for every mile north of that. I assume part of the reason of this is to avoid conflicting with towns, which may well number their streets 1st, 2nd, etc.
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 10:02:05 PM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 31, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
A system that I've observed in some Canadian cities is to have the main downtown streets be 100th Avenue and 100th Street, then go up and down from there.
Salt Lake City UT is is like that.
Hmm, I see what you're saying, but Salt Lake is not exactly like that. In the majority of Utah communities (not just Salt Lake), the roads are referred to not by their ordinal numeral, but rather by their block number (that's why they're in the hundreds). For example, a road that's 5 blocks west of a town's "Main St." or "State St." will be called "500 West" (meaning, "this road marks the beginning of the 500 block"). In some towns, an alternate name for that same road would be "5th St West", but no one would refer to it as "500th Street West".
Does anyone know of a town that intentionally skipped 13th Street?
Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Does, NYC have a First Street? I think there is a small one near Houston Street.
Yes, there is an East 1st Street. It shows an interesting aspect of Manhattan's street grid, arguably the world's most famous, which is that it has no tangible origin point. Most numbered grids progress from a readily apparent point, such as the center of town, or a particular thoroughfare, or a boundary of some kind. Manhattan's, on the other hand, just starts there in the East Village wherever happenstance seemed to dictate.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 31, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Living in Orlando, FL we have numbered streets that have no low numbers, but start strangely at 29 and go higher. Incidently the Orange County, FL lockup is on 33rd Street so is called by that particular name.
Irvington, NJ has a 40th Street that is a stand alone street with no other numbers at all except for numbered avenues running east to west in another part of town and near the Irvington/ Newark border there is the last of Newark's numbering scheme that continues across the line into its suburb.
Going north out of downtown Jacksonville there is 1st through somewhere in the 50s or 60s. ( the addresses at 1st street are 1000 block so 8th st is the 1800 block) Then in Southwest Jacksonville there is a cluster of numbered streets around 103rd St. there is 101st, 105th, 118th and 120th. But not too many others. I saw an old map of Jax that showed Wilson Blvd as (aka 78th st). I dont know if this was a plan to have a grid like other Florida cities with the 103rd cluster being the SW quadrant. But the addresses dont match the block number at all.
Sparks, NV has 1st through 21st Streets with the following exceptions:
* 8th St is Pyramid Way (SR 445)
* 17th St is Rock Blvd
Las Vegas, NV has 1st through 30th Streets downtown (the numbers above 17 are much less substantial, though) with the following exceptions:
* 2nd Street was renamed Casino Center Blvd
* 5th Street was renamed Las Vegas Blvd (although 5th St is a major arterial in North Las Vegas once Las Vegas Blvd turns more northeast)
* 12th Street is Maryland Pkwy
Quote from: usends on January 02, 2012, 12:51:04 PM
Does anyone know of a town that intentionally skipped 13th Street?
Reno's street system does not have a 13th St. North of 10th street, numbered streets aren't really in a grid pattern due to residential development and the UNR campus, so it's hard to distinguish whether 13th never existed or has since been renamed.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Does, NYC have a First Street?
It has eight, actually: E. 1st Street in Manhattan, 1st Street in Queens, 1st Street in Staten Island, 1st Street in Brooklyn, N. 1st Street in Brooklyn, S. 1st Street in Brooklyn, W. 1st Street in Brooklyn, and E. 1st Street in Brooklyn.
Yes, there are five different 1st Streets in Brooklyn.
Want more confusion? The Bronx has both a Third Avenue and a 3rd Avenue, and they are not the same street. In fact, they are on opposite sides of town.
While not numbered streets, Richmond, VA has east-west lettered streets that begin at M Street and go up from there. The letters stop at Y Street; there is no Z Street. The streets south of M Street had letter names at one time but lost them at some point for no apparent reason. For example, Leigh Street was L Street, Clay Street was K Street, etc. The lettered streets currently only exist in the east end (Church Hill).
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Also for no apparent reason, M, N, and O lost their names at some point (M was Mason, N was Nelson, O was Otis); the streets from P to Y have never had normal names.
As an interesting aside, the numbered streets in southside Richmond used to have names when it was the city of Manchester; those streets lost their names when Manchester merged with Richmond, giving Richmond two sets of numbered streets (north-south north of the James; east-west south of it).
Petersburg has a Third St, Fourth St, and Fifth St downtown, but Second St became an extended Adams St during the last decade when some areas in downtown were reconstructed. Oddly, First St and Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Streets are east of there and run east-west instead of the north-south of Adams, Third, Fourth, and Fifth.
Ventura, California has an Eighth Street for no apparent reason. Seahawk Street nearby was once known as Third Street.
Santa Paula, CA's numbering grid starts at 4th Street and ends at 14th.
Portland doesn't have SW/NW 7th Ave (it's Broadway) or SW 8th (SW Park). SE/NE 4th is MLK, 5th is Grand. SE/NE 39th is César Chavez Blvd (though SE 39th as 39th does exist in Milwaukie). Further out on the grid, it starts to get hit and miss because the grid starts switching to the suburban style, so the street after SE 171st Ave could easily be 174th with no instance of 173rd occurring. Likewise, that far out, the grid starts overlapping with the suburb's grids -- SE 190th Ave, SE 202nd Ave/Birdsdale Ave, Gresham named avenues, SE Wallula (212th Ave), etc...
the major arteries at that point maintain a dual identity with Portland's numbered avenues and Gresham's named avenues (223rd/Eastman, 242nd/Hogan, 257th/Kane) and eventually sortof return to the Portland grid... out to 502nd Ave; the address grid stays constant that far east -- out to 750xx on the road continuing past I-84's exit 35 with OR 100/Hist US 30; 650xx-675xx in Welches on US 26.
The westside has a collision between the Portland numbered avenues and Hillsboro's, leading to amusing instances of SW 234th Ave, SE 67th Ave, SW 240th, SE 62nd and into exclusive Hillsboro numbers into downtown... and then SW 308th Ave.
The highest address I've found out that was was a 40xxx.
My town's numbered streets grid starts at 7th Avenue and go to 21st Ave...in the middle of town.
Could have sworn I posted here, but it must have been on a similar thread.
Bellingham's only numbered streets are mostly in old Fairhaven, although the grid does continue east from there. The grid starts at 4th Street, then 6th, then 8th. From 8th through 48th, they all exist, but once you get past 24th, it's difficult to near impossible to find a cross street that intersects more than a couple of them in a row.
Quote from: usends on January 02, 2012, 12:51:04 PM
Does anyone know of a town that intentionally skipped 13th Street?
San Francisco CA renamed 13th Avenue to Funston Ave. There is still a 13th Street though, mostly underneath the US 101 Central Fwy.
Quote from: Brendan on January 01, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 01, 2012, 05:44:46 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on December 31, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
The city of Chicago's current lowest number is 8th St. 10th St, 12th St and 22nd St don't exist anymore. 10th never existed. 12th is now Roosevelt Rd and 22nd is now Cermak Rd. 39th St is also called Pershing Rd but still is locally refered to as 39th. Same with 55th St (Garfield Blvd) and 63rd St (Marquette Blvd). Here is a historical map of Chicago in 1910. Notice that 8th, 9th, and 11th have different names on the historical map. http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6-1910-R3-N.html
22nd does very much exist. Outside the city, we don't use the name "Cermak", and 55th and 63rd are very much in use.
Marquette Rd is more like a route - it traversed 66th and 67th streets and is signed as Marquette Rd on both. 55th is signed Garfield only between MLK and Western; the rest in the city is signed as 55th. We always called it 55th because that is what is was by us. Marquette was called Marquette. Pershing was called 39th or Pershing. Probably because on the south side, we were accustomed to numbers on E-W streets unlike the north side.
Brendan
Chicago also has streets named 'Avenue B' though 'Avenue O'. What would be 'Avenue A' is called 'State Line Rd'. Also, part of 'Avenue K' is called 'Ewing Ave'.
Mike
Most numbered street systems are reliant on the cross-streets' addresses, so that's why municipalities may start with high numbers since their city centers may have street names where the lower numbers would be.
We used to live in Herrin, Illinois, where north-south streets are numbered. The numbers increase from east to west, rather than outward from a central line; the main drag, called Park Ave, is essentially 15th Street. There are no numbered streets east of 3rd Street. In fact, what could have been called 2nd Street, in a newer neighborhood near our house, was instead called Legacy Drive, and an even newer neighborhood east of there used royal-themed street names. It was interesting to give people directions to our house, as it was a little complicated:
Turn right on Stotlar.
Look for numbered streets; they will increase as you drive, but they don't start with 1st Street.
The only two you will actually see are 4th and 5th Streets.
We live on 6th Street, but there's no sign for it: it's the one after 4th and 5th.
When my dad visited, he was driving so slowly, in order to not miss our street, that people behind him were none too happy.
Brooklyn has numbered avenues, but in Bay Ridge the streets that would be 1st Avenue and 2d Avenue are named Colonial Road and Ridge Boulevard instead. The first numbered avenue in that area is therefore 3d Avenue, well-known for all its restaurants and pubs. Ridge Boulevard connects to 2d Avenue where it passes under the Belt Parkway, but 1st Avenue and Colonial Road do not connect. They may have at some time in the past, but railroad tracks now use part of the right-of-way between the two streets. 1st Avenue is in an industrial area near the docks and doesn't really go anywhere at either end. My mother grew up in Bay Ridge and she says my grandfather used to take her to 1st Avenue when he was teaching her to drive. He died many years ago, but I seem to recall him saying that the different names in Bay Ridge were intended to make the streets sound more appealing as places to live. I suppose that's not totally implausible given that the neighborhood was originally named "Yellow Hook" but was renamed in the mid-1800s after a yellow fever outbreak.
Quote from: Bickendan on March 25, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
Portland doesn't have SW/NW 7th Ave (it's Broadway) or SW 8th (SW Park). SE/NE 4th is MLK, 5th is Grand. SE/NE 39th is César Chavez Blvd (though SE 39th as 39th does exist in Milwaukie). Further out on the grid, it starts to get hit and miss because the grid starts switching to the suburban style, so the street after SE 171st Ave could easily be 174th with no instance of 173rd occurring. Likewise, that far out, the grid starts overlapping with the suburb's grids -- SE 190th Ave, SE 202nd Ave/Birdsdale Ave, Gresham named avenues, SE Wallula (212th Ave), etc...
the major arteries at that point maintain a dual identity with Portland's numbered avenues and Gresham's named avenues (223rd/Eastman, 242nd/Hogan, 257th/Kane) and eventually sortof return to the Portland grid... out to 502nd Ave; the address grid stays constant that far east -- out to 750xx on the road continuing past I-84's exit 35 with OR 100/Hist US 30; 650xx-675xx in Welches on US 26.
The westside has a collision between the Portland numbered avenues and Hillsboro's, leading to amusing instances of SW 234th Ave, SE 67th Ave, SW 240th, SE 62nd and into exclusive Hillsboro numbers into downtown... and then SW 308th Ave.
The highest address I've found out that was was a 40xxx.
What's really interesting is when the Portland grid meets the downtown Gresham grid, for instance, the corner of SE 182nd Ave & NW 1st St. SE numbered N/S avenues (main Portland grid) & NW/SW numbered E/W streets (Gresham grid). This mainly occurs south of Division St, with Powell Blvd being the N/S divider for Gresham (thru most of Portland it forms the 3500 SE block, but is curvy thru E Portland, east of I-205).
In Garden Grove, CA, there are 6th-9th Streets. These are the only numbered streets in the area, and what it looks like is that these correspond to the 6th-9th blocks east of Main St, north of Garden Grove Blvd (with 9th St continuing north into Anaheim).
Edison Township, NJ, the township that borders my borough, has a North Eighth Avenue randomly in 1 section of town, only because its a continuation of Highland Park's North 8th Avenue.
Downtown St. Paul MN has a relatively small area with numbered streets. There are no numbers lower than 3rd, and West 7th St. intersects both 6th and 5th Streets, which curve to meet it.
Columbus doesn't have a First St – if it did, it would probably take the place of Neil Ave and/or Whittier St. Going east from there you have Civic Center Dr, Marconi Blvd, 2nd St, Front St, High St (which passes through the "origin"), then the numbered streets continue, with named streets and avenues inserted sporadically between consecutive-numbered streets.
We also have numbered avenues starting with 1st Ave, but they begin considerably north of the origin, so Broad St would be approximately Negative Fifteenth Ave if it were numbered in that series
Indianapolis' numbered streets begin at 9th and continue northward to 296th in Hamilton County. Once one gets north of the Broad Ripple area, some of the numbered streets don't appear, but they are implied to be in their proper place if the street existed. Once you get into Hamilton County, only the streets that end in a 1 or a 6 appear. The first eight streets though would be some of the original street-named streets that were plated out with the city in 1825 (Ohio, New York, Michigan, Vermont and North) plus a few others. What I'm not entirely sure about is whether the numbered streets (since the addresses correlate with them, such as 1000 N. Meridan being at 10th Street) are based off Washington Street (where the addressing system is based off of) or Market Street (which if you count the blocks from 10th Street southward would be the 0 Street in the grid.
Denver has two sets of numbered streets, most of the grid is on a standard N/S/E/W pattern, with the E/W streets north of Ellsworth Ave (the zero line) being numbered avenues corresponding with the block numbers north of Ellsworth (except Colfax Ave, which would be 15th Ave, but was renamed for Ulysses S Grant's vice president, Schuyler Colfax).
However, downtown runs on a diagonal from the main grid, based on the confluence of Cherry Creek and the South Platte River. The streets that trend NW/SE are numbered streets, with the first one remaining being 4th St. Some of the numbers get skipped between 4th & 13th because they are located on the Auraria Campus (UC-Denver/Metro State College/CC of Denver), and the original 1st-3rd probably got eliminated with the construction of the Colfax Viaduct and the interchange between Colfax, Auraria Pkwy, & I-25.